Hang on a minute…you can’t name your kid Christ, but you can name them Muhammed?

So…Christ was banned as a name, as “Registrar-General of Births, Deaths and Marriages Jeff Montgomery said names deemed offensive, such as swear words or those of a religious nature such as Christ, would be blocked.”

How many children were named Muhammed? Surely this is exactly the same?

It seems you can’t draw an image of Muhammed but you can name your kids after him…a drawing is offensive but a name is not.

In the Herald’s world too, the drawing is offensive if it is of Muhammed, but not of Jesus.

The Herald reports:

“Special Constable” is among dozens of Kiwi names rejected last year because they were too bizarre or offensive for newborns.

Internal Affairs declined 60 name requests last year, including “Mr”, “Lucifer” and “Christ”. One child was set to be called “3rd” before the proposal was vetoed and another narrowly avoided being dubbed “Royal-Rule”. Five people were also knocked back for trying to name their offspring “/”.

The department’s rules forbid any name that implied a child held a title or a rank, so “Duke”, “Prince,” “Princess” and “Majesty” were dismissed. The most popular name rejected was “Justice” which featured six times. Registrar-General of Births, Deaths and Marriages Jeff Montgomery said names deemed offensive, such as swear words or those of a religious nature such as Christ, would be blocked.

If the Registrar-General of Births, Deaths and Marriages is going to be consistent then he will be banning all derivations of Muhammed for exactly the same reasons.

I’ll bet that an OIA to Births, Deaths and Marriages shows there was more than one child named Muhammed last year in New Zealand, making a mockery of the policy of yet another government department.

In the UK last year Muhammed was the most popular name for babies.

Stuff reports:

In the UK Mohammed, the most popular name in the world, became the most used male baby name (using three different spellings) in the past year.

So you can’t draw a picture of the “prophet” but you can name your ratbag kids after him…interesting.

 

– NZ Herald, Fairfax

 


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  • conwaycaptain

    You can name your child Jesus as this is a popular name in Spanish speaking countries.

    • caochladh

      Hey soos!

      • Frosty78

        I liked the boxing contest on South Park when he fought Satan(?). Introduced as “Hey-zoos El Saviorrrrrrrrrrrrrr Christ!”

  • sandalwood789

    The UK is doomed. It’s a “dead nation walking”.

    It cannot recover from both demographic jihad and deliberate subversion by the political class.

  • Murray Smith

    I wonder how many Muhammed s suffer from downs syndrome, like the white tiger. Surely that’d be an offence to the prophet ?

    • sandalwood789

      It’s certainly true that inbreeding is very common in Islamic countries –

      http://www.australianislamistmonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3910:muslim-inbreeding-impacts-on-intelligence-sanity-health-and-society&catid=294:social-practices-interactions&Itemid=61

      Quote – “A rough estimate shows that close to half of all Muslims in the world
      are inbred: In Pakistan, 70 percent of all marriages are between first
      cousins (so-called “consanguinity”) and in Turkey the amount is between
      25-30 percent (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009) “

      • conwaycaptain

        Google Charles 11 of Spain and see what the Hapsburg in breeding did. His death resulted in the War of the Spanish Succession and the Victories of John Churchill 1st Duke of Marlborough

      • conwaycaptain

        If 70% of marriages are consanguine then surely after 3 or 4 generations we will see a HUGE number of genetic abnormalities in the population. It is now known that 30% of all genetic abnormalities treated in the NHS in the UK are in the Pakistani/Bangladeshi communities.

  • Bombastic

    Oh I just give up on the sky fairy etiquette, especially where a breach could end in one’s head being hacked off by a hearded nutter in black.

    • Jared

      I think this is how every other Nation’s rugby team feels.

  • OneTrack

    It was horrifying the number of “people” who start doing their best to screw up their kids lives from the moment the kids are born. Those names probably sounded really cool after 2 * 40 large bottles of JD.

  • peterwn

    This matter arose in the 1970’s when a few people wanted to change their name by deed poll. One guy, a law student (I think) successfully changed his name to ‘Mickey Mouse’ then said the Registrar had ‘Goofed’ in allowing it (he was looking forward to a public spat with the Registrar). I think he stood for Parliament, then later changed his name back. Then another guy wanted to change his name to ‘Jesus Christ’ and the Registrar rejected that. That is probably why ‘Christ’ was put on the banned list. An Anglican minister had no trouble naming her child ‘Trinity’ (the collective term for the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost).

    • TayheiNotts

      Mr Mouse stood, unsuccessfully, for the Mad Hatters Tea Party in Palmerston North in 1972.
      I recall the Tv commentator reading out the provisional figures, with a real deadpan voice; Brown Labour 7158, Lithgow National 6865, Mouse Mat Hatters Tea 63.
      Hilarious.
      I’m probably wrong here but I think that Christ, who wanted to stand for parliament that year, was locked up on a marijuana charge when nominations closed.
      In those days the losing deposit was only $10, so it had to be increased otherwise everybody would have been standing for parliament.

  • Euan Ross-Taylor

    I expect ‘Christos’ is acceptable which is the more recognised name form of ‘Christ’. So it really does make a mockery of Mr Montgommery’s wagging finger!

  • bristol

    Little wonder the Islamic world is so dysfunctional. Silly First Name Syndrome!

  • Cowgirl

    Surely you can call your kid Jesus though because it’s a legitimate name common in some parts of the world?

    I’m also surprised about Justice because I thought that is an old-fashioned but legitimate name too. What about if spelled ‘Justus’?

    No surprises about Mohammed – they are breeding us out – but I think it’s an awful name. It sounds like an old persons name.

    • Meep Meep MEEEEP!!!

      Justice=title, think justice of the peace for example

      • Cowgirl

        Yep but it’s still a proper name like Constance, or Temperance and I think it can be spelled Justus.

  • jaundiced

    Christopher is surely a derivation of Christ?

    • STAG

      Christian? Popular boys name in Scandinavia

    • Justsayn

      From wiki:

      Christopher is the English version of a Europe-wide name derived from the Greek name Χριστόφορος (Christóforos). The constituent parts are Χριστός (Christós), “Christ”, and φέρειν (férein), “bear”: the “Christ-bearer”
      ….
      In English, Christopher may be abbreviated as ‘Chris’ or ‘Kit’, the latter the more common abbreviation until the later 20th century. Another less common abbreviation ‘Topher’ has come into wider use in the U.S.

      • ex-JAFA

        I went to school with a Christopher who was known to everyone (family, teachers, friends) as Tiff.

        • Reaper

          I know a Christopher who hates the name Chris, so is known as Stiffer.

      • I.M Bach

        And St Christopher is often (or usually) depicted as carrying JC on his shoulders, hence the ‘Christ Bearer’ moniker.

        • Justsayn

          OSH would not like that – tell the little bugger to hold on for Christ’s sake.

          • John Q Public

            He’s protectedd by his halo.

    • Brian Dingwall

      as is Christine…let’s get rid of that too while we’re at it (sarc)
      The issue is that the people who think up this stupidity are on our damned payroll

  • HR

    I have come across some names that make you cringe. Probably can’t list them here but knew a family that named the children after a particular range of cars after changing the family surname by deed poll to the Brand of the manufacturer, a guy with a first name of “Digger” (it was printed on his license), and various other shockers. Also amuses me how people (I think deliberately, but given the type of people, who knows?) deliberately mis-spell names to make them appear more exotic. Like:

    Aalivyah, Bylinda, Mersaydees.

    http://thingsboganslike.com/a-bogue-by-any-other-name/

  • Doc45

    One gets the impression that some parents are so self focused that they have no consideration of the value of new life, the responsibility of nurturing and guiding the child into adulthood. They want a plaything they can boast about. Wanting to name your baby Lucifer or Christ indicates a selfish attitude and to hang with the child’s future.

  • Isherman

    So by that logic, Moses, Abraham, Isaiah or any other ‘prophets’ name is out too? I know one guy ( a New York native ) living here with Christ as a surname, its not that uncommon. Then you have the fact that a person coming from a latin country where its rather common could live here as a citizen with that name, but someone born here cant? I accept some name ideas are just ridiculous and should be dis-allowed, but Jesus or Christ is getting a bit OTT.

    • Geoff

      Lots of men in South America named Jesus. Quite common.

      • Thersites

        “Jesus loves you.”

        Lovely to hear in church, horrifying if you are in a South American prison.

  • Tom

    Just goes to show that there should be a test you need to take before becoming a parent. I’m surprised someone hasn’t called their child Bene.

    • Wheninrome

      People do say someone is “fit”, maybe they just shortened the name as people do.

  • sheppy

    I once asked a colleague who was called Mohammed why there are so many by that name and he told me it’s very common in the Muslim world to name the first born Mohammed.

    • ex-JAFA

      I used to work with a guy called Mohammed Ali. For some reason, he preferred to use his middle name. I don’t know why – we already had a Judy Bailey, Meg Ryan and Tina Turner on staff.

  • Wallace Westland

    Oh well, can’t be named Christ but can call yourself Lorde and everyone takes you seriously.
    Funny ol world ain’t it?

    • Salacious Crumb

      Do you think Marilyn Monroe was her real name?

      • STAG

        Norma Jean? But then I never really understood what all the fuss about her was.

      • Wallace Westland

        I wasn’t aware there was a religious connotation to Marilyn Monroe?

  • Andy

    I’m not sure whether putting / or in a name is a greater crime. Either will cause a lifetime of misery

    • johcar

      Two tricky aspects to “/” being used:

      How do you pronounce it (or it it just “Slash”?)?

      Filling in badly written online forms could be problematic

      • Andy

        Some computer people call it “whack” rather than “slash”

        Also, is an escape character, so it would stuff up a lot of online entries.

      • D.Dave

        At least it is “forward” slash. Imagine being called ” (backward slash). What an impediment to any useful employment that moniker would be….

        • johcar

          I suspect any child lumbered with a name like “/” would be hampered more byhis/her genetic makeup than the name applied…

  • Eiselmann

    Saw some unreal names when I was working at WINZ… a few Bus-stops’, several Newhomes’ there are twins out there called Benson and Hedges as well as a set of twins called Pall Mall …even had one mother come in to add her baby onto the benefit ranting that she couldn’t call her kid Scum(after the kids dad -her words)…some people just live in a different world.
    As for the use of the word Mohammed based on the horrids reporting it should be amongst the banned baby names….then again maybe Births Deaths and Marriage are ahead of the curve and simply don’t regard Islam as a religion.

    • kehua

      Yep, call me anything, just don`t call me late for dinner.

    • Jas

      Just imagine if registrar of names was in the same department as WINZ. When you get a newborn with a dumb name you can tell them that you will see them in 16 years time

    • steve and monique

      Same when I had to do the paperwork for “hard up” families of newborns at the hospital in order for them to get yet another handout. Some idiot named their child “Chardon” probably a result of it, then there was Ford, Falcon, Boy, and Ugly. We even started a book which is probably still there. It seriously alarms me to think these dropkicks breed, no doubt future beneficiary dependents unless they get positive influences in their lives….hhhm

    • Pharmachick

      IIRC Benson and Hedges ended up doing very well in National Bursary and Scholarship Exams and went on to Auckland Uni. Also, my friend was teaching in South Auckland many years ago and she had Pall and Mall in her class.

      • Eiselmann

        Would have been working in Otahuhu Winz (which at the time included Mangere and Papatoetoe) so they may be the same kids…..nice to hear Benson and Hedges may have done well for themselves… lots of kids from South Auckland end up doing very well despite what goes on around them.

        • Pharmachick

          Yeah, she [my friend] was teaching primary kids in Otahu in the late 90s/early 00s. And its true what you say about South Auckland kids. In a similar vein you should *see* how disproportionately well kids from Tokoroa do (per capita) in Sporting, Business and Academia arenas. Dunno what it is…well, actually; maybe I do: I figure if you grow up being told you’re not good enough, a certain tranche sets out to prove them wrong. Plus if you’ve seen the worst the world can throw at you – the rest of it doesn’t seem so scary after all ;-)

          • Eiselmann

            Timing marries up was at Otahuhu Office until 96 before being transferred.. Having grownup in South Auckland and seen some stuff I was I hadn’t you’re right it does strengthen you…I know people who came from nothing who are now very well off and successful , I know kids who grew up in gang families or surrounded by them (waves hand in the air, thanks neighbours and step family for showing me what I didn’t want to become) who have gone on to be solid citizens…sadly I also know too many who didn’t break the stereotype. Its nice to remind ourselves that they are loads more good kids then bad.

          • Pharmachick

            Happy to be part of the same club as you Eiselmann. Doing okay myself, as are many I knew growing up … although I do grieve for the ones that had potential to be really awesome, but never got out of the spiral. Personally: waves hand in the air and thanks Mum and my wonderful Step Dad (the latter of whom wins the prize for the entire 20th century called “most awesome male/father role model in a small central North Island town called *****”).

          • Eiselmann

            My dad was awesome worked every hour he could to keep a roof over my head and with only a few hours of dad-son time each week ,managed to counter all the negative stuff that his partners extended family threw at me when he wasn’t around…..a good role model along with a keen sense of right and wrong can take kids a long way down the right path.

          • Annie

            My mother taught an Alias, and there was a local child called Paranoyd. We know an elderly woman called Mutual, and there’s one called Armistice.There was a Uvonne in the paper today-why would anyone call some unlucky child that and have the poor thing explaining that no, it’s not Yvonne ?

  • Justsayn

    The one thing religions have in common that they are illogical, some are more illogical than others. But they do tend to be illogical in different ways – what one finds a heinous attack on their faith, another might find perfectly okay but exhibit some other irrational sensitivity.

    To me that does not mean there is a “correct” or “incorrect” sensitivity, just that each is silly in its own way.

    We should tell them all keep their stupidity to themselves, but I don’t see why we should go out of our way to irritate people either.

    • Jas

      You get that when the rules are devised by humans. The sad part is they tell their followers that some non existent being developed them.

      • Mikex

        It’s even sadder that the followers actually believe them.

  • john Doe

    I remember chasing my boy down the gravel road in bare feet shouting “Jesus Christ” when I catch up with you……never caught him but he did come home for dinner when he got hungry. However in those days all the kids had gollywogs. I guess these days the kids have gender neutral dolls.

    • John

      I have news for you! Go to Amazon and you will find DOZENS of versions of that great book ‘Little Black Sambo’ that was blocked for years by the PC Brigade. And I recently bought two golliwog dolls that were made by Countrylife New Zealand. Maybe common sense is returning?

      • Annie

        They’re called gollies now. Thus the offensive part of the name-wog-is gone. They tended to be called gollies anyway. Wog is very rude and offensive, but golly sounds all right. The opponents don’t seem to see that many rag dolls don’t look like real people, no matter what colour they are.

    • Annie

      Not yet, but some people would like them to. Good luck trying :D

  • RockinBob625

    Every little boy called Tyson that I have met, has been an angry little boy. Names matter! Imagine if you name your son Adolf, what subliminal message are you sending? Or if grandad is a farmer called Andrew, and dad is a farmer called Andrew, what occupation will grandson Andrew be?

    You reap what you sow.

    • Nige.

      There is a boy named “Dre” that I know of. Named after the gangsta wrapper “Dr. Dre”. He is out of control by all accounts. More to do with the parenting than the name. I mean its very easy to tell what kind of person names their kids after someone who sings about “boats and hoe’s” and what kind of up bringing that child is likely to have.

  • NZ 2014

    How about using WINZ as a name?

    • Adios Africa

      Good idea – WINZ is a better parent to many children than their useless breeders.

    • Alright

      Then there’s simply “Benefit” or “Welfare.”

      • NZ 2014

        haha

  • Meep Meep MEEEEP!!!

    hmmmm, I think technically his name is Jesus. He is THE Christ. Jesus the Christ, I think has been shortened over time to Jesus Christ. Christ is a title not a name, and so fits the title category. So when making comparisons with Mohummad, the question is really can you name your child Jesus in NZ?

    • oldmanNZ

      What if your name is Chris tiberious kirk.
      Then shorten like james t kirk, or billy t james.
      Chris t kirk, then after a while, peole will nick name you christ

  • Aucky

    Jesus is a common first name in Spanish-speaking countries. I wonder how our Kiwi-Filipino countrymen are getting on with the Registrar-General?

  • oldmanNZ

    So if your son is mohammed, and you drew a or hang a picture of your son, you also drew a picture of mohammed?
    They all look a like with a towel and beard, so what is the difference?

  • Aucky

    I recall that in last years discussion on a very similar topic that the Registrar had rejected a bid by ‘parents’ to call their child Bus Shelter or Bus Stop which was in all probability where the unfortunate child was conceived.

    • oldmanNZ

      think some parents (or if you can call them that, more like unfortunate bearers).
      are just idiots, to give their child a ill-conceived name that will endure the child to ridicule.

    • Reaper

      When my mother was a teacher in Auckland in the 70s she had a female PI student with the name Mt Albert Bus Stop.

    • Eiselmann

      Times may have changed then ,in my time working at winz 86-99 I encountered three ,IIRC, busstops’s and yes each one was father unknown-not named and each one had conceived at the bus-stop……

  • Just for the record, my kids go to school with a kid called Justice. Of course, I don’t know what it says on his birth certificate.

    • IKIDUNOT

      The kid might have been born abroad??

  • intelligentes candida diva

    It suggests to me The Registrar does not regard Islam as being of a “religious nature”.

    • Annie

      No, it doesn’t, it suggests that they know the difference between a name and a title. Jesus and Muhammed are names. Allah and Christ are not.

  • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

    I hope no mexicans try to name their kid Jesus, or is that okay.

    • Annie

      Yes, it’s just a name like any other,

  • Mark

    I know of boy in his late teens called “Duke.” Just how old are “the department’s rules”?

  • Dan

    ‘Christ’ is a title denoting the Messiah, rather than a name, i.e., ‘Jesus Christ’ = ‘Jesus, the Christ’.
    Whereas Mohammed is an actual name. As other posters have noted, it’s perfectly acceptable to name your child Jesus.

  • Matt Pearce

    Well Christ is more a title then a name so there is a bit of a difference there

  • Benoni

    Christians regard Jesus Christ as God. So they don’t use God’s name as a first name in the western world. They do however use many names of the real prophets eg Isaiah, Ezekiel, Malichi. Similarly Islam uses the name of their “prophet” Muhammed while avoiding naming boys Allah which is an Arabic word for God.

  • stanace

    But nobody has said, can you name a boy, Allah?

  • Annie

    It’s not at all interesting. it’s very stale news. Muhammed/Mohammed is a name like Bill or Fred. So is Jesus. Allah, God and Christ are not. The news that Mohammed is one of the most popular names is about as much news as telling us that Hispanic children are named Maria and Jesus. News ? I think not. I’ve known about this for years, and so has everyone else. Any other news, like the moon landing happening ?

  • damm good thrashing

    Baldrick’s first name was SodOff, Or so he thought.

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