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  • George

    One of the actions that was of considerable interest amongst the carnage in Sydney this week was the response by the Australian msm to not broadcast the demands of the terrorist even though it would have been very tempting to do so. This identifies a vast contast with our own msm who have ridiculed our Government’s Countering Terrorist Fighters legislation. I would like to think our msm would act as responsibility should such events occur here. Some how I doubt it.

    • Yes, the Australian media working with the government is something that I don’t think we can reasonably expect to happen here. TV3 and the NZ Herald would be the first to use a situation like that to drive a wedge in.

      • Mags

        I recall years ago, the late Sir Paul Holmes embroiling himself with a man who was on the run with a gun. The chap had rung Sir Paul. He took a bit of flack for it at the time. He mentioned it in one of his books.

  • Jonat

    I don’t know if this has already been shared or posted on Whale Oil before now, but my wife sent this to me yesterday, and it’s well worth watching.

    • Whaleoil ran it as part of a series of posts when we first introduced the “Muslim” problem to our readers. Whaleoil’s stance is that we need to seriously review our immigration policies in light of what we are observing in other parts of the world.

      • Catriona

        Agreed. But I can’t see that happening – infringement of human rights etc. etc. We need to learn the lessons of Britain for example.

        • These are the sorts of issues where you need to hammer at them for years on end, slowly creating a change in public mood.

          I personally have a huge disconnect over this issue where I have yet to meet a single Muslim person in New Zealand that was anything but pleasant, normal and probably someone I would have no problem associating with.

          At the same time, you look what is happening overseas, and you think – “I don’t want that to happen here”.

          The conversations should be happening now, and should continue, until we, as a nation have a clear view as to what we want to achieve.

          The last thing I want is to import the European problems by simply putting it in the too hard basket.

          • dgrogan

            Quite right, Pete. But it’s difficult. We had a discussion in our home this morning, which turned into a heated debate. I see the majority of muslims in our community, as no threat at all – but I see what is happening in Europe also and I fear it. How did this start in Europe? Exactly as it is starting here now in New Zealand.

          • Wheninrome

            The trouble with democracy is that it allows the very thing to happen that it is against.
            Once the tipping point in the makeup of the population arrives (not too distant) then the makeup of your country will change the vote of the people will allow it.
            Once the vote has allowed the makeup of your parliament to change then the rules that govern your country can be changed. Not a bullet fired.
            A democratic country no more.

          • The only lesson I can take away from it is that we have to ensure the numbers are kept down. That means that we start actively discriminating against more Muslim immigrants coming to New Zealand. The ones that are here need to be treated like brothers and sisters, but we can’t allow any critical mass to form where they have a sufficient majority to democratically enforce their needs over the rest of us.

            We let a lot of Dutch in during the 50s. New Zealand didn’t turn into a country full of clog wearing, cheese eating arrogant windmill enthusiasts.

            Our country has benefited from integration of immigrants. I believe it is the willingness to segregate and create enclaves within a host country that is the problem that needs to be addressed. Sadly, that can only be done by addressing the numbers game, because at an individual level you still need to respect people and their basic rights.

          • Wheninrome

            It is the attitude of the immigrant, the reason why they wish to immigrate in the first place.
            Do they believe they are coming to a better place for their family.
            Or, do they wish to create a “home away from home”.
            The English created a home away from home when they came here, they didn’t wish to live in raupo shacks.
            Those going to the USA so many years ago wished to create a similar type of place to that which they had left, they didn’t wish to live as the Native Indian did.
            We now believe our country is how everyone should wish to live, the immigrant may have another view on the matter and see it as a future opportunity.

          • wooted

            As an immigrant from (Dutch East Indies) Indonesia I’d like to think I’ve integrated pretty well. I did my national service, only been on a benefit (DPB) for a short time when my marriage broke up, and as a taxpayer and engineer have made positive contributions to our country.

            My parents decided right from the start that we should become kiwis, and the moment we were naturalised in 1956 was one of the highlights of my growing up.

          • Isherman

            For me, its also where exactly our Muslim migrants come from. For example, up to this point we have had few problems with those from Fiji, Malaysia, Singapore etc, as those places don’t usually have the same history of extremism that you find from those who come from parts of the middle east and africa. That being said its impossible to completely generalise as you will invariably get good and bad almost anywhere. Even within a specific region attitudes and practices can differ, if you take the middle east as an example, Oman is almost exlusively Muslim yet produces very few extremists.

          • That’s a very good point. Thank you for making it.

        • Citizen

          We need to and fast. Not only are Muslims breeding faster, but are a huge drain on welfare in Europe. They’re entitled straight off the boat, and have never paid in. There are returned servicemen sleeping rough in the UK and Europe, their needs unrecognised. Yet the refugees who wish to change the very society that welcomed them in. The society that welcomed them in because they don’t have Sharia laws, the country they wanted to go to…to escape the persecution of sharia….so ironic…one might think they were sent to Europe to change society from within. Where is John Minto over the children killed in Pakistan today?….still standing up for the rights of the Taliban and ISIS?

          • Nechtan

            John Minto and his ilk won’t say a thing because neither Israel or the USA was involved. A weird set of principles John and Russel etc have, a terrorist wannabe gets taken out by a US drone strike and they bleat long and loud, 140 plus children and teachers not a peep.

        • newbarnkiwi

          Maybe a possibility is only allowing the immigration of single individuals not families/extended families. They would then marry locals and integrate more successfully into kiwi life.

    • sarahmw

      and that is how easy it is to take over. one child at a time. Western women are liberated and dont need children to fulfill their lives,now a career does that. Muslim men still control the family. Basically it is a square box religion that controls what you do. Western civilisation moves with the times. Islam is still where it was all those centuries ago. Certain MSM/radio people should watch this video.

  • Reid

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/1-year-from-now-freedom-dies-worldwide/

    Not one delegate made any mention of the fact that every single one of the mad scientists’ predictions about the global warming and consequent planetary doom has failed to happen.

    Notwithstanding record increases in CO2 concentration, global temperature has stubbornly failed to rise at all for 18 years, two months and counting.

    The rate of warming in the 25 years since the first report on the subject in 1990 by the U.N.’s climate panel has been less than half what its useless computer models then predicted….

    • sheppy

      The climate change lot willl never compromise their places at the trough, all that free money and sense of “we’re saving the world” self importance blinkers them to any other reality.

  • Michael

    Horrible news from Pakistan where 132 children have been murdered in cold blood by Taliban aligned terrorists. What was the childrens crime? This has made me angrier than the Sydney siege, send in our SAS and stop these pigs.

    • steve and monique

      Check out Jonats post re Population below

    • They were at a military school.

      As you know, in that part of the world, they see children as soldiers. It is perverse, but if you’re going to put firearms into the hands of kids in the name of your nation’s defence, then it isn’t entirely odd if your enemies see it as a legitimate target.

      Summary: that part of the world, and its ideology, is totally screwed

      • Yellow Admiral

        As far as I can establish, it was not a ‘military school’ in the sense that it taught military, including weapons, practices. It is not unusual for large military establishments, particularly in remote areas, to have schools in or adjacent to the facility for the children of servicemen posted there. The schools are in the main ordinary educational institutions.

        • Isherman

          In fact the majority of the children were the children of civilians, in Pakistan the military are involved in lots of civilian services, they run schools, clinics etc, almost like a side business. You could almost go so far as to say that the Military and the ISI operate as a state within a state.

          • FredFrog

            “You could almost go so far as to say that the Military and the ISI operate as a state within a state.”

            Are you trying to say they don’t?

          • Isherman

            True, could have left ‘almost’ out. And its not just Pakistan either, the military in Egypt and the Rev. Guard in Iran are pretty much the same, as is Hezbollah in Lebanon, who run more effective social services than the central civilian governments.

  • rantykiwi

    I’m not sure why so much public money is being wasted on an inquest into the death of a dropkick. Drunk, doing 120kph in a 50kph zone and knocks a power pole over trapping himself under fallen high voltage lines – it doesn’t take Einstein, or any sort of enqury to find the cause. He’s dead by his own actions and stupidity, end of story.

    The only legal effort that should be put into this idiot’s death is ensuring that his estate pays for the damage he caused.

    • Quinton Hogg

      Ranty, What estate? I very much doubt that there would be one.

    • SlightlyStrange

      Oh yes, the family blaming everyone but their drinking driver.

    • metalnwood

      I suppose it is useful if it happens again by accident with a family in the car and there is a similar situation. I dont think it’s so much for the benefit of the dead guy as it is for understanding why it took so long for future victims.

      • SlightlyStrange

        I can accept that, but I clearly remember at the time that the family were angry and wanted heads to roll with the power company.
        From what I recall of the accident images, the damage was extensive to both the car and the power line / pole, unlikely to be anywhere near as extreme with a “family” in a car unless they are doing similar stupid driving in a residential speed zone.

        Also “His family were outraged, believing he could have been saved if things had been done more quickly”

        • metalnwood

          I agree with the basic part of the post, the guy killed himself, but at some point there will be something similar and it could be because someone takes out a pole avoiding something else, at a relatively normal speed and we find ourselves in the same situation. It’s not unreasonable to ensure that it doesnt take hours to turn off the power if it happens again for whatever reason.

      • Abjv

        Is Vectors network and control room what it should be? How come so long to get the power turned off – didn’t the switch work? Didn’t they know where the switch was? Did they turn the correct switch off but the power then backfed from somewhere else? How come when they had their fire in Penrose recently, that power was tripping off all over Auckland when they tried to backfeed the affected suburbs? Does it come back to when vector threw out a highly proficient ( but expensive) maintenance contractor from Queensland and replaced them with the country bumpkins from Whangarei? There is a big question in here and I suspect it is that question the coroner is going to take time answering.

    • Wheninrome

      So this individual did have some value during his lifetime, he worked and has an estate to leave?

  • kehua

    Hey Jude!!!! simple and delicious, her ginger Shortbread recipe is a must for any of you bakers out there. Just go to search………

    • jude

      I am going to make mine soon! They make a great gift too:)

    • Isherman

      I cook OK, but my Baking leaves a bit to be desired, this Xmas I want to try homemade Brandy Snaps, would happily take any tips anyone might have on those.

      • kehua

        Practice on the GB , ya will not need the BSnaps, trust me.

  • Bart67

    I cannot get my head around all those people who keep claiming that we should distance ourselves from the war on terror. The fact is that this is a war without borders, and when news breaks this morning of Taliban cowards brutally murdering schoolchildren, then we have to take a stand! We are ALL part of the human race. They are ALL our children. Those who perpetrate these vile acts understand nothing but domination and violence, and it is time that the armies of the righteous, both Christian and Moslem, take a stand. How much longer must the human race endure the constant fear of terrorism, enabled by weak leaders who lack the fortitude to act NOW to safeguard the future of all fo us?

    • R&BAvenger

      It used to be called conscientious objection, a PC term for cowardice. Unfortunately, unlike Australia NZ never had the war really come to its shores, like the bombing of Darwin in WW2.
      This is why there is a completely different defence posture and credibility there compared to here.
      The appeasement, conscientious objection, isolationist is strong across the Labour, Greens, Maori Party and Winston First regimes – this is why they remain in opposition.

      • sin-ic

        But we did have a Jap submarine penetrate the anti-submarine barrier in Auckland Harbour and get out during WW2. Also the German mining of the N Z coast in WW1 which sunk the SS Niagara

        • R&BAvenger

          Yes, but all too easily and conveniently forgotten about by the current generation of politicians. With no physical damage and deaths on land to commemorate we have collectively been lulled into a dangerous sense of complacency.
          People are then saying if we participate in action against ISIS, we will become a target forget we are already a target as a nation of infidels.
          Choosing not to act makes us more of a target I think as we are seen as easily coerced by threats. It also makes us a completely different country to that forged by our forebears. In fact a completely lesser country.
          Heaven help us if a coalition of opposition parties ever gets in, on so many fronts.

          • sin-ic

            Amen to that!

        • Albert Lane

          The RMS Niagara went down 29 miles off the NZ coast (out from Bream Head, south of Whangarei) on 19 June 1940. It had a cargo of 8 tons of gold bullion in 585 bars, and the story of the recovery of the gold is detailed in James Taylor’s book “Gold from the Sea”. At least five bars of gold remain undiscovered. The miracle of the sinking is that there were no lives lost.

      • Aucky

        They also have 270 million Indonesians waiting just across the water.

    • Hedgehog

      It’s much easier for these people to through a few dollars to help poverty overseas. It gets them that “feel good” fix, they sipp their morning coffee telling all who will listen how generous and caring they are. Rather than support the eradication of terrorists wanting to plunge the world back in to the dark ages where we are governed by terror. These people think it won’t come to my back yard, but look at Europe, bet they thought the same.

    • Raibert

      I will believe that progress toward an end to the senseless violence perpetrated by Islamic Jihadists is possible when I hear the Muslim religious leaders condemning these acts as non- Muslim or anti the teachings of their God. Unfortunately all we hear is sympathy for the victims accompanied with lots of hand- wringing.
      Also those who emigrate to other countries and fail to assimilate should be able to be returned to their place of origin. It seems many of these acts of violence are carried out by new comers who wish to inflict the types of behaviour that they denounced to get entry. Governments should be very clear on this to protect their citizens.

      • Albert Lane

        So when is something positive going to happen to send a strong message to such people in our midst? I can’t see National doing anything. Or Labour. And certainly not the Greens or Winston or the Maoris. I think that the Conservatives will espouse workable policies at the next election, and that providing they can put up a good leadership team, they might just sneak in and get something done.

        • Raibert

          The Conservatives need a very savvy PR person as well as a good team. Last election it took too long to get to their message and get past the poor image projected on MSM. Like the binding referendum and justice policies, these need more focus from all parties, problem is it would reduce politicians powers.

      • Benoni

        If you hear Muslim leaders condemning these acts as non- Muslim or anti the teachings of their God then they would be apostate or unfaithful Islamic leaders. This violence is straight out obedience to the Koran and the Hadith and is not senseless but a calculated effort to dominate and bring under control all peoples to their own evil way of life..

    • WordWeasel

      Anti nuclear protesting brought French Govt terrorism to our shores. Do the Greens now believe we should have kept out of that “discussion”?

    • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

      Seems to me that instead of facing just soldiers paid to reluctantly be there they have created an army baying for taliban blood. If someone killed my kids/family i would hunt them to the end of the earth. Any torture the CIA meted out would be more pleasurable than the misery i would inflict and they wouldnt be released afterward. Their corpses would be buried covered in pig entrails and my bullets dipped in pigs blood – good luck getting into paradise with a contaminated body.

      • Albert Lane

        The dreadful atrocity in Pakistan will have opened the flood-gates for revenge. The corrupt Pakistanis knew Osama bin Laden was in that house and did nothing. They know that the Taliban use the border areas without being disturbed (except for the odd US drone attacks). They know where the weapons and the ammo and explosives going through Pakistan into Afghanistan come from and do nothing to stop them. And now they are reaping what they have sown. At long last the Pakistanis will be diverted from their hatred of India into doing something about the terrorist scourge that for so long has infested their own country. It’s sad that it’s taken a massacre to tell the Pakistan military that all the bribes they have taken to turn a blind eye to terrorism, have at last bitten them in their backsides.

  • R&BAvenger

    On Breakfast this morning, they are busy (as usual) pushing the opposition’s line of “it wasn’t a terrorist attack, it was a deranged individual. Bail laws need tightening, not terror laws”.
    The government has a duty to ensure the security of the nations, both within it’s borders and externally. In doing this it must ensure defence and security services are prepared for various security threats and the laws of the nation are tailored to enable those services to do their job.
    The kind of line and attitude being pushed by the opposition and their MSM repeaters is very complacent and mainly to score political points, not to look at the bigger picture of national security within the current fluid security situation.
    I compare it with preparedness for natural disasters. people believe it’ll never happen to them, but the Christchurch earthquakes highlighted that it can and does happen. It also highlighted how very complacent some in society are. They are the same people screaming shouting wailing and crying because they have been caught out through their own lack of preparedness, yet they expect ‘the government’ to provide relief and services immediately.
    I for one expect the government to take all necessary and sensible steps to ensure this country’s security and above all, to be prepared. You can bet that if something really bad happened involving fatalities, those same opposition voices would be shrilly condemning the government for ‘doing nothing’.
    This encapsulates totally why people by and large have faith in the current government to do the right thing in relation to security matters. The opposition parties will stay in opposition, it is there that you have the luxury of taking the alternative position and ‘doing nothing’.
    It also underlines why and how far from reality the MSM are and why we must be FREED from their propaganda.

    • peterwn

      I wonder if the commentators in question would be prepared to repeat their comments in Martin Place at lunchtime?

      • axeman

        Don’t be silly that would require having a spine which none of these journalist have. They are as spineless as a Jellyfish

    • Isherman

      Its real simple, if you employ terrorism (as a tactic), then by that definition you are a terrorist. It doesn’t matter if your cause is religious, political or personal, terrorism is a method of action, and not just an ideology in itself. Its perfectly correct to call this an act of terrorism in that sense and they all need to stop trying to dance on the head of a pin.

      • Bluemanning

        Exactly Isherman. If he aligned himself with ISIS and initiated a terrorist act what does that make him in the eyes of the terrorists? The reaction caused by that Sydney man who aligned himself with the terrorists was highly publicised for one man with a gun; so much so, one would have to be naive to think that the terrorists won’t ever attempt a more sophisticated attack in this region aiming for ‘better results in their eyes’ as a follow on tactic.
        To continue to be vigilant, be prepared under good leadership from John Key is wise, and ignore the left MSM who do nothing to help, and instead cause a false sense of security to the ignorant by encouraging doubt and distaste to score political points against our elected government and Prime Minister.

    • ShoreRight

      How about Jack Tame on Seven Sharp last night telling all that they should get along and visit a Mosque to breakdown the barriers of ignorance ……it was laughable, simplistic and patronising!

      • STAG

        This always happens, the newly anointed next great thing in journalism starts to believe their own hype and become insufferably self important and arrogant.

        Like that little twit has any opinions which are valid.

      • Emjay

        Next Jack Tame will be wanting us to go to the next protest to provide support for when they assault police or get pepper sprayed, like the 2012 riots in Martin Place.
        #illriotwithyou

      • Aucky

        Tame is a lefty from way back. He’s set for a longterm career with NZ TV.

    • Benoni

      Monis was a known criminal in both Iran and Australia. He was also a nut-case and like most nut-cases susceptible to propaganda “legitimizing” his criminal urges to kill and harm innocent people. He was not a self motivated (lone-wolf) gunman as the MSM make out. He had bought into the world wide Islamic Jihad idea and was putting it into practice. He used the death of his victims to publicise Islamic Jihad and he died for that cause. He was successful in death in promoting the Islam he believes in. He is likely to be the first of many similar Islamic nut-case killers. Islam produces many such pathological minds.

  • nellie

    I need to get rid of some rabbits. Can anyone suggest a not expensive, non-fire arms license required ‘tool’ to do this with?

    • Ghost

      Some of the higher powered air rifles would be suitable, the ones that aren’t on a license requirement, your local shop should be able to help with this, and use suitable pellets for the job. This does depend on your version of “not expensive”.
      Or depending on where you are, some suitable equipped “Oilers” may volunteer their services.

      • metalnwood

        You should be able to get something new for $600 + optics. 7-800 would do you a lot better. There are cheaper air rifles about but you need to make sure they have enough power to knock it down, you are prob looking at .25 calibre for rabbits.

        edit, oops, meant to reply to OP. anyway, shows how much I know about using them for hunting, I am a target guy. looks like it can be had for less and .22 would be fine.

        • nellie

          That’s probably a bit more than I hoped to spend. But I would want to make sure I had enough grunt to knock them over first time. The range isn’t really much, say 40-80m.

          • STAG

            Sling shot, never used one but hunting and fishing have some very efficient looking ones.

          • Isherman

            Crossman make some good ones with plenty of draw power, used with the lead shot you can get for them they have similar equivalent stopping power of about 550- 600fps .22 air rifle at full stretch. Great fun too.

            Tip: Hold them in the Horizontal position, using the upper most arm to guide sighting. I’ve never lost the love for mine.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Find a couple of guys who want to shoot rabbits and let them on your land for a weekend or two.

    • Spiker
    • Spiker
      • nellie

        I do like the idea of shooting the buggers I must admit. And don’t want the dogs/cat/horses/cattle getting caught up in/wrecking any traps or snares. Same with the poison option.

        • Spiker

          Shooting is best, just trying to think of non gun alternatives for you. Cats are good at keeping populations down.

          • nellie

            The Rag Doll prefers skinks and easier to catch starlings – he doesn’t need to run so much. Not known for their hunting skills unfortunately. One of the dogs is keen on getting them but makes so much noise they’re long gone before she gets there, and then she’s likely to get herself lost in the bush looking for them. She’s not the brightest.

          • Huia

            We live in a Kiwi zone so cats are not an option for us. The gun is.

    • dennis

      I shoot rabbits with a high powered air rifle 177 calibre. It cost $399 including scope. Range is about 35 metres. It struggles much over that then again so does a 22.

      • Reaper

        This is what I use, although mine cost a bit more than that. The cat also gets a few. The dogs aren’t fast enough to catch them, but at least chase them away and keep them out of the vege garden.

    • Spiker

      Long term it might pay to consider getting the firearms license.

    • johnbronkhorst

      Slightly off topic….has the rabbit problem got worse, post the anti fur campaigners?

      • nellie

        For us it seems worse this year. Instead seeing of the odd one I’m now seeing two or three at a time, and closer to the house. Hence my desire to do something about it. We are a semi rural lifestyle block so probably not indicative of the bigger picture though.

        • Huia

          The Matarangi development on the Coromandel is over run with the little blighters. DOC cant do anything as apparently it comes under the environment Waikato umbrella, they wont do anything as its someone elses problem. Matarangi golf club wont do anything as its either DOC or environment Waikato’s problem. Locals cant shoot them as there as houses everywhere, you cant lay poison as there are too many dog and pet owners over there not to mention a tree hugger or three.
          We don’t live there but have a few of our own which we take care of. We can stand on our deck and shoot them as they stick there heads up just to keep them out of the vege garden.

          • nellie

            Yeah I’d imagine our deck would be our shooting platform too.

          • peterwn

            Makes golf more interesting there – at least a rabbit hole in one does not mean a shout at the 19th hole.

        • Albert Lane

          I believe that five rabbits eat as much grass as one sheep.

      • kehua

        Nah, they are nutters and have no effect on anything.

      • Spiker

        Rabbits have had a good season around here, bred like rabbits as they say.

    • kehua

      If you can find the holes , there are pellets on the market that you can drop down the hole , wet with watere and then block the hole with dirt or some other sort of material and the rabbits get gassed. Try Stock firm.

    • Toothbrush76

      Your answer is ferrets Nellie.
      Most of my pocket money in the 1940s came from catching rabbits by ferreting.
      We made our own nets and had “tame” ferrets.
      The system was – find a warren, cover all the holes in the area with the nets and put the ferret down one of the holes.
      If there were rabbits in the warren they would come bolting out and get caught in the nets. Wring the neck or a sharp thump on the head and they were ready for skinning.
      The beauty of this over shooting is that there are no holes in the pelt and no poison if you want food.

    • oldmanNZ

      Air rifle, if your over 16 (or 18 now I think) you need no license.

      Sling Shot, can do but need a bit of practice.

      crossbow, can do but dangerous as the bolt(arrow) can bounce off and hit something else.

  • Curly1952

    I don’t watch the TV particularly in the mornings however my wife has it on and I catch the odd bit so I may be well of the mark here but it sounded like the NZ reporters are pontificating about what the Aussie police and negotiators should have done/didn’t do. I would suggest that the Authorities would have forgotten more that NZ reporters have ever known – What a pack of dropkicks

    • R&BAvenger

      Easy to pontificate and criticise from the comfort of your studio armchair in another country. You’re right, they really are the bottom of the barrel and I try my best to tune them out while tuning in for the weather forecast.
      Only Peter Williams has any credibility in my eyes and he is on far, far too infrequently these days.

    • Andrew Gibson

      They seemed to think it was amusing showing footage of the aussie reporter breaking down on camera.

      Also the coverage of the hostage saying – undrer great stress – Tony Abbott had let them down again was in equally poor taste.

    • Citizen

      In NZ they’d be faux outrage and maybe tears, and “experts” on Campbell live saying they should have shot his trigger finger off! John Minto would be saying this is a clear example of an extrajudicial killing, and blatant islamophobia from the Police.

      • Albert Lane

        Interesting that. John Minto is very quiet at the moment. He’s not protesting at the huge numbers of people being murdered by islamic terrorists in the Middle East. Is he waiting for something really big to happen in the area like Israel shooting down an innocent Hamas drone? Or could it be that he’s already over there, and is wearing one of the black masks with the Arabic inscriptions? So where are you John Minto? And why are you so silent?

    • Spiker

      If just stuck with listening to 2GB right from the start.

  • Citizen

    I see someone has paid a hacker $1000 to shut down the internet site of Thomas Wiktor. A man who spends a lot of time debunking “pallywood productions” These are Palestinian propaganda films, filmed with the complicity of the western press and used as “evidence” of Israeli propaganda. Seems some parts of society need to shut down the debate when it gets hot in the kitchen….

  • Disinfectant

    Should Tourism New Zealand (TNZ) be helping out one sector of the tourism industry and not others. Or should they just be promoting New Zealand.
    TNZ has pumped $3m into “self drive” road trip promotions starting at Christchurch Airport. Self Drive’s are rental car and camper van companies.
    What about the tour operators, taxi operators, scheduled bus services and shuttle services all of who can provide road trips. They have all been excluded.
    Who’s behind all this. Obviously Christchurch Airport along with their many rental car company tenents.

    • ex-JAFA

      More corporate welfare. Government has no business in business. Reduce taxes and superfluous regulations so that all the businesses you mentioned can crack on with doing what they do best – offering transport options to visitors. Tourists (especially with all the review/rating sites around these days) will vote with their wallets.

  • Cadwallader

    I had hoped for a Smalley-free day. I was just in my car listening to the rapidly aging Leighton when on comes a Newstalk magic moment or what ever they’re called with Smalley claiming that the SYD terrorist was a loner and not “radicalized” to the level of ISIS. Question: How would she know? Her vacuous rubbish, without thought or foundation seems to be getting worse by the day. 2014 is the year when Newstalk entered its death throes, how long can it survive?

    • Bryan

      try telling the hostages that it was not a terror attack and that he didn’t really want a ISIS flag

      • R&BAvenger

        Yep, it was a terror attack all right, one of the ‘lone wolf’ type that ISIS have been wanting. Trying to dress it up in the other factors (that are relevant) as a smokescreen in order to attack the government and it’s correct actions in amending current terror legislation, are the actions of the naïve and deluded.

        • Hans

          Austria orders ‘anti-Semitic’ Islamic school closed #IslamicJewHatred. Are we surprised! i guess this will come as a shock to the Greens and Minto – i guess it was just a lone one off school and it will never happen again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • newbarnkiwi

      Altho the terrorist appeared to meet the definitions of ‘loner’, ‘socially marginalised’, ‘in trouble with the law & reckless due to impending judicial punishment’, and (as touted in so many msm articles) ‘mentally unstable’… his actions/chosen methods were still definitive of terrorism. If it smells like a fish & tastes like a fish, why the hell are the media called it a chicken.

    • kloyd0306

      The link between Islam, the Koran and terrorism is undeniable and anyone who cannot or will not acknowledge that connection is either scared or dumb – or both.

      • disqus_XQTYMFVKlf

        Quran

        • Albert Lane

          Your message seems to have become corrupted, and only one word was printed. Are you telling us that you agree or disagree with the comment? I looked up the one word you have printed in my Concise Oxford, and it wasn’t there, so I can’t even guess at what you were going to say.

    • Mark
      • Cadwallader

        The is not what I heard from her later in the morning. She was adamant that the SYD terrorist isn’t a terrorist but a loner not radicalized to the level of ISIS. How would she a clue?

    • What a national treasure we have in RS. She must be remarkably well connected to have information that directly contrasts what the Australian Police, the Australian govt., and any other involved Australian agency has.
      Her talents are vastly under utilised, she should be taken off air immediately and placed somewhere more in keeping with her stupendous abilities.

      • Cadwallader

        Smalleybrain has no respect for accuracy, authenticity or the very few listeners she may still have. All she seeks is a sensational form of what she sees as relevance. (Her relevance!)

        • Albert Lane

          And as much as agree with much of what Leighton Smith says, I despair at the numbers of commercials he allows on his programme. I presume he’s a contractor to the network, and has to make his money from advertising. But the advertising is endless, and Leighton must surely be losing listenership.

          • oldmanNZ

            I dont think Leighton has much say in the commercial rate.
            His slot is a top rating slot, thus everyone wants to advertise in his slot,
            The station only makes money from ads, and its the Ads what pays him, so he not going to complain.

          • Albert Lane

            From one morning’s observation, I reckon the ratio of adverts was about 2/3 of his talkback time (excluding news etc). When he’s away on holiday, the level of advertising is very similar to other hosts. I am not a conspiracy theorist, and the daily Wishart interview is just awful. The fact that he no longer makes any comment about political matters is very obvious and is probably the result of a directive. If you listen to ZB news you will find there is a significant left-leaning to the news items. There is definitely something going on in ZB. However, it is possible that Leighton might be staying on, as he said he’d be changing his introductory theme tune next year. But that might be a red-herring. ZB are changing many of their time slots next year, so it may well be that Leighton may be on his way out. I hope that he won’t be replaced by Harre or Squarkery. Or Goff. Or Brown, but I’m sure that any new host will be a leftie.

          • Aucky

            The word is he’s finishing at the end of next year. Same time as Watson……..one’s a big loss, the other is good riddance.

          • Albert Lane

            This morning he made reference to the pay rates for talkback hosts in Australia, and he said that he was grossly underpaid by comparison.

          • Cadwallader

            He appears to have been told to refrain from political discussion. I winder why? By whom? Is this a result of a change of management?

          • Aucky

            Way too many ads and the advertorials drive me nuts about meals on wheels, Wishart’s revelations and the latest snake oils. Maybe Leighton is having a last minute top up of his super before riding off one last time into the Clevedon sunset.

    • Hans

      I dare Smelly to go to one of the 1000 or more areas in Europe full of Muslims – where even the police and medical staff don’t go unless they have body armour. Or Denmark where between 70 to 100% of the rapes are against European women by Muslims. Or Parramatta the day before the shooting where a Muslim boy drives past a Christian school shouting death to the teachers and children. Or like last year in Sydney a Muslim child was holding up a sign saying behead those that insult Islam.
      And where is the push back – it is estimated that 80% of Muslims are anti-Semitic, so if your gonna throw stones don’t stand in a glass house our Muslim friends.

  • countproperly

    News in NZ herald on the sentencing of one of the defendant of the West Auckland Mosque stoush. The third last para of the story particularly, has left me thinking. Does this wannabe jihadist (so far), has his head so deep in the sand that he really does not know what has happened in Sydney, or are those words of a rebel who thinks that the actions of the lunatic in Sydney was business as usual and nothing out of the ordinary. Whatever it maybe, I am hoping that he does not slip through the gap’s and is not dropped from the list of people on the radar.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11375502

  • Greg M

    I hear that our friends the green party want to begin a “cowmageddon” and cull our dairy herd to reduce emissions.
    Uh Huh. So when they have destroyed our exports, banned roads and cars, big business and everything else on their hit list, who is going to be left to pay for their policy bribes?

    • Curly1952

      Yep, this is the same outfit that said a few months ago when the dairy farmers were having a good payout of around $8.40 that the farmers are “fatcats” and should be paying more tax and when the price started to move down the government should be doing more to help the farmers. What a joke the greens are!! Anything to stay in the press but what they are too thick to comprehend is that they are irrelevant in todays society

  • Yellow Admiral

    Tim Fookes (Newstalk ZB Wellington) has just put the boot into Andrea Vance for her dreadful criticism of the PM in respect of his comments on the Sydney siege. He considered her comments so distasteful he wouldn’t even wrap his fish and chips in the article. Apparently he is getting a lot of supporting feedback.
    His comment can be heard in the Wellington 1115-1130 slot (it should be up in about an hour) at http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-demand/week-on-demand/.

    • Albert Lane

      Well Radio Live certainly reported her comment in their news this morning as if it was the most important thing happening today. Of course there was no comment supporting John Key. The problem with radio and TV newsrooms is that you don’t know who decides what gets onto the news. It would be interesting to find out the political leanings of the biased idiot who made that decision. In some newsrooms, it seems that it’s mandatory to have one item in every news broadcast that criticises the government or John Key in particular.

    • Cowgirl

      I noted the most upvoted comments on her article were the ones slagging her article off. I don’t think she is getting any support except for the usual suspects.

  • kloyd0306

    The giant gas Rip Off continues…………..

    Oil fell to less than $US 60 per barrel yesterday and allowing for the lower value of the NZ dollar since June, the price of oil has fallen close to 40%.

    Meanwhile, in apathetic New Zild, gas prices have fallen a paltry 15%.

    We are being royally screwed by the oil companies.

    We should be paying about $1.40 per litre.

    • ozbob68

      Hmm, does anyone remember “Red Storm Rising” (Tom Clancy novel from the 80s). The then-Soviet Union has a disastrous fire in a large oil refinery, then went to war to get reserves in the middle east, essentially to protect it’s economy. And now Opec is refusing to cut production to prevent the cost of oil dropping, and the West is putting sanctions in place on Russia. Hypothetical question – what if Putin decides to start making military overtures? Isn’t this situation how wars start?

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