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Whaleoil reader Isherman writes

It was disappointing if not surprising yesterday, to read posts by some commentators of the left accusing the right of playing politics with the atrocious events in France.

Some of the inferences include: the right using these events to push a political interest in promoting division, the justification to erode personal liberties with wide intrusive state surveillance, and even attempting to turn the discussion into a call for religious war.

To my mind, it is actually they who are playing the politics here, and turning an act of terrorism into a narrative of blame.

The valid discussions that are being held (across the political spectrum) are, or at least should be first and fore-mostly concerned with a serious and international problem that exists, one that affects the security of ordinary people all over the globe, and not strictly limited to those living in western democratic countries either.

They seem to ignore the fact that countries with Socialist governments and liberal societies are in no way immune from this cancer, so suggesting that if we all just take the dialogue and hug approach, and bury our heads in the sand to some stark realities that it will all just go away.

Sadly, I believe we have not yet seen the apex of Islamic extremism. That apex IMO will not just be further attacks such as we have already seen, but region wide conflicts that will have a global impact. If the left want to contribute, then start with some honesty and lets discuss the problem.

Finally, they should remember that while we may disagree with the politics of the other, we are bound in our duty to protect the very freedoms that democracy and free speech allow us.

Our freedoms will not be taken away from us by the State seeking to protect its citizens by keeping abreast of threats, it will be taken away from us by a ready acquiescence to intolerance and barbarism that we allow to fester and grow in our society.

 


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  • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

    Nicely put. Last line says it all.

  • dgrogan

    Excellent and well-reasoned post. Thank you.

  • Michael

    …and remembering the moderate, peace-loving majority are irrelevant!

    • Isherman

      On the priviso this is intended a legitimate remark and ot trolling, let me address that.
      The ‘peace loving’ Muslims of the world are not those that I refer to, in fact they are also victims of Islam-ism, in some ways the first victims. Its also valid to point out that this majority, if they are the majority, need to be a part of the solution..to take the faith away from the ever growing radicalised element. Some would say, that the ‘silent majority’ are perhaps a little too silent, thats all.

      • OneTrack

        When asked the question, would the “silent majority” vote for, or against, Sharia Law in New Zealand?

      • Michael

        Definitely not a troll – really reflecting on the words of Ms. Brigitte Gabriel so we don’t lull ourselves into a false sense of security (as if that is still possible).

        • Michael

          • willtin

            I love her
            intellect

        • Isherman

          Gothcha now, I read it as one of those slightly ambiguous comments that I’m caution in respoding to.

  • All_on_Red

    Agree with this, but how do we stop it? Given that it’s clear that moderate Muslims and women also get terrorised ( Hamas in Gaza suppressing the people there- for example)I think that allowing enclaves where a separate community can implement and impose Sharia Law provides the environment where moderates cannot freely speak out and name those who are the extremists without placing themselves in danger. Unfortunately many countries have made the mistake of allowing that to happen.
    One of the strategies of “The Surge” in Iraq was to place troops in neighbourhoods and provide security for its residents. As the place became more secure, people started coming forward and informing the troops where weapons were stored, and who were the terrorists. It worked- some semblance of peace emerged as people felt free to get on with their lives. ( of course now the US has gone, it’s falling apart!)
    Not sure how the UK, France, Sweden or Holland can unwind or prevent these enclaves – unless they ban Sharia Law for a start, and stopping the takeover of many public schools by those who teach the Islamic way and eschew a secular approach.
    We also have to create an environment and systems where moderate Muslims can report problem people ( read the radical Imams and their followers) without fear of retribution and ensure these enclaves can’t be created with sharia law implemented and our schools corrupted by teachers selling radical Islam.
    This also applies to trying to provide women- who especially have their right suppressed, with a way to report or escape abusive practice.
    We are lucky here things aren’t so advanced.

    • Mine it,Drill it,Sell it.

      I will not use the acronym of the UN I will spell it out so we have no
      misunderstandings The United Nations needs to get of it’s fat lazy butt
      and open the debate on these matters.All five permanent members of the
      security council are having problems with this evil barbaric terrorism
      yet they can never agree as usually it what is in it for them.

      It is time all members asked for the debate on a global scale to put a
      end to terrorism now and the first thing that should be put on hold
      until we achieved our goals to defeat terrorism is this global warming
      scam.

      All money and personnel should be directed to the fight against this
      evil as if it is allowed to continue on and grow in this way the only
      global warming we will witness be by way off a stolen or purchased
      nuclear weapon or dirty bombs, it will not be from ice breaking away
      from the North or South poles.The blood flowing in the streets of Paris
      is real, unlike the ink on a mad scientist spread sheet on temperature
      changes in the local lake.

      Get the United Nations to set the agenda and KPI’S who knows we may even
      have the Greens join the debate as they seem to quote the United
      Nations on a daily basis.This current problem is a global issue.

      • Rick H

        Has the United Nations actually ever done anything good?
        Or is all they ever do, just talking about things?
        How many trillions of dollars have they wasted doing nothing?

        • Mine it,Drill it,Sell it.

          That is my point we have no other organization to deal with this global problem and yes the track record is not great.All countries should declare they support this new agenda and goals or should they decide not to support the global removal of this terrorism then they are left to defend for themselves from these evil terrorists.

          Yes how many trillions have been wasted on the global warming scam ?

    • OneTrack

      “how do we stop it”

      We could start by not making the problem worse by continuing to import more.

      • exactchange

        Yes, that is the approach with lake pollution. Deal with the inflow streams first. Makes no sense to clean the lake first, though that doesn’t stop people trying.

  • In Vino Veritas

    As always, the left try and frame the discussion to their purposes. The whole modus of the left is to create inter population tension, and to live on the edge of anarchy to take away attention from their own ineptitude. If they didn’t, they would never have any support!

  • thehawkreturns

    Islam is intolerance and barbarism. It was founded on those core values. There is no “New Testament” of multicultural understanding and tolerance within Islam. It is difficult for every other religious group and atheists to fully comprehend the evil that this political cultural sect represent but the closest I can come to it is the Nazi Party with its hero-worship, intolerance and violence leading to to WW2. Yes there were plenty of peaceful Germans in the 1930’s. They just didn’t care enough to make the effort to stop the Nazis. Similarly, the peaceful Muslims don’t really care enough either. The only solution I can see is to root the lot out of Western society, It won’t be pretty but the sooner the better and the less dead. Let the Islamic peoples live in Islamic lands. Isolate the infection.

    • Kevin

      Based on what I’ve read by Muslims trying to justify the unjustifiable – from banning Chess (it takes time away from praying to Allah and moving pieces around isn’t productive) to attempting to justify pedeophilia (sure, she was only 9, but she was very mature for her age and it was consensual!) – I am totally convinced that Islam makes you retarded.

      • johcar

        “I am totally convinced that Islam makes you retarded.”

        Ahh, the age old cause and effect conundrum. There is a chance you may have that backwards….

        • Kevin

          Here’s the problem in a nutshell. Islam’s claim to fame is that the Koran is the direct word of God and is therefore infallible. So when a Muslim finds something in the Koran that is clearly wrong he must somehow reason in his mind that itis in fact not wrong. And that is where I believe the retardation factor comes in.

          Just as an aside the above (Koran being infallible) is the reason why Rushdie got in so much trouble with his book The Satanic Verses as it was, and still is, a very real existential threat to Islam. Kind of like someone claiming to have found the body of Christ would be an existential threat to Christianity.

  • MAWG

    We in the west have a code of behavior for being a good citizen, or a good human being. It involves being accepting of others, and treating them as equals.

    Women, men, theists and atheists. All that we ask in return is the same consideration. Be a good human being. Simple.

    However, if being a good human being equates to being a bad Muslim, then we are at a dangerous impasse.

    To some, being a good Muslim requires being what in our eyes, is the worst sort of human being. Of course, terrible things have been done in the name of religion throughout history, and across many religions. Christian history is not devoid of such happenings, but modern Christians no longer carry out inquisition by torture and burning at the stake.

  • Dave

    I have friends and clients who are muslim, and as far as I know, they will condem the terrorist attacks. My thoughts, its time for everyone the world over to push back, solidly, and completely reject any violence and any threats. Easy to say, hard to acomplish. Think of it this way. We all on WOBH get to voice our opinions, we may say we disagree, dislike a person or event, or their policital leanings! Personally, i belives Tiso and Martin Martyn are total fools who should find a rock and crawl under it forever, along with their loved labour leader etc. However, unlike th eextremists from the religion of peace, i wish them no harm, and would share a meal or water wit hthem if they were truely in need. Thats not to say I’m a nice person, or a soft touch, its just that like 99.9999% of humans in the western world, we are harmless, and peaceful. Thereinlies the problem, and the solution – perhaps. The stupid non strategic terrorists have also opened eyes all over the western world, just how far they will go in the eyes of islam for revenge, and to control the world. I hope that movement across Europe continues and slowly the push back against the islamic extremists, and their sanctioning of violence ceases. Time for the rest of the world to say STOP.

    • 1951

      They need to march silently with strength as shown in Germany last week, in Paris yesterday, and with respect as was shown in Martin St. All, those who condemn the terrorists what ever their up-bringing.

  • sbk

    every once in a while…a leader makes sense…this from the Egpytian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi …via Breibart.

    ” I am referring here to the religious clerics. We have to think hard about what we are facing—and I have, in fact, addressed this topic a couple of times before. It’s inconceivable that the thinking that we hold most sacred should cause the entireumma [Islamic world] to be a source of anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the world. Impossible!

    That thinking—I am not saying “religion” but “thinking”—that corpus of texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the years, to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible, is antagonizing the entire world. It’s antagonizing the entire world!

    Is it possible that 1.6 billion people [Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants—that is 7 billion—so that they themselves may live? Impossible!

    I am saying these words here at Al Azhar, before this assembly of scholars and ulema—Allah Almighty be witness to your truth on Judgment Day concerning that which I’m talking about now.

    All this that I am telling you, you cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset. You need to step outside of yourselves to be able to observe it and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective.

    I say and repeat again that we are in need of a religious revolution. You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move… because this umma is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost—and it is being lost by our own hands.”

    well done that Man.

    • 1951

      Agree, well done that man. He is pointing the bone right at the cause. There has been no peace for them all since Ayatollah Khomeini started the ball rolling. I remember the Malay students that came out here to study on the Columbo scheme. They were always dressed to the nines in the latest of fashion making us kiwi girls green with envy. Then following the rise of Khomeini, they returned the next year in hibabs. The difference was stark.

    • Isherman

      Delivered at Al Azhar university, that would have gone down like a cup of cold sick with many from that institution, long a centre of everything from Arab nationalism to radical political Islam which has produced some of Islams most notorious and divisive figures. For people not so familiar with just how influential this institution has been, the attached link provides some background on the politics and personalities that have graced its halls. I hope El-Sisi doesn’t end up like Anwar Al Sadat with a speech like that.

      https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CBwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAl-Azhar_University&ei=h1mvVOOhOoPh8AWNi4L4BA&usg=AFQjCNFwGuosnKy-GECAhX2kd-vJAi_6CA

      • 1951

        What better place to be heard then.

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