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  • George

    As a small child Santa played a major role in my life. He was real, and not only that, I had the evidence.
    On Christmas Eve, Having left a glass of milk and a cookie on the kitchen bench, as was traditional, I would retire early to bed for the sole purpose of making the morning arrived faster.
    Dad, once knowing I was asleep, would put on his gumboots and stroll around his vege garden to ensure there was anough dirt on the soles of his boots so dirty footprints could be applied from the fireplace and the kitchen bench and a return journey from the bench back to the fireplace. The return journey included a liberal sprinkling of cookle crumbs on the floor.
    When we assembled early on Christmas morning my mother would go through her protestations about “wishing Santa would wipe his boots before he entered the house, and as I had recieved most of the presents I had the job of sweeping up the dirt and crumbs.” It was my privilege, and that dirt and those crumbs were put into a jar and sat on my bedside table for the rest of the year. There was no doubt Santa was real. I had the indisputable evidence.

    • Grocersgirl

      That is a cool story and someone creative could make a picture story book about it.

    • 1951

      George, when Santa came here last year he left snowy footprints on the tiles just inside the door. I think he has learnt tat he must take the boots off before walking on the carpet. I would ask my favourite 5yr old if he remembers, but sadly he is waiting for Santa in Melbourne now :(

    • MaryLou

      In our house it’s the blinkin raindeer leaving their droppings all over the deck and fireplace – along with half-eaten carrots. If you look closely the droppings resemble raisins to a remarkable degree – but no one ever does!

      • Albert Lane

        We used to put a bottle of beer for Santa and some carrots for the reindeer by the fireplace before we went to bed. When we woke in the morning, the beer bottle would be empty and the carrots all gone. That is indisputable proof that Santa had visited. Oh. I also meant to say about all the presents he would leave. How he managed to get everybody’s presents in one sleigh really bothered me, but as I was never awake when he arrived, I have no idea how he did it.

    • mommadog

      Thanks for the memories that came with reading your post. After we were in bed asleep my Dad would drag the back of his gumboot (with foot inside) along the ground on the front lawn in two straight rows a couple of feet apart to make it look like that is where the sleigh landed and horse poo became Reindeer poo. And there was always the biscuit and milk left out inside. One year Santa left a swing set for us. I learned years later that the neighbour helped Dad put it together by torchlight after we were in bed that year. Took a couple of hours but according to my parents our reaction on finding it in the morning was priceless. Sure had my sister and I convinced for many years until we got to the Santa didn’t exist age.

    • Huia

      That was lovely George, we had the same thing and did the same thing for our kids along with some cotton wool stuck to the glass of milk. I had a horse when I was a kid and dad used to walk it around on the lawn so we could see the reindeer hoof prints, never did put it together for many years. Didn’t know Reindeer were shod.

    • Cadwallader

      You mean, you mean he’s not real?

      • Chris EM

        That seems to be the general consensus among the previous posters, but don’t believe everything you read here.
        It is the internet after all.

        • Cadwallader

          What’s written here generally has far more credibility than most other spots on the net. Hang on…there’s the Stranded?

    • Sunshine

      Love it. I enjoy the magic of Christmas and took great delight in keeping the wonder alive for my children as long as possible. Many a time I have chomped carrots and left half eaten ones by the slurped water bowl, then trampled the grass and left sheep droppings (as reindeer poo). Christmas morning the excitement over the evidence of Santa and his reindeer visiting our house was priceless. I have also kept the lovely thank you letters to Santa written by my youngest child – they are very cute with lots of pictures, good wishes and thanks to Santa for being so generous.

  • jcpry

    There are a few holes in Bernard Hickeys article in the Horrid today.
    Firstly the Australian economy is not recovering. Secondly where is the analysis of the falling unemployment rate and the projected strong growth. Clearly a non believer.
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11377411

    • conwaycaptain

      Clicked on this article and a small box came up on the screen
      The Herald wants to track your location!!! And the buggers complain about the SIS and GCSB!!!

      • Cadwallader

        C’mon Captain you know better than to wallow in the Herald’s nasties. The water’s warmer, fresher and better for you right here!

        • conwaycaptain

          Bloody hypocritical bastards

          When will we be FREED

          • Cadwallader

            I hope by the time we all return form summer holidays. Then 2014 can be relegated to the year of msm filth that it was.

    • Cadwallader

      Bernard “Your House Will Lose 30% In Value” Hickey is a believer, a believer in envy ridden socialism!

      • Skydog

        When I purchased my first house in 2007 or not long afterwards he was saying there will be a correction loss of 30%. If I had listened to him, I would’ve never got on the property ladder and wouldn’t have been fortunate to ‘on paper’ have my capital gains. Calling Bernard a economist, is like calling the Pope a Protestant.

        • Cadwallader

          He was still banging on about a definite (not a possible) loss of 30% in 2008.

    • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

      He is number one left winger….along with my uncle Ganesh Nana – where is he any way?

    • Second time around

      I’m surprised you read his column- bland, ill informed twaddle predicting doom and gloom at every hit, sour that Bill English doesn’t seem to read it. The bank economists are more reliable commentators, as it is their employers that would have to bear the cost of any collapse in the dairy or housing sectors. They seem happy. As an amateur, I see low inflation, low interest rates, an historically highish NZ$, rising employee skills and no CGT as incentives for investment and economic growth, offset by planning restrictions and inability to deduct building depreciation from taxation, and the distant but possible threat that Russel Norman could become finance minister in 2017.

      • jcpry

        Waiting for a boat to go to Hamilton Island, to catch a plane to Sydney to get another home to Auckland =I’ll read anything.
        However maple bacon for breakfast looking out over the Whitsundays was a good start. A

    • Skydog

      Thanks for that link. If that’s all Bernard can come up with especially with all the good news out there, as a teenager would say “Bernard, it must suck being you”.

      With an attitude like that, I’m sure the family at the Hickey’s address are really looking forward to having Dad at home this Christmas especially with all that Christmas cheer, positivity, optimism, he seems to have.

  • conwaycaptain

    I see Lyin’ Len’s House is for sale Wonder why they need somewhere smaller???

    • jcpry

      He’ll just be moving closer to the rail link.

      • Lemuzz

        May be the rates bill is to high.

      • OneTrack

        Yeah. Right.

    • metalnwood

      Yes, fairly transparent what the next move will be if you ask me. How about a house each.

    • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

      As long as he doesn’t buy another house on the Super City tab, I don’t care….

    • Jafarma

      Spent all his money on loose women and lawyers and can’t afford his rates?

    • steve and monique

      All we hope is, he stays in Auckland. The rest of the country does not want this kind of fellow moving in.

      • GoingRight

        I think all his overseas trips to Asia this year have included “house hunting” so he can run away and hide once he is seriously defeated in the next elections if he even stands. Pretty sure that would be just for him but with room for visitors of the night!

        • steve and monique

          A house of what description.

          • Cadwallader

            “Welcome To The House Of Many Secret Bathrooms!”

        • OneTrack

          He’ll stand.

      • OneTrack

        Nah. He has heard there is a big new trough opening soon in Wellington so is making an early bid.

    • KGB

      Mrs Lying Len sick of being NZ’s Hilary Clinton?

    • Wheninrome

      Small house for one springs to mind.

    • Platinum Fox

      Red Len probably realises that with rates equalisation coming like a runaway train they will be looking at a huge increase on the current rates bill of $3693.76 on that property. If its new council value was close to the $1.75m asking price quoted on The Horrid the equalisation increase would be about 67%. You’d think the property wouldn’t have been undervalued by the council’s experts, but actually its 2014 CV is shown on AC’s website as $1.3m.

  • metalnwood

    I made a comment on this article at the herald yesterday http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11377064

    Another story about the hero parents going to the auckland city mission. Its a bit annoying that they open it up to comments and you take the time to make one but not a single comment was published.

    I guess the comments didnt fit their narrative.

    • LesleyNZ

      It is becoming a common practise – especially if the majority of comments don’t “fit”.

      • Disinfectant

        Another “Stuff” trick is to hold them until late in the day before putting them up.
        Stuff will also update the story and all the blogs will disappear from the original story.
        Can’t help but think that the Journo’s are using the public to give them all the facts, then they update the story and no-one can go back and say hey we told you that.

    • pisces8284 .

      Stuff are the same, not publishing many comments now and my one didn’t make the cut

    • Reaper

      That photo, taken from that angle, confirms my suspicions that the Herald is just trying to wind people up.

    • Platinum Fox

      I stopped commenting on The Horrid some time ago when I noticed that comments posted over the weekend often weren’t published until Monday at about 10 a.m. That applied across all topics, not just politics.

    • ex-JAFA

      Lots of comments appearing now. Quelle surprise, they all agree with the article. The intertubes must’ve swallowed your and any other dissenting comment.

  • Disinfectant

    Had a disputed debt with ACC. It came about due to the business classification system which is used to determine the amount of levy.
    I wasn’t prepared to pay until it was resolved. In the meantime ACC passes the debt over to EC Credit (strange name for a debt collection agency).
    EC Credit continually pester me, but I continue to refuse to pay and was certainly not about to pay EC Credit.
    Anyway the dispute was settled and I paid ACC direct.
    EC Credit continue to hound me, wanting me to pay them. I point out that I have no contract with them. I advise them to ring their client to confirm that I have paid the debt.
    But they refuse to do so and have now threatened me with posting a bad credit rating. My response was, “do that and I will sue you”.
    This is bizzare, and I have given it a lot of thought.
    I wonder whether EC Credit has bought the Debt from ACC and won’t now get anything as I have paid ACC direct.
    And they are mightily miffed about it.

    • metalnwood

      Maybe I am going off bad information but I thought if there was a dispute over the amount owed it could not go to a collection agency.

    • Reaper

      I would be interested in hearing others’ answers to this. We are currently paying EC and ACC by direct credit every week, yet we get a weekly letter (every Thursday) claiming that we are not – despite the payment having the correct reference number and I have checked this multiple times. They actually phoned hubby last week and when he told them this the woman advised him to cancel the transaction. He is a builder, so the debt is not insubstantial. The only time in his life (so far – touching wood here) he has had to use their services would have made extracting blood from a stone look easy. They need to get their accounting system in order, obviously.

    • peterwn

      Put the heat on ACC – they engaged EC Credit. On the other hand if the legislative scheme coupled with the specific facts of your case required you to pay the amount pending resolution of the dispute, then ACC could have been justified in passing the debt to EC Credit and EC Credit could still be entitled to its collection fee. After all ACC did finally prevail.

    • Ratchette

      Had similar experience some years ago. I owed ACC approximately $160. I could have paid what I actually owed, but would still receive demands for the balance. Each August/September ACC would send me a bill for over $700. (Wrong classification, ACC’s error which they just would not correct) Eventually a debt collection agency became involved.
      Throughout the whole episode I wrote letters & sent a fax’s direct to the person/s (name) at both ACC & debt collection agency who was dealing with the account stating I was not refusing to pay what I owed, but required an invoice for the correct amount. (never email or speak to anyone by phone)
      Each year I replied referring to previous correspondence.
      Suggest you take similar action. Find a name at EC Credit and write a brief letter (make it an easy read) You could even post it recorded delivery – then send a copy by fax to that person. A fax will give that person a hard copy. An email will most likely get buried in their in box. Keep you own hard copies in a file. Each time you receive correspondence from EC Credit, write/fax a reply referring to previous correspondence, dates etc. (at this stage do not send copies) By keeping a file it makes it very easy to involve senior managers who will not be too pleased. Send to NZ offices, copies to senior people at HO which I guess could be overseas.
      To summarize, always get a name. Never phone, if you receive a phone call from EC Credit, confirm conversation in writing immediately .. post & fax. Should EC Credit give you a bad credit rating the next course of action is TV Fair Go. With your hard copy records, Fair Go will love you.

    • Huia

      I had an experience of my own many years ago with the Farmers Trading Company, having owned business’s I’ve always kept books for home spending. I got miffed when I received an amount outstanding from their accounts department. I duly replied and photocopied the receipt I had for that amount which Id paid two months beforehand and sent it to them.
      Then it started: every month I would receive the account outstanding with the big red finger pointing at the amount and threatening legal action so I replied to each one with the receipt number plus a photocopy of the receipt. I felt after 9 of these I would write directly to the head accountant which I did, I got a note saying he said he would take action at that end.
      He did.
      A Tauranga Bay Corp employee turned up in the wilds of Coromandel to get the Farmers trading Co’s outstanding money from me. I got out my files and showed him the receipt and copied monthly correspondence, he was very embarrassed and apologetic. I ended up making him some lunch and he departed with more photocopies of everything.
      I never heard anything more for about 5 months so thought it was over then Farmers wrote to me saying they were now handing the so called debt to Bay Corp.
      I hand wrote a very long letter to the managing director of Farmers explaining what had happened I expected a letter of apology back and not to hear from them again. I put the letter in a pink envelope with hearts all over the front and sprayed perfume inside the envelope along with my cut up farmers card, then wrote PERSONAL surrounded by little kisses all over the envelope and sent it off.
      Never heard another thing from the FArmers or their managing director.

    • Cadwallader

      You have handled this correctly imho. If EC knowingly post a bad credit report on you, sue the pricks! I had a scrap with ACC in the 1990s about the time Jenny Shipley’s government opened them up to competition (in itself this turned out to be a bit of a rort too) as I refused to pay the tail of my levies given I had obtained alternative cover. I filed against a threatening debt collector in about 1998 and they soon stopped “contacting” me.

  • Hans

    Has already been posted but please share with your friends, Children radicalised in Sydney https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYVNDSRhdtk

    • 1951

      This should be seen by the public so as to bring pressure on the moderates to inform authorities of anything similar happening here. Make them take responsibility.

    • intelligentes candida diva

      I was just reading this link and thought maybe there is a breaking through as murmurings of dis satisfaction surface within, and ground troops being deployed to hunt them down.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2881633/SAS-hit-squad-sent-Iraq-hunt-ISIS-jihadists-militants-started-learning-avoid-air-strikes.html

      However watching that video, it is disturbing (but then what isnt with them.)

      I hope Aus social services are given power within their child protective legislation to deal with the children as the poisonous seed sown from afar has grown and in some ways has succeeded as children are being raised to hate.

    • Cadwallader

      Gabrielle Upton is a stupid tart. She has concerns about the 4 young boys, ahem: What about having concerns about Australian society? Typical mindless public servant holding down a non-job!

      • intelligentes candida diva

        Where is the future of Australia or any country if not with children ..at the feet of current adults?

        While I think I understand one of your point > dealing to the adults? If so I do agree, although I believe the emphasis of the video was about children.

        As for GB being a tart and mindless why do you make that comment?

        • Cadwallader

          I have had a problem with Ms Upton for quite a few years. We are both Australians and both hold similar degrees from the same Australian institution. Despite her being a lawyer she was a politician from early days, at least and very much by, inclination. Her role in the NSW state government evinces the twisted morality of all politicians when facing an enemy. The issue here is that the 4 children in the video have parents. It is not the government’s role to “save” them but to strive after the peace, order and good governance of the State of NSW and the entire Commonwealth of Australia and its citizens. If we disagree with the conduct exhibited in the video, and in my opinion we should, then deal to the savage stone-age fathers. Other than that, her role in this frightening behaviour is, and ought to be negligible. I feel confident that Ms Upton’s comments are mindless when this is a law and order matter and not a time to carve into individual families. Sorry if I offend you but interfering politicians of all stripes render me antagonistic.Happy non-Islamic festive season!

          • intelligentes candida diva

            Im not offended at all I enjoy learning from other perspectives.
            Thank you for your explanation.
            I do agree but if the radicalisation is burgeoning on coercive abuse to the children then there is a role for child protective agents.

    • Kiwi David

      No worries they have ‘Sadaqah’. “Sadaqah extinguishes sins like water extinguishes fire”. Which is “charity”, so if you sin just hand over some money to a Muslim “charity” and you are good to go. Although if chopping the head off infidels and marrying your first cousin is encouraged I’m not sure what a sin would involve?

      • MaryLou

        If you’re a woman, it’s showing your ankles. Not sure about men, though.

  • Mark

    So I caught an advt on TV for X Factor NZ Season Two,thought woah that Judge on the bike looks to have a touch of the crazy! So I goggled & this came up;

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11366894

    “Kills put Spy straight on the various rumours – saying it
    wasn’t true that she had set an ex-boyfriend’s car on fire … but that
    she did try and burn down his flat!
    “I tried (and wasn’t
    successful) to burn the house down after a big fight, with both him and
    me in it. I was a wild-child teenager, a poster child of ‘do not try
    this at home!’ Ha-ha.
    “I’m not really the killing type. I’m more
    an, ‘I’m going to make your life a living hell’ kinda gal. Ha-ha, Joking
    … not joking.”

    Impertinent question time? I wonder how long such a judge would last if it had been a man doing this to his girlfriend

    • Wallace Westland

      Ah yes the ol’ double standard. It is a well known fact that 50% of domestic violence is committed by women. The social services are well aware of the statistic but hide and deny it at every opportunity. (My ex was a social worker and probation officer and told me…she would also turn out to be a practitioner!)
      Far more money is doled out if we continue to ignore the facts and blame men for everything. And plenty of apologists like Cunliffe to ensure it is.

  • JJ

    I see Sven Teske, a lead author on the renewable energy IPCC working group 3 report that wrote Greenpeace’s claims into the report, may have been one of the Nazca vandals . http://climateaudit.org/2014/12/20/ipcc-lead-author-and-the-nazca-vandalism/

  • kloyd0306

    Can anyone explain why unleaded 91 is $A1.20 in Australia while we are being ripped off at $NZ1.90 per litre.

    • darren breen

      tax

    • Albert Lane

      We paid $1.85 at a Z service station in Rotorua a week ago. We got back to Auckland, and it was $1.95 at our local service station.

    • ozbob68

      “Wastage” from the wharfies

    • Cadwallader

      95 octane is $1.90 in Palmy today.

  • Blue Tim

    So who has Mike Sabin upset? I see there’s a hatchet being sharpened on Stuff

    • Aucky

      Sabin tends to call a spade a bloody shovel so he’s always highly likely to upset the luvvies over at Stuff.

      • Cadwallader

        I don’t know much about him, but National needs to be the testosterone party as Lab/Greens surely fail on that score!

  • intelligentes candida diva

    Hope springs eternal……been feeling overwhelmed and a tiny bit sorry for myself lieing in bed reading WOBH (& making the odd comment of course), son brings me poached egg on toast, fried tomato, ham steak with fresh fried pineapple…..
    I went to hairdresser n beautician yesterday first time in so long, my friend text me asking if I felt “special” I said “no” because people make us feel special, I feel special this morning.
    Hoping everyone gets to feel special over this festive season

    • MaryLou

      Can I ask how many years you had to wait to get this kind of breakfast delivered by your wonderful progeny? I’ve been waiting 14 years so far, and at this rate I’ll be waiting another 14!

      • intelligentes candida diva

        This quality of breakfast was a work in progress :-)

        He is a male of few words but random acts of kindness so easily build love credits

        • MaryLou

          Ah well, I guess I’ve got the underlying ingredients then, and patience is a virtue.

          Well done on raising a son both capable and thoughtful enough to now be reaping such rewards!

    • dgrogan

      You have a #1 Son there, Diva.

  • caochladh

    I wonder how many rapists, pedophiles et al would have an epiphany and find god if the official religion of the prison establishment was Skoptsy?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skoptsy

    • Cadwallader

      I just need to listen to Pam Corkery and it happens to me without effort. Looking at Highly Scary has a similar dividend.

  • Aucky

    Martin Crowe is in a bad way. He was a NZ cricketing giant of his time and much loved in his adopted county of Somerset. I hope that they remember him in the New Years Honours.

  • Fanny_Schmelar

    Now that WOBH is mainstream, how do we now refer to the old MSM??

    • MaryLou

      History.

      • Cadwallader

        Exactly and I never use capitals to describe it.

  • ozbob68

    So, I was wandering down Cuba Street this afternoon, and I went into “Graphic”, a comic book store to see if they had any Batman or Judge Dredd (love the fascistic humour) and on display just inside is a t-shirt saying “I AM RAWSHARK” with a note attached saying all proceeds go towards supporting “you-know-who”. So, when the odious hacker finally gets charged, will they themselves be guilty of a criminal act in supporting him?

    PS. Needless to say I did not purchase anything there.

    • intelligentes candida diva

      I knew of an elderly person who had a 3 boxes of Batman comics dating back decades, with price sticker on and in such wonderful condition. I urged that person and family to explord options before discarding. I dont know what happened to them but I always thought at least 3 to 5 framed would look great in a boys room

      Rawshark and Batman good irony there ozbo68

    • Cadwallader

      I have always preferred Uncle Scrooge McDuck as he has all the qualities Labour types would disdain.

  • Kiwi David

    If I may, let me lighten the mood a tad. Here’s another quote from the book The (Hilarious!) Cameron Letters. To Cunliffe congratulating him on his appointment as Labour Leader-

    “Shearer, as Labour Leader, was what Rheineck is to the NZ beer connoisseur – constantly on sale, characterless, weak and unappealing. So you shouldn’t go wrong really.”

    Cunliffe replies with a generic letter but adds, (in his own handwriting)-

    “Keep in touch!”

  • Herbert Charles

    For all those having Sons of Anarchy withdrawals.

    • dgrogan

      How practical. If you look at the bike on the round-about, you’ll appreciate that the bike in the foreground is ideally pimped. The rider can now sit on the top of the goods pile, rather than in front of it. :)

  • Watcher

    I see Cam did not make the Andrea Vance list on Stuff, of the 7 people who influenced politics this year.
    Funny that.

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