Anti-fluoride weirdos upset at proposed law change

Anti-fluoride weirdos are outraged at a proposal before government to clarify the law regarding fluoride…ironically that came about as a result of their appeal.

Anti-fluoride campaigners are alarmed at a “sinister” move to slide through a law change over Christmas, validating councils’ power to add the chemical to drinking water.

Medsafe opened public submissions on November 25 on a law change to stop fluoride being legally defined as a medicine – meaning it can be added to municipal water supplies. The deadline for submissions is this Friday.

The law change comes after a High Court justice said the law needed clarification, as he ruled against an appeal by anti-fluoride groups to stop fluoride being added to water.

David Sloan, the director of anti-fluoridation lobby group New Health New Zealand, said the Ministry of Health was rushing the law change. But the organisation’s request to extend the timeframe for submissions outside of the Christmas and New Year period was dismissed by the Ministry of Health.

“We’re a voluntary organisation and all have jobs, so to expect us to put together a good submission in that timeframe is terrible,” Sloan said. “This is kind of a sinister move by the Ministry of Health.”

The change comes after New Health New Zealand sought a judicial review against the Attorney General, arguing that fluoride was subject to the Medicines Act.    

In his judgment, Justice David Collins said he would not focus on the safety of fluoride but on whether or not it could be defined as a medicine. Added to domestic water at 1.5 milligrams per litre, the concentration was so low it could not be considered a medicine. But at higher concentrations it would be a medicine – so officials should clarify the law.

Anti-fluoride campaigners are akin to homeopathic remedy supporters…bordering on strange.

Mostly their opposition is real conspiracy theory stuff and their ranks are populated by people you’d cross the road to avoid.

A case in point is the spokesperson named above, David Sloan.

He is the founder of the NZ Health Trust. Their website carries information about a few of the usual conspiracy theories about mass dosage of the population…and yes including chemtrails and vaccines.


– Fairfax


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  • Blue Tim

    As usual the Herald doesn’t report that the period for submissions is pretty standard. But hey, it’s that time of the year when there’s no news other than police and traffic agency media releases about what a good job they’re doing out on the highways of NZ

  • Yeahright

    How can this cult called the NZ Health Trust be a charitable trust, stinks that there propergander can be for the “benefit of public debate”. I have to ask who would give these people money!

    • Steve

      We all do in an indirect way because they don’t pay tax

  • Monty Bank

    Homeopathy and anti-fluoridation

  • Allyson

    The actions of anti-fluoridation groups have an adverse effect on my mental health and well being. Can we ban them or legislate against them or something?

  • Damon Mudgway

    Did you know that drinking filtered water can cure cancer? I have been researching the internet and am about to release a bottled water ‘tonic’ that will leave you cancer free for a lifetime. A 1 litre bottle of this miracle cure will only cost you 3 easy payments of $29.99. And as a bonus, if you order now, you will receive an extra bottle of filtered water absolutely free (well, not really free, cause you gotta buy the other bottle first).

    • Aucky

      A ‘free’ set of steak knives as well?

      • MrBarrington

        Moar steak knives!!! I love steak knives……

  • Steve

    This post will open up the woodwork. Be interesting to see if it can outdo yesterdays homeopath comments list. Its like an auction. All it takes is a non stop volley between two or theee

    • Pharmachick

      Actually I’d argue that there were two main homeopathy protagonists/advocators yesterday and many other commenters/discussionists. It probably does us all well to be challenged persistently (but politely) occasionally. Per yesterday at least one of them was rational, polite and relatively well informed.

  • Second time around

    The 300+ submissions antifluoridationists made to the Hamilton City Council are still posted on their website. The “facts” stated in the submissions cannot have changed, and there can be few “facts” that are not contained within those submissions. It doesn’t take weeks to cut and paste this stuff from the internet, print it out, shove in an envelope, buy a stamp and mail it, and have it considered by Medsafe for what it is worth. The only issue I see is that Medsafe deals with genuine and spurious claims on a daily basis, and will deal with whatever is sent in on its merits. in a strictly dispassionate and professional manner.

    • Pharmachick

      I reckon that Medsafe don’t always get it right, but on balance they do a pretty reasonable job.

  • Lord Evans

    This is a case of individual rights versus the public good, a bit like vaccination. Fluoride is a naturally occurring element which has been added in safe amounts to water supplies for more than 5 decades. Peer reviewed studies have shown that it reduces the infectious disease of dental decay, particularly in children. The crazy thing, is that on the one hand it’s apparently OK for people to consume homeopathic remedies with no proven detectable ingredient and no results better than placebo, but on the other hand, something that is proven to reduce dental decay is not OK. Huh?

  • Sunshine

    For those that really, really don’t want to drink fluoridated water – you are free to set yourself up to have tank water.

    • SNAFU

      exactly. I avoided fluoridated water by drinking aquifer water.

      • BlitzkriegNZ

        Did you put it in a cup of tea? That stuff is loaded with fluoride!

      • andrew carrot

        The largest volume of retailed filtered water sold in NZ comes from Oasis Industries – Coca-Cola to you and me.

    • Backdoor

      And likewise, those who want to medicate their children with Fluoride can give their children tablets each day.

      • Pharmachick

        But you see, that’s what central government is for. They are duly elected to make these kinds of decisions. In fact, I do believe that’s why it’s called “Public Health”. And on balance, multiple committees at both local and national levels, in decades after decades, have weighed the evidence and have generally decided that it is in the public interest to add fluoride to municipal water.

        One thing people seem to forget, especially those with a rabid agenda, is that in a democracy not everyone gets the outcome they want.

        • Steve

          I concur. Thank goodness for the gene pool and the uniqueness of the individual. If we were all rational, logical and well rounded thinkers we wouldn’t be able to enjoy the discourse that WO is noted for

          • Pharmachick

            [shrugs] some of us discuss things on many blogs, not just WO. I come here for some interesting (and sometimes confrontational) commentary and discussion. I go elsewhere for the same thing. You denigrate a great many people by suggesting they’re not “rational, logical and well rounded thinkers” just because they comment here.

          • Steve

            Quite frankly I dont know where you find the time with all the blogging you attest to… for the denigration…I am fairly certain I don’t belittle a great many people. An odd one here and there maybe but I can live with that. Yesterdays homeopathic marathon clearly showed a total absence of rational thinking in quite a number of comments. But that is life and the freedom of living in our democracy. I

          • Pharmachick

            Okay, touché

    • 1875

      Once fluoride is added to the water supply, it is virtually impossible to escape. While some people can avoid some of the fluoride, some of the time, many groups can’t, for example children, low income people, invalids, boarders, renters and hospital patients etc, can’t avoid any. According to the Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights “In no case should a collective community agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute for an individual’s informed consent.” I’m afraid the tank suggestion is just not practical for many people. Also foods are contaminated with fluoride manufactured in fluoridated areas.

  • SovereignSoul

    I’m an anti floride weirdo and proud of it. I dont see why it isnt enough that they put it in toothpaste. I dont want it, I can clean my teeth and I dont want the government telling me what I need, because that always ends up in tears. I thought you guys supported freedom of choice? Hipocrits!

  • Rodger T

    Can`t they just say it is homeopathic fluoride?

  • Michael

    I once gave a submission to my local city council on their annual plan. I followed the anti-flouride nutters and watched as they were ignored by most, encouraged by one, and laughed at by a couple. What I learned listening was horrifying – I concluded that I was dead, and had been for a long time.

    Or they were completely wrong. Yeah, that one.

  • Backdoor

    If fluoride is so important for dental health then please explain how pre-European Maori got on? Research carried out in the early 1900’s demonstrated that the Maori population had less than 1% caries.

    • Lemuzz

      Because their diet was vastly different to ours

      • Steve

        Nil raw sugar for starters

    • Steely Man

      Because they mostly died by the time they were 30

  • 1875

    Case histories and peer reviewed research shows that fluoride can cause harm even at low levels. People can experience toxicity symptoms from drinking fluoridated water or using fluoride tablets. Symptoms include neurological problems, headaches, skin irritation, gastrointestinal pain and symptoms chronic fatigue, joint pains, and (Waldbott 1956, 1958, Feltman 1956, Feltman and Kosel 1961, Grimbergen 1974, Petraborg 1977, Spittle 2008, reviewed by NRC 2006). Patients were often unaware that their drinking water contained fluoride. Symptoms improved with avoidance of fluoridated water and returned with consumption of fluoridated water or with experimental challenge with fluoride and confirmed by double blind testing. Doctors aren’t trained to suspect fluoride, so patients may be treated for side effects when all that is needed, is avoidance of fluoridated water.

    The Feltman and Kosel study was published in the Journal of Dental Medicine and
    received funding from the US Public Health Service, Department of Health
    Education and Welfare, Washington DC.

  • 1875

    Read the book “The Fluoride Deception” by Christopher Bryson. The book is nothing less than an exhumation of one of the great secret narratives of the industrial era: how a grim workplace poison and the most damaging environmental pollutant of the cold war was added to our drinking water and toothpaste. Another great book is “The Case Against Fluoride” by Connett, Beck and Micklem – 3 PhD’s including a medical doctor. This book will ruthlessly expose the pro- fluoride shenanigans and shows how hazardous waste ended up in our drinking water and the bad science and powerful politics that keep it there.

  • 1875

    The first U.S. fluoridation trial began in the mid-1940s. Would fluoridation pass a modern, drug-style clinical trial or risk assessment?

    There is no way on planet Earth that you could get fluoridation through today. It’s only
    because it’s been an inherited practice and so much credibility is at stake for
    the medical community that keeps it going. ( Dr Paul Connett)

  • 1875

    “It is now known that such vital organs as the kidneys, thyroid, aorta (main heart artery), liver, lungs and others can be the sites of an unusually high fluoride build-up. No matter how small the amount of fluoride in the diet, a part of it tends to accumulate in the body. When the water supply is fluoridated the intake of the individual is considerably increased and the accumulation in the body increases accordingly. There is no clear-cut pattern as to the degree of retention among individuals. Further, it
    accumulates in certain organs in an unpredictable way. Some individuals may store up to 100 times more fluoride in certain tissue than others. This has given rise to concern over fluoride’s possible role in chronic disease. Fluoride is an enzyme poison and medical authorities recognize that disturbances of the enzyme system are a cause of disease.” (Dr. Jonathan Forman, M.D., world-renowned specialist in allergy, Professor-Emeritus of Ohio State University, former editor of the Ohio State Medical Journal,
    editor of Clinical Physiology, in statement in behalf of Medical-Dental Committee on Evaluation of Fluoridation.)

  • 1875

    “Fluorine and fluorides can act as direct cellular poisons by interfering with calcium metabolism and enzyme mechanisms.” (Handbook of Poisoning: Prevention, Diagnosis and Treatment, 11th Edition, 1983.)

    “Fluoride is an enzyme poison, in the same class as cyanide, oxalate, or azide … it is capable of a very wide variety of harmful effects, even at low doses.” (James B. Patrick, Ph.D., antibiotics research scientist.)

    “Yes, fluoride is an (enzyme) inhibitor. You are right in the implication that when it comes to certain patients, it is important that they do not have fluoride in the water.” (Dr. Harold Loe, National Institute of Dental Research, to a subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, 1989.)

  • 1875


    1. Take the toxic waste fluoride chemical out of the drinking water.

    2. It is still legal and available, so those who wish to take it can then put
    fluoride tablets in their glass of water.

    3. Leave the rest of us out of it, giving everyone the freedom of choice.


  • 1875

    What do some experts say about fluoridation?

    • Dr Hardy Limeback, Associate Professor and Head, Preventive Dentistry, University of Toronto, and panel member for the National Research Council report on ‘Fluoride in Drinking Water’ (NRC, 2006)

    “. . . we now know that fluoride doesn’t need to be swallowed, that the public
    has to be informed. They should be told that it doesn’t work by swallowing it.”

    • Dr Robert Isaacson, panel member, NRC 2006.

    “As far as I can see, there’s no doubt that the intake of fluoridated water is going to interrupt basic functions of nerve cells in the brain, and this is certainly not going to be [for] the benefit of anybody.”

    • Dr Arvid Carlsson, Nobel Laureate in Medicine (2000) and official advisor to the
    Swedish Government.

    ”Fluoridation is against all modern principles of pharmacology. It’s obsolete.I don’t think anybody, not a single dentist would bring up this question in Sweden anymore.”

    • Dr John Colquhoun, former dental health officer for Auckland and former editor of the international journal Fluoride, who on the basis of firm evidence became one of
    the most articulate critics of fluoridation.

    “It is my best judgement, reached with a high degree of scientific certainty, That fluoridation is invalid in theory and ineffective in practice as a preventive of dental caries. It is dangerous to the health of consumers.”

  • 1875

    Fluoridation is pure pseudoscience. Fluoride is now available in multiple
    delivery forms many of which don’t require swallowing it yet like typical
    dinosaurs they still want to add it to the water. Fluoridationuists are today’s
    flat earthers and Luddites.

  • 1875

    Harvard university and the Lancet Journal have confirmed fluoride is a neurotoxin, Bottle fed babies and children exceed the upper limit of fluoride intake and therefore receive a toxic dose.

  • 1875

    Ever wondered why fluoridated water tastes and smells like it’s polluted? Well that’s because it is. The toxic waste gasses from the phosphate fertilizer and aluminum smelting industries are captured and then added to the public water supply. It’s too toxic to be discharged into the atmosphere. Its in it’s raw state. It is not refined at all. The list of contaminants is longer then my arm and they only test for a few. Some of the contaminants include arsenic, lead, mercury, cadmium, solvents, defoamers and radioactive isotopes. Waste chemical are sometimes used in the processes to lower costs thus bringing in more conataminants from other industries.

  • 1875

    Fluoridation is a cult. Fluoride has never been tested for human health safety and is therefore pseudoscience. Some people blindly follow the cult of the fluoridationists, not realizing that they have abdicated all their rights and mustn’t complain when all sorts of other substances are added to the public water supply. There is already talk of Lithium being added to help with mental illness. Probably what fluoridationists need ! lol