Islam v Christianity – a real life example as it played out at Whaleoil

A few days ago, I ran this Charlie Hebdo cartoon together with one about Muhammad to make the point that, although offensive to some, it wasn’t going to cause “lone wolf” Christians to go on a hostage taking murder rampage.

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I am fully aware that cartoon is extremely offensive to some.   And yet here it is again.  Why?  

Because I received this email

From: Bill Roberts <[email protected]xxxxx.co.nz>
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2015
Subject: Whale Oil Contact submission
To: [email protected]
Name: Bill Roberts

Email: [email protected]

Message: Found your cartoon of the birth of Jesus most offensive. I
will no longer watch your blog

Bill was offended.  He told me so.  And he’s taken action by never visiting Whaleoil again.

This is the appropriate action.

At the same time, I also had another response to posting Charlie Hebdo cartoons lampooning Islam.   It came in this form.

 

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Here is the stark contrast for you.

Christians show their disappointment and turn their backs on you.   Muslims will threaten your life.

Here is the difference distilled down for anyone with eyes to see.

 

And it isn’t just Christianity versus Islam.   We’ve seen the same with right v left.  The right will debate and ultimately ignore you.  The left will try to silence you.

 

Debate v Silencing.

Freedom v Oppression.

Christianity v Islam.

Right v Left.

 

Former Whaleoil reader Bill Roberts has my respect and I wish him well.

 


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  • Cadwallader

    The depiction of the ghastly lunatic cutting his hostage’s throat makes me cringe.This must be an agonizing way to die, and for what? The grotesque behaviour of these sub-human, freedom-fighting, peace-loving, fair minded, kind-hearted, non-challenging, high-spirited filth mongers is beyond words.

    • caochladh

      I don’t think it will be long before Jihadi John faces justice.

      • With any luck it will be appropriate justice at the hands of SAS or Seals –
        Rather than what the left would prefer in him being brought home for a trial where he can make a mockery of the system he wants to destroy with state appointed lawyers, comfortable prison cells and all the rights he would see taken from everyone else

        • caochladh

          My guess is that Mr Drone will have his way with him based on intelligence gathering from the covert sources.

        • Cadwallader

          Agree. In NZ he’d likely qualify for legal-aid.

          • Betty Swallocks

            … and end up with a sentence of 6 months’ home detention.

      • Cadwallader

        Stuff is blaring out that the police shot and killed the young barrister in the SYD cafe. Ahem, why was there cross-fire?

        • caochladh

          I heard it was a ricochet?

          • dgrogan

            Most likely. I doubt those cops were confused about their target.

        • Mikex

          Bloody typical of Stuff to use the headline “shot by police” which could be construed as a deliberate act. Only in the body of the report the more accurate phrase ” struck by a bullet” is used. Totally biased left wing presentation again.

          • Cadwallader

            Yep. They do it whenever some idiot tries to out-pace the police, “man dies in police pursuit.” The fact the police may have ditched the chase never enters into it.

    • Rick H

      They are portrayed by the MSM as “Freedom Fighters”.

      Funnily enough, that title fits perfectly.
      But they are not fighting FOR freedom. They fight AGAINST freedom.

      They are fighting freedom, not fighting FOR freedom.

  • Sally

    I am having difficulties understanding something. I have read that Charlie Herbo is a left wing magazine and the editor was a communist. Yet those on the left are blaming the magazine for provoking the attack.

    • spanishbride

      It is a difficult time for them. They would like to support Charlie Hebdo but then they would be forced to condemn Islam. They are afraid of Islam. Only one choice then, to throw their comrades under the bus.

      • David Moore

        Spot on! Fear rules all.

      • Kevin

        They don’t fear Islam. They love Islam. They see Islam as a means by which they can bring down capitalism and western civilisation and replace it with their socialist communist utopia.

        • dgrogan

          Except that, if successful, they too would lose their heads, just like ALL un-believers. Too bad they can’t figure that out, eh?

          • OneTrack

            Nobody says it is a smart plan. ( nobody with a brain, anyway )

      • wooted

        I think too that for the left there is an element of “The enemy (Islam) of my enemy (the right) is my friend”

  • RightofSingapore

    So Bill is offended, he has missed the point completely.

  • Tony

    It is an offensive cartoon to many but we turn the other cheek. Many have suffered offensive behaviour for their beliefs but they did not then gun down the perpetrators.

  • john Doe

    Most posts and comments will be offensive to someone. The day that WO becomes PC and written to appease the panty wasters is the day I stop visiting the site. It must be provocative and controversial to instill debate.

  • andrewo

    People feel offended because the message in the cartoon makes them face their own gullibility in believing their particular version of faith.

    Virgin Birth – Yeah Right!

  • Wasapilot

    Hi Bill, I am certain you will be looking at WO despite your statement to the contrary. I suggest you think about things, you may then realise that the intent of the post was perhaps not to offend anyone, rather to make a point over our freedoms, which Muslim terrorists wish to deny us.

    I believe that we have all been offended at some stage by images, reporting in the media of all kinds etc. if we just switch off are we then missing the 99.999% of content we do not find offensive?

    I hope you reconsider your position Bill. If you continue to not view WO, then that is your right, and I would defend that right with all I have.

  • Eiselmann

    Well Bill good on you for having the courage of your convictions…good luck to you. For my part I greeted the cartoon of baby Jesus quite literally with a shrug of my shoulder , images like that don’t just challenge my faith they actually reaffirm it…people mock what they fear (except Islam). I enjoy listening to Bill Mayer , Richard Dawkins and the late great Chris Hutchins , I don’t agree with everything they say but they test my faith , that makes it robust and rather that than cocoon it in cotton wool and hope nothing shakes it.
    Still each to there own…..as an aside I didn’t actually find the cartoon funny but that’s more down to my sense of humour…give me the Life of Brian any day.

  • Catriona

    People take offence at all sorts of things. There is no way of pleasing the entire world. But it doesn’t make it right to go after those who have ‘offended’ you with a machine gun and mow them down. A rather OTT response. I don’t have the right to go after my neighbour and exterminate him/her because I don’t agree with how they see the world. Personally, I rather enjoyed the above cartoon. And I have always questioned the ‘virgin’ birth. After all, I am female and I have given birth and it was impossible to become pregnant on my own.

  • Phoenician

    Equal opportunity offender indeed! Still waiting to see you take the mickey out of my deity of choice (Athene).

  • Reaper

    Love the name – aasszz17. How is that pronounced? “asses” 17?

  • Josey

    I support Bill and will not read your blog again. What i won’t do is gun anybody down for it.

    • Steve

      I bet you do read the blog again. Like all rhe others here you’re hooked. It wont rake long before withdrawal symptoms creap in . Like, inteligent, thought provoking anx reasoned discourse amongst WO’ers.

    • NotGandalf

      I think your response is fair and a good example of the choices we have in life. The cartoon is is a moronic parody of childbirth in my opinion.
      I am guessing that Cam posted the image not for tittilation or personal amusement, but to illustrate the difference between religions. Offense is optional.

  • Patterson

    I don’t think its about “offence” at all… I think it’s about this nasty faction of Islam wanting to “put people in their place” Christians are the most persecuted minority in the world today… most is happening in the Middle East…

  • sarahmw

    I am offended by images of dead children murdered by terrorists in the name of Islam. I am offended that the left who say they support the rights of freedom suddenly are not so supportive and blame the authors of satire for their own fate. The silence is deafening in their outrage against these terrorist acts. Yes I am offended by this.

  • Lance Ralph

    This seems to me to be pretty much a stylised illustration of the way I came into the world as well. I am extremely offended on my own behalf and so I intend to have a jolly good sulk.

    • Cadwallader

      The cartoon of the childbirth isn’t offensive to me. I suppose some Christians may object to it on the basis that it depicts (more or less) a natural childbirth rather than the miraculous and virginal one recorded in the Scriptures. I am blowed if I can figure this out.

      • Mark

        I came into this world kicking & screaming & covered in someones else’s blood,I have no problem going out the same way… ;)

  • Daniel

    The photo is sick; the cartoon is bad-taste.

    • Wheninrome

      So are you going to take up arms, shoot anyone, blow up buildings or just use your ability to ignore and move on.

    • NotGandalf

      I agree, but it ‘hurts’ nobody. We all choose our responses, I think yours is more than fair. We publish or vocalise our opinion, and we accept those things presented to us or we refute them and move on.

  • Effluent

    Have you reported the second email to twitter (I presume it was a tweet) and the police? It seems like a pretty clear threat of violence to me.

  • david W

    Can someone who ran read french translate the above words on the image. Being a cartoon paper that focuses of pissing off religious people, its not going to be flattering. But just from the image as a Christian I can’t see a problem. Jesus obviously came out the birth canal just like any other baby (although I can see Mary looking a bit of clown is a bit off)

    • Edward_L

      Basic translation “the real life story of little Jesus; following the childhood from the apocryphal (dubious but widely believed as true) Gospels and other scrolls”

  • AF

    So are you going to show the cartoon again that caused that tweet?

  • LesleyNZ

    “Never look for hurt because you can always find it. Never look for thanks because you might never get it”. I meant to comment yesterday on this post. It is a shame that Bill will no longer read this blog. I never get offended because as a Christian I expect ridicule and mocking like what is seen above, because Jesus said “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.” John 15:18.
    As a Christian I will always speak out against ridicule and mocking of things Christian, but God will be the judge. Vengeance, violence and murder is not Christian. Just before Jesus was taken away to be crucified on the cross Jesus’ disciple Simon Peter cut off the high priest’s servant’s ear. Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”
    Matthew 26: 52-54

    I do hope that Bill changes his mind starts to read Whaleoil blog again.

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