Honest Australian Islamic Leaders: You can’t ban terrorism without banning Islam

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Islamic Protest in Sydney

I am very glad that the Australian Islamic leaders have been so upfront about the reality of the Qur’an (Koran.) It repeatedly in many different parts advocates killing us.

‘Us’ is anyone who is not a ‘ proper ‘ Muslim and yes, countless numbers of Muslims are killed by other Muslims for not being Islamic enough. True Islam is vile and brutal and has been around for 1400 years. If banning Terrorism means banning Islam what is the problem? I struggle to see a problem. We only want to remove from our society what is a clear and present danger to it and those who want to kill us clearly fit the bill.If the Islamic leaders themselves admit that the heart of their ideology the Qur’an (Koran) , is terrorism of the Infidel, ( us ) then let’s thank them for their honesty while packing their bags and sending them on a one way journey back to the hell holes that they came from.

Do we really want to let them turn our countries into clones of the Islamic countries that they fled?

Note they do not offer to remove all the guidelines for terrorism from the Qur’an (Koran), they just want us to ignore it. Can you see anything wrong with this picture? The Qur’an is not a religious book like the bible. That is the mistake most people make. It is actually a Political handbook written by a single author, Muhammad. It outlines a system of government, a legal system ( Sharia law ) and outlines how to wage war.

Muslim Leaders in Australia have said that banning terrorism will ban Islam.
They have a point. It’s just usually one that they aren’t willing to admit in public. The Jihad comes from the Koran. Every act of Muslim violence that is religiously sanctioned, from terrorism to rape, is derived from the Koran. If you ban incitement to violence against non-Muslims, you criminalize the Koran.

A Muslim cleric who preaches from certain passages of the Koran could be caught in the “broad” net of the government’s new anti-terror law, Islamic leaders have warned.

Grand Mufti of Australia Ibrahim Abu Mohammad and the Australian National Imams Council have called for the offence of “advocating terrorism” to be removed from the so-called Foreign Fighters Bill, currently before Parliament.
Islam and terrorism. The two are intertwined.

Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing.”

Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them.”
You can’t ban terrorism without banning Islam.

In its submission, the Islamic Council of Victoria said the new law would incriminate Muslims who support “legitimate forms of armed struggle”, including resistance to the Assad regime in Syria and the Palestinian conflict with Israel.
So the argument is that they want to promote “good terrorism” against Jews and they don’t want to be sanctioned for it. Muslim settlers. Australia clearly needs more of them to create a tolerant society. A tolerant society which promotes the “legitimate” murder of Jews.

“Criminalising the act of ‘advocating terrorism’ adds another layer of complexity to this issue. The scope of what constitutes ‘advocating terrorism’ is unclear.”
It’s not that unclear, except to Muslims, who insist that killing terrorists is terrorism… but terrorism is legitimate.

The council identified what it says is a double standard in Muslims wanting to go to Syria and Iraq to provide aid having their passports cancelled “while ignoring the travel of Zionist Jews wishing to travel to Israel – a state which illegally occupies Palestinian territory with intention of fighting in a war against Gazans and has been accused of war crimes”.
#IllridewithyouallthewaytoISIS

But setting aside whatever views anyone may have on Israel, Aussies traveling to Israel to fight with the IDF are not going to go back to Sydney and kill people. The same can’t be said for Muslim settlers in Australia traveling to join terrorist groups.

It’s not a double standard. Australia is trying to prevent terror attacks on its own soil. Muslim leaders insist that banning terrorism will outlaw their legitimate right to kill Jews and promote the murder of non-Muslims for “legitimate” reasons.

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  • Comments open

    • what ajoke

      Unfortunately The Islam Culture Does not have morals this days Rape and Slave of women and adultery is punish by death in a civilised society and now killing among themselves ( muslims ) in only for greed and power and Sharia law They are not interested
      About Peace and reconcialiation
      Look Around Libya C.A.R Nigeria Somalia
      They want terror fame and glory and car bombing and vest bomb and they will kill themselves and other in name of their god
      unfortunately thing will never change may nation will be able to control them but not eradicate the completely there will be always
      the hot headed one that will kill or blow himself
      In my country we have 5 Mil of them they have not respect for as they want mosques
      to pray and do not integrated to well with our culture always fighting getting drunk and brawl are normal and when I was there last time you cannot say a word unless you prepare to argue or get beating up or stabbed and if I say about eating pork meat they do and drinking booze they do that as well so our health system is utterly a shamble but or government pay them 35 euro a month per person that is the reason is one of their preferred destination and that is not a joke

  • williamabong

    Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim.
    It’s not a religion, it’s a cult.
    How would people feel if a Nazi party started up and reasserted the morals that Adolf Hitler stood for, started converting hundreds then thousands of people to their ways, building their own centres to pray and indoctrinate, wanted their own laws and then wanted to apply them to everyone else via their own police force.

    • Simo

      The refugee boats out of Syria at the moment are a human tragedy
      However, the West is being setup by accepting them into their countries.

      Islam is a murderous imperialist cult that will sacrifice thousands of its devotees to achieve its hidden intentions.
      It will be a major task to roll back the trojan horses embedded in Western Countries.
      Just remember blogs like this will cease to exist if sharia law gets a foot hold in our country

    • Elinor_Dashwood

      How I would feel: speaking for myself, I would not join such a party, I would argue against its proposals, and I would not vote for it. The same goes for the Labour party and the Green party.
      However, I would not want to ban either of them, or to criminalise those who do support its ideas and vote for it. Freedom of conscience and freedom of speech do not apply only to those beliefs and speeches considered acceptable by others.

      • williamabong

        So you wouldn’t ban it even if it were proven that it was going to undermine both your country or your way of life, and therein lies the problem, as long as we are all sickly white and liberal the Islamic faith will continue to roll forward through western nations, ask the people of England what they would do were they able to turn back the clock.

        • Elinor_Dashwood

          Whereas restricting freedom of speech, punishing people who have committed no crime and proscribing freedom of conscience is no threat whatsoever to our values, our country and our way of life.

          • williamabong

            Absolutely they are more than welcome here, as long as they renounce their filthy evil religion, the day they begin to practice it here, they are gone, and if they don’t like it then go somewhere else, mind you globally their choices are diminishing by the day, seems nobody wants their crap on the doorstep.
            The other option for these poor persecuted people is to stay right where they are and live a long and prosperous life albeit looking over their shoulder for the swinging blade.

          • Albert Lane

            Are you telling us that anybody who calls for people who don’t believe in exactly what you believe in, are to be beheaded, and that’s not a crime? Is that what they taught you at the mosque when you were a kid in Jeddah? We have a different type of culture here. It’s called tolerance and freedom of speech. And we don’t murder peaceful people who think differently to ourselves.

      • jaundiced

        It goes beyond just freedom of belief and conscience when that belief is one that says that a good Muslim is obliged to kill all non believers. And yet we let them come to settle here and set up their Mosques that preach this.

      • Albert Lane

        So what are your thoughts about religious leaders who preach hatred and murder? Are they okay? Are they harmless? Are they criminals?

    • The Accountant

      Germany is already starting down that route, and the UKIP is gaining traction like never before. Boil over is when not if.

      • Simo

        Any convicted Islamic terrorist in this country will be slipped into the tide to tempt one of these 200million year old perfect killing machines. Its a bit difficult to service 72 virgins when you are being digested into excrement

    • anonface

      Err… plenty of terrorists that aren’t muslim.

      • kloyd0306

        I don’t see the cross being raised or yelling “in the name of Jesus Christ or Buddah.’

        Islam has an undeniable connection to terrorism. To deny such is burying your head in the sand.

        • anonface

          There is no doubt that there is a connection between Islam and terrorism. But to outright say all terrorists are muslim is bollocks.

          The Oklahoma Bomber would be considered a terrorist, and was catholic.

          Plenty of people performing acts very close to terrorism in the name of a christian god. Westboro Baptist as a start.

          • KiwiKaffir

            The Oklahoma Bomber was atheist at the time of the bombing

          • kloyd0306

            Did I write that “all terrorists are Muslim” ? No, I did not.

            Can you quote me some examples of terror acts which were performed in the name of Christianity, where the perp raised a cross and yelled “I do this in the name of Jesus Christ.”

            There is a major problem with the teachings of the Qu’ran. To try and nullify it’s clear depravity by comparing it to other religions is disingenuous. There is no moral equivalency to the hideous teachings of Muhammed.

            It’s followers and believers have been brainwashed to the point of cowardice.

          • kloyd0306

            Today’s Paris Islamic terror attack and killings prove my point. Your “equivalization” nonsense will only embolden these scum.

            The efforts to stop their jihad are pathetic.

        • Garbageman

          once its neatly lopped of your shoulders that is

    • Thersites

      This is a fair comparison. Imagine it is the late 1940s, tens of thousands of refugees from Central Europe are settling here, and many of them state that in spite of everything they are still fervent National Socialists, they set up branches of the Nazi party where they meet and study the speeches of Hitler, Goebbels, etc, name their children Adolf, and so on. They explain that we should not be alarmed by this, very few of them have killed a Jew personally even though they all agree in principle.

      Of course, this would not have been tolerated for a moment. Why should we accept it in the case of Muslims? Islam has some superficial similarities to Christianity but also many major differences. Muhammed was not only a religious teacher, he was also a political leader. His teachings, collected as the Koran, concern not only the individual’s relationship with God but also lay down an all-encompassing set of laws to regulate society. Islam is more than what most of us would regard as religion, it is an ideology – and an evil, dangerous one at that.

      • Albert Lane

        There is also plenty of historical evidence that the middle eastern arabs made a pact with the Nazis during the war. However, the PC brigade will never mention it, probably because it could cause problems to them and their families. These people stop at nothing. If you offend their beliefs, then you and those you love are fair game.

    • Pharmachick

      Not all terrorists are Muslim. What about Timothy McVeigh and Ted Kaciznsky (sp?)

      • Albert Lane

        The exception doesn’t disprove the rule.

  • Nechtan

    I expect those non-muslims who would oppose such measures in Australia (and here in NZ if something similar was proposed) as being against human rights etc… most would not have any religious beliefs themselves. Ironically going into bat for a religious system that despises them.

    • Elinor_Dashwood

      Yes, just as I go into bat for people’s right to say things that I don’t agree with.

      • Nechtan

        People do have a right to free speech, but when they call for beheading (as in the picture) or other acts of violence then there should be systems in place to prevent such acts. No ones religious beliefs should impede (or threaten) anyone else. I can’t threaten to kill, why should a religion be able too?

        • mike

          It’s not a right. It’s a privilege.

        • Elinor_Dashwood

          A religion can’t threaten to kill. People can. If people threaten to kill, or indeed kill, they commit crimes and should be punished accordingly.

          • Albert Lane

            They do it in the name of their religion, and their religious books tell them how to do it.

          • Nechtan

            They should be, but they aren’t. The protests down Queen Street last year, calling for the destruction of Israel (8 million odd people) and death to the Jews. Anyone arrested? Let alone charged?

  • axeman

    Why do people hate our democratic & basically Christian value based way of life choose to come here at all got me buggered, but what even confuses me more is how did we let ourselves get conned to letting them in. Airy Fairy, Cuddly Wuddly, lets love everyone sops. I agree with Winston on this we must stop letting anyone in here.

    • Intrigued

      A few reasons why they hate us and come here. Simply put:

      1) the Quran requires of every Muslim to hate the Jews, Christians and infidels (ie anyone who is not muslim) and 2) the Quran requires of its followers the holy obligation to spread Islam throughout the world either by reasoning, taqiyya (ie permissible lies, deception, or blasphemous acts – ie they can say and do anything as long as it is for the good of Islam or in defence of Islam) or by the sword/force and 3) the aim of Islam according to the Quran is to establish a worldwide Islamic state.
      If you don’t believe me, read about it. We all should be schooling ourselves up on this. It is fortunate that the Muslims are being honest about their religion and intentions as revealed in the above article. But will we listen? Will we realise what they are saying is true for them?
      Did you know that New Zealand has a higher population of Muslims per head of population than the USA does? Australia has twice the percentage we have. We must wake up and wise up now before our way of life as we know it is over.

    • Albert Lane

      When you read about the Sydney terrorist in today’s Sydney Daily Telegraph, you will get a good idea how they do it. We all know why they do it.

  • Bartman

    Case closed: ban Islam, which as most know is a sham religion!

    • anonface

      A sham religion? As opposed to the non-sham ones?

  • parorchestia

    Reads like the Old Testament doesn’t it!

  • jay

    Is there a religious movement that has caused a tenth as much harm as Islam? Yet we are fearful of speaking out against it lest we offend its proponents or their right to freedom of religion.

    In a perfect world it would be marginalised and derided in the same way white power and Nazism have been, both of which are religions of sorts.

    If a Nazi walked down Queen Street carrying a sign that said “behead a Jew”, people would throw stones at him, and if he was lucky the cops would lock him up. If I was a member of the Nazi party i would lose all my friends

    Why then do we tolerate this religion that is equally hateful, intolerant and violent?

    • SkeptiK

      Yeah, it Christinanity. Historically maybe caused 10 times more harm. Just saying.

      • The Accountant

        Christianity has evolved. Islam is specifically against evolving because it kills people who question it.

        • SkeptiK

          I agree with that. But I guess Islam came about largely as a result of the Crusades?

          We need to deal with the present not the past but let’s not pretend that current ISIS/Islam is any worse than medieval Christianity.

          • Nechtan

            The crusades came about because of Islam (not the other way). Islam overrun the “Holy Lands” the western nations tried to recapture them.

          • mike

            Crusades came about because of greed on both sides.

          • Albert Lane

            That’s a thousand years ago. It’s history. Old history. If we were ruled by islamic thinking we would have killed all the Germans, the Japanese, the Italians etc when we won the war. We didn’t. They are now our friends and allies. And that’s the big difference between Christianity and Islam.

          • mike

            So when the Muslims invaded Spain in 710 AD they killed and enslaved everybody? Oh wait they didn’t.

            Or how about when the Muslims conquered the Berbers?

            In fact Jews were protected by Islamic Law as Dhimmi’s. You could consider the Arab/Non Jewish citizens in Israel as a form of Dhimmi.

            I’m sure if I looked I could find even more examples.

          • The Accountant

            Never said it wasn’t. My comment relates to the propensity for change. Christianity has proven (for most types) that it can, for the better. Islam repeated confirms that it won’t, because you question the words of the one true prophet.

            For the sake of clarity, I’m an atheist.

          • mark14

            You are missing the point,Christianity is not medieval.

          • BlitzkriegNZ

            Didn’t the crusades come about because Islam was doing what it wants to do now?

          • Intrigued

            Islam did not come about as a result of the crusades. Islam came about as a result of one man apparently having visions and revelations from archangel Gabriel around 610 AD. He began preaching and conversions in his 40s and by around 622AD he and his followers migrated to Medina and united the tribes under the Constitution of Medina. This event for Muslims marks the beginning of the Islamic Calendar.
            The first Christian crusade began in 1095AD some 473 years later. In fact the Christian crusades were more about trying to restore Christian access to holy places that had been lost to the Muslim invaders.

          • Albert Lane

            And look what Muslims are now doing to Christian holy places. The first thing they do is to convert any churches to mosques, or they build mosques on top of other religions holy places. Those are not the actions of a tolerant people. And if they ever get their hands on Israel, the extremists will destroy and defile any non-Muslim holy place, just as they’re doing now in Iraq and Syria.

          • spanishbride

            Note how in Israel they have churches, Mosques and other buildings preserved. They do not destroy historical buildings. Muslims on the other hand do, as if it is not Islamic it has no value.

          • KiwiKaffir

            Boy some of you need some basic history lessons!

          • spanishbride

            The Crusades came about because of the massive influx of Islam that took over and destroyed the Classical World. All other religions were being decimated by it, Hindus, Buddhists , Christians, Jews alike. They burned all the great libraries of the countries and cultures they invaded. I have a History post scheduled in the future where the history of Islam is explained in detail in a video by an expert. The Crusades were in response to a cry for help from the invaded countries. They were meant to be the heroes riding in to save the day. In reality they were slaughtered.

        • anonface

          The Christian bible still has just as much vitriol etc in it.

          Here’s a good start:
          http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

          • The Accountant

            Yes, but current interpretation uses those elements to scare small children and wow people on how far we have come from the bad old days. Islam believes we should still be in the bad old days.

      • Eiselmann

        And in the last century atheist regimes have given us the tender loving Mao and Stalin to name just two …

      • KiwiKaffir

        bollocks, just sayin’

    • Elinor_Dashwood

      If a Muslim commits a crime, he should be punished for it just as anybody else is. That is an entirely legitimate use of force by the State. But it is not the same as punishing people simply for being Muslim. That is not a legitimate use of State power. It would make us hateful and intolerant, which is what you claim to oppose.

    • Hard1

      It is the leaders of Islam who drive the masses to fervent radicalism. How do they live themselves, though ?. Here is just one example that is representative of all rich Muslim leaders who live hedonistic private lives. People are so easily led.

      Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, who seeks to propagate an image of austerity and self-denial, reportedly receives substantial commission payments from Iran’s arms and petroleum industries, while claiming he receives a small salary from the government.
      Khamenei’s true wealth is estimated to be immense, perhaps in the territory of tens of billions of dollars.
      http://www.ibtimes.com/irans-supreme-leader-ayatollah-khamenei-multi-billionaire-bmw-car-dealer-1233899

      • KiwiKaffir

        I think you will find its not just their leaders but their holy book where the problem lays

        • Albert Lane

          Yes. We need a strong United Nations that will sit down and expunge the nasty bits from the Koran and force all countries to introduce the revised version. Only problem is that Muslim kids are taught to memorise the Koran, so they’d still spout off all the nasty bits.

          • kehua

            There is no such thing as a strong UN, it disappeared in the late 1960`s. Radicals of any kind have no respect for humanity nor `Rules`, fanatics have no respect or fear period and are therefore no different than a rabid animal. They should be killed as they would kill you, I am unsure of the answer to the `win by population` strategy that Islam is pursuing, but I do know that it will have a very messy end. Perhaps sooner would be better than later.

          • Albert Lane

            Perhaps when Helen Clark becomes the next secretary-general we might see some changes. As if.

      • Albert Lane

        Well, what about Palestinian (Eqyptian) Yasser Arafat. When he died, he left millions of dollars in his estate. Now how could he save all those millions from a life living in squalor and poverty? And his widow is now in France, and is living on those millions. And I bet those millions were originally gifted from western countries as aid for the poor. He was not as squeaky clean as people say he was, but you’re not allowed to mention it in the Western media (probably not in Palestine either).

        • Hard1

          Albert, only Handy Andy is squeaky clean.

  • Lance Ralph

    I find this argument compelling. I do not consider myself to be racist but I do realise that I must be religionist. I find religion repugnant and I find especially repugnant lines like
    “And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing.”

    • BlitzkriegNZ

      Don’t worry, you’re not racist, Islam isn’t a race.

      • Albert Lane

        By the way don’t forget to look at the news media today and see the article about all the fatwas being placed on people in Malaysia to stop them becoming too westernised.

  • caochladh

    Following on from Hard line Muslims trying to take over school boards and UK schools being marked down for being too white, they are now pinging schools for failure to invite an Imam to address their assembly’s. We must be ever vigilant to stop this sort of nonsense here before some of our more vociferous troughing entities with nothing better to do rear their ugly heads. The HRC comes to mind here. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11173102/Christian-school-downgraded-for-failing-to-invite-an-imam-to-lead-assembly.html

    • Elinor_Dashwood

      Yes, we should not do that sort of thing here.

      • williamabong

        Lest we head down the path already trodden by England, Netherlands Sweden, or Denmark.
        Sadly the methodology that seems follow Islam seems to be “Give us an inch and we will take a mile”.
        We can all sit back and be all sickly white and liberal whilst our country is taken over or we can tell our politicians we want it controlled, case in point the Somali refugees who make no attempt to integrate and are rapidly rising in the global crime statistics,
        Do we want a group of people in our society that regard the abuse of women, paedophilia, and rape as justified in their evil handbook, to become the norm in our country.

  • Greg M

    I would much rather be labelled bigoted, intolerant, insensitive and racist, rather than end up minus my skull in a public street.
    Stop mucking about with these people, and tell them to fit in or fly off.

    • Elinor_Dashwood

      In other words: You’re not prepared to take the slightest personal risk, in defence of the values of tolerance and freedom

      • Nechtan

        When they start exhibiting tolerance and freedom, so can we.

      • spanishbride

        Does this look like the face of someone tolerant of your rights and freedom? Are you prepared to say that you think that Muhummad was wrong to have sex with a 9 year old to his face? Are you prepared to take the personal risk? I would, but only if I was armed and able to defend myself because I am rather fond of my head.

  • The same arguments can be made about the Christian Bible & the Jewish Torah. Do you want to kick all Jews & Christians out of the country too? No the answer is not in banning the Koran, but in getting Islam to GROW UP. To realize that not all the rules & requirements from the 7th Century need to be preserved in the 21st, and infact some are holding them back and in poverty. They in effect need a reformation like christianity had 500 years ago and judaism had from 2000 years of being a persecuted minority.

    Now how do we control the adherents of Islam from following the inapropriate 7th century rules and killing us? Not sure myself, but i think the rules setup late last year are a good first step here in NZ, as Mad Eye Moody was fond of saying, Constant Vigilance.

    • Sorry – you are a mis-understander of Islam. Pop history lesson. Islam already had it’s reformation two hundred years ago. Many Muslims saw their religion as corrupted and failing, indulging in idolatry and worship of saints and so a reform (or return to true Islam) movement led by Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab came to dominate Islamic doctrine and practice. They are now the dominant sect in Islam and with the oil money they have behind them they are spreading their beliefs (which include that all other sects of Islam are apostates) worldwide. A reformation in the Christian church sense won’t happen unless the Salafists are defeated and I don’t see that happening any time soon.

      • Albert Lane

        And that’s why so much money comes out of Saudi Arabia for the construction of mosques all around the western world. And who is amongst the preaches at these mosques? Salafists I believe. And what do they preach? Through WO a few days ago, I googled onto “The Film that uncovers what is really happening in mosques”, and then I realised that big trouble is brewing.

    • KiwiKaffir

      on reading both the koran and the Christian version of the Bible let me say that islam is not a religion like any other. The koran is a book devoted to the hate of non-muslims. you will not find the golden rule or anything like it in the koran.

    • Dave_1924

      Damian – agree they need a reformation.

      But frankly I would prefer until they do that we we severely limit the spread of Islam in the West.. That means stopping immigration into the West, removal of extremist imams from the West and basically our political establishment calling out that the crap spewed by radical Islam is not acceptable in the West. And we should not allow countries like KSA to sponsor Imams and Mosque building in NZ.

      This restriction is agfainst my grain in terms of freedom of expression. But Freedom comes with responsibility and the fundamentalist Muslim demonstrates none of that as they believe the Koran sanctions any means to achieve a world wide Islamic state.

      Islam as it standards and Western Democracy are water and oil – they don’t mix, its that simple.

      • We are in agreement I think, but i am in no hurry to abandon western ideals. Its a problem that needs to be discussed and all we can hope is that somebody a lot cleverer than me can find a solution to this problem without compromising freedom of peaceful religious expression or because of the religion they were born into (and had no choice with) forever condemning them to poverty in backward counties.

    • Albert Lane

      Yes, but when did you last hear of any non-Muslim religion preaching to kill all non-believers? So when did you last hear of any Muslim preacher calling out for non-believers to be killed? And that is the simple difference. However, I put the entire problem down to the fact that there is no real leadership in any Islamic faith. If anybody questions the prophet or the book and suggests different meanings were intended, it’s “off with his head”.

    • dgrogan

      But if no Islamic leader will challenge the teachings in the Quran, [because that would mean he too will lose his head] how will the madness end, other than by dealing to the doctrine?

  • crosstherubicon

    What gets me is people I hear near every day saying ‘Islam is the religion of peace’.
    Just because they hear Obama, Cameron and other world leaders propagating this myth they believe they should say it also.
    I have asked many people who have made this statement to prove this statement, and not one of them can back it up with any evidence.
    The world is in fear of Islam. Europe is on the brink of disaster due to the mass uncontrolled immigration of Muslims to their respective countries.
    The USA is led by someone who is on record as saying ” The world does not belong to them who criticise Islam and the prophet Mohamed”.
    The MSM, our intelligentsia, politicians, celebrities all pander obsequious sycophantically to Islam like it’s the great savior of humanity.
    What’s really happening is they all fear what will happen if they don’t say nice things about the religion of death. They/we have all seen the banners saying “behead them who insult Islam”, “Kill the infidels”. “Sharia law for the UK”, “End democracy in the west Islam and sharia will rule”.
    We have become cowards in the face of this threat because we all know what they will do if we criticise it. Even our own friends and leaders will attack us for our audacity to insult the ‘religion of peace’.
    The paradox of all this is that our supposedly most intelligent have become our most stupid and cowardly in the face of this threat. It is they who we see on our TV screens saying it’s only a tiny minority of Muslims that are the problem, and Christians are just as bad. None can back this up with reasonable debate but because they have their PhD’s and their celebrity in ‘talking cowardly PC’ most of the truly uniformed listen like the sheep they are.
    Islam is a direct threat to our freedoms and will stop at nothing to achieve their aims to stop us talking and criticising. In Europe they (Islam) are achieving their aims in once great countries who are now on the cusp of falling to Islam.
    We should not follow the example of our weak northern hemisphere cousins and say NO to the perpetual open door policy to the immigrants of religion of death and takeover to save ourselves the same fate.

    • Elinor_Dashwood

      Name a person whom you have heard saying “Islam is the religion of peace” within the last week. Name a politician, celebrity, member of our intelligentsia, or provide a link to a media article, pandering obsequious sycophantically to Islam like it’s the great savior of humanity.

      • crosstherubicon

        Obama, Cameron, Miliband, Opra Winfrey, Ben Affleck, and a whole host of other luminaries, celebrities, politicians etc. Are you saying what i’m saying is not true or are you living on Mars and here just visiting?
        Indeed if you are accusing me of somehow lying or playing Devil’s advocate then you truly are very naive.

      • crosstherubicon

        So are you suggesting that from last week they’ve refrained from saying that ‘Islam is the religion of peace’? If so then what’s changed from last week? Your tone seems very agitated at what I’ve said.
        Please tell us what you think about Islam and do you think it’s fair to criticise it or should it be made an offence to critique Islam in any way in the west and should be punishable by law? This is what Muslims in the west are advocating and lobbying western governments to implement. They are literally chipping away at our freedoms and mostly getting away with it too. I’m not going to start looking for evidence of what you ask as you should be informed yourself by researching it. You’re on the internet now so you have access to all the knowledge at your own fingertips to what Islam is doing. Even If I did provide you with evidence you sound like you’re the type that wouldn’t accept it anyway.
        I may be a little presumptuous but this is what I’ve picked up from your reply.
        Anyway ignorance is bliss and I hope you’re very happy.

        • Elinor_Dashwood

          No, I simply think you are exaggerating when you say “the MSM, our intelligentsia, politicians, celebrities all pander obsequious sycophantically” and that you hear people saying “Islam is the religion of peace” nearly every day. Taking issue with the exaggerations and hysteria of some commentators, which is what Ben Affleck appears to have done, or adopting some of the ideas of Sufism to a Christian outlook, which is what Oprah Winfrey appears to have done, is hardly “obsequious sycophantic pandering”.

          No, I most certainly do not think Islam should be protected from criticism. No person, belief or idea should. Yes, some Muslims do want that. I disagree with them and I do not think they should get what they want. Many people want things in New Zealand that I do not agree with. The Green party, Chiefs supporters and Andrea Vance, for example. I disagree with them and I do not think they should get what they want. Does that give me the right to demand that they all be deported or that they be prevented from expressing their views?

          • crosstherubicon

            Like I said.. naive!

      • Honcho

        http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/31-Dec-2014/islam-religion-of-peace-respect-for-humanity-siraj

        There’s one in the last week … why an arbitrary timeframe, one which covers a slow news / holiday period? does this not fit your narrative?

  • steve and monique

    If this religion is preaching death to those who do not believe, then why are they welcome to populate the rest of the World.. Before we are all over taken by these people in the population ratios of our countries, we need to halt the advance of same said religion, by closing borders to those who wish to not fit in, and remove those who wish to propagate hate towards those people/countries, whom they were welcomed as immigrants. Failing now, may mean our children could be at risk of death. And before you say scaremongering, most western populations have a significant percentage of Muslim/Islamic base, and it is increasing buy the day. And as has been seen recently, even being considered not enough of a Muslim, is likely ending in death. Gaddafi once said the Muslims will take over the World without one shot being fired ( or similar). Guess he may be on the money.

    • Simo

      Plenty of shots fired so far and Gaddafi is feeding the worms – thanks to his own

      • steve and monique

        He was talking in reference to the fact Muslim families out breed western families, and then become the dominant race. No more then a numbers game. If western families only have 1.5 children, then their culture can cease to exist in not so many years. Muslim families have 8 children average. Do the math, and you can see we will become a minority in our own country.

        • grumpy

          ……and the only reason they can afford all those children in western countries is because we pay them welfare!

        • Intrigued

          That’s what happened in Lebanon – once the Paris of the East and a politically democratic multicultural society with Christians holding 55% majority up until the mid 60s. Proportionate representation in parliament based on population of ethnic groups in time resulted in the Muslims gaining power not just through force and support from Syria and Iran and the rise of Hezbollah but also through its own outbreeding of the Christians. The Lebanon example is a salutary lesson for all democratic western societies.

          • steve and monique

            This will likely upset western woman, but 2.2(or thereabouts) children is all that is needed to keep a culture alive. Once career took over as a precedence for western woman, and having children took a back step, we reduced the number to
            1.3 children per household. Within I think it is 15-20 years a culture will become a minority in its own home lands at that birth rate.

        • Kiwibabe

          What is happening in Germany is early days and scary.
          Europe is well down the road to returning to the Dark Ages every which way, economically, politically (rise of extreme right who are additionally economically illiterate), socially, plus future internal terrorism and conflicts.
          Idiot PC leaders from UK to Germany are dooming Europe to self destruction.

    • Albert Lane

      Here’s the latest scandal. Have a look at today’s Sydney Daily Telegraph. In it you will find that the terrorist involved in the Lindt hostage-taking should never have got into Australia all those years ago, as he totally made up his story about working for the Iranian secret service. Not only that, his application was supported by a letter from Amnesty International, and they backed up his claims. But only four years ago, the Australian security people were sent a letter telling them that the story was false. And it appears that nothing was ever done about it. And Amnesty haven’t replied to the Daily Tele to confirm that their recommendation came from them. This is going to blow up (figuratively speaking), and heads will roll in Australia (figuratively speaking). This is big. big news. The lies this guy used to get in were amazing, and of course it would probably have been impossible to check them out. But the latest letter looks to have been totally ignored, and look what happened.. I wonder whether our NZ media will carry this story.

    • spanishbride

      He was a wise man. We in the West are so Politically correct that we are scared to offend any one who threatens to behead those who insult their Pedo prophet.We appease, we let it creep into our society and then we become Islamic State number 42. Really it is that simple.

  • KiwiKaffir

    Ban the Koaran! If ythere was ever a book of hate it has to be the koran.

    Check out and support “Proud to be Kaffir’ on facebook https://www.facebook.com/Proudkaffirs

    • Albert Lane

      If I wrote a book promoting the murder of anybody who didn’t agree with my views, it would be banned and I would probably have a visit from some people wearing navy blue uniforms. So why isn’t this hate book banned from our shelves? Surely there must be a valid reason………

      • Kiwibabe

        Correct, and reason is weak kneed political correctness madness.
        Ban the Quran from NZ, and deport anyone who breaks that law or objects. Ok I’m dreaming!

  • timemagazine

    Koran was never writte by Mohamed. He never new how to read and write. For 40 years it was not written. There was a fellow called Muawiyah, something like that, who killed Hazrat Ali, Mohamed’s son. He was the second caliph. The first one died very early. Then he killed the third one also. Then he killed the forth one, just to himself become caliph. And the liver of the forth caliph was eaten by his mother of this horrible fellow, who hated women. So he puts it down in the Koran, all the things against women and people accepted it because it is in the Koran.

  • exactchange

    Haven’t seen much at all in the media but China is cracking down on Uighur Muslims. China’s rationale seems to be the there is an increasing number of Uighur signing up to be trained by or to fight with ISIS. In some areas where Uighur live, burqas are forbidden in public.

    Well this is China, so who really knows what’s going on. China is not known for a softly softly approach so it will be interesting to see how this all pans out for the Uighur. I am sure China will not allow a caliphate to be established on its territory.

    • Albert Lane

      The Chinese do not take prisoners. We could learn something from them.

    • spanishbride

      The Chinese will be brutal and will therefore solve the problem before it grows strong roots. We here in the west nurture the plant, sing to it, cuddle it and only when we find it curling around our necks and choking us to death will we attempt to uproot it. Of course it will no longer be a mere plant by then but a strong tree.

    • Kiwibabe

      Correct, as the Chinese are not so stupid as to effectively hand the future of their country to non Chinese. Fundamental one would have thought.

  • Bazza63

    The guy holding up the sign is insulting Islam, so maybe he should behead himself?

    • Simo

      In these PC times its not likely to happen…..

  • paul468

    We just need to take the same but opposite point of view. Behead / slay / kill those who practice islam.

  • Kiwibabe

    The photo is just one of thousands of illustrations which prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that elements within Islamic societies are brutally at war with each other, and with non-Muslims. Allowing ANY Islamic people into your country is to allow future terrorism to become part of your national future.
    You cannot filter out potential or candlestine terrorists, so stopping immigration of all Muslims and “eat pork” at port entries are the only ways to avoid becoming increasingly like Pakistan, Afganistan, all other “stans”, North Africa (think Sadan and many more), and the whole of the Mliddle East.
    Internal and external warring among Muslims has throughout history been indemic and for the foreseeable future, perhaps for ever, will remain so.
    The West is incredibly naive, politically correct, more like gutless and stupid.

  • Josey

    Islam declared war on the West on 11th Sept 2001.

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