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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    callipygian (or callipygean) – Relating to or having buttocks that are considered beautifully proportioned.

    Source : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/callipygian , (English and American pronunciations available here).

    • When on our morning walks and I lag behind Mrs G, I often remark how calipygian she is. She didn’t know what I was referring to until she read WO this morning. Not sure if she’s flattered or offended but she did bring me my toast and marmalade upside down on the plate!!

      • Korau

        Sorry to hear I have been the cause of a toast accident. However, when Mrs G. ruminates further she may realise what a compliment she has received, and you should then expect to receive your toast in the socially accepted fashion.

      • Cadwallader

        If she knew what the word meant you may have got beer for breakfast?

      • dgrogan

        You sweet talker, you. :)

    • Yeahright

      Have you read the book”The Surgeon of Crowthorne”? Excellent book about a crazy man who helped create the Oxford English Dictorary.
      Highly recommend.

  • Ginny

    On one of the pop up ads on this site, there is an avocado with a fried egg. Has anyone tried this?
    On a dating ad, there is a woman who has thighs bigger than her waist. How can that be?
    What ads do you look at and wonder about?

    • 1951

      I think you will still need a piece of bacon with that egg avocado combo.

    • jcpry

      I wouldn’t spoil a fried egg with an avocado or vice versa. Both are great however with a fiery chilli sauce.
      And as for the other one – damned glad I’m happily attached – as that is quite scary.

    • Michelle

      Forget the avo just have bacon and eggs fried in real fat like we used to

      • MaryLou

        That actually worked for me, stopped worrying about the fat, but cut out refined carbs and sugar. Blood sugar stabilised (which is a real problem for me), was more alert and any excess pounds melted away. Stopped because was worried about cholesterol (also a problem), but seriously thinking about going back to that as haven’t felt as good since

        • Michelle

          some people naturally have high cholesterol but the drug companies want to make money out of a problem that doesn’t exist
          If you do more reading about it you will find plenty of info about it

          If you also look at how we ate before they brought in this cut out animal fats etc now there is an obesity epidemic that was not there before so it makes you wonder just alot of marketing money being made out of these diets at the expense of the publics health

          There was something on here a few weeks back about going back to the old diet we used to have

          butter is so much nicer than marg for starters

          • MaryLou

            That does sound reasonable, and you’re right – my whole family have it, despite both parents being health freaks. Will do some reading!

    • Iva b ginn

      The hell with it!! forget the bran & yogurt I’m off to cook some bacon & eggs and I have a nice big Sharwil in the fridge and some sweet chilli sauce. Hehe.

    • Effluent

      I am intrigued by this as well. maybe I just notice these ads more than the ones for domestic appliances, etc, but it seems that WO medium is seen as qn effective site for getting attention from desperate middle aged men looking for action. Maybe says something about the demographic. I thikn we should be told what’s going on, or Mrs Effluent might think I am one of them.

  • George

    Reported in today’s Herald with reference to viewer’s complaints to the Broadcasting Standards Authority regarding accuracy and fairness, Mark Jennings claims “The job of a journalist is to hold people to account, particularly those with power. Some people don’t understand that or just don’t like it.”
    Well Mark, I think the job of the public is to hold journalist to account, particuarly those who present personal opinion as factual news. Some journalist don’t understand that or just don’t like it.
    You have not been appointed by me and many others to represent our concerns. We can do that independently and let you know through the ballot box. The msm keep getting it wrong and that we do understand and we don’t like it!

    • Hedgehog

      Same with comments, If the Herald have a comment section open, then you should be able to leave a comment. I commented on a piece by Fran O’Sullivan 2 days ago, but no comments are up as yet – can’t be any positive ones. She was rabbiting on about JK and how he was preparing for a post political career. I said I wanted him to stay as PM along with a great many other NZers. She also compared him to Helen Clark, like comparing a business man to a bureaucrat. One gets results and the other talks about getting results.

      • Aucky

        I have given up commenting at the Herald. It will just end up driving you nuts Hedgehog. They have their little cadre of embittered regulars who regardless of the subject at hand blame the PM and it’s just a pointless exercise trying to engage them.

        The Herald obviously does not have the resource to moderate comments at the weekend anyway so the whole exercise is pointless.
        There’s always that nagging suspicion too that the moderating is not impartial. Stick to WOBH – we might not always agree with the posts but at least we can debate them openly in an intelligent forum.

  • conwaycaptain

    I see the NZH is now scraping the bottom of the barrel as they now have du Plessis Allan as a “columnist”.
    Also they had an article on the Gulf states budgets going into deficit owing to the oil price and a photo of oil tanks with a flag in the foreground. It was the Cuban Flag.
    FAIL on both counts

    • Isherman

      Idiots, they might as well have shown a NZ oil terminal with a NZ flag, on the basis that for 2013 we produced more oil than Cuba.
      2013 Cuba: 48340 bbl/day
      2013 NZ: 61150 bbl/day

    • Hedgehog

      I’ve had the misfortune to read some of her work. Complete drivel, but the avid lefty commentators seem to lap her up . She recently wrote a piece about teaching – based on the fact that her mom or gran was a teacher, and that was about the only fact in the whole story. And the so called journalists wonder why Whaleoil is do popular.

      • Andy

        This was ditta de boni

        • Hedgehog

          Oops, you are correct. – My apologies.

    • Aucky

      The NZH now has the same ownership as ZB so Bazza Soper has probably scored her the job through the OBN.

    • Cadwallader

      I wonder whether JK will see it and not read it much like her Christmas Card?

    • Damon Mudgway

      I am of the opinion that H.DPA is actually a lot smarter than we give her credit for, and that her ‘fluff’ is actually her giving kiwis the middle finger.

      Of course, I could be mistaken.

    • ex-JAFA

      Perhaps they thought that Gulf of Mexico states were going into deficit?

  • Lord Evans

    Speaking to a client involved in the security industry he mentioned that the police have the software and hardware loaded into their cars and phones which allows them to read every number plate they happen to pass and automatically alert them to any vehicle ‘of interest’. Might be that your Rego is a few days out, BOOM instant fine sent to you in the mail. If you have ever had a drink driving conviction BOOM, they may decide to stop you. Automated Number Plate Recognition ANPR systems are in use in NZ both by the police and private companies E.g. Car parking buildings. The Police currently are allowed to retain info collected by this system for up to 48 hours.
    Is there any way to combat this? Well I noticed in the course of my business that the font used on Number Plates changed a few years back. Yes, I admit, I am a Font Geek. Do not, ever, ask me to use Papyrus for anything other than a Preschool newsletter, and even this is an insult to Preschools. So if you have a plate more than around 5 years old, chances are that the characters will not be recognised by the software. It’s cheap to upgrade your plates to the latest version, but only do so if you really have to. It’s bad enough that speed cameras gather revenue like Instant Lotto machines, and every photo’s a winner. Now with ANPR, privacy is a thing of the past, and every indiscretion can be automatically punished.

    • cows4me

      Of course the government will claim this technology is for our own good and helps in the fight of terrorism and then there will be others that will shout they have nothing to hide and are all happy with it. Quite frankly the terrorism excuse is pitiful in the extreme, the terrorists have all ready won and we have lost. The real terrorists are our own leaders who allow this revenue gathering technology on the backs of lies like security and law and order . It will all come back to bit us on the arse.

    • Liberty

      With such technology. The Police should be recovering large numbers of stolen cars. or is that data base switched of as it would be inconvenient.
      Easier to persecute peasants driving at 102kmh.

      • cows4me

        It probably checks someones bank account first to make sure they are suitable for finning .

      • Lord Evans

        Police data indicates that 3-4% of vehicles scanned by an ANPR unit are of interest to them. How many cars in a busy supermarket car park? Maybe 500 or 1000. Need to top up the coffers? A few minutes scanning a car park should yield at least $2000 in fines, or as you mention, a stolen vehicle or 2. Of course we want the stolen vehicles recovered, but without the invasion to our privacy thanks very much.

        • Skydog

          A supermarket car park is private property so Police can not give a ticket for a vehicle parked on private property. Before making your above statements, maybe you should find out the facts before scaremongering.

          • Fredd Dagg

            For now they can’t scan private property… but
            – once the cost of the gear comes down until it is trivial to install on every Police Car, and
            – some nutter commits a crime that could have been prevented with the system, and
            – the victim’s lawyer sees an opportunity for a slice of compensation
            – then they will appear in all Police cars, ‘for our own good, those with nothing to fear have nothing to hide’.
            — The revenue gathered as a side effect will be just a co-incidence of ensuring public safety.

            ‘Twas ever thus…

          • Lord Evans

            OK so let’s pretend that the police are not as stupid as you’ve suggested and after scanning the park and discovered some vehicles/ people of interest they setup a checkpoint outside and wait for said vehicles to emerge. As for scaremongering you probably would have said the same thing had someone suggested the speed tolerance would soon be 1km.

          • Citizen

            In the same way that they aren’t allowed to go into a pub car park, mark the tyres of cars in there and wait down the street to nap them.

        • FredFrog

          How exactly is ANPR “an in invasion of your privacy”?

          You obviously have no idea how it works or what it is intended to do. It is a very mature technology, and is used quite extensively overseas to get unroadworthy vehicles off the road and keep known criminals at bay.

          It’s quite simple – if you are not a lawbreaker, you have nothing to fear. I, for one, am happy for the police to have whatever tools they need to make life difficult for scumbags.

          • Lord Evans

            “If you are not a law breaker you have nothing to fear” Sorry FF but you are either naive or stupid. This technology is far from ‘mature’, is rapidly expanding and will become ubiquitous in every police uniform. Yes, built in to the cameras they carry on their person. Facial recognition means you are are increasingly unlikely to have any privacy. Police assurances that they only match against selected databases is true, however the likelihood that more ‘categories’ will be added is certain. I respect the NZ Police force, however they are only human and corruption is an ongoing issue. Power corrupts and there is too much power being given to ‘keep us safe’ from scumbags for my liking.

          • Dave

            Lord, i replied above, but again. they are welcome to scan my plates 5 times a day if it gets one known offender off the roads i use, or out of our neighborhood. That crim they remove from society today, might have been the one to run a red light tonight and take my family or some other innocent out!

            PS: if you want Privacy, be private, stay off the streets, stay out of any shops, including supermarkets or liquor stores as they all have massive security systems. Also, stay out of Service stations as they have amazing video security and some have APNR. I suppose as you want privacy, that means no car, which means walking with a beanie pulled over your head so no one will recognize you. oh wait, now you look like a crim and will be a target again.

          • FredFrog

            Actually, ANPR IS mature technology. It has been around for years.

            And so what if it becomes more widespread. I’m quite happy to have crims taken out of circulation – You are the stupid one.

    • Flawstannum

      Your client is only partly right, just enough to create outrage from people because they get half the story.
      There are a few (less than 15, not sure exactly how many) ANPR cameras in the country, certainly not one in every car.
      They check the plate against a list of known vehicles, not against the MVR to see if rego or WoF have expired. So sorry, no revenue gathering there.
      Your car will be on the list if it is stolen, if you have an outstanding warrant to arrest, are wanted to arrest or interview because of a crime, are a known burglar or car thief, or are a known recidivist drunk/disqualified driver. You won’t be on the list if you have only one or two drink drive convictions.
      It is a tool that allows Police to target known criminals, not your average joe with a (mostly) clean record.
      And font makes no difference, the camera can read any plate

      • Damn, you just ruined what was developing into a really good story.

        • wooted

          yeah, we shouldn’t let facts get in the way of our paranoia.

      • Lord Evans

        I suspected ANPR was not ‘Fully Operational’ just yet, but having observed how things work, my prediction is that given time, the scenarios I’ve described will a soon be a fact of life. The Privacy Commissioner is involved in the rollout of this technology, but due to the threats we face now with Terrorism, any opposition will be swept aside.

        • Flawstannum

          It’s been “operational” for about 5 years now. The cost of putting it in every car is huge, that is why it will never be expanded much beyond what it is now.
          And, unlike a speed camera, it is not gazetted as an enforcement device, nor can it ever be. It can be only be used to indicate that a car is of interest, a Police Officer has to then stop the car to take any enforcement action. Contrary to popular belief, they have far better things to do than stop every car with an expired rego.
          Your car will only be on the list if you are a criminal

          • Dave

            Amen to that. It’s used extensively in Australia, and works well, police have been able to focus on repeat offenders, those on bail, or breaching bail etc etc. An article over here said once a crim is wanted, they can flag any vehicle he or she might have access to, and the rest is up to the ANPR. Brilliant.

        • Dave

          I totally disagree with your points Lord Evans. Frankly, the more number plate recognition the better. I don’t care if they retain my data, know where i have been, and know where the crims are. Oh hold on, they might KNOW where the crims were heading, that’s great! They are police, we shouldn’t be choosing when they are around, you know, “stuff off officer whilst i illegally try out the new Jag or Porsche, but please, where are the police when the hoons are around your street”.

          It works both ways, and if you really think the police have time to follow up on every little indiscretion for normally law abiding citizens, lease think again. This is just another tool, to get the dangerous vehicles / drivers off the road, and catch more crims. I hope they perfect it, have it in all police cars and on all major intersections, it wont bother me or 99% of law abiding citizens.

    • Yeahright

      Don’t drive your stolen car then!
      Like all things the crime is getting caught, don’t do silly things.
      I have no problem with technology if it is making things safer. It’s not as black and white as you say, I have passed lots of police cars doing around 110 and have received no tickets in the mail.

      • Lord Evans

        “The crime is getting caught” yeah right YR so as long as you don’t get caught it’s OK? My point in raising the “might be” of this technology is not because I have something to hide, but because of the power it potentially gives to the police. How many cases of police corruption, at high levels, have come before the courts? This is the tip of the iceberg, and we have a relatively corruption free force too. No doubt the gradual introduction of ANPR type surveillance will be shrouded in “Public Safety” language. A bit like the new zero tolerance speed limit, changing the rules as they go.

        • Yeahright

          There is corruption everywhere, including police, we just have to get on with our lives, people are greedy by nature.
          You will also be surprised how much the police now about you already, I have pushed the boundaries more than most and I am aware that the police know more about me and who my friends are, but at the end of the day they don’t care about the little fish, the ones good at heart, they are after the big fish, or bad at heart.

    • Tom

      So you’re okay with unregistered, unwarranted, or uninsured cars on our roads let alone stolen vehicles. If your vehicle is not up to scratch it SHOULDN”T be on the road.

      • Lord Evans

        No actually I’m not OK with substandard vehicles Tom, but if you apply the same standard of perfection in vehicles to the police officers who have access to this technology, you might get my point.

  • Miguel

    Wife and I met a nice couple who moved here from the Philippines. Young couple, and his parents were here, too. Question we didn’t have the courage to ask was how they qualified to get in. The couple each worked in a supermarket, so hardly filling a desperate need. Not sure what the parents do, so perhaps that’s the trick. Thing is, it seems a piece of cake to get whole families here, but even with my STEM degree, we’ve still got major hoops to jump to move to the US, for example.

    • Wendy

      I have a friend in the same position. He is a surgeon. And while he waits he is working in a soul destroying job. Its ridiculous.

      • Dave

        I managed a large and well known franchise style chain of conveniance stores and service stations in Aussie a while back. Several of our franchisees were well qualified surgeons in their native country, but could not transfer their qualifications to Australia. The Qualifications and medical board sets the bar high for a reason, and if anything cannot be proven beyond any doubt, they fail. One of them, a relatively young man, was working at a franchise at night, and resitting his medical papers by day, just to gain his certificates to practice in Australia. Similar issue for Optometrists, an Optom from some asian countries is under qualified for the Aust / NZ Optometry qualifications, as their qualifications are more like our “Dispensers” qualifications.

  • Nirvana10

    It is clear from the actions of the government and the main opposition parties in Sweden that they are very fearful indeed of the influence of the anti-immigration Sweden Democrat Party which lifted its share of the vote from 5.7% to 12.9% between 2010 and 2014.The media (as does Radio NZ on the news this morning) refer to it as a ‘far right’ party. Given the police no-go areas that have emerged in Sweden and developing tensions within this liberal social ‘paradise’ it will be fascinating to see how things pan out politically in Sweden over the next several years.

    • Michael_l_c

      Fascinating but probably scary as there is no way back.

      How do you integrate large ethnic ‘minorities’ that don’t want to be integrated & have set up their own state within the country? You have to do it at the border. Too little too late. In some ways we can thank the extremists for forcing more people see the problem they previously ignored.

  • Sailor Sam

    Want to make an observation about the NZH – before the election, all left whingers complained that it was right wing.
    I recall lots of comments over John Armstrong, Fran O’Sullivan etc being paid lapdogs of National.
    Seems to me that now it has changed, both the above “commentators” seem to have turned left.
    I call them commentators because they certainly are not journalists.

    • Wallace Westland

      I see the Herald on Sunday bragging about it’s latest left acquisition Heather du Plessis-Allan.
      She’s a huge fan of…wait for it…Peter Dunne nothing in 30 years of troughing.

      Also married to the flag waving Labour supporter Barry Soper.

      Standards? Impartial? Unbiased? Not in NZ media mate!

  • Sailor Sam

    I am also intrigued that Google news has now for more than 24 hours been running an article from “GayNZ” about Tamati Coffey, the failed Labour candidate for Rotorua, opening a coffee shop in that town with his partner Tim.
    Is this more native advertising?

    • Wallace Westland

      Well the liberal JAFA latte set will be bound to love it.
      Do you think Tamati will pay any employees they take on the Living Wage or the Min Wage?


      • MaryLou

        Rostering can be fun in that industry as well. Set hours, or flexible hours?

        Lucky it’s not a bar, then he’d be in a real ethical quagmire.

  • Gaynor

    Hmmmm I bet I know what caused her cardiac arrest!

    A woman suffered a cardiac arrest while riding on a carnival ride at Caroline Bay last night.

    St John ambulance South Island communications advisor Ian Henderson said the 64-year-old woman was unconscious and not breathing when the Hurricane ride stopped. It was not known what caused her medical incident.”


    • 1951

      Oh dear, I went on the chair-o-plane just for old times sake last year. I had such a good time it wouldn’t have mattered if the ticker gave out.

  • Fredd Dagg

    Raglan plane crash… the MSM strikes again. The article ends with, ‘An experienced pilot, who does not wish to be named, says that the Raglan airfield is notoriously difficult.’
    As Raglan airfield is long, wide and reasonable clear approaches, it presents no difficulties for anyone except a beginner… ‘notorious’ it is not.
    Either the reporter is interviewing a typewriter, or has been conned by someone who wants Raglan airfield shut down for their own reasons.
    Once again, makes you wonder at the quality of the reporting in old Granny Herald.

    • Dave

      Worse still, in their story they say the motor cut out. Um, if the motor cut out, what relation does that have with the runway? I’m sure if the pilot had enough height/speed, a narrow coastal track would have looked inviting. Suggest the Horrid repeater sticks to sipping champers in business class for their aviation experience.

      NB: from the limited facts, kudos to the pilot for their actions.

  • mommadog

    This is probably a basic question so apologise in advance but… Is there a way to get rid of getting a Stuff headlines email every morning in my inbox short of changing my email address or redirecting it to the spam folder. It started appearing a week or so ago without me asking for it. I went to the Stuff web site and made sure I have unsubscribed from every thing (twice). I no longer have Stuff as my main page and still this annoying little email appears. While I’m happy to add it to my junk email/spam list I’m curious to see if I have missed something else that I could do.

    • Hardie Martin

      Having the same problem. I want nothing to do with them since their nomination of the weasel for whatever of the year and I want them to know it . It invites you to unsubscribe but there is nowhere that allows you to do it.

      • mommadog

        that was my final “straw” with Stuff as well.

    • Sally

      Difference between right and left.
      Right: Disagree with a business just unsubscribe and make personal decision not to read.
      Left: Call for a boycott, disrupt income and destroy business so no one can read it.

  • Hard1

    Any prominent Kiwis visiting North Korea had better watch out…

    “North Korea has blackmailed dozens, if not hundreds, of politicians, journalists and businessmen after seducing them with female agents, a former elite North Korean politician has revealed.
    In a scheme called “the seed-bearing programme”, high-level visitors to Pyongyang would be sent an attractive consort, only to find out several months later that they have a child in North Korea.
    Politicians would then be blackmailed to pass legislation favouring North Korea or to increase aid. Journalists would be asked to write positive stories and businessmen urged to set up joint ventures with local companies.”

    • Damon Mudgway

      Why would any self respecting businessman want to do business with North Korea in the first place? Similar to asking yourself why would you want to fly to Bali??? Both questions would have you just begging for trouble.

      • Hard1

        Gareth Morgan emerged from a motorcycle trip last year, he and his wife Jo accused the western media of misleading the world about life in North Korea.

        Why indeed.

    • Easy solution: if she’s not your wife, keep it in your pants. And to the potential naysayers, that’s not being old fashioned, it’s being sensible.

  • la la land

    notice barely a mention of dotcom in todays msm stories about the xbox hacking… and one story even managed to mention the ‘finest squad’ angle… They must be realising they bought a MEGA/Dotcom marketing campaign hook line and sinker

    • MaryLou

      Again – you forgot the word “again”. You’d think after the moment of truth they might pause for a moment before publishing…

  • conwaycaptain

    So Tamati Coffee is opening a coffee bar in Rotorua.
    He will have to do some real work for once

    • Damon Mudgway

      No way, Coffee doing coffee?…thats just too cool.

      • Dave

        Perhaps you have just named it, Coffee’s Cafe, or Coffee’s Coffee Whatever he names it, Captain Conway has a very good point, he hasn’t worked ever. In the media, he always had a crew around him to fetch and carry, direct and think for him. As a wannabee MP, his committees always did the thinking. Like the penguins in Madagascar his role has always been to “Smile and wave boys” On tat line, perhaps he call the cafe “Penguins” we smile and wave

  • Sailor Sam

    Native advertising at its worst. It is not news except on Google and a homosexual website.

  • mommadog

    Thanks. There is an unsubscribe option which I went to and I have unchecked everything that I need to, to unsubscribe (and been back to do it a second time in case I messed up the first) but the email comes though regardless. Its like the two are disconnected. Looks like a complaint is in order.