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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    mumpsimus – noun, plural mumpsimuses
    1. adherence to or persistence in an erroneous use of language, memorization, practice, belief, etc., out of habit or obstinacy.
    2. a person who persists in a mistaken expression or practice.

    Source : http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mumpsimus
    Pronunciation at this ur

    • Ginny

      Yep, i know one of those – my sister in law! I am sure this is quite common, not that i am one ;)

      • Korau

        Green voters!

        • Ginny

          I used to call her eccentric, from now on i will call her a mumpsimus.

          • Ratchette

            You’re brave.

        • dgrogan

          ‘Votees’ too I’m thinking.

    • Ratchette

      Here’s another worthy word ……. Some of our extended family have a bit of the filthy lucre stuff. Referred to by some as ‘effluent’
      (New Zuland accint)

  • Carl

    Wow, I know it is the holiday season but who would have thought that the post with the third most comments of the day yesterday was about a lemon dressing recipe. It’s food for thought I guess.

    • There is life beyond politics in a country like ours. Fortunately.

      • Sooty

        Yeah, but some of them arn’t fit to be beneficeries.

    • Sally

      Now, if only SB had given one for leftover ham who knows what might have happened.

    • Chris EM

      I wonder what the recipe of the day will be today. Can’t wait for 3:30!

  • cows4me

    Global sea ice has reach record levels. Arctic ice coverage is nearly identical to those in 1984 and Antarctic sea ice is also pushing above record highs. Of course the lies will have to come thick and fast in early 2015 to counter this inconvenience. When are our politicians going to find a set or are they simply to gutless to admit they have backed a dog. Not one cent of taxpayer money should be put into supporting these snake oil salesmen nor should tax be taken in this lies name.

    • Chris EM

      Most of the people I talk to know this warming/climate change thing is a lie, and I would say that a majority of New Zealanders feel the same. So I don’t know what the government are scared of.
      Hats off to the Oz government for taking a stand against this ruse.

      • T. Akston

        Yes, hats off to the Aussies who know a jumentous scam when they see one, and are big enough to call it for what it is. (With thanks to Korau).

    • steve and monique

      Ice age here we come. Well makes as much sense as global warming.

      • Wheninrome

        Come back sheep all is forgiven, woolly jumpers all round.

    • Imogen B

      Cows for President!

      That last sentence of your C4M needs to be tattooed on the insides of a few politicians eyelids!

    • Ratchette

      Agree. Warming/climate change thing is a lie. But very political.
      For example the ‘Fronch’ would like nothing better to have any excuse to limit or ban our products from the EU to protect their local industries. Especially agricultural products, like froggy pee.

      • cows4me

        Screw the French Ratchette, we are always someones wiping boy. Time to tell the bullies to get stuffed. If the French want to be little bullies it should be pointed how many Kiwi lives were lost fighting over their poxy piece of dirt and this is the thanks we get.

  • steve and monique

    Have a safe, and happy new Year. look forward to seeing what is going to happen here next year.

  • Teletubby

    I realise it is very early days with regard to the cause of the fate of Air Asia Flight 8501 but there do seem to be several similarities to Air France 447. If this does turn out to be another pitot tube related incident there will be some very serious questions to be answered by Air Asia, about their pilot training to deal with inconsistent pitot tube readings, and Airbus about the entire ongoing saga with their pitot tubes. To an extent the pilots and Air France carried the can for Airbus over Air France 447 but at some stage Airbus need to accountable for a part in their planes which they have issued two airworthiness notices over and told all their customers to replace with a different model and then a different brand.

  • LesleyNZ

    I don’t get it. If Justice Graham Panckhurst didn’t really want the knighthood – then don’t accept it. Knighthood misplaced, says retired judge – http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/64560391/knighthood-misplaced-says-retired-judge

    • Aucky

      Lady Panckhurst may have different sentiments.

    • Ilovelife

      He must be a lefty. Really wants it but feels a bit guilty because, you know, we are all equal so has to make a bit of a show of not wanting it

    • Michael_l_c

      Like cullen, vote for them to be done away with but when offered, like a pig at the trough.

      I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

    • The2Game

      Lesley, agreed.

      How much cooler would it be to ‘do a Groucho’ and decline to be a member of any club that might want to accept you!

  • Doc45

    it seems the MSM has decided in its infinite wisdom to relegate the New Years Honours List to a minor event barely worth a mention. I cannot find the full list on any MSM site and on most there is a low grade ranking for one or two recipients.
    Yes, I know its a colonialistic, paternalistic, anti-women, merit-recognising relic from the past (‘quote’) but deliberately downgrading our recognition of many self sacrificing individuals seems churlish and arrogant.
    The list maybe too long and the wrong people may get on it sometimes but I would rather we continued to recognise the efforts of our hard working citizens than pander to the PC, anti-elitism evident in the MSM.

    • Aucky

      Strange isn’t it Doc? Going back just a couple of years it was front page material so where is this lurch to the left emanating from and why? It will be interesting to see the TV news coverage.

    • Wendy
    • Bobb

      The wrong people get on it most times in my opinion. It is invariably full of the politically connected, the old boys/girls network and the obligatory sporting figures. The people who do all the voluntary work and make an unsung difference seldom feature.

      • Doc45

        There are certainly elements of that in every list but there are heap of hard working volunteers who get the recognition they deserve. If there are well deserving individuals who have missed out its the community around them who have failed them. It is not difficult to suggest a suitable recipient and then gather some support for them. I have put several names forward and mustered support for the nomination and in all but one case they have been recognised. It is certainly not a perfect system but overall I believe it works and is fair. I dislike the MSM deciding for themselves that they know best and have pulled the plug on coverage.

    • ex-JAFA

      Until now, I’ve only personally known four people recognised with Queen’s Birthday or New Year honours. That number doubled today. Are they being handed out like lollies, or am I now moving in better circles? (I’m not suggesting any of those I know aren’t deserving – it just struck me that I suddenly know so many more!)

  • All_on_Red

    “FBI agents investigating the Sony Pictures hack were briefed Monday by a security firm that says its research points to laid-off Sony staff, not North Korea, as the perpetrator — another example of the continuing whodunnit blame game around the devastating attack”
    “Researchers from the cyber intelligence company Norse have said their own investigation into the data on the Sony attack doesn’t point to North Korea at all and instead indicates some combination of a disgruntled employee and hackers for piracy groups is at fault.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/fbi-briefed-on-alternate-sony-hack-theory-113866.html#ixzz3NPV8wyXb

  • Well, if you had a to-do list for 2014, this is your last day to knock some items off that list.

    • Sally

      Might just be a bit late to start now. Well never mind there is always another year. At least I will save time making a new list.

  • Barnacles2

    I get so fed up with the negative sentiment published in the MSM. “5 things I hate about Christmas” “the year’s worst movies” etc. sure this is some celebration of the positives, but even then the gloss is taken off with negative, e.g. McCullum’s brilliant season picked apart and ‘how much better he would have been if he didn’t keep wickets’.

    If there is any wonder why everyone mopes around and looks for the negative, then MSM take a bow, you are setting the mood of the country, a positive spin on the news would do wonders for the morale of the country. Instead we get constant sniping and put downs. Time for a change maybe?

    • Cadwallader

      MSM could drag anything down. Another gripe of mine (there are plenty!) is the reference to this time of year as the”silly season.”It is the best time of year….from about 23rd December to 10thJanuary. Love it!

    • kiwihornplayer

      My pet MSM hate featured last week with the annual “wrongfully imprisoned” Christmas appeals for Watson, Ellis, Bain & Co.
      Perhaps
      NZ should run a system where the PM can release or provide pardons on
      generous terms for two or three of our notorious felons on humanitarian
      grounds in keeping with the spirit of Christmas.

  • conwaycaptain

    I see Sally what’s ‘er name has married again. Will he now bail her out???

    • Sally

      Read this and thought what the hectic happened here. Then realised you didn’t mean me!

      • Ratchette

        I bet you’re relieved.

    • Bluemanning

      Will she change her name? Is the new husband’s name as recognizable.

      • Cowgirl

        I wouldn’t expect that she will – it’s her only claim to ‘fame’ after all – and if the Herald article is right in presuming she has done a deal for wedding photos with a woman’s magazine, then clearly she still has the desire to keep securing media exposure for herself. She probably sees it as her professional/brand name now. I just wonder what the new husband will think about it if she continues to use the name of an ex, but then he’s had long enough to know what he’s getting himself into.

        • Carl

          I bet Matthew hopes she does.

        • Ratchette

          All about expo$ure.

    • edee

      Commiserations to the groom.

  • Wendy

    • MaryLou

      Que??

      • Wendy

        Men’s urinal at an aero club.
        Well, it tickled mine.

        • dgrogan

          Ha, ha. Now it makes sense. I was thinking fizz boats and couldn’t quite put it together. Very clever and funny.

        • MaryLou

          Ha! Now I understand. Won’t ask what you were doing in there though, unless you care to disclose?

          • Wendy

            It was sent to me by a friend.
            But I do find myself in the most unlikely of places sometimes.

  • STAG

    About to start Waikaremoana track, nothing quite like getting reacquainted with a long drop. My army days are along way gone.

    • Barnacles2

      We did Waikeremoana too, a few years back at Easter, went counter clockwise so did the bluff last. Fantastic going through the rimu forests and some of the beaches and views are spectacular. Enjoy.

  • All_on_Red

    “The Martin Aircraft Company, based in New Zealand, is now taking deposits for the consumer version of its single-person jet pack”
    “The Martin Jetpack can fly for up to 30 minutes at about 35 mph and cruise at altitudes of up to 3,000 feet, thanks to a proprietary two-stroke V-4 engine that the company developed to deliver the high power-to-weight ratio and steadiness that the design demands. Fly-by-wire assisted-stability controls and an integrated ballistic parachute enhance the jet pack’s ease of use and safety.”
    http://robbreport.com/aviation/future-near-martin-jetpack-begins-taking-deposits#sthash.NbDM17qT.dpuf

  • Wheninrome

    Peter Williams a Knight, what an interesting reward for one such as he. Rewarded for trying to make prisoners life in jail better.
    He failed to get them off so tries to make it better for them in jail.
    Rubbish really. He certainly was involved in the defence of a lot of notorious individuals, up close and personal.

  • Hard1

    “Rugby player injured”. Must be an All Black, right. The rest aren’t ‘real’ rugby players, and shouldn’t be included in any statistical analysis of rugby injuries.

    What a load of bollocks, you say. You don’t have to be an All Black to be included in the Rugby playing fraternity. But when it comes to gangs, our troughing acedemics have come up with a new formula.

    Only patched members count as gang members, according to DR JARROD GILBERT.

    “In the leadup to this year’s election, the then Police Minister Anne Tolley, in launching policy targeting gangs, said that 4000 adult gang members were responsible for 34 per cent of Class A and B drug offences.

    In fact the number was grossly exaggerated. Tolley’s figures not only included the 4000 gang members but also anybody charged alongside a gang member, anybody with a familial tie with a gang member, and for good measure anyone with any connection whatsoever to a gang member. The real figure was 4 per cent.”

    HaHaHa

    • I.M Bach

      Many years ago I guy I used to work with got banged up; he was a life member of a motorcycle club referred to as a gang. I went to visit him so I am a gang associate. My wife and I have been photographed on motorcycle club poker runs, which probably also qualifies us as gang assosiates. We’re such evil people.

      • LabTested

        Did he have to do a crime to get his Patch? Does his ‘Motorcycle Club’ make new prospects do a Crime to get their patch’

        • I.M Bach

          No to both, it was years ago and his club (now defunct) was like most back in the day, a motorcycle club first and foremost. Clubs such as that are very thin on the ground these days.

      • Hard1

        My point is that if you are actively carrying out criminal acts with, for, or on behalf of patched gang members, then it is gang crime.
        The long article by Gilbert essentially downplays gang involvement in drug crime. Which is their main business. Gilbert is out of touch.

        • I.M Bach

          I totally agree on both counts. I have yet to read Jared’s book (his babbling in the press puts me off bothering) but from what I’ve read he is out of touch, yes. So is the msm.

          • Hard1

            Relating to this, from Investigate Magazine, “Business is primarily Auckland-based and a substantial portion of the drug is being imported, readymade from Asia. Making mammoth-dollars out of sales are all of the principal gangs: Headhunters, Black Power, Mongrel Mob, Hell’s Angels, King Cobras, Tribesmen, Highway 61.”
            Dr. Gilbert, a guest writer at Thedailyblog, along with his trougher buddy Newbold think this is all overblown, that the old fellas are winding down and getting out of the core business.
            Tell us all about the supply chain if you know so much after embedding with the gangs for 10 years, Mr Gilbert.

          • Cadwallader

            For some reason Newbold really gets on my wick as the go-to guy for the msm. His primary credential is being a convicted druggie who studied hard while in the slammer. The progressives seem to adore him and crave his opinions on anything close to drugs.

          • Hard1

            He studied hard, had a live-in girlfriend, then later campaigned for single occupant cells. If you have ever seen the documentaries on the police undercover guys, you’ll notice that the cops became real friends with the crims. It wrecked them mentally to have to dob in their mates at the final bust.
            I don’t give any credence to crim huggers. They are not impartial.

          • I.M Bach

            Have you read ‘Under and Alone’? (William Queen.) He actually enjoyed what he was doing….roaring down the freeway at 100mph and so on. Who doesn’t?

          • Hard1

            Haven’t come across that book, IMB. I’ve had my fair share of fun in life, met a few choice characters, none of whom cared about the end result of their drug dealing. To the drug dealer, if you succumb to the drug it’s your own fault.
            As an island nation with access to the most advanced technology we do a pretty pathetic job of stopping illegal drug imports.
            Won’t be long before we have our own version of Faces of Meth.
            Just legalise Marijuana, regulate it and be done with it. Ban all food imports by mail. Check everything else twice. And follow the money. It has to be laundered.
            That’s my take for what it’s worth.

          • I.M Bach

            “Follow the money” is a decades-old method of finding the top block of the pyramid, or so it is told. Even Al Capone couldn’t escape the tax man when he went looking. Your comment re the drug dealer true; they don’t care and some people are more susceptible than others to addiction. I’ve dabbled in all sorts but thanks to a largely non-addictive nature and some wise words from various people I’ve managed to survive, pop out the other side and live a healthy life (in the main). Now, let’s go to work on the liqour magnates shall we?

          • Hard1

            We need the equivalent of RICO in NZ. One currently jailed P dealer spent a fortune on antiques and art in Auckland. The stuff is all slowly being sold off online. Booze, it’s a known quantity, well controlled, so tax each pure alcohol unit at $2 per ml.

          • I.M Bach

            “Booze, it’s a known quantity…” but like any drug it affects different people in different ways. I know plenty of happy drunks but there are some people out there who are not quite like that after a few. Drugs can be a ‘known quantity’ too, that’s why pharmaceuticals are dispensed in certain doses. Legalise pot you say? I don’t have a problem with that but I prefer ecstasy; so let’s sell/tax ‘E’ in measured doses just like alcohol. I have yet to see someone want to punch somebody else’s lights out while on ‘E’.

          • Cadwallader

            Newbold was never a cop though. He is a new age sociologist. The msm seem to hunger after him. How smart is he?

          • Hard1

            Newbold is book smart but more of a clued-up hippie than anything else.
            If he was clever he would notice the trail of devastation in our society caused by Meth. There are no good stories. And there are no good people selling P. Just addicts and psychopaths, some of the latter are very clever at their chosen occupation. You just won’t see them in the media doing deals with the Chinese importers, splitting, cutting, distributing, laundering the millions every week. Nope, they’ll have a boxing gym, helping youth, or even making sandwiches for kids. But they won’t be running detox programs. They leave that to the Sallies and CADS.

          • I.M Bach

            The thing is; to get the real picture you have to be one of the ‘inner circle’ and I can promise you (100%) that no matter what people like Gilbert, Shand, Thompson et al might say in their books they were never (and will never be) truly part of the inner circle. The inner circle almost never talks totally candidly to the media, whether they ride, live, party with them or not.

          • Skydog

            Jared’s book was so boring. Most of it stated the obvious. I read half of it, then returned it to the library.

  • Sailor Sam

    Spending a few weeks in OZ, at present in SE Queensland.
    Been observing motorists behaviour whilst driving around.
    1. Virtually everybody drives at or near the speed limit, so far only got stuck behind one driver doing 60 in a 90 kph zone.
    2. Trucks, cars towing trailers etc have the same speed limit as everybody else. This allows traffic to flow much more smoothly than in NZ, but takes a bit of getting used to because you expect trucks to go slower.
    3. Because traffic flows smoothly and speed limits are strongly enforced, there is not the mad overtaking as seen in NZ.
    4. On smaller secondary roads, much more use of double centre lines, to discourage stupid overtaking and on these roads reduced speed limits also apply, but because of point 1 above, traffic flows smoothly and calmy and it is a lot less stressful than driving on similar roads in NZ.
    5. On motorways, away from built up areas, speed limit of 110 is great, those who wish to travel slower never stray in the faster lanes, unlike some idiots on Auckland’s motorways.
    Speed cameras are well signposted and the GPS highlights them and red light cameras.
    Because all of the above, I feel safer on very crowded SEQ roads than on similar roads in NZ.

    • Michelle

      Also noticed on highways when they are coming to a place where traffic is coming onto the motorway all the traffic moves over carefully to let the other traffic on easily
      They are more courteous

  • Keanne Lawrence

    A doctor has been discharged without conviction after she was caught drink-driving at four times the legal limit but suspended from driving for 9 months.
    This was the outcome when Wendy Louise McDonald Florence appeared in the Blenheim District Court for sentencing earlier this week.
    While being a doctor in America she has been a stay-at-home mother in Blenheim and the soft result of her court appearance was so she might avoid complications when she goes through the process of becoming a registered doctor in NZ.
    Judge Peter Butler said “he believed the consequences of a conviction for Florence would out-way the gravity of her offending”.
    While the judge seemed influenced by the consequences for Florence he seemed to ignore any possible consequences for others.
    It seems that the defendant is an alcoholic who apparently fell off the wagon after 10 years and went on a real bender recording 326 milligrams of alcohol per 100 milliliters of blood. The offense occurring on September 8th when the legal level was 80mg.
    Raising the question. Where does the greater consequences lay?
    Her lawyer, Rob Harrison told the court “his client had been a sober alcoholic for 10 years.”
    He also said “If she has a conviction that’s a double whammy because if she gets back in the USA and gets her licence there, and then comes back to NZ (she) has to apply again here.”
    The lack of conviction makes it easier for Florence to continue concealing her alcoholism in the event she decides she would like to practice medicine again.
    Perhaps soon to be practicing near you.
    From Nelson Mail December 29.

    • Sailor Sam

      Another “wet bus ticket slapping” judge.
      Idiots like him must be removed from the bench.
      How about it Chris Finlayson ?

    • dgrogan

      Extraordinary. So much for justice being done and being seen to be done. What is ‘morally correct’ or even ‘fair’ about that judgement? And what message does it send to others who risk driving while grossly intoxicated – apart from it pays in more ways than one, to get an expensive university qualification?

  • Hardie Martin

    Just got removed from Bryan Bruce’s Facebook page for asking if anyone had heard who was feeding all of the thousands of starving children while the schools were closed.

    • Dog Breath

      That is a very good point. If the left commentary is to believed hospitals will soon be full of starving children of a scale similar to the famine disasters in Africa. Now waiting for this influx to occur, still waiting, still waiting……..

  • Hard1

    New Zealand’s position, and the way we vote, on the UN Security Council will be under the microscope in 2015. The bid to end Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories by 2017 garners eight votes, one short of total needed to pass.

  • Dazza

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/64564416/improved-economy-cops-some-higher-road-toll-blame
    What sort of flat earth idiots are the MSM now using to justify the fact only targeting speeding and drink drivers does not work. The economy is now to blame for people being on the wrong side of the road, pulling out at intersections or driving off bridges, how stupid are these people. Here’s food for thought, in the middle of GFC 2010 road deaths in NZ were 370 odd, explain that one based on your headline, next headline….
    “John Key and National Government must take full responsibility for road toll, the economy is going to well”
    Spare me, when will we be Freed!!

    • Tom

      Clive Matthew-Wilson, enough said

  • jcpry

    This came up on my Flipboard feed.I know there are some issues but seriously 55% of women reporting some form of abuse from their partners?

    http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2014/12/domestic-violence-epidemic-new-zealand-2014129121339461174.html

  • Alright

    “Political Scientist” Bryce Edwards on the year in politics:

    “…Generally it was a horrible year for politics, politicians, voters and democracy……”

    You are a complete idiot Edwards. It was a great year for New Zealand democracy.

    The majority of voters had the commonsense to not vote for your lot.

    We won, you lost. Get over yourself (and PS: get a real job).

  • Sally

    I have just decided why I like the WO Blog over all the others.
    Yes it is a serious blog and Cam is quick to expand on why he might disagree what is written in MSM, plus exposing what is going behind the scenes in the political landscape. But there is something here that no other blogs do, it also shows a sense of humour. We are allowed to be amused and laugh at the some of the posts and most of us get that we don’t have to outraged all the time.
    The are other bloggers out there who are outraged all the time and show no sense of humour. So long live WOBH.

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