Liberal hand-wringing over Kiwi criminals in offshore jurisdictions

Watch as the clamour to try and bring our criminal scum back home to  face “justice” in New Zealand rather than the much harsher treatment they will get offshore.

One such person is this Anthony De Malmanche fellow.

The liberal panty-waists are all upset that he might face the death penalty. Well boohoo, only the congenitally stupid don;t know that in most Asian countries the penalty for smuggling drugs at the very minimum is a sound beating and a long time in prison or the worst, a death sentence.

i have little sympathy for them.

The crim-hugging panty-waists though think this is terrible and one such womble is Alexander Gillespie who is supposedly a professor of law at Waikato University (snigger).

He is having a moan that these criminals are hard done by.

Two recent incidents involve Kiwis allegedly involved in trafficking large amounts of methamphetamine. The men were caught in Indonesia and China. These are not cases of attractive females with relatively small amounts of marijuana which would cause debatable social damage.

These are people who, if convicted, will be found to be responsible for the destruction of the lives of hundreds of others. Indonesia and China have a strong interest in putting these individuals on trial. This is standard practice as each state jealously guards its laws to protect its citizens, society and principles.

Accordingly, when people are tried for crimes in foreign countries, it is no defence to say they are foreigners. As the recent debate over the Malaysian diplomat returned to the New Zealand judicial system has shown, the public expect the law to be applied regardless of nationality.

Is he serious? Trying to say being a foreigner is a suitable defence?

The law should apply regardless of nationality.

The result of such thinking is about 300 prisoners of foreign nationality are housed in our jails. Conversely, there are at least 90 New Zealanders held in the prisons of at least 26 other countries.

Although most are in the US, Europe and Australia, an increasing number are being incarcerated in locations where the penalties, and the standards of incarceration, are closer to the Middle Ages than what exists here.

Don’t commit crimes in such places would be a good rule of thumb I should have thought. Maybe we could import their penalty systems to NZ and we might just watch crime drop.

The worst example of these standards is with the death penalty. More than two-thirds of countries have abolished the death penalty in law or practice. Countries do this because the premeditated and cold-blooded killing of a human being by the state is the ultimate denial of any meaningful ideal of human rights, the right to life in particular. It is a cruel, inhuman and degrading act done in the name of justice. There is also always the risk that the convicted person is innocent.

You know what…tough shit. Don’t commit crimes that carry the death penalty in countries that don’t have the sort of “justice” system we have in New Zealand.

It is due to such considerations that a number of countries have implemented specific legislation to obtain the return of their citizens when incarcerated in foreign countries. Such legislation facilitates prisoner transfers, whereby the prisoner is still required to serve the sentence, or its equivalent, but in their home country.

The US, Europe, and Australia are all notable in this regard. There are strong economic, social and humanitarian reasons for this approach. Although New Zealand participates in some such arrangements, they are minimal and ad-hoc. We have no comprehensive approach to such concerns, nor specific arrangements with countries such as China or Indonesia, where two New Zealanders are about to go on trial for their lives. The only certainty we have is that these will not be the last Kiwis to face such an ordeal. The question is whether we want to prevent it in the future.

Why would we want them back here junking up our prisons. Far better the expense of their incarceration be covered by the country in which they committed crimes. Even better would be to outsource Corrections to those same offshore jurisdictions…then see how the criminals like it hard.

Wombles like Gillespie make me ill.


– NZ Herald

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As much at home writing editorials as being the subject of them, Cam has won awards, including the Canon Media Award for his work on the Len Brown/Bevan Chuang story. When he’s not creating the news, he tends to be in it, with protagonists using the courts, media and social media to deliver financial as well as death threats.

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