John Key clear on New Zealand’s position on Islam: Anti

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New Zealand’s entry into the international anti-Islamic coalition is “the price of the club,” Prime Minister John Key says.

In an interview with the BBC in London, Key didn’t specify which “club” he was talking about, although he did refer to the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing network.

He has previously said Kiwi troops will only go to Iraq to support Australia in training other forces. Cabinet will make a final decision next month.

He acknowledged that the conflict could come “with great human cost.”

But he said New Zealand would not accompany other nations “as they go out to prosecute” the militants.

“New Zealand has to take a view, doesn’t it, ultimately?” he told the BBC.

“Are we going to say that we are going to, sort of, be part of a club. A bit like we are with Five Eyes intelligence, are we going to, you know, ultimately be able to rely on the members of those clubs to support us in our moment of need.

“And we do know that when it comes to the United States and Canada and Australia and Great Britain and others that we can rely on them if we don’t have the resources to fly someone out of a particular country if there is a particular problem or support our citizens, others will.

If the Islamic State (IS) became “more powerful” in the long term, this would present “greater risks” to Kiwis, he said.

It is clear ISIS/IS/ISIL have only one agenda:  to disrupt the world and turn it into an Islamic planet.  They have taken up arms, killed people,  invaded sovereign territory and motivated and funded terrorism across the globe.

We are at war.

 

– Stuff

 


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  • metalnwood

    I heard a bit of a discussion on the radio about it yesterday. A few calls like ‘JK shouldn’t be sending our soldiers in to dangerous situations’.

    Why dont we just disband the army then.. We need the navy for non wartime work, same for the airforce but what use is the army for non military roles?

    May as well just get rid of the army if soldiers cant be put in harms way.

    I suspect those soldiers, in the majority, are happy to do something and less happy about the restrictions on the role they can play.

    • Huia

      And yet these same people shouting against sending our troops into dangerous situations would be the very first ones screaming for action if one of their family were hurt.
      Helen and her bunch of merry lefties castrated our armed forces, they haven’t learnt yet that the softly, softly mentality, and lets give them a hug and open our borders to all and sundry does not work.
      Sometimes you have to take a stance when your country and way of life is under threat.

    • PsychoKea

      People join the armed forces on a voluntary basis with full knowledge of possible deployment to areas of conflict , it is not like they are conscripts, In fact I suspect many would be itching to be deployed to an active zone to put their training into practice, why do these lefties think they need to speak for our service people.

  • R&BAvenger

    Good to have clarification from the PM. It is in contrast with the opposition and I think is in tune with the thoughts of sensible folk here in NZ.
    Our Armed Forces exist for a purpose that includes contributing to multinational forces, as we have done historically. The ranting and raving by the opposition is preaching to ‘their’ converted.
    If we are not prepared to contribute military assets is some shape or form against something as serious a threat to the world then we do not deserve a seat on the UN security council.

  • conwaycaptain

    Canadian Sp Forces have already been engaged with ISIS in Iraq.
    5 Chechens arrested in France with explosives.
    I can see in the UK that the Muslims will be told to either Shape up or Ship Out

  • sandalwood789

    Ok, this is good but this is actually the *easy* part. Smacking ISIS around thousands of km away.

    I will believe that Key is truly committed to the fight against Islam when he brings in legislation to define Islam as “an ideology that promotes hatred and violence towards those outside of it” and uses that law to ban Muslim immigration.

    I won’t hold my breath.

  • corporate refugee

    Good on John Key for going on the front foot over this. It’s common sense like this that make him so popular with most Kiwis. No Labour leader would even dare say this for fear of the howls of anguish and dissent from within their own ranks.

  • la la land

    I think we need to be clear – this is an anti Islamic State (ISIS) coalition right – not anti Islam…

    • sandalwood789

      That’s right, and that is exactly the problem.

    • spanishbride

      I am anti Islam ( not the people just the ideology )
      The ideology has as its head a pedophile and encourages pedophilia as it allows child brides which is totally unacceptable in any civilised society.
      It oppresses women which is unwelcome in civilised society as NZ didn’t become the first country in the world to give women the vote only to encourage a political ideology that wants women kept at home under control literally under wraps and with limited access to education apart from ‘ religious ‘ education.
      It has Sharia law which is a BRUTAL, barbaric way of punishing and controlling people which again has NO PLACE in civilised society. Yes I do think we should be anti Islam just as we are Anti Nazi political ideology.

      • Cadwallader

        The problem I have with this is, that due to Islamo conduct it is incumbent on the so-called infidels in the West to continually make the distinction between “moderate Islamos” and the savage Islamos. We in the West did not make this distinction a necessity yet we are expected to be fair-minded and do so. Stuff that!

    • Isherman

      Islam, and Islamic nations are here to stay, however much we might like it to be gone, it wont. Also true, is that the sectarian divide of Islam and those nations is also here to stay, it will exist when IS are no more. The rise of the Iranian Shia axis will continue to fuel de-stabilisation of middle estern states for a long time yet, and I believe that it is within those realities that we need to make sure we are clear about what we are trying to achieve. The fight against IS specifically is one uniting factor, as no ME government, Shia or Sunni stands to gain from IS becoming irrevocably entrenched. I support our efforts in this context, just as long as we understand the limitations of what we can achieve. Iraq is a very key part of the wider mess, and also I think we should be doing whatever we can with our position on the UNSC to try and ensure that Iraq in particular ends up with a credible government that is acceptable to both sectarian sides, and does not simply become a super Iranian Shiite proxy,(as it effectively is at present) otherwise this will never end.

    • Luis Cannon

      To be even clearer. This is a fight against the Slime of Islam or the Islamic Pigs of the Middle East. Take your pick. Either way, they sit somewhere between bacteria and animals.

    • Why not anti-islam?
      People are quiet happy to be named as anti-nazi.

  • john Doe

    David Shearer on the radio this morning “committing troops to to fight ISIS will result in NZ becoming a target for terrorism. Labour continues to cower in the corner.

    • Cadwallader

      We already are! The entire “infidel population” is a target. Why can’t leftie softies see this?

      • sandalwood789

        Yes, we are and we have been so for 1400 years.

        It was *Islam* that declared this war since the very time that it was founded.

        • Luis Cannon

          Because they got sucked in by a false prophet and have found they are living in the wrong paradise.

      • MaryLou

        It can only be cowardice and fear. Whilst the atrocities are happening a few thousand miles away, they are happy. Whilst the expansion of ISIS, Boko Haram etc are a few thousand miles away and happening to other people, they are happy. Why they can’t see that through the Internet these “people” are recruiting and encouraging their behaviour on a global scale defies belief – by allowing this behaviour at all it allows it to spread. The effect of doing nothing is the opposite of what they espouse.

  • sandalwood789

    Here’s a very good comparison between the three totalitarian political systems –
    ( hat-tip to islammonitor.org )
    http://i57.tinypic.com/2lijzeu.jpg

    • fergus

      One correction, under communism, jews and white russians were treated worse than under the nazis.

      • kloyd0306

        So, Hitler had much in common with Stalin……….

      • parorchestia

        Jews were treated abominably by Nazis. Property, lives and all that makes people people was taken from them, destroyed, or stolen by the Nazi monsters.
        Stalin treated peasants, the Ukrainians, and the races bordering the Black Sea abominably too, but not as badly as the Nazis did.

    • kloyd0306

      This should be on the front page of the Herald.

      • sandalwood789

        Yes, it should be.

        This table exposes the glaring hypocrisy of the Left.
        They go on and on about freedom, women’s rights, blah blah blah but then they snuggle up to the most oppressive political system ever – Islam.

  • Salacious Crumb

    More needs to be made of the Labour Party’s stance on this. David Shearer was again on the radio espousing the need to distance ourselves from this and that it will “only make NZ a target”. I would like to ask Mr Shearer if he is comfortable standing aside and allowing the wholesale slaughter and rape of innocents that is occuring under the IS banner. Perhaps his valuable UN experience of doing so is coming to the fore? I would also like Mr Shearer to explain how we are not already a target by virtue of being a secular, Western society.

    Someone needs to call these clowns out. It is this sort of hand wringing liberalism that has spawned home grown jihdadists in Europe and we need to shine the spotlight on the enablers here to prevent the same occuring.

    • fergus

      Remind mr shearer of certain priest…Martin Niewaller

      First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

      Because I was not a Socialist.

      Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

      Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

      Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

      Because I was not a Jew.

      Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
      EDIT: wrong labour leader correct…not that it makes much difference.

      • rua kenana

        Wrong priest also.
        Try Martin Niemöller.

    • Odd Ball

      Perhaps David should read up on US history. They distanced themselves from both world wars & got pulled into both of them.

    • Aucky

      “Peace in our time” eh David.

    • kloyd0306

      The UN is corrupt – has been for decades. Shearer has been indoctrinated.

      • Mine it,Drill it,Sell it.

        This Clown Shearer does my head in.Last night he was on Larry’s ZB show talking tough promising to stand between the chainsaws and some trees in Pt Chev stating no way does he want to stand in the way of progress.

        Then this morning he cows down over the idea of standing up against murdering scum terrorists.

        This bloke is in the wrong party he needs to move over to the Greens as they look after trees and girls blouses.

    • shykiwibloke

      And when the violence is commonplace in our own country he will probably stand-aside as that will only make himself a target. Have we not learnt anything from history?

    • Luis Cannon

      Heard Shearer on radio as well. Labour still hasn’t woken up to the fact that they need to put lead in their pencils. The only solution is psychological warfare against Islam and stamping out this ideology of hate. Brotherly love just wont cut it with pond scum. Otherwise he might just as well join the Vegetables aka Enemies of the State aka Greens.

    • Isherman

      I bet however that he would be quick to say that while we shouldn’t get militarily involved, we should make sure that we are pulling our weight with non military and humanitarian assistance, and this would show the flaw in his logic. Japan is not militarily involved, but that hasn’t stopped IS from abducting and ransoming Japanese nationals has it?. Shearers thinking on this is simplistic, flawed and ultimately dangerous.

  • MAWG

    So, in the middle east, we have a group who rapes and enslaves women, because this group fervently believes they have a god given right to do so. They kill anyone who they disagree with, because they feel they have a god given right to do so.

    Christians and Jews are murdered in the most horrible way, simply because of their faith. Homosexuals are thrown from tall building in the name of their religion. Children are gunned down for having the temerity to get an education.

    In the midst of all this, we have a number of lefties who are adamant that we should not get involved. I put it to you that there has not been a more morally justifiable “Casus Belli” since 1939.

    You panty waisted PC liberals can wring your hands all you want, but as an ex serviceman, I wonder why on earth the full might of the conventional western military arsenal is not being put to use in wiping this scourge from the face of the earth.

    • mike

      One problem… In the post-World-War-II era, the UN Charter prohibits signatory countries from engaging in war except: 1) as a means of defending themselves – or an ally where treaty obligations require it – against aggression; 2) unless the UN as a body has given prior approval to the operation. The UN also reserves the right to ask member nations to intervene against non-signatory countries that embark on wars of aggression.

      • Alright

        Stuff the UN. It is staffed by a bunch pc Leftists who believe that if they block the ears, close their eyes and sing la.la.la.la loud enough the radicals will retreat to their holes (or is that tunnels?) in the ground.

        • mike

          Yes the UN is a waste of time and money, and while we (and the rest of the Western world) should just leave it we haven’t. While it exists we are hamstrung by it.

      • MAWG

        That may be the case, but correct me if I’m wrong. ISIS is not a country. Militant Islam is not a country.

        • mike

          ISIS may not be a country, but Syria and Iraq are… so unless the legitimate Governments of those respective countries request military aid then we have no legal right to enter their countries and wage a war.

          And yes the USA can get away with doing this because who has the might to stand up to them and not get their arses whipped?

    • Dave

      Let the lefties go to those countries you describe, in fact lets send Mr Grant Robertson, with Angry Andrew, and a few token gay females, and a few kids who are getting an education, and enjoy watching soccer. Let them negotiate on behalf of the western world, and should any harm come to them over there, the rest of the socialists can simply say, oh, well, we were wrong to get involved in the first place. They are hippycrites, its okay to shout from the sidelines, but they don’t intend doing anyhting but sit on their high horse fencing!

      • Simo

        Like to try and see Little Andy bat this issue away and suck up to the Jihadists he would be in real danger of commiting political suicde literally and possibly figuratively.The perception that the Left is sympathetic to Islamists is widespread and is not a go foward for NZ in any way whatsoever. 2017 is going to end as another train wreck for the left again

  • 1951

    …..’Key did not specify which “club” he was talking about, although he did refer to the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing network.’ …. Another piece written by a journalist, trained skilled and tilted to the left, again showing their immaturity. Sickening.

  • Iera

    A “security alliance”, a “defence agreement” –any clumsy phrase has to be better than the word “club”, with its connotations of cabinet club, Koru Club, optional luxury, privileged few, the Cameron / Obama / Key club.

    Seemingly small point, but I think a great mistake, to use the word “club” is such a serious context and to give the word to Labour and the left to beat Key with.

    • 1951

      Once upon a time we were proud to say friend & ally, but that was put asunder.
      (By whom? That’s right, not a National Government). So now there is a need for another word in place of. You are right “club” may not be best.

  • Eiselmann

    Islam commands its followers to purge corruption (non believers) from the land( the planet) ..there is no safe country. Even if New Zealand did nothing to respond to ISIS does not make us safe?. Too many of our fellow citizens are prepared to risk other peoples lives to avoid hurting the feelings of people who’s faith commands them to kill us if we don’t convert…..that’s just madness.
    Written this a couple of times but it needs saying again
    I’m a Christian and I will die for my religion
    I’m a Jew and I will die for my religion
    I’m a muslim and you will die for my religion.

  • cows4me

    Good !!

  • NotGandalf

    Still sounds like he is dancing around the issue, I am sure ISIS will only see NZ’s involvement as being just as actionable as if we were heading to the front lines ourselves, I believe there is no room for being ‘sort of pregnant’ in this case – you either are or you aren’t. ISIS will take any NZ involvement as a justification for attacks on our people and probably on our home soil. This was always going to happen so staying out of direct conflict is not an option in my opinion. Good luck to our military, and keep alert folks.

    • Huia

      That is his public statement, I imagine he is a lot more committed behind the scenes and out of the public eye. These friendly meetings he and the other leaders are attending have a lot deeper purpose I imagine.
      This Muslim movement is world wide problem, these leaders are all aware of that.
      If it were me, I would be putting things in place quietly with the other leaders, so the do gooder’s and lefties don’t go out of their way to bring it all crashing down around our ears with their screeching and dramatic hysterics.

      • NotGandalf

        Agreed, I really hope he was sitting around the table with David Cameron and others discussing more resolute measures.

  • Wheninrome

    The world was slow to take Jews when asked. After the War the world, western, said “if only we had known”.
    This time we know what is happening we cannot plead ignorance later.

  • steve and monique

    Seems like fence sitting to me. These ISIS mongrels hate all things western, Christian, feminine, and even their own if deemed not Muslim enough.

  • JustanObserver

    John.
    Get out there and wave OUR ‘Black Flag’ at those disciples of evil.
    NZ can, and must stand up for freedom.
    Simply saying we ‘might’ be part of a training force is as limp-wristed as can be.
    .
    You have my ‘vote’ for our forces to fight.
    and yes, I have family members in the forces.

  • NZ 2014

    Islam declared war on the west on Sept 11th 2001. They have proved since then they can strike anywhere, anytime and at anybody.

  • Aucky

    We owe it to our mates……..Australia, USA, UK & Canada were all right at the front of the queue proffering massive assistance to NZ after the Ch’ch quake.

    There’s no issue here. It’s what we do.

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