Islam terror comes to Paris: 12 dead in attack on newspaper

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Thibault Camus, AP via MSN

 

 

Three masked gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar!” stormed the Paris offices of a satirical newspaper Wednesday, killing 12 people, including its editor, before escaping in a car. It was France’s deadliest postwar terrorist attack.

Security forces were hunting for the gunmen who spoke flawless, unaccented French in the military-style noon-time attack on the weekly newspaper Charlie Hebdo, located near Paris’ Bastille monument. The publication’s caricatures of the Prophet Muhammed have frequently drawn condemnation from Muslims.

President Francois Hollande called the slayings “a terrorist attack without a doubt,” and said several other attacks have been thwarted in France “in recent weeks.”

France raised its security alert to the highest level and reinforced protective measures at houses of worship, stores, media offices and transportation. Schools closed across Paris, although thousands of people jammed Republique Square near the site of the shooting to honor the victims.

Top government officials held an emergency meeting and Hollande planned a nationally televised address later Wednesday evening.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack, which also left four people critically wounded, and was condemned by world leaders as an attack on freedom of expression, but praised by supporters of the militant Islamic State group.

Clad all in black with hoods and carrying machine guns, the attackers forced one of the cartoonists arriving at the office building with her young daughter to open the door with a security code.

The staff was in an editorial meeting and the gunmen headed straight for the paper’s editor, Stephane Charbonnier — widely known by his pen name Charb — killing him and his police bodyguard first, said Christophe Crepin, a police union spokesman. Minutes later, two men strolled out to a black car waiting below, calmly firing on a police officer, with one gunman shooting him in the head as he writhed on the ground, according to video.

Ten journalists and two police office were killed, Crepin said, including one assigned as Charb’s bodyguard and another who had arrived on the scene on a mountain bike. Among the dead were Bernard Maris, an economist who a contributor to the newspaper and was heard regularly on French radio, and Georges Wolinski, a celebrated cartoonist who also worked for Paris Match magazine.

“Hey! We avenged the Prophet Muhammad! We killed Charlie Hebdo,” one of the men shouted in French, according to a video shot from a nearby building and broadcast on French TV. Other video showed two gunmen in black at a crossroads who appeared to fire down one of the streets. A cry of “Allahu akbar!” — Arabic for “God is great”— could be heard among the gunshots.

The video showed the killers moving deliberately and calmly. One even bent over to toss a fallen shoe back into the small black car before it sped off. The car was later found abandoned in northern Paris, police said.

Luc Poignant of the SBP police union said the attackers switched to another vehicle that had been stolen.

Corinne Rey, the cartoonist who said she was forced to let the gunmen in, said the men spoke fluent French and claimed to be from al-Qaida. In an interview with the newspaper l’Humanite, she said the entire shooting lasted perhaps five minutes.

The security analyst group Stratfor said the gunmen appeared to be well-trained, “from the way they handled their weapons, moved and shot. These attackers conducted a successful attack, using what they knew, instead of attempting to conduct an attack beyond their capability, failing as a result.”

Both al-Qaida and the Islamic State group have repeatedly threatened to attack France. Just minutes before the attack, Charlie Hebdo had tweeted a satirical cartoon of the Islamic State’s leader giving New Year’s wishes.

Charlie Hebdo has been repeatedly threatened for its caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad and other sketches. Its offices were firebombed in 2011 after an issue featured a caricature of the prophet on its cover. Nearly a year later, the publication again published Muhammad caricatures, drawing denunciations from the Muslim world because Islam prohibits the publication of drawings of its founder.

Another cartoon, released in this week’s issue and entitled “Still No Attacks in France,” had a caricature of a jihadi fighter saying “Just wait — we have until the end of January to present our New Year’s wishes.” Charb was the artist.

“This is the darkest day of the history of the French press,” said Christophe DeLoire of Reporters Without Borders.

In the winter 2014 edition of the al-Qaida magazine Inspire, a so-called chief describing where to use a new bomb said: “Of course the first priority and the main focus should be on America, then the United Kingdom, then France and so on.”

In 2013, the magazine specifically threatened Charb and included an article titled “France the Imbecile Invader.”

An al-Qaida tweeter who communicated Wednesday with AP said the group is not claiming responsibility, but called the attack “inspiring.”

This is global civil war.

We are being put into a position where we have to defend the freedoms we take for granted.

New Zealand can, and must, prevent this by acting proactively.

At this stage, a change in immigration policy should be enough.

 

– Samuel Petrequin, Angela Charlton, Sylvie Corbet, John Leicester, Sarah el-Deeb, AP

 


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  • Pete

    ..and of course, we will be hearing from the “It will never happen here” brigade in the media shortly. The sooner the western/christian world wakes up to that fact that this is a war to these muslim terrorists, the safer we will all be.

    • Not so sure. The media generally get in behind their own. I suspect there will be some tense moments in the editorial office as they have to pick between taking it personally as journalists and continuing their pro-islam anti-government lines.

      Still feels better on this side of the world, doesn’t it Pete? Let’s hope we never get to this point.

      • Quinton Hogg

        Some of our leading journalists will be reflecting on their views about free speech.
        Many of those journalists gleefully commentated (if not participated) in the attack on this site which was designed to shut it down as well as cam.
        Now if they suddenly and solemnly condemn the attack on the French newspaper, an attempt to shut it down in simple terms, they will be seen to be the utter hypocrites they are.
        Jessica Williams excluded as she has demonstrated that she is too dim to understand the issue.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    Outraged, what a disaster to wake up to.

    I feel sick as it appears its French nationals who are the terrorists. A tough blow to deal when they are from within their own borders. The French I’m sure will deal to this speedily

    Hypocracy at its deadliest as they have no qualms using blunt satire
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/ISSantaHostage.jpg

    • They won’t be French nationals. They will be Muslims who hold a French passport of convenience. They are as French as my left boot.

      • Cadwallader

        Many Muslims who reside in Algeria speak fluent French but their “Frenchness” ends about there. Mind you 50 odd years ago the guillotine operated by imperial France against locals in Algeria ran very hot. Algeria remains an indictment against imperialism despite the religious status of the adversaries.

    • LesleyNZ

      They may speak French fluently and have been born in France but I wonder where did their parents come from. I hope these evil murdering thugs are caught.

  • The first report I saw on this was a BBC one and the cover of the Charlie Hebdo magazine was pixelated so as to not offend Muslims. Free speech? What a joke.

    • dgrogan

      And so what does this tell these deranged, Muslim scumbags? That murder and mayhem gives them exactly what they want.

    • papagaya

      Fortunately gawker has stepped up and is running images from the mag.

      • Cowgirl

        These terrorist idiots really need to learn that killing people in the name of something is a sure-fire way to ensure the widespread dissemination of it.

    • caochladh

      A bit like the total embargo of all the details of the driver and his two friends sitting in the cab of the bin lorry that wiped out the people in Glasgow. It is being reported now that they were all Muslim’s too.

  • (pic)

    • dumbshit

      does Jessica think that a “family conference” and a cuddle will sort the problem?

    • I have no idea who Jessica Williams is but she is typical of those who cannot see that this is already political. Islam is a political system that wants total control over everything. It is not a religion in the sense that Westerners see religion. It covers every aspect of life from governance, to family law and foreign policy. So Jessica, whoever you are, too late. Every Islamic terrorist act is a political action.

      • Sally

        Jessica is political journalist for Radio Live.

        • MAWG

          If Jessica is a political journalist, then in one tweet she has proved herself unqualified for the position.

          • Cadwallader

            She is more of an Agony Aunt than a political journalist. Radio Live seems to be a desert for analytical thought.

        • Really? And she is that naive? Is that a required “skill” now or something for radio jounalists?

    • LesleyNZ

      I am no fan of Matthew Hooton – He does speak truth here. Jessica uses the name of Jesus as a profanity in her tweet. What do Christians do in response? Christians will tell Jessica that Jesus is the saviour of the world and they won’t run after the likes of Jessica and chop a head off or murder.

    • ozbob68

      This is political already. This is violence being used to suppress contrary opinions of a political system (islam). Could this be a watershed moment for the west vs Islam?

    • Yeah Matthew, it was just a couple of lone nutters.

      • terrynaki

        seriously? you think this was just a few random idiots?
        Get real.

        • *Sigh*

          • the use of /sarc is needed, otherwise you’ll end up with that.

    • bristol

      Never mind the wholesale slaughter of those going about their lawful business. No doubt Jessica and her ilk are already anguishing over the plight of the real victims here, those poor Muslims who may have to suffer the indignity of someone looking at them in a funny way over the next few days.

    • Nechtan

      Well Jessica, I would have thought terror attacks were political in that they are pushing an agenda.

    • What would Jessica suggest? Sleeping with the enemy?

      • Works for Matthew :)

    • Damon Mudgway

      Jesus Jessica, how is this politics and NOT religion. Let me see, your position in an Islamic state: On your knees, in the kitchen, with your mouth firmly shut.

  • pic

    • Quinton Hogg

      Heh, good cartoon and so accurate on some many levels.

    • Cowgirl

      My French friend on Facebook has one of the cartoons of Mohammed uncensored on his page this morning.

    • Cadwallader

      At the time of the shock/horror of the Danish cartoons the only publication of them in NZ was in The Free Radical, the magazine published by members of the Libertarianz. The msm was wary of offending Islamos.

      I have copies of the Danish cartoons to this day, frankly, if they provoke Islamos then Islamos have too little to think about. I suppose you would get a bit of ennui sitting in the desert trying to decide who in the West is best to next attack….and there’s no captives to behead to while away an afternoon with your goats.

      • Cam / Whaleoil ran that cartoon as well.

        • Cadwallader

          I apologise, my mistake. I may not have had a PC at the time.

  • Greg M

    Once again I await the namby pamby panty waist liberal westerners to call for calm and tolerance, when what is needed is the exact opposite.
    When is the western world going to grow some cajones and start to fight back ?

    • yoyoyo

      at what point do we as private citizens need to take a stand?

      the time has come… but what can we do that will be effective…???

      this is for the very future of our children’s children.

  • Sally

    Hope our spy agencies have every scource available to them to do their job. We need them to protect our freedom.

    • Chiefsfan73

      But wussel is concerned about our privacy, cough cough

  • steve and monique

    Time for the west to get tough. This PC rubbish promoted by our so called leaders is the reason these mongrels have been able to continue. Close the borders to Muslims. Kick out any causing, or acting out in the countries they chose to immigrate to. If not we will all have to put up with more headlines like this one.

    • Albert Lane

      What we need to do urgently is to re-define the word ‘treason” and to institute very tough penalties, including deportation of any guilty party’s entire family. We need a deterrent. A very strong deterrent. Islamic terrorism is not something they are born with, it’s something they learn. The best way to stop them learning hatred is to get rid of those who teach the hatred. That’s where it all starts.

  • conwaycaptain

    The Daily Telegraph is now saying that the anti Islam movement has now moved from the Right Wing Parties like Front Nationale in France to the middle of the road mainstream Parties.
    No matter what Mutti Merkel says about not taking part in anti Islam Marches I think that the fight back has started.
    The French Police after having several member murdered will not be holding back. Any demos in Paris by Muslims and Les Flics are called in Look Out.

  • rua kenana

    Headlines on this refer to “rivers of blood”.
    Now we’ve heard that one before, but which politicians have ever cared?

    • Cadwallader

      Only one politician as I recall. This is not yet a river though, we are simply witnessing the seeds of a world war between the religion of peace and the rest of us. A decent war requires retaliation form the side first attacked, when will that be? Today I would hope!

      • Richard

        These particular little seeds were planted in France a long time ago, so long ago they now have perfect French accents and are now trees big enough to be used as firewood to raze France to the ground.

        This is the long game Islam has been playing, divide and conquer, over populate and over run. NZ still has options.

    • Disinfectant

      Enoch Powell, Conservative M.P. made a speech which did not include the phrase “rivers of blood”.
      What he said was; “As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding: like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River Tiber foaming with much blood”.
      This speech was made whilst he was criticising both ‘Commonwealth Immigration’ and ‘Anti-discrimination Legislation’.

  • sarahmw

    I wonder if Angela Merkel is rethinking her comments about tolerance towards Islam. When will the world understand that this a very dangerous time and it is our fault. Why? We let these people into our countries without any question. This is what they aim for, free access. Embedded they can carry out their mission which is to rid the world of infidels, and that is us, you and me. Nz needs to halt immigration now and put on watch all that are already here. This is the tip. This attack was a planned reconned attack, very well planned according to an ops expert on CNN.

    • Rex

      Merkel along with other leaders in Europe is going to bring about decades and decades of muslim atrocities to EU Countries due to there weasley attitudes.

  • Chiefsfan73

    Who worships 50 something pedophiles these days anyway, that is so 7th century

  • Murray Smith

    Oh dear, who knows ?
    http://stopwar.org.uk/news/paris-massacre-lessons-that-need-to-be-learned-by-our-war-making-governments

    Another take by some,

    ie………..In France, there is a very strong far right party in the shape of the Front National, and the country has legislated some of the worst restrictions on Muslims — for example over wearing the hijab. In Germany, the anti Islamic Pergida demonstrations have linked Muslims to crime. Levels of racism in Britain have grown, focussed both on immigrants and on Muslims.

    The latest attack will lead to a greater backlash and greater levels of Islamophobia. But it is not Muslims who are the problem but the foreign policies that have helped create terrorism. That is what needs to change.

    Source: Stop the War Coalition

    • Intrigued

      This “Stop the War” article is the kind of chest beating apologist propaganda that feeds right into the Islamic plan to rule the world. When will these PC idiots wake up and realise that it is the Muslims that have caused all the wars that the West has been dragged into not the other way around?

    • jay

      How many churches are there in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan etc? About none I would say thanks to the intolerance of those countries. Yet when the french ban the burka for a number of very good reasons, not the least of which is that they expect immigrants to assimilate into the culture of the country they have chosen to live in, they get the blame for terrorism

      Victim blaming much?

      And when Muslim gunman shoot twelve people in cold blood because they are offended by their drawings, we worry that this might spark Islamaphobia.

      A phobia is an irrational fear. Fear of Islam is now nothing but common sense.

  • Salacious Crumb

    The media here seem to be reciting of the “they are a provocative newspaper” line.
    Where is the outright condemnation? The time has come for them to stop pansying around and call it what it is.

    • Cadwallader

      Let’s just imagine that Cam was still editing the Truth and an atrocity had been executed against the publication, its editor and its staff. Who would be seen to have “provoked” that attack and therefore guilty of some degree of incitement? Readers of this blogg can figure out the approach of the msm.

  • Thersites

    One of the very first works of French literature is “The Song Of Roland,” it is about a battle in which the the rearguard of Charlemagne’s army, commanded by Roland, is wiped out by a Moslem ambush in the Pyrenees. The disaster occured because of treason by one of the French leaders, Ganelon.

    France has produced too many Ganelons in recent years, men and women prepared to sell out their country for the benefit of Moslems. At the present time the French have an unenviable reputation for cowardice and taking the soft option.

    However it was also a French leader, Charles Martel, who turned back the victorious Moslem armies at the Battle of Tours. Perhaps Madame la President Le Pen will be the one to lead the long overdue resistance to the Islamification of Europe (it won’t be Frau Merkel, that’s for sure). We can but hope!

  • Tom

    You have to ask yourself: ‘Do I want to see this happening on Albert St?”

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eea_1420632587

    • LesleyNZ

      Awful. It could happen.

    • cronus.nz

      This video has sub titles though is far more graphic of the Terrorists executing the Police Officer.

  • Richard McGrath

    When will we stop pussyfooting around with Muslims? Tear down all mosques in New Zealand and place all Muslims into prison camps. We are now at war with these death cult worshippers and are behaving like Neville Chamberlain when the Churchill approach is needed.

    • LesleyNZ

      This is a bit harsh. I have Muslim friends and they too would be appalled at what happened in Paris. I think this present horrible and evil time in the world is very difficult for them – by association. One of my Muslim friends is into saving lives.

      • sin-ic

        But will they publicaly stand up and declare their shame and denounce the perpetrators?
        We are still waiting for the denunciation of the 9/11 tradegy, and the celebrations of Arabs around the world for ‘Muslim” atrocities from ANY of their heirachy for these heinous deeds.
        The so called ‘moderates’ are only peaceful until they feel they have the strength and backing to carry out the teachings of the Qu’ran. That obscene text is their ‘bible’ and what ISIS is doing is just carrying out it’s instructions.

        • Rod

          No they won’t. So however peaceful they may appear to be, they need to be treated as the enemy unless proven otherwise. We all know lying is condoned by Islam in order to further their cause.

        • NotGandalf

          Go to a mosque, talk to a Muslim, ask and find out. Will you even believe what they tell you? Look into their eyes as I have done. I have worked, and still work, with Muslim’s and found them to be pleasant, polite and intelligent – I cant terll you about people I haven’t met though.

    • I think you’re going too far there. There is a point in between cowering and doing nothing (what we have been doing) and what you suggest.

      First sign of trouble from any individual however, and I’m happy to see them dealt with as a threat to NZ sovereignty.

    • Sally

      We are about freedom here. What you suggest is automatically denying apart of our population that freedom.
      What I want to see is a close watch on those who want to destroy our freedom.

      • Cadwallader

        Can Islamos be truly described as “apart” (sic) of our population when they enter this country with little or no regard for our traditions and values? If mosques in NZ were to be destroyed (I don’t support this though) is it any different to our culture being attacked/destroyed by Islamos?

        • Sally

          What about the Muslims who are born and breed NZers who go about their everyday business just like you and I. Are they to be denied their freedom?

          • Cadwallader

            The difficulty I have with your question is the use of “Muslims.” The most under-represented and most prejudiced minority is the human individual. Once we clear the desks of all of the labels i.e. racial, ethnic, political, etc…we are left with the core components of society, the individuals who comprise it. I can work/live with anyone who is an individual but my reservations as to tribal affiliations are strong. In NZ so often an individual’s needs/opinions are framed in the form of a collective mass. Think about Hone’s liberal use of the term “Maori needs”(this is used solely as an example) rather than addressing individual needs. The collective path is a dupe to claim wide support for marginal interests. If you like working with Muslims as you say, that is fine but remember you are working with individuals who just happen to be muslims. The difference is diametric.

          • Albert Lane

            During WW2 all Germans and Japanese in NZ were denied their freedom. I don’t think they differentiated between the good ones and the bad ones (if there actually were any bad ones).

    • Odd Ball

      Surely you jest?, if not I guess you aren’t who I thought you were.

    • NotGandalf

      This is not a hate site. What you seem to be advocating is akin to Nazi death camp mentality and would never work in NZ anyway, too many moderates and lefties. If you adopt a scattergun approach to dealing with Islamic extremists then you will end up shooting your own foot. Identify the cancerous elements domestically and remove them, yes, they don’t stay hidden for long. Any individual who dares to put my family at risk should be met with direct and decisive action, however a Muslim witch hunt is not the way to go.

    • Callum M

      Wow…. really? 21 people agree with this s h t

    • [MOD] I have left this up so it can be openly debated. The writer, however, is on a commenting holiday. I’ve taken note of the people who upvoted this over-the-top comment, and they will be on a short commenting leash.

    • Albert Lane

      During WW2, all Japanese and Germans living in NZ were interned, not only for their safety, but for the safety of NZ. That was a declared war. The war with Islam is undeclared. At some stage (heaven forbid) there may be some awful occurrence here or in some other place in the world that will result in a declaration of war. Then we’ll have to resurrect the camps again.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    French president. Good sledge message to killers
    “…… their message of freedom we shall keep on defending it in their name..” Good one immediate retaliation albeit with words scaremongering is what these “insolent” killers relate to and thus a start

  • steve and monique

    I wonder if starting an online petition re immigration for Muslims could take off? I believe 99% of the country would be behind it

  • idbkiwi
    • Rex

      I see Merkel has sent her sympathies! As far as I am concerned her appeasement of Islam and willingness to bring in tens of thousands of muslim refugees is making the whole situation in Europe worse!

      • Damon Mudgway

        Agree Rex. Merkel is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

        • Albert Lane

          Merkel actually inherited the problem. I spent some time in Germany in 1979. Even then there were a large number of Gast Arbeiters (guest workers) in West Germany, as there was a shortage of unskilled labour. I believe that most of the workers came from Turkey. But even then they were despised by law-abiding Germans, as the crime rate amongst the workers was very high. So it’s historical. Once you start bringing them in, and when you have democracy coupled with extreme PC, the doors have to open. And they have, it seems.

  • symgardiner

    Now it is game on. The French will now go an mess IS up. Not with regular forces. They are too soft. Watch for deployments of the Foreign Legion, some jets and a carrier.

  • Rex

    It WILL happen here one day I’m afraid to say. I’m not scare mongering but I would put money on it happening in the next 3 years. And if the likes of the Greens, NZ First and Maori Party had, had their way we would not even have any security intelligence! Keep secure Cameron because I,am sure you would be on these “people’s?” list!

    • Richard

      Ironic isn’t it, on the one hand Winston won’t back the new security legislation, and on the other he wants to stand at the border turning away immigrants and blow raspberries at them.

      • Rex

        He does that because he thinks there are votes in it. Being a horse loving guy you would think he would know he has put his money on the wrong Gee Gee. It’ll be Ron Mark at the next election and I think he might have more clues being an ex Army man.

  • Eiselmann

    When will enough be enough? The apologists will be out in force on this one , blame the victims for antagonising Muslims, of course the apologists have no issue with any other group or organisation being mocked. Madonna in a condom-thats freedom of expression (yeah and won’t get you killed , maybe prayed for, but not killed) Anti -semetic cartoon in Iran (of course its wrong, I guess ,but hey what are you going to do -complain about freedom of expression) ,
    We send people to fight forest fires , they risk their lives to do so ,but eventually those fires are defeated saving lifes , property, animals and the forest itself. Ignore the forest fire and it will consume all that it can until there’s nothing left for it to destroy………..when will the world realise Islam and its teachings are ithe one fire we can’t ignore, to do so will one day see the loss of everything we hold dear.

  • TSD

    Oh can please please please get us Russel’s opinion on this. We really need to know how this is our fault for not bringing them lovingly into our lives and selling our wives and daughters to them.

  • Mark Chapman

    Ah religion, the great unifier and bringer of peace…. only a few hundred years ago the Christians were rampaging through the middle east “spreading gods word” – isn’t this just the modern version of the same thing ?

    • Doc45

      It takes a some revisionism to make that conclusion. But don’t let that spoil a ‘good story’.

    • CheesyEarWax

      The difference is Christianity has evolved but Islam cannot.

      • Cadwallader

        They both worship spookiness so neither Islam nor Christianity have gone anywhere. How can any faith which requires the suspension of common sense be said to have “evolved?” The suggestion is contemptible.

        • The difference Cadwaller is, that while Christians may tell me that I might go to hell, Muslims want to send me there.

          • Cadwallader

            In other words….no difference at all.

          • There is a huge difference. One is a philosophical argument about an afterlife that I may or may not believe in. The other is someone who wants to terminate my existence because I don’t believe as they do.

      • LesleyNZ

        Christianity has not evolved – the Christian message in the Bible is for all times – the message is the the same yesterday, today and forever – time immemorial. It is men who have changed (or as you say “evolved”) the Christian religion – and IMO when that happens the Christian religion is not the Biblical Christian religion I believe in.

        • [MOD] let’s leave that here. I don’t want a debate on Christianity on this topic.

      • Mark Chapman

        Ah – no.
        They both believe in an imaginary deity, that apparently created the entire universe to have an exclusive relationship with humans – that’s not evolving.

        • [MOD] this stops here. I don’t want this to branch out on a general debate of atheism v religion.

    • Rex

      Maybe Mark we became civilised. Maybe Islam stayed in the Middle Ages!

    • Actually the Crusades were defensive in nature, after a hammering of nearly 500 years where most of Spain was lost, and a good portion of those living on the Mediterranean had been repeatedly attacked.

    • rua kenana

      As a bit of history, the Muslims were rampaging through Europe “spreading god’s word” over a rather longer timespan.
      From Charles Martel’s stopping the Muslims at Tours in France in 732 to Eugene of Savoy (among others) doing similarly at Vienna and Senta (in Serbia) in late 1600’s.
      What’s happening in Europe today (also here if our polititians don’t wake up) is just a continuation of longstanding historical attempts at Muslim takeover. I’m not impressed by a lot of what the Christians did, but it could be argued that they were just fighting like with like and that it wasn’t the Christians who started it.

    • Damon Mudgway

      The big difference for ‘me’ Mark, is that my children are alive for this jihad.

      • Mark Chapman

        And your great great great grandparents weren’t possibly effected by, or witness to religious fanaticism of some sort ?

    • Nechtan

      Nearly a thousand years ago, and they were intended to recapture lands lost to Islam.

      • LesleyNZ

        I was just going to post the same. The Crusades happened to retrieve land taken by Islam – which was taken in the first instance – by the sword. Nothing has changed has it? Islam still takes by the sword.

    • sin-ic

      The Crusades was to “liberate” Jerusalem. The Crusaders got a very bad press by forcibly “recruiting” fit men on their way to J’lem, whilst committing rape and pillage on the way. The moral of that story was lost on both sides.

      • Nechtan

        Rape and pillage along with enforced recruiting, massacre of prisoners etc… standard practise for all armies back then.

      • LesleyNZ

        Called a double-edged sword? It was the Catholic Church – there is a big difference between Catholic and Christian.

        • sin-ic

          That is calling “the pot calling the kettle black”

        • friardo

          Oh, Catholics aren’t Christians then?
          Sharia isn’t Islam?

    • Michael_l_c

      You are not suggesting what happened several hundred years ago in a totally different society justifies what is happening now?

      • Mark Chapman

        Absolutely not at all – simply an observation of the way in which religious fanatics behave now and historically.

    • Cadwallader

      A more recent and vile relationship was the one cultivated by the Nazis with the Mufti of Jerusalem. That was a dark partnership based on a conjoined wish to destroy Jews. The hatred of Jews by the Nazis ran its course but the hatred breasted by the Islamos clearly has not.

  • Eiselmann

    We mock the French Military and its so easy to do , as Patton(can’t believe I’m quoting him) said he’d rather ‘…a German Division in front of him than a French one behind him’. However the French people (some of them) show true courage in the face of adversity , so hats off to those who have been killed, for not cowering in the face of the irrational and the violent …hopefully one day your colleagues around the world will show as much fortitude and your loss will not be in vain….

  • kiwihornplayer

    Remember that NZ has a virtually unarmed Police service. At least the bicycle Policeman in Paris was carrying a sidearm even though he was overcome by surprise.

    The best thing New Zealanders can do is start applying for firearm licenses if they do not have one yet or they have let it lapse due to the red tape surrounding these things today.

    • Damon Mudgway

      The Islamic threat to kiwi cops is no different than any other western country. That people in this country think otherwise is akin to the recent Greenies protest in burying their heads in the sand.

  • Macca

    So how many more of these atrocities need to take place before the morons from the left in this country (both political and those in the MSM), get it through their thick skull that the IS threat is real!

    I’ve had a guts full of the likes of Labour, the Greens and NZ First posturing about and braying of some sort of political win against National by reducing the proposed surveillance laws by 24 hours – and all the while trumpeted by their pathetic puppets in the media! If a genuine threat is suspected, surveillance should be unlimited!

    No sooner than Key tells of a number of suspected terrorists in this country, we have morons like Norman and some liberal professor getting top news billing over all stations accusing JK of massively over exaggerating the situation and trying to use IS as an excuse to up our spy agencies powers..

    I hate to say it but I’m coming to the realization that it is going to take some type of incident here in NZ before our own media and the left take it seriously. Our own media will give this heinous deed in France top billing for the next 2-3 days and in the very next news article bag National for spying. Words fail me!

    • BlitzkriegNZ

      Nah nothing will change, remember the violent ones are just mentally ill now.

      • The Accountant

        Yes. In this case at least four well trained, coordinated, equiped, prepared mentally ill people.

    • Kevin

      But don’t you know it’s all our fault by, I don’t know, sending soldiers to Iraq, supporting Israel, being Westerners, eating pork (mmmm, bacon), and God, I mean Allah, knows what else, …

      And Islamists are anti-American which makes them anti-capitalists which makes them the perfect the enemy of my enemy is my friend buddies for Lefties.

      • Cadwallader

        As it happens somebody nearby seems to be cooking breakfast bacon outside….aromas aromas. Ought I leap the fence behead the cook then eat the bacon?

  • 1951

    MSM…..we need to see you do your job this time.

    • They won’t

      • 1951

        I fear that too. Just sent text to Kerre at zb…”don’t blame the victim. Time to call it for what it is…”

    • Skydog

      They won’t have the stones to do the job required. I read above BBC has pix- elated out a cartoon.

      • 1951

        They are on the Frontline. Will be interesting to see if any change in direction occurs following this. It may be wise to just “Keep Calm…..” for now.

  • spanishbride

    Cartoonists and Journalists the world over MUST come out in solidarity. Our Media talk and write about Press Freedom, well now they need to fight for it. They must stop cuddling the religion of ‘ peace ‘ and call it out for what it is. They are waging not only a physical war against us but a propaganda war through Youtube, twitter and facebook. Our Media need to fight back by spreading the message that we are all under attack and we will NOT back down. This is world war three and I type that with a heavy heart. Appeasement does not work.I will continue my posts telling the truth about Islam and I will not be frightened into submission.

    • Catriona

      Islam, as the world presently sees it, is not a religion of peace. I do hope Russell Norman and his ilk take time to rethink their strategies on the GSCB Bill. NZ needs to tighten up it’s security even more given these atrocities because to think ‘it won’t happen here’ puts all NZer’s at risk.
      They should consider passing an urgent Bill when the House resumes and get rid of anyone forthwith they consider a threat to our national security.
      These crazy people whip themselves into a frenzy and believe that gunning down anyone who disagrees with their principles and ideology is perfectly acceptable. I want future generations to grow without the fear of being murdered by some crazy Jihadist born & bred in NZ.

      • Rod

        I wouldn’t grace Islam with the label of “religion”. It is a hateful and despicable doctrine.

        • Catriona

          Yes, we shouldn’t refer to Islam as ‘religion’. Apologies. It is, as you say a ‘hateful and despicable doctrine’. And the thing is that they are indoctrinating their small innocent children that the non-Muslims are despicable.

          • friardo

            Islam certainly is a religion, the issue you refer to is that it is also social and political. In that it differs from other religions only in the strength of the ties between such notions. It was largely the separation of state from religion that drove the rise of tolerance in the west over the centuries. Of course such tolerance has lead to very widespread abandonment of religion as being pointless. Now that profoundly disturbs Islamic leaders.

      • kehua

        Russell Norman and his ilk are irrelevent, by even considering them as pertinenet gives them strength. They are the fringe people that will never achieve heir ideals and as such are the nobodies of our communities.

        • Cadwallader

          Your second sentence is apt. It applies to the Greenies in NZ as much as to any other collective of nutters.

  • Blue Tim

    Another atrocity. We must not let the so called peace loving Muslims get their way. It’s been ok to take the piss out of Christianity and criticise the Israelis for protecting their people and boarders yet we have pandered to these scum. I say the agencies that protect our boarders and watch for potential threat are supplied with all the tools they need to keep these scum out.

  • 40something

    I think this says it all…

  • Day Day

    Marine Le Pen will sort this monkey business out.

  • Captain Darling

    Let’s keep these “offensive” cartoons coming.

  • Captain Darling

    More offence.

  • McGrath

    The bottom line however is that Nothing will be done in NZ as offending Islamic countries will impact export receipts.

  • Kevin

    Dealing with Islamists is quite simple and how do it is described in that treatise on terrorism – Batman, the Dark Knight – when Alfred is asked how he dealt with a particular terrorist. His reply? “We burnt the whole forest down.”

    In other words you destroy them utterly and completely.

  • With the level of madness of these bigots I do hope Cam and team are keeping safe. WO tends to call it as it is and is a still small voice standing up to Islam … the MSM tend to report details and outrage and avoid critical comment.

  • BrutusIscariot

    The only solution is to reduce Muslim immigration to the West to zero.

    This is a shocking wake up call and reminder that Islam opposes every western advance in thought and culture of the last 1000 years.

    The Far Right in Europe will get a huge lift from this electorally. The irony is that if mainstream parties had listened earlier, it wouldn’t be the extremists who would benefit.

  • Josey

    Islam is an intolerant religion. Case in point if you are Muslim and want to marry a non- muslim you could lose your life. We are told by politicians to be tolerant of islam, well in my book truth does not take preference over the truth.

  • spanishbride

    I felt compelled to make this image this morning after reading this article. Harry Potter fans will know what I am getting at.

  • Josey

    Has anybody noticed the media in NZ or aussie that Angola has banned Islam? not one little peep.

  • Greg M

    The apologists have started already and it’s doing my head in. “If you poke a wasp nest with a stick you might get stung”, ummm no, where I come from you destroy the wasp nest to remove the threat.

    • Cadwallader

      If you give a wasps’ nest a decent enough kick or pour petrol into it they tend to disperse and don’t come back. This is a practical approach although not without a metaphor or two….!

  • Excitedly awaiting Whodunnit

    Whats scary is that as a normal citizen we can do nothing but express our concern and push for change with our politicians and media. But if they wont do anything what do we do next? Arm ourselves? Stockpile food etc? Against what or who, because there is no bad guy in uniform or a black hat. The rules have changed. The nice muslim couple next door whos kids play with yours might one day decide to pop over and sort their filthy infidel neighbours out. Or maybe that gang which became muslim based will go on a rampage.

    We cant prepare for anything because unless you close the doors and lock up the muslims then we still have potential problems. Oh and now the muslins are sorted what about the other migrant groups?

    Im not an appologist or lefty . Ive been called a redneck more often, but i dont see this as a simple ban the muslims issue. We have to give the people who need it the resources they need to do their jobs so we never know what might have happened.

    the other option is armed civilians and vigilanties ruining our country.

  • waldopepper

    i think the tide may be turning. it just feels like this paris incident might be the tipping point the world needed. the french, while somewhat passive in nature, have hot tempers when provoked, similar to the italians, and i wouldnt be surprised if we see an anti muslim retaliation in france in the next few days and weeks. remember, these are the farmers who used tractors to block france’s roads in complete defiance to their govt some years back, and literally bought the country to a halt, so i wouldnt be surprised if the general populace start taking matters into their own hands. and once they do, the poms will have a go on their own soil as well im sure, in retaliation for so many dark deeds, not the least the killing of the off duty army guy 2 years ago. and then its all go. i think islam is foolish, they could exist quietly and in peace with others, however the fact that they are simply serial killers hiding behind a religious cult to excuse their bloodlust is i think, now becoming apparent to all, and stopping tyranny is why we went to war last time. islam are the new nazis, and in time the world will retaliate as we did before. its the exact same scenario playing out – last time the world sat idly by while a german upstart with a funny little moustache talked silly talk in the beer halls of germany, but hey, he’ll never amount to anything. anyone felling a touch of de javu here.

  • kloyd0306

    Efforts to squash radical Islam have failed so badly that the perps are no longer fearful of retaliation.

    Added to that, a good chunk of mealy-mouthed PC lefties try to rationalize these attacks as being by the mentally unstable.

    Where’s the push back from the Islamic moderates?

    (Crickets…………….)

    When are we going to realize that the entire Islamic faith is mentally unstable.

  • sarahmw

    In the horrid online a story regarding a Thai refugee who is showing off his nz passport. The Thai government want him returned asap seems he a member of red shirts group. He got here via Cambodia. He is now in nz and continuing his anti monarchy and govt leanings here. So with what is happening with Muslim refugees is this something that needs urgent addressing?

  • Nechtan

    So Whale Oil and this French paper say things that might (do) upset some people so its ok to destroy them, as they don’t like the message? Freedom of expression but only on their terms. I know Whale Oil won’t roll over and die and I hope all others saying it how it is won’t either; otherwise the nutters win.

    • Correct. Ignoring us isn’t sufficient. We need to be silenced, and illegal means are used when legal ones fail.

      • NotGandalf

        I am concerned that illegal means will give way to violent means. Whaleoil stands like a beacon for those who have a will to be heard, and the next step (if financial ruin is not an option) is to literally cut the head off the beast. It sounds very much like ‘someone’ tried to get Cam to do the dirty work for them (do a Dawson etc) but in our society there are always loose units who adopt a cause or just want their 15 minutes of fame. I just finished reading an excellent book called ‘I Am Pilgrim’ – about middle eastern plots, while it is a work of fiction it is an eery characterisation of Islamic extremism, one quote sticks in my mind from it – “you can kill the thinker, but not the thought”.
        Keep it up Whaleoil, but watch each others backs.

  • waldopepper

    actually im not sure how smart a move it is to constantly attack western democracies that have nuclear weapons. at some point one of them will simply say “enough is enough” and mecca will disappear in a mushroom cloud as the west makes its point. dont mess with the bull, you will get the horns.

    • Bert Piepoint

      Good point, if you want to play the terrorists at their own game then you have to be more ruthless, fight dirty and forget the conventional rules of engagement. Turning Mecca into glass would be a good start.

    • yoyoyo

      problem is nukes wont stop it. it would only feed the cause…. this is so un centrlaised it is very hard to stop it. banning immigration is one way to keep it contained

  • jude

    These outrageous acts of terror designed to cause “terror”, will strengthen resolve.The fight against IS and all extremists will bring unity amongst those whom the extremists are wanting to suppress or worse annihilate.
    There does come a time when ,however much we want a peaceful resolution, there is only one solution.
    In this case, I think the Special Forces troops who are taking the fight to IS are probably achieving more.
    It is a matter now of how individual countries cope with the extremists already embedded in their countries.

  • MrBarrington

    I am sick to the bottom of my stomach. I’ll stop now otherwise I will banned for seven lives from Whaleoil….

  • JKV

    This is so terribly sad – I feel really sick reading about this. Charlie Hebdo is a great magazine – this will probably be the end of it. For all those lefty liberals talking about provocation, did anyone see the way those swine executed the French police officer in the street? He was completely innocent.
    Mark Steyn nails it as per usual.

    http://www.steynonline.com/6739/id-rather-die-standing-than-live-on-my-knees

  • sarahmw

    Je Suis Charlie. Profound. And yes freedom of speech is paramount.

  • tinfoilhatguy

    A couple of questions:

    Will there be a single world political leader who will call this what it is – an attack by Islamic gunmen on western targets? Or will they avoid the Islam link completely?

    Who will be the first political leader to roll out that old chestnut and say that islam is a religion of peace and these guys do not represent islam?

    They can call the sky green all they want – this is islam. Islam is at war with the west and will not stop. This is the thin end of the wedge thanks to the Wests open borders for ME immigration.

  • Mythrandir

    Why are the Islamists so insecure as to be offended by almost anything?

    • Don’t put a set of headphones on Buddha and use him in an advert though.

  • rua kenana

    Angela Merkel’s reported comment about those who are concerned and alarmed with the increasing Islamisation of Germany (and by extension France and other European countries) is “Because too often there is prejudice, coldness, even hatred, in their (i.e. the protesters) hearts.”
    She, along with Hollande (and certain NZ politicians?) appear to not recognize any other reasons.

  • [MOD] Just a note, the main stream media vultures are circling Whaleoil and the comments for some juicy “sound” bites. Please keep your comments polite and well reasoned.

    All they need is one “and one Whaleoil commenter wrote”…

    You have a standard to uphold here. Please help out.

    • Isherman

      Oh, and here I was thiking that media outlets would be more concerned about showing solidariy with a fellow press outfit that has been attacked for practicing the universal media precept of free speech.

    • Mrs_R

      I hope after reading WO and the comments they will begin to realize the depth of anger people have towards the cowards that carried out this murderous act, and that they will understand we will only accept the reporting of the truth as to why these men did it, anything less is to bring shame and dishonour to the journalistic profession.

      • Nope. They’re just looking to write a hit piece. And they’re going to, with or without our help. It would just be nice not to give them easy material.

  • Citizen

    French Police have identified 3 gunmen, already known to them. One was a jihadi recruiter who was given an 18month suspended sentence 3 years ago for recruiting jihadis to go to Iraq!

  • 40something

    Just finished reading Caroline Moorehead’s – Village of Secrets. If there were ever parallels to be had with what today’s western governments are doing to enable Islamic terrorism, it is seen within these pages.
    The Vichy government enabled the Nazi’s reign of terror by their acquiescence to every request. It should be standard reading on just how to go to hell in a handcart.
    Apologists take note of the suffering you are about to unleash on the world.

  • exactchange

    After the twin towers, the organisation I worked for gave all staff a special entry code to use if threatened to provide entry. This patched immediately and silently through to security staff. AFAIK never needed but still not a bad idea. Could have worked for Charlie Hebdo who were obviously already on alert.

  • conwaycaptain

    The French have identified the gunmen and two are brothers.

  • KiwiKaffir

    Wake up New Zealand, there’s a war going on!

    http://www.facebook.com/Proudkaffirs

  • UncleDave

    “A cry of “Allahu akbar!” — Arabic for “God is great””
    Not quite right. Allah is a term for the Muslim version of god, not god per se. This is why Malaysia passed a law to stop Christians using the term Allah. The correct translation is ‘Our god is greatest’.

  • Wheninrome

    The freedom in the Western World has been dealt a huge blow by these Terrorist acts. The Western world has allowed ALL to live in their countries i.e. anywhere in Europe, The USA, Australia, New Zealand etc., , allowed them the freedom to espouse their individual religious views without fear. World War 2 was fought on these principles. Given refugee status to large numbers to help them.
    IN one blow we have been set back in time. Hate will now be the topic instead of acceptance of difference.
    A sad, sad day,this is about the freedom we have all enjoyed to agree to disagree with others and go about our business unimpeded.
    Are they so devoid of humour that they cannot bear to smile.

  • conwaycaptain

    Have the “leaders” of the Islamic communities in Europe, NZ, Aus come out against this event??

  • Lux

    Designers from all over the world express their horror and anger after the massacre in the premises of Charlie Hebdo.

    http://www.parismatch.com/Actu/International/L-hommage-des-dessinateurs-684948

    You may have to translate the page.

  • BrutusIscariot

    Winston Churchill on Islam:

    Sir Winston Churchill; “The River War”, first edition, Volume II, pages 248-250, published by Longmans, Green & Company, 1899.

    “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
    Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
    in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
    countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
    of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the
    Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and
    refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan
    law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as
    a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the
    faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion
    paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde
    force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant
    and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising
    fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the
    strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled,
    the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

  • BrutusIscariot

    David Hume on Islam:

    David Hume (1711 – 1776) was a Scottish philosopher and historian, regarded as one of the most important figures in the history of Western philosophy and the Scottish Enlightenment.

    “The admirers and followers of the Alcoran insist on the excellent moral precepts interspersed through that wild and absurd performance. But it is to be supposed, that the Arabic words, which correspond to the English, equity, justice, temperance, meekness, charity were such as, from the constant use of that tongue, must always be taken in a good sense; and it would have argued the greatest ignorance, not of morals, but of language, to have mentioned them with any epithets, besides those of applause and approbation. But would we know, whether the pretended prophet had really attained a just sentiment of morals? Let us attend to his narration; and we shall soon find, that he bestows praise on such instances of treachery, inhumanity, cruelty, revenge, bigotry, as are utterly incompatible with civilized society. No steady rule of right seems there to be attended to; and every action is blamed or praised, so far only as it is beneficial or hurtful to the true believers.”

  • BrutusIscariot

    George Bernard Shaw on Islam:

    “Islam is very different, being ferociously intolerant. What I may call Manifold Monotheism becomes in the minds of very simple folk an absurdly polytheistic idolatry, just as European peasants not only worship Saints and the Virgin as Gods, but will fight fanatically for their faith in the ugly little black doll who is the Virgin of their own Church against the black doll of the next village. When the Arabs had run this sort of idolatry to such extremes [that] they did this without black dolls and worshipped any stone that looked funny, Mahomet rose up at the risk of his life and insulted the stones shockingly, declaring that there is only one God, Allah, the glorious, the great… And there was to be no nonsense about toleration. You accepted Allah or you had your throat cut by someone who did accept him, and who went to Paradise for having sent you to Hell.”

  • IKIDUNOT

    I just wonder what it takes before the proper authorities finally say ‘enough is enough’?

    • Wheninrome

      The proper authorities are the public at large, voter power, people power.

  • tinfoilhatguy

    Islams ongoing gift to the world – bombings, beheadings, slaughter, mass
    rapes and shootings. Now available worldwide and thanks to the EU’s
    open borders and refugee policies coming to a town near you.

    But it’s OK – it’s the religion of peace.

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