How our media is reporting French terror

Just so you know, there were just gunmen and hostages.  Apparently

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Hostages.  A siege.

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Brothers that are gunmen, and an attack.

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Brothers.   Not even a siege, or gunmen.

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Hostages only, for Radio New Zealand

And beacon in the NZ media honesty darkness

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Well done Stuff for calling it what it is.

 

How about overseas?

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CNN is happy to call it terrorism, but they cast a lonely shadow.

 

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BBC talks hostages and gunman.  No terrorism.

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To Associated press it’s a hostage crisis.

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And to Reuters it is a hostage siege.

 

In the mean time the French president has made a statement

Hollande: France mourns four killed

Hollande confirms that four people were killed in the siege in the Vincennes supermarket. It is unclear if this number includes the hostage-taker.

“I want to salute the police and and all those who participated in the operations. I want to tell them we are proud of you,” Hollande adds, saying they they saved the hostages and “neutralized” the terrorists.

Along with the prime minister, Hollande says “we have reinforced protection of our public spaces, to guarantee that we can live quietly, in peace, so that at no moment we will be subject to risk and threats. But we must remain vigilant.”

“Unity is our best arm.”

Calls the attack on Vincennes a terrifying ‘anti-semitic attack”.

Hollande adds: numerous state chiefs around the world have expressed their solidarity with us. They will be here on Sunday. I will be with them. I call on all the French to get up together this Sunday to carry the value of democracy, liberty and pluralism.

If the French president calls them terrorist, why is the media at large avoiding the T word?

What is going on with our mass media, in general?

 

 

– Twitter, The Guardian

 


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  • Obama

    “Events have been fast moving, I just spoke to my counterterrorism advisor, we have been in close touch with the French government. … Since the moment that this tragedy began we directed all of our enforcement and counterterrorism to providing whatever our ally needs.

    “We’re hopeful that the immediate threat is now resolved [but] the French government needs to stay vigilant, the situation is fluid.”

    Obama then made a broader remarks about what the attacks mean for the France and US going forward:

    “France is our oldest ally. I want people of France to know that the United States stands with you today, stands with you tomorrow. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families who have been directly impacted. We grieve with you. We fight alongside you to uphold our values, the values that we share – universal values that bind us together as friends and as allies.

    “In the streets of Paris, the world has seen once again what terrorists stand for. The have nothing to offer but hatred and suffering. We stand for freedom and hope and the dignity of all human beings. That is what the city of Paris represents to the world and that spirit will endure forever, long after the scourge of terrorism is banished from this world.”

    So.

    French presidents calls it terrorism. US president calls it terrorism.

    Most media still talk about gunmen and hostages and avoid the T-word.

    Why?

    • bristol

      Meanwhile, White House spokesman: “US needs to ‘redouble’ efforts to
      explain the true ‘tenets’ of Islam.”
      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/white-house-spokesman-us-needs-to-redouble-efforts-to-explain-the-true-tenets-of-islam

    • Damon Mudgway

      Hmmmmmm, I love the smell of bacon in the morning.

    • cows4me

      “France is our oldest ally”. I always thought most in the US didn’t really care for the French that much. Didn’t they have a big argument over calling chips French fries?

      • [MOD] Let’s not go off on a tangent here.

        • cows4me

          Sorry Pete

      • Goes back to the revolutionary war against the poms…France supplied weapons and other stuff to the revolutionaries.

  • symgardiner

    My guess is that the majority of the MSM haven’t been on the end of death threats. When you have, events of terror become a bit personal and real. Maybe the Fairfax editors have had this experience.

    • I think they get them constantly. I’ve seen it at our end. We get threats all the time. We had some over the last few days.

      What I suspect is this is more to do with being risk averse and corporate lawyers are involved. Insurance premiums. Lawsuits about inciting violence against employees. That sort of thing.

      • Salacious Crumb

        Then I would suggest they got some poor advice in the lead up to last years election. As soon as lawyers get involved with any sort of messaging, regardless of the industry, you’re on a slippery slope.

  • Josey

    They report this way because of the fear of being sued by Muslims. Notice they do not use the words ‘ Islamist terrorists’. The only news station I have link this fact over the past 48 hours is Fox news.

  • nzd.gbp

    Could it be that your mass media is finally refusing to give these criminals a religious or poilitical association? Perhaps about time. These guys are murderers. We already have words in our culture for murder, we don’t need to embellish with nonsense such as “islamic criminality” as I saw the other day, or “islamic terror” or “terror attacks”. Murder is terrifying, yes we know already. Why this demand to add the “Islam” to the label? You think you are on solid ground when you hold up any other faith-based decision making process as somehow better?
    Our free thinking, free speaking, western culture already has a way of understanding these types of attacks as codified by our legal system that we’ve worked out carefully and calmly over generations and we decided to call this criminal behaviour, murder. Every murderer has a motive and grandiose sense of themselves and their rights but we don’t need to care about that or give them the right to define their crimes on their own terms. They couldn’t control someone’s mouth so they shut them down with violence. This happens in lots of ways whether it be murder, rape, domestic violence, racism, sexism etc all the time. Your fascination with sensationalist and elaborate labels is just stamp collecting and won’t change diddly squat.

    • Very few Muslims are terrorists. Most terrorists are Muslims. You call it stamp collecting, while I call your view white washing and ignoring factual reality.

      • nzd.gbp

        there is nothing factually wrong with the statement you made, Pete. and yet, it adds nothing to the analysis.

        • spanishbride

          If it is just a lone wolf murder then we are not obligated to take action. If you call it what it actually is then you must do something about it and address the issues. It is VERY telling that they do not want to call it what it actually is. Ask yourself why they are reluctant to give it the correct label. This is not semantics this is fear.

          • nzd.gbp

            yes probably is fear. I’m afraid of irrational people with guns too. It’s a survival instinct. I’m saying that I’ve heard complete dickheads refer to themselves as christians, for example, but I quietly reserve the right to call BS on that and make my own judgements about the reason for their behaviour. These guys thought of themselves as excellent muslims. So what? What do they know? They can’t even respond to a cartoon with a little bit of proportion, how are they going to know whether they are good muslims or not?

          • MaryLou

            This is where the need for tools like the new warrantless surveillance comes in. We have identified a threat, and can see how it is playing out overseas. We have 2 choices – completely overreact and try to rid society of the threat (which would produce abhorrent results), or identify and deal with individuals as we find them, and before they can act. The only way we can do this is to allow the authorities to do their job. So now more than ever we need to weigh the character of our leaders, be that departmental or governmental.

          • nzd.gbp

            no i really don’t agree here. police should not be given carte blanche to do invasive surveillance without clearing it with a judge first. this to me is a fundamental western virtue and i don’t think we should give it up just to make police work easier. call an emergency evidence evaluation session if needs be, but don’t just give the cops (as much as i respect them) access to us based on expediency. the police force is too powerful already when it comes to an individual taking them on and frankly, i don’t entirely trust any human with that much power over others.

          • MaryLou

            Not talking carte blanche, and frankly with the effort to get through the limited powers they’ve just been given I don’t reckon that’ll happen. Cross-party agreement is absolutely necessary, and done as temporary emergency powers with regular, thorough reviews. But I think there will out of necessity be some tools made available that are not publicised. Otherwise if everybody knows what they are, everyone will know how to avoid them. So we really need to scrutinise the background of those we elect, and those that are appointed to roles of significance. This is somewhere I think Kiwi’s can be a bit lax. Just look at voter turnout

          • nzd.gbp

            you have more faith in our protectors than I do, I think.

          • MaryLou

            It’s not faith, it’s weighing up options. We can go vigilante, we can do the the dragnet, or we can use the people whose job it is to keep us safe. To me the only option out of the three – is the third. Having done that, we can’t wash our hands and walk away, so we need to be proactive in scrutinising the powers we give them, and reviewing how those powers are used.

            I forgot – there is a fourth option, and that is doing nothing. But we are agreed, aren’t we, that we can’t do that?

          • nzd.gbp

            Of course we need to do something. Our reaction to this crime will need to be a dynamic responsive act, but I’m worried that the policy will anticipate crime before it it happens and shut likely targets down, based on profiling by people who think they can identify criminals based on what religion they are said to follow. That worries me. Having said that, I also understand that planning to commit a crime is a crime and can legally be stopped, as it should be, so let’s stop it at the planning stage rather than the pre-planning stage. That’s just too much power open to too much abuse.

          • MaryLou

            I think we’re pretty close to agreeing, and the concerns are valid. Oversight is absolutely key. Even if we were to end up somewhere in between what you and I think is right, it’ll be a better situation that what some more “passionate” people would like to see happen.

        • I have no need for analysis. I have a need to call the problem of Islam, the threat of Islam, as it has grown over the last decades, for what it is: a threat to the way of life and values that we want to live by, and are now eroded to the point where we feel insecure in our own societies, we moderate our language as to not become targets ourselves, and we appear to cower behind cold unemotional ‘analysis’ when the threat is as real as it is emotional.

          • Mrs_R

            Exactly Pete. How can society protect itself, or even defend itself, if it does not accurately identify it’s enemy.

          • nzd.gbp

            well i would argue that they only took what we gave them. Helen tried to get a crazy guy with an axe charged with sedition for God’s sakes. Hate speech laws have told us to be quiet for ages. It’s our own lawmakers that have got us into this situation, for our own good, so they say.

          • nzd.gbp

            being able to be cold and analyse the situation calmly no matter how horrific, is our western way and has stood us in good stead. It’s something to be proud of and is one thing that sets us apart from these angry, religious based cultures. Being calm is not cowering. It’s called being an adult.

        • Mags

          That’s where my opinion begins to diverge from yours. It adds a lot to the analysis. Isn’t it the starting point of the analysis?

          • nzd.gbp

            I might be wrong. I know nothing about islam and nor do i care to spend my time studying it. I’d rather do other things. I just don’t see these kind of impulses bubbling under the surface of the many muslims I know. I don’t know what makes someone a radical when it comes to religion. It’s as if it’s a euphemism for someone who takes their religion literally, but how can that be true? You are a radical when you break the law in the name of your religion and in this sense, what I do know is that all murderers have some things in common. An excuse to start with, and a grudge. Not all muslims have a grudge.

      • Effluent

        Only a minority of Germans were Nazis, but the Nazi ideology, (aided by murder, pogroms, thuggery, and intimidation) was used to silence the opposition of the majority.
        Appeasement didn’t work, and it eventually became necessary to fight force with force. The Appeasers held the upper hand for most of the thirties, and anyone who advocated a stronger stand against Nazism had to put up with all the same sort of vilification that the critics of Islamic fundamentalism face today. The parallels are stark, and the outcome uncertain.

        • nzd.gbp

          that’s true too but if you are going to get to the point where force is necessary, which it is when dealing with terrorists, you aim for the terrorists. don’t just go shooting germans in the hope that you’ll get all the nazis. you’ll just create more nazis.

          • Effluent

            Agreed.
            The point, which I should have made clearer, is that we have every right (and in my opinion, a duty) to condemn the poisonous and hateful ideology of Islam, as represented by its Salafist strand, as abhorrent, in the same way as Nazism is now rightly condemned, and to treat it as a serious threat to civilised existence.
            The difficulty arises when dealing with entire states, such as ISIL / Daesh whose raison d’etre is the promotion of this strand of Islam.
            Do you propose to wait until they are at your doorstep, or recognise that a stronger approach is needed to counter the spread of this ideology at the source?
            I don’t know the answer, but I do not believe that passive acquiescence in the spread of ISIL throughout the middle east is going to work.

          • MaryLou

            This is where perhaps arguing one view point becomes too narrow. You are correct in what you say, but at the same time we do need to take account of repercussions. Going back through WO blogs it seems the majority of people go with Pete’s line above – Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all (or most terrorists are Muslim. Yet we have reports from France coming in of a number of between 25 and 40 mosques depending on where you read it – attacked or burnt over the last 24 hours. I get it. I get why. Still a lot of innocent people will have been caught up in that.

          • nzd.gbp

            for what ever reason, a lot of muslims keep quiet about the actions of some people who also call themselves muslims. let’s give the quiet ones the benefit of the doubt rather than just assume they’re all in it together. a lot of western lefties come out and vocally support the actions of terrorists. i’m more worried about them, to be honest.

          • MaryLou

            I’d go with “as worried”. The job of security staff is to ensure they differentiate between the talkers and the threats, as well as the quiet but deadly. And now we’re back to making sure they have the tools to do so…

          • nzd.gbp

            i don’t think it’s fair to make the cops clean up the mess created by years of undermining our core western values by our own lawmakers over the years. they should be fine with the tools they already have. They are quite extensive. don’t give a guy who is a bad shot, a bigger gun to compensate.

          • MaryLou

            Re-evaluation of tools or “guns” needs to be an ongoing process, ie never finished. People change, technology changes – it’s not about bigger guns, it’s about making sure the gun is appropriate for the job.

          • nzd.gbp

            i agree with you completely. we should be absolutely free to think and say what we please, no ifs, no buts. we have a clear enemy there – anyone who tells us what we can and can’t say. our own lawmakers have failed us in this respect, all over the western world. i propose we only attack once the target is clearly identified.

    • dgrogan

      To fight it, you have to identify it.

      This is about radical Islam murdering innocent, specific targets. It’s not about random murders or murderers.

      • nzd.gbp

        some guys with a value system that allows them to respond to insults with murder felt insulted and so murdered. these guys have more in common with the murderers in our prisons than with the muslim people i work with every day.

        • dgrogan

          “some guys with a value system that allows them to respond to insults with murder”. Yes. As I said, radical Islam.

          I really do hope none of your work associates become radicalised.

          • nzd.gbp

            so do i, but i have to be honest and say that i don’t know where the line is between moderate and radicalised in value systems that are, from their first principles, not based on any kind of reason to start with. how do you know when your are suddenly in radicalised territory?

          • nzd.gbp

            i think a better place to start the alaysis is by looking at others who feel entitled to murder. i.e. those that actually did it and we caught.

        • luke

          I disagree. For Muslims the Koran is the literal word of god. They cannot pick and choose what to believe. The extremists carry out the instructions in the Koran to the letter.

          • nzd.gbp

            but most of them do seem to be picking and choosing with a clear conscience. some of them are quite nice people even.

          • luke

            I absolutely agree, but the decent majority are also in fear of the extremists. Hardly surprising they don’t openly condemn terrorist acts. What has been pointed out many times is, the peaceful majority can become irrelevant very quickly.

          • nzd.gbp

            so let’s go for the criminals in our society then, not those who look like some others who have committed crimes.

          • luke

            On the basis the authorities had been monitoring the people responsible for the terrorist attacks in France, it would seem the human rights act hinders our ability to eliminate this type of threat. Same as the Islamic killer in Sydney, he was known AND had an extensive criminal record. I believe the authorities back off to avoid ‘upsetting’ the Muslim community or worse be accused of Islamophobia.

          • nzd.gbp

            yes that’s crazy. all of these guys were known to our overlords. i hope they don’t back off from pursuing them because they are worried about public opinion all of a sudden. muslims don’t like being murdered by extremist murderers (is there any other kind?) either.

      • Bryan

        there is a very interesting clip on utube about the seige of vienna in the 1600’s where they confronted a massive 300000 turkish army of islam and with the aid of the Poles defeated them when christian europe united to stand against the onslaught. Islam has been trying to take europe for centuries and the present get emergency access to a country and then bring in the relations and then breed like billow and then demand that country completely change all their ways to suit them is nothing new, it’s just a new version of attack. Why is that so many of these refugees by past so many countries to get to Britain with colder climate and style so different to the countries and climate they left? they has to be more to their activity than meets the eye

        • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

          Invasion by stealth.

    • MaryLou

      In so many ways I agree with you – it goes against what I have learned over many years, working in close association with many Muslims. But I also think drogan is right – where there is a pattern it must be identified as that’s how you learn best to deal with it.

      Unfortunately people will use that knowledge to different ends – to me it should be a tool for authorities to proflie (yes, profile) and identify potential terrorists as well as make policy decisions to ensure the threat is not increased. I’m aware that others will see it as licence for far worse.

      Doing nothing is not an option, and the place to start is to call it what it is.

      • nzd.gbp

        the problem is, once the labels and the response is in our body of law, it’s there and can be used by any future parliament. (and annulled, true). I’m not suggesting doing nothing. I’m suggesting be careful about what you do. I don’t believe for one minute that I can look at a muslim person and draw a strong connection to any of these murderers. they may share the same label, sure, but that is not a great basis for a response. lot’s of bad people think they are doing god’s work. their opinion about themselves is not a reliable piece of evidence when judging others.

        • MaryLou

          No, but nonetheless, we can’t ignore the big glaring parallel between all the instances to date. In every case I’ve seen, these people have given themselves away to a big enough degree that deserved monitoring. Under current law – or that of a couple of weeks ago), there wasn’t enough that could be done. After all, free speech is free speech, even if it is abhorrent to the vast majority. So yes, I think there are markers, and apparently we already know of 40 “risks” in NZ, with another 40 that we need more information on. Let’s make sure we get that information. I’m in agreement with you that the response needs to be targeted rather than a wide net approach, we just have to do it very, very well. And, frankly, look at immigration policy.

          • nzd.gbp

            yes i agree. we do have to do it very very well, there is no alternative. do it wrong and you end up in the situation like we are in the uk and the rest of europe, with angry, war-damaged, unemployed, hated young men staring you down when you walk past the estate (that i pay for with my taxes).

    • Dave_1924

      Sorry but NO. These guys a terrorists of an Islamist flavour. End of.

      By saying they are just nutters and murders deflects attention form the underlying issue about what the they don’t like in the West. Namely this “Our free thinking, free speaking, western culture”

      There is a fundamental issue at stake here which is a deep philosophical one. Liberal and Secular Western ideas and ideals versus Fundamentalist Religious ideas and ideals on the other. If we don’t acknowledge that then the problem will persist.

      The lunacy of the thoughts that motivate these guys need addressing as does the conditions of lack of economic opportunity that create the bitterness and alienation that peddlars of fundamentalist claptrap exploit to create these killiing machines.

      Sunlight and truth telling are required, not obscuring what in fact we are facing.

      • nzd.gbp

        Ok that might have been more interesting if you didn’t start with NO in capitals and then say your views are the “End of”. End of what? The discussion? Okay then. night night.

        • Dave_1924

          Fair enough…. But your original post was emphatic in its rejection of these guys as terrorists… but i suppose thats ok?

          • nzd.gbp

            I don’t really know how to answer that. No, my original post wasn’t empathetic in it’s rejection of calling these guys terrorists. They certainly are terrorists. What they did is terrifying and deliberately so. I’m really just trying to comment on the seeming trend here to all flock around a nice easy answer for this and go rampaging off under the hyperbole. Isn’t plain old murder dramatic enough for you?

          • Dave_1924

            NZD you stated: “These guys are murderers. We already have words in our culture for
            murder, we don’t need to embellish with nonsense such as “islamic
            criminality” as I saw the other day, or “islamic terror” or “terror
            attacks”.”

            To paraphrase:
            “We dont need to emblish with nonesense….. “terror attacks””

            Sounds fairly emphatic to me you are rejecting labelling these guys as terrorists with those words.

            And for what it matters NZD… I actually agree we shouldn’t go rampaging off and say its all muslims.

            Its some evil people who believe in very intolerant, fundamentalist strands of Islam who are leveraging some very gullible and unhappy people in to committing terrorist attacks. Sometimes for purely slanted religious motives at other times I suspect for more prosaic geo-political and plain old venal financial motives

            However that doesn’t mean that all Muslims don’t have a problem to resolve with what is occurring. It needs addressing inside the Muslim community whether they are 1 – going to tolerate scum acting in their name and what they are going to do about and 2 – how they are going to move Islam forward to root out the fundamentalist understanding that anything, and I mean anything, is OK if it advances the cause of Islam.

            However you attempt to cast it there is a fundamental clash of philospohical positioning going on: Surrender all unto God/Allah versus respect for individual freedom within a man made legal framework. Oil and water

  • Korau

    The Times Of Israel are more upfront

    “France is facing a terrorist onslaught, with two fatal incidents in Paris on Friday,”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/terror-onslaught-in-paris/

    They have had a closer acquaintance with terrorists, and recognize them for what they are.

  • spanishbride

    This tweet made steam come out of my ears.

    • Yeah, because they mobilised 60,000 police and troops to catch two “gunmen”.

    • LesleyNZ

      They are not “men” either – they are evil, murdering cowards.

      • spanishbride

        From what I have read they were orphans who came under the evil influence of a well known Muslim religious leader who no doubt filled their hearts with hate and used them as weapons. It is not the first time according to the MSM that this leader has done this yet he remains free in France to indoctrinate and create these ‘ lone wolves’

        • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

          So why doesnt this “leader” just disappear? No body, no trace means no martyr. Spread rumours of his debauchery with goats or what have you and give him a copper jacketed pill behind an ear.

          Sorry but if you have a cancer in your body you cut it out and stop it poisoning the rest of your body. This guy (and many like him) is no less than a cancer on society.

    • Michael_l_c

      Unfortunately many of us can’t comment honestly on your comment. If we did we would be banned. Suffice to say I agree with you.
      Europe is weak, NZ is weak but we have seen the warnings.
      Although I detest the extreme right wing & I do mean extreme, I can understand fears that drive them. Most politicians effectively enable the extreme left and right.
      We live in interesting times.

      • “Unfortunately many of us can’t comment honestly on your comment. If we did we would be banned. ”

        [MOD] There is no need for being precious. It was nice having you here.

    • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

      Well I guess that seals the deal with who wont be the next president of France…

  • LesleyNZ

    MSM are scared. And why is MSM not reporting the daily Christian targeted murders going on in – exactly in the same manner as the French murders – such as in this report below? 2014: The year of the Christian genocide. http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/03/2014-the-year-of-the-christian-genocide/ – Christian persecution at record high in 2014 compared to recent years.
    “The year 2014 saw more global persecution of Christians than any other year in recent history, and can only be compared to the first centuries when Christians were hunted down as criminals in the Roman Empire. The policy of the Emperor Diocletian, in fact, who reigned from 284-305AD, was remarkably similar to that taken by the Islamic State and Boko Haram: “Convert or die.”….So as Islamic extremists try to eradicate Christianity in its birthplace, and still others attempt to stamp it out in where it is growing fastest—Africa and China—the west seems somewhat complacent, and rests on the sacrifices of prior generations. Moreover, the western response seems often what has been called the “embarrassed silence of Christians in face of anti-Christian persecution.”

  • grumpy

    I thought this was a brilliant send up of the media reporting of these terrorist attacks…..http://pickeringpost.com/story/censorship/4376

    • Mrs_R

      Thanks for posting that link grumpy. What a great read and if possible WO should post the article in it’s entirety. Thanks again.

  • Herald on Sunday editor shows she’s right on the ball with the world’s events.
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    • Damon Mudgway

      Un…b…f…n…lievable.

      M.A. appears to be a moron. Or perhaps, doesn’t follow the news?

      • [MOD] Seriously? You’ve not read our commenting rules? I expect better from you. I’m going to delete that comment, considered doing a 30 day delete, but … don’t give me an excuse. People are looking at the comments on this blog and judging all of us by it. Lift your game.

    • OneTrack

      Nothing to see in France. Look, look over there, ….. etc., etc.

  • ShoreRight

    I watched TV constantly last night , flicking between CNN , Fox and BBC – all three in my opinion were being very honest about what was happening – usually CNN can be very left wing but again in my opinion I feel they have covered this well ( you always have to sift out some dross with them).
    When I watched the TV 1 news at 6pm – the coverage was very fleeting and well behind the big news networks.

    This is our new world war – the media have to stop dumbing it down and sanitising it – they are giving in to “the threat” if they do.

  • crosstherubicon

    Already the western journalists and MSM are making excuses for these Islamic scum.
    It’s the rise of Islamaphobia, It’s the rise of the far right, Muslims are the true victims, the young men were poor and disenfranchised and felt left out.
    Muslims are always victims. No where in the west are there reports of Muslims being attacked on the streets by Christians or Jews or Hindus, not one person has been attacked. On the other hand in Britain Christians are being attacked on our streets by gangs of Muslims for being gay, having a beer, wearing a short skirt in sharia areas of British and French cities; but no, according to the left it’s the Muslims who are the victims.
    The left wing progressives are also the enemy of truth and of freedom in the west.

    • Albert Lane

      And still we keep on importing them.

    • Albert Lane

      Yes, we’ve already been told that one of the brothers had a most menial job of delivering pizzas with no real hope of succeeding in life.

      • OneTrack

        They should have just opened a kebab shop.

  • Wendy

    If the msm were to acknowledge these acts as terrorism they would then have to concede there would be some justification for the GCSB and the anti-terror/spying laws.

    I can see hell freezing over before they would do that.

    • Aucky

      Absolutely agree Wendy. Was there ever a bigger vindication of John Key’s actions in tightening our security.

      Where do you stand now Russel Norman? And what about you Phil Goff? I’ll tell you where – any credibility that you had has been shot to pieces. You are unfit to hold public office.

      • Albert Lane

        And why is John Minto so quiet? Or is he quietly gloating over the success of the islamic invasion into the hated west?

        • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

          Yes the left seem to be very quiet of late. A very uncomfortable pregnant pause with the sound of crickets still filling the void.

          Those damned terrorists have blown their protests about anti terrorism measures to hell and back.

          • IKIDUNOT

            Ghee, I thought the left was simply on holiday…..and events of the last few weeks ‘don’t justify’ breaking up your holiday…. afterall, it’s not like John Key texting WO.

  • timemagazine

    Why? Because the media can not escape their political correctness. It is in their DNA.

  • Albert Lane

    Tune in to RT on your TV set. One of their usual untidily-dressed correspondents in the UK blames the US for causing the problem, due to their involvement in the Middle East. They are simply mouthpieces for Putin’s constant anti-US rhetoric. Why they are even allowed to broadcast their propaganda in the West is beyond me. I wonder who is permitting them to do it.

    • Dave_1924

      Disagree Albert. RT is a valuable source to consider. Their bias is undeniable, but it always pays to listen, deconstruct the viewpoint and glean information from it. Let them broadcast….

      • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

        Agreed. If you take a news story and view it from various sources (with their biases) in the end you get a better all round view of a story, but you just have to be able to sort the biased dross from the pure detail.

      • Albert Lane

        Yes, it is important, but what worries me is that when some people phone talk-back and quote the lies that pour out of RT, I can see then that their anti-west propaganda is working. However, from a purely intelligence-gathering and military viewpoint, the comments can be quite revealing at times, and it’s very much part of what’s called ‘Know your Enemy”. I must concede though, that quite a lot of their news is more timely than many of the other news organisations, and, excluding the propaganda segments, it’s accurate news. My worry is that so many of our young people will believe the lies and exaggerations that are being told.

      • parorchestia

        And they sometimes have some excellent documentaries.

    • Henry Filth

      It’s called Freedom Of Speech. We fought a World War and a Cold War to preserve it.

  • luke

    Anyone interested/fearful/angry about the threat of Islam must read this post: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/01/afraid-islam-even-liberal-left/ watch the video it’s amazing. At 29 minute mark, I had a revelation about Jihad vs the Crusades.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    To date I admire how The French are conducting themselves; articulate proactive and measured meeting adversity head on but not hysterical.
    Nabila Ramdani on Al Jazeera stated she believed the way the situation has been reported is because people more focused ” …. on sacred values that need to be protected…..”
    Perhaps all politicians in NZ and msm need to regroup and consider what are the “sacred values” in NZ that require protection, it would be a unified beginning to prevent a similar event here….. and the msm just pondering.
    My heart goes out to the families reeling from a loved one killed from all that has taken place in the last few days.

    • Aucky

      We have a major problem in NZ as we do not have an effective parliamentary Opposition. There is no unity of purpose between the three parties and on top of that Labour is riddled with its own self-seeking factions. In a perfect world the Opposition would put its support behind the Government in the face of this massive threat to our values and our society. Instead we have watered down support from Labour, rank opposition from the Greens and God knows what from NZF.

      As for the NZ MSM – with few exceptions they have already made their views clear and planted their flag fair & square in the left camp. That was always to be expected but let’s see what happens when the public throws its weight behind the new security measures post the French incidents & the upcoming Cricket World Cup. At best our media are fair weather friends & fence sitters and I’m betting that they will switch their ‘allegiances’ on this issue once they feel the pressure of public opinion.

  • sarahmw

    I have been watching CNN since the terror attack happened. Top class coverage with lots of guest experts and their professional commentators all adding to a balance mix of comments. I’m still watching after 3 days and have not bothered with Nz MSM.

  • R&BAvenger

    On the front page of The Press in Christchurch this morning, nothing. Buried under the international news section. Headline news about a supposed threat to tourism in Christchurch due to delays in Avon River Anchor Project, plus a n item on fires around the city yesterday.

    • parorchestia

      There’s never anything important (internationally) on the front page of The Press. And it international news section is meagre at best.
      I read the news on my tablet.

  • Patterson

    The other thing that is not being mentioned in the MSM is the toxic anti-semitism that permeates Islamic Facism worldwide and France in particular. The Jewish community in France has been repeatedly targeted by these terrorists because anti-semitism is woven into the terrorists ideology… See this 5 part series about the toxic anti semitism that now permeates France …
    http://tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/178958/frances-toxic-hate-1-nemmouch

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