Faces of the day

Whether or not you believe in God or are religious or not you have to admire today’s faces of the day.

They live in America yet as you will see their freedom of speech is under threat.

They are peaceful yet they are threatened with violence.

The best line in the first video is at the end.

‘A message to Muslims of the world, don’t threaten us and tell us not to do something because then we have to do it.’

Their names are David and Nabeel.

The second part is the most educational. They explain how Muhammad preached a message of tolerance and peace when he was being persecuted and he and his followers were in the minority. However once he had an army around him his message changed markedly. This is why moderate Muslims are moderate they suggest. As their numbers grow their message of tolerance for other religions and non violence will change. This is a pattern that has been repeated many times in history. It happened in my grandparent’s homeland of Lebanon as they mention in this video. They also touch on the topic of cartoonists which is so relevant given the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris.

There are more videos that I haven’t posted. Their visit ended with both of them being put in jail. On their website they wrote about their time in jail, a small extract is below. Remember this is America, the land of the free.

On a horrifying note, one of the police officers in the jail told us that there are honor killings in Dearborn but that they get covered up by the police department. He said that he had walked into houses where girls had been beheaded or had had their throats slit. (But check the local newspapers. You won’t find any mention of these crimes.) The officer told us that some of the officers in the department support what we’re doing.


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  • Cadwallader

    What is it in the human condition which nurtures the need to believe in and be directed by an invisible umpire? Do dogs believe in a God? The real question here is not whether Islam v Christianity is the more admirable faith, but it is: Why bother at all?

    • Nige.

      I think it is a heiracey thing. For me it makes no sense that human beings are the pinicle of intelligence. Look how dumb as a species we are.

      Dogs aren’t likely to have the intelligence to understand the concept of an ‘all seeing’ god but I’ve always assumed that a dog with a master thinks that said master is their god.

      • Cadwallader

        I am not sure that I understand your post. My point is that for humans to find faith-based beliefs necessary reveals a lack in our ability to reason. If spookiness and irrationality continues to grow we may all end up being Smalley clones…you know, sort of!
        Belief systems come and go though, I was talking to a senior Mason in my city the other day. He says that recruitment levels have collapsed and it is largely impossible to gain new Masons. I have always thought they are a bit weird with their aprons and handshakes. Having said that, going to Boy Scouts as a child was a bit damn weird too.

        • LesleyNZ

          I ask you Cadwallader – what is life really all about? Why are you here? What is the point of living and then dying and then there is nothing? What is the meaning of life? Just look outside – beautiful day – trees, birds, blue sky, sunshine – the earth so perfectly balanced for our habitation. Did what you see outside your window, just happen by chance? I remember saying to a friend that we don’t often see the miracles that happened in Biblical times- if ever. My friend answered and said – oh yes we do. Every time a baby is born we see a little miracle. So true.

          • Cadwallader

            Are your questions rhetoric? You well know they are unanswerable in a facile manner.

          • LesleyNZ

            I am serious about these questions.

          • Muffin

            I believe we live then die and that is the end if it. It can be a little disheartening but that is my faith. Actually once you accept that this life isnt a dress rehearsal, the trees and sun and birds seem all that more special.

          • ex-JAFA

            Why are the birds here? The earth is so perfectly balanced for their habitation. Humans are better than other life forms only insofar as we’ve evolved further to dominate the planet. We’re here because the previous generation produced us, and – with a bit of luck – our combination of inherited and mutated genes make us a wee bit better at this living lark than the previous generation. And so on for our descendants. Just the same as every other living creature.

      • mike

        Using that logic humans are awesome gods on the most part. We feed, bathe, groom, play and generally look after our dogs. Including keeping them from harm.

        Does any other God do these things? And I don’t mean in a meta physical manner I mean direct physical interaction.

        • Nige.

          Ehhhhh…yeah? If I’m following right you are talking about the dog part. Relevant to the dogs intelligence then god would be just about anything that they we subservient to.

          Should there be a university study on whether dogs believe in god? Is this how these studies start?

          • mike

            Subservient? Are you implying that people who believe in God are subservient to that God?

            Crikey that’s a can of worms you don’t want to open.

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      I’m not sure that you were really wanting an answer? As a believer, I am convinced that God created the ‘spiritual’ desire to know Him in our species.
      In a small way it is like finding a special fruit and wanting to share the experience with others. It is up to others to then try it or not. Some may not like it. I tried it and am hooked. I could tell you of all the interactions I have had with God, but I have a feeling you would explain them all away as ‘coincidence’ or ‘lies’ or ‘misguided’ or worse. I believe everyone has the chance to ‘try’ the fruit at some point in their lives. Each persons response is their own to ‘own’.
      I am not interested in persuading people who are not really interested. (unlike the Hebdo terrorists!)

      • Cadwallader

        I would never accuse a believer of lying. You are wrong to make this assumption. I do not believe other than to say that those who do, have a right to do so. I don’t understand why some have faith and some do not which may be unsatisfactory to you but that’s the way things are.
        I watched the clip re Quantum Entanglement earlier. The exploration of sub-sub-atomic particles is consistently moving from the theoretical to the science-based but for its initial study it relied on conceptualization and faith.

        • Euan Ross-Taylor

          I too find quantum entanglement and the subatomic fascinating, but from a faith perspective. It explains how physical may pass through other physical objects and how ‘communication’ may occur over vast distances. We have so much to still understand. As you say, we have made huge leaps forward in our understanding often due to accepting positions of faith.

      • LesleyNZ

        Agree with you Euan – we all have an innate spiritual desire. We are all searching for something or someone who will/that gives meaning to life.

    • ozbob68

      Philosophically? One could argue that Religion was created to temper peoples behaviour; you know, an eternal reward in the next life if you follow the rules and behave in this life (and of course, the prospect of eternal damnation if you don’t). You could also say that the hierarchy of religion was created by certain parts of society to give them status and control over the masses (think Blackadder 1). Personally I think the Koran was a good way of moderating behaviour and providing sensible rules for living in it’s original environment (the middle east, in either scattered communities or exclusive cities). Where it broke down is when it came into contact with other religions and discovered the ability to travel and communicate over long distances.

    • cows4me

      I really doubt this has much to do with God or religion. It’s a movement that has reached a critical mass and many in that movement now believe their time has come. It’s about totalitarianism, control and total power. God and Religion is simply the excuse, they won’t even admit to themselves it’s the power they crave. We are fighting an evil not dissimilar to that of Hitler and his fascist scumbags, their God was racial superiority but really it was just the same crap just a different time.

  • sarahmw

    Dearborn, Michigan known as a Muslim stronghold for years. Not surprised these guys were put in jail. Dearborn has its own problems.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    Brave young modern gladiators
    I recall the post SB did on women and one of those woman spoke about honor killings occurring in USA

  • Eiselmann

    Dearbornistan ….where the police will arrest you for saying ‘Jesus saves’ or ‘there is no God’ but you can say ‘behead those who are not Muslims’ and the cops will do nothing.

  • LesleyNZ

    Nabeel Qureshi was a Muslim. He is a wonderful brave man. We have been watching many of his videos over the past year. My husband just said to me that he is magnificent. His faith in the Lord Jesus has cost him his family. David is his best friend and he became a Christian through David. Nabeel is so thankful for his friend David that he has said he would die for him. Nabeel’s first book is called “Seeking Allah – finding Jesus”. http://www.rzim.org/bio/nabeel-qureshi/
    As intelligentes candida diva said “Brave young modern gladiators” and I will add – and they love Jesus so much so that they risk their lives and would give their lives for Him.

    • Rocket

      So how is it that being a “Brave young modern gladiator” who is willing to give his family and even life for his faith any different to a muslim who fights and kills and dies for his religion? That sort of statement just encourages non-believers to lump all you faithful together, and to conclude there is little difference between your particular religions.

      • LesleyNZ

        There is a big difference and you know that.

  • LesleyNZ

    How do we send this post to president Obama? He needs to know what is going on in the country he leads.

  • LesleyNZ

    If you want to follow (“like”) Nabeel on facebook https://www.facebook.com/NabeelQureshi.RZIM
    He is also on twitter.