Listen to their words and understand their real message

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We in the West are ignorant about so much that is Islam. This ignorance is used against us as we are so trusting and naive. We assume that Islam is just like other religions. We assume that when Muslims say things they can be taken at face value. We are wrong on both counts.

I want to educate you on one thing and one thing alone. It will totally change how you react in the future to statements from the Muslim community world wide as well as here in New Zealand, after a terrorist attack in yet another western country.

How many times have you heard the following?…

We condemn the killing of innocent people

We condemn the killing of innocents

Sounds like they are condemning the terrorist attacks right?

Wrong!

Notice how they always use the word innocent or innocents. There is a very good reason for their use of that word.

The notion of “innocent” in Islam can never be applied on Non-Muslims, because according to the islamic Jurisprudence, they (the non-Muslims) rejected the message of Allah and Mohammed (they are not Muslims), so they are considered automatically non innocents…But when the Muslims say it in the western media addressing this statement to a non-Muslim audience , they are considered to not be lying because  they mean”Islam condemns the killing of Muslims”. They are the only people considered Innocents in the Islamic jurisprudence…   

Muslims can never say Islam condemns the killing of Non-Muslims openly and directly, but says “Innocents” instead…This widely used tactic is called  ”Tawriya” or  ”Ketman” (تورية و كتمان ). This is an integral part of the Islamic teachings on dealing with non-Muslims. It means a Muslim say something but in his heart he means another thing completely the opposite for example. So that is NOT considered lying in Islam.

-nocompulsion.com

The Hamas group that controls the Gaza Strip on Saturday issued a condemnation of the deadly attacks by Islamist gunmen in France this week, saying there was no “justification for killing innocents“.

-Reuters

What about when they say things like,’ Islam condemns terrorism’ or ‘Muslims are not terrorists?’ Surely they must mean that?

Nope!

The same thing is applied to the word “terrorism” or “terrorist”…Muslims consider what they do is not terrorism; In their mentality they believe it’s a “resistance” or they are “defending Islam” , “fighting oppression” or “Jihad in the way of Allah”. Therefore Muslims can easily say “Islam condemns terrorism” or “Muslims are not Terrorists” because in their hearts they believe what they do is not terrorism and as mentioned before they are not lying.

-nocompulsion.com

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  • sandalwood789

    Very good post SB.

    Another thing for non-Muslims to keep in mind is the concept of “abrogation”.
    If two Quran verses contradict each other, the *later* one takes precedence – it “abrogates” the earlier one.

    This is very important because Muslims will often show you what looks like a peaceful-looking verse in the Quran.
    You can guarantee that that verse will have been abrogated by a later (more violent) verse.
    http://www.islamreview.com/articles/quransdoctrine.shtml

    Quote – “In an attempt to polish Islam’s image, Muslim activists usually quote verses
    from the Quran that were written in the early days of the Islamic movement while
    Mohammed lived in Mecca. Those passages make Islam appear loving and harmless
    because they call for love, peace and patience. Such is a deception. The activists
    fail to tell gullible people that such verses, though still in the Quran, were
    nullified, abrogated, rendered void by later passages that incite killing, decapitations,
    maiming, terrorism and religious intolerance. The latter verses were penned while
    Mohammed’s headquarters was based in Medina.”

    • spanishbride

      Yes, and as was mentioned in a a video in an article I posted, the peaceful stuff was at a time when Muhummad was in the minority and was being persecuted. Once he had an army around him and became powerful the verses changed.

      • Quinton Hogg

        who knew occasional forays into theological study would be so useful!
        And important

  • LisaGinNZ

    Good post. At least some of us here in NZ are awake to the horror that is Islam.

  • Andy

    Don’t be silly.
    Cameron, Merkel, Obama and every other pillock tells us otherwise.

    Just look at Merkel’s latest statment which even got her Caucus in uproar.
    She stated that “Islam belongs to Germany’.
    That should tell you all you need to know about what we as the people are up against.

    • spanishbride

      How ironic that because of Germany’s guilt over Hitler’s genocide of the Jewish people they now support Muslim’s who hate the Jews even more than they hate Christians and every other kind of Kaffir or Infidel.

      • Andy

        Not only that but the Grand Muffti at the time supplied the SS with enough Muslim soldiers to go and do Hitlers and Himmlers dirt work.

  • Quinton Hogg

    Thank you for these posts.
    My elderly parents attended a university of the third age series on Islam some years ago.
    They came away surprised and shocked at the philosophy that underpins this faith.
    I am was not surprised.
    my personal view is that Islam = Cancer

    • spanishbride

      Cancer is a perfect analogy for how Islam infects Western countries. It is an invasion by stealth. Islam is far more dangerous than a country that declares war on us. How do you fight an undeclared war where the combatants are hidden and living in your own country? In a war it is clear who the bad guys are but with Islam you cannot tell by looking which Muslim is radical, which is supportive of the radicals but not personally violent, and which is not a threat at all.

      • Quinton Hogg

        It is difficult.
        I know muslims professionally and they are fine people.
        I know the odd muslim through sporting contacts, again fine people.
        it is the philosophy that underpins their faith which I find hard to reconcile with the person.

  • RightofSingapore

    So what do we do about it? Whenever I try to point out how vicious Islam is to people they roll their eyes or accuse me of being an intolerant redneck

    • spanishbride

      Politically I want to push for Muslim immigration to cease. My analogy is this. 100 people from another country want to move here. We have a policy of not allowing people with deadly, infectious diseases to come to our country.
      Statistics show that 10% of the 100 from this country will be infected and 30% will be carriers of this infectious disease but we cannot find out which 10% or 30% because symptoms will not fully develop for another two years. The disease is highly infectious and deadly.
      Do we let all 100 into the country or do we decline the lot?
      Other countries who do not have policies like ours are now suffering from increasing infection rates and deaths. Their Leaders say there is nothing to worry about and continue to bring more people in by the hundreds of thousands from the infected countries. Do we learn from the mistakes of the other countries or do we follow them?

      • Bean

        What needs to be done to get the ball rolling then?

      • petedude

        Looks like we’re already following the mistakes of other countries. Islam in NZ seems to have entered a rapid growth phase, with Muslims now comprising about 1% of the population (from the 2013 census):

        “The number of people affiliating with the Muslim religion increased 27.9 percent since 2006 (from 36,072 people in 2006 to 46,149 people in 2013).”

        • Salacious Crumb

          If global intelligence organisations are correct in their assertion that 15-20% of the Muslim population is radicalised, then that represents a total of 6,992 to 9,229 potential enemies of New Zealand in our midst.

          Time to wake up, people.

          • Mick Ie

            And how many are on the GCSB watch list again? 40 of extreme interest and 40 possibles? That still leaves 6,912 to 9,149 unaccounted for. Doesn’t instil much confidence as far as National Security goes.

          • Salacious Crumb

            The rule of thumb when dealing with intelligence agencies is that they never give the full story and rightly so. Information is their stock and trade and they should never compromise themselves, or be compromised, by revealing all they know. I have every confidence they are all over this.

          • Simo

            Strategically, 9229 potential enemies are in no-mans land, there is nowhere to run except into the sea with all the borders closed. I would be very nervous if I was them. They can run but they cant hide as the saying goes…..The head of the NZ Islamic Council put them all on notice with his little rant a week ago where he completely agreed with the “we are the victims” line. WakeTFU Kiwis

        • Intrigued

          Yes that is right and it’s important to note that per head of population we have more Muslims in NZ than the USA has – they are on about 0.8% It’s when they start taking over neighbourhoods and suburbs causing non-Muslims to move out that the alarm bells should be ringing loudly too. I can think of a few areas in Auckland already where that is a serious risk.
          I also remember a paper delivered to a law conference I attended in 2006 I think where Sharia Law was discussed in the Family Court sense – as part of embracing cultural diversity in our communities. I didn’t give it much thought or credence as a reality at the time, but realise now that the seeds were being sown.
          We must make sure we individually educate ourselves on Islam and have those challenging discussions with our friends, family, colleagues, politicians etc. I don’t believe it is too late for NZ but we are getting closer to the point where a line is crossed and we too will be at war on our streets.

          • Simo

            We can tiptoe around the blogs here but eventually this imperialistic religious disease has to be slam dunked into the bin of history

      • the north

        immigration in my mind is people having to add value to NZ and can they fit in.
        my questions are does Muslims add value to NZ and do they fit into NZ values.
        I would welcome Muslims to tell me how they have added value to NZ

      • CouchKumara

        That has zero chance of happening unless we have well known public people or politicians that can argue and convince and win the debate that multiculturalism is a failure and certainly that people of the Islamic faith are as welcome here as members of the Nazi party. No new Mosques should be allowed to be built. I have just returned from a one month visit to Indonesia. I was pleased to see that the Burka is almost completely absent but saddened to see girls as young as 4-5 wearing the Hijab. One day on a one hour bus ride in the countryside in Java I was stunned by the amount of Mosques that I passed. It seemed that is this area the locals were on a mosque building binge. In some places they were 100m apart and signs of new ones being built were a regular occurrence..

        It is a tragedy that we have let our young people become blinded to truth by letting our education system become totally infected by the indoctrination of political correctness and leftise thinking. We in the west have stopped believing in anything apart from selfies, money, seeking pleasure and even our families aren’t that important. We foolishly mocked and denigrated our own cultures and the cultural building block of Christianity and have put scientism on the alter of our reverence.

        It seems to me that us humans have a God Gene as is attested by the fact that by a big majority, the population of the world believes in some sort of deity. It also seems in the west that we have convinced ourselves that we are smarter than the rest of the world and don’t need a God anymore and have convinced ourselves that God is in the same league as Santa and the Easter Bunny and purple unicorns. Guess what? The intellectual belief in scientism is going to crumble in the face of bearded Jihadists yelling at you to convert and pay the Jizya or die, as has happened throughout the history of Islamic Imperialism and expansion throughout history.

        • bristol

          “All men are born with a nose and five fingers, but no one is born with a knowledge of God.” Voltaire

          • CouchKumara

            “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” Benjamin Franklin.

    • Bean

      Agreed, the apathy is despairing or at the least people carefully keep their tut-tutting views to themselves.

      Sadly I suspect it will take something blatant and unpleasant to happen in NZ for more people to wake up and speak up.

    • Odd Ball

      Based on history, I suspect nothing will happen, until it’s almost too late.
      For examples, have a look at how the Europeans tried to appease Hitler & even threw Czechoslovakia under the bus in order to do so.
      The USA at the time believed in isolationism, and only had token sized armed forces. This didn’t stop them from been pulled into the war.

      My advice is keep doing what your doing, but ultimately, look after number one.

    • pak

      It is very challenging. Partly I think a question of continuing to educate ourselves so we have facts readily to hand to back any comments up or correct wrong understanding (politely!). I believe also there is a lot of fear (rightly) around this whole issue and for some people it is just too overwhelming and confronting to even consider the implications so they would rather just dismiss claims that Islam is so dangerous and keep their heads in the sand. But that should not stop those of us better informed of the dangers from speaking up.

  • Lord Evans

    These ‘hidden meanings’ are deceptive. A bit like those ‘Magic Eye’ pictures from the 90’s. Here’s one you might like to solve – hint: Muhammad, pig…

  • Jim460

    The danger is real, but it helps to realize that they have weaknesses too. In the early 20th Century the western world saw life expectancy shoot up and childhood mortality plummet. To have 2-3 children survive to adulthood once needed having 10 pregnancies. But not anymore. Women went from having to spend most of their adult life being totally dependent on another to needing to spend only a fraction of their adult life being dependent. We saw the inevitable outcome in the 1960’s in the western world. The same changes are now marching through the rural heartlands of the rest of the world, and are still far away from reaching their peak. No culture can survive forever by oppressing half it’s population. The west can win it’s struggle at home if it chooses to do so. They cannot win at home, and can be defeated abroad.

  • cows4me

    Drop kicks like the clown featured above are not our greatest danger. Our greatest danger are the politically correct weasels, appeasers and liberal fools. While these appeasers whine and moan and squeal human rights people like the horrible scumbag at the top page and those of his ilk grow stronger in their adopted countries. Obviously the religion of peace is a lie on par with global warming but the religion of peace can be fought, stop Muslim immigration.

    • Albert Lane

      But our main political parties wouldn’t be brave enough to do that, and anyway, the UN would descend on us like a ton of bricks (it’s funny that they never descend on the baddies – ever – never). Sadly, I think we’re going to need a new political party that will make this one of their policies. The Conservatives would have nothing to lose by taking up this cause.

      • cows4me

        You are right Albert and I really think you right about the UN. Personally I believe our politicians have loss the ability to believe we can be a country that is independent ,

        • Albert Lane

          I sincerely hope that John Key has had a word with his cabinet and they hopefully will have agreed to put an unofficial halt to immigration by Muslims until this crisis is over. That’s what I would have done in his place. However, the public service being what it is, the Labour Party would soon find out about it, but on the other hand, I would hope that they would also agree that this is the time to halt such immigrants. By the way, is there one Muslim country amongst the 60-odd muslim nations that takes such refugees? Or any refugees for that matter?

  • bristol

    Great post. One small observation – I cannot find evidence anywhere that the Malala quote is genuine. Malala’s hobby-horse is unimpeded education for females, which of course Islamists, such as the Taliban, ISIS and Boko Haram, are against. In her various quotes, she constantly refers to wars and terrorism, but nowhere does she mention ‘Islam’. Although it was the Taliban that tried to kill her for her stance, unable to join the dots, she still cannot bring herself to denounce, let alone renounce, the religion that spawned them.

    • pak

      There are one or two quotes from her book where she speaks directly about Islam – one of which is “How will you accept Islam if I put a gun to your head and say Islam is the true religion?”, but like you, have not been able to find this particular quote above elsewhere.

  • Zoneman Tyler

    Islam..Contributing to humanity since…

  • andrew carrot

    Innocence is something that remains in the eye of the Islamic beholder. Putting aside the Christian and Jewish ultra-enemies, along with everybody else, Sunni Muslims are bound by to wipe out Shia Muslims, Kurdish Muslims are the target of both (and so-called ‘secular’ Turkey), Taliban kill all Muslims, especially those with an education, etc.

  • tinfoilhatguy

    The word ‘peace’ is another one to be very wary of. Peace in Islam has a very different meaning. Peace as we in the West understand it, where everyone can live in
    society without regard to religion or belief, does not exist in Islam as peace can only be achieved when the non-Muslim world is totally defeated and there is nothing left in the world but the Dar Al Islam.

    When a Muslim speaks of peace, the destruction of everything non-Islamic and the death of every non-Muslim has to happen first.

  • petedude

    Today’s sociopolitical environment provides the perfect storm for Islam.

    The west has strong laws and almost universal ethical sensibilities that will not allow us to those prevent members of a particular religion from immigrating, nor can we oppose Muslims having as many children as they want (and raising their children to hate non-Muslims), establishing exclusive communities, building mosques, practicing hate speech (it’s just freedom of expression), and even implementing limited versions of their own Sharia justice system.

    In fact, we strongly defend all these things – the western media and politicians are constantly excusing Muslims for their atrocities, as are the ignorant multitudes who have never set eyes on the Quran yet feel confident enough to claim it’s a book of “peace and love”. Not long ago the media were hailing the so-called “Arab Spring” as a revolution for democracy, when in fact it looked more like the beginning of a major push toward extreme Islamic government and Sharia law throughout the Middle East.

    Muslim population growth is twice that of the general population, and millions of non-Muslims are converting to Islam annually (there are few conversions in the opposite direction, as the punishment for this is death). Yet the most vocal opponents to the rapid spread of Islam are either other religions (sorry Cam) with their own strong beliefs and agendas, or neo-Nazis and other nasty nationalistic nutters. So those who are speaking up the most against Islam are those with very little credibility.

    Basically we’ve already lost. Best to start raising your children as good Muslims, so future generations of your family won’t be persecuted when the whole world is living under Sharia law in a century or so.

  • Groinpiece

    Certainly the UK appears to have lost and after viewing this clip I have absolutely no desire to visit my grandparent’s homeland. There is no turning back from this now. To try and do so WILL result in civil war. God help our children and grandchildren.

    • Intrigued

      That is a shocking insight into what is happening in Britain. I lived there in the first half of the 1990s and never saw anything like that. We had been planning a trip to the UKand Paris for the Paris open this year but I am really unwilling to go now which is sad. We are at war…!

    • Eiselmann

      Yeap England has changed, the home my dad was born in is in the middle of a no go zone for non muslims , discovered that back in 2003 when I was last in England…..in 1994 there were no areas in my dads hometown that I could not go to….
      Many Muslims believe that by 2050 England will be Islamic, at this point in time many of Britians leaders are naively embracing that prospect by refusing to even acknowledge there is a problem…millions of lifes have been lost protecting Britain and today they are surrendering with a PC whimper…

  • Luis Cannon

    When Britain declared war in WW1 the authorities knew that the enemy had to demonized to galvanize public opinion behind the war effort. Cartoons showing the enemy eating babies and ripping bodices from women were part of the propaganda. Until Islam and the retards who promote it are fully exposed for the scum that they are the ideology of hate can never be defeated. A good start would be to deal with the enemies within. Note to John Key: Watch lists just won’t cut it or hand wringing after an ‘event’.

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