NZ Imam makes it clear: There is no compromise, we stop, or they hurt us

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Sultan Eusoff Photo: RNZ / Max Towle

Religious leaders from the different faiths spoke of the need to get along, and for their religion to not be defined by extremists.

A solemn audience heard messages of unity from the leaders.

The Jewish co-chair of the Wellington Council of Christians and Jews, Dave Moskovitz, called on people of all faiths to stand together.

A muslim spokesperson for the group, Sultan Eusoff, said he hoped all people of Islam, including those in New Zealand, would not be tarred with the same brush as those who killed 17 people in France.

So far, so good right?  Get ready for the sting in the tail:

The imam of the Kilbirnie mosque where the vigil was held, Sheikh Mohammed Zewada, urged people to avoid creating any image of the prophet Muhammad.

He said this was the only way of achieving peace. [ my emphasis ]

And there you have it.

Islam and western freedom are incompatible.

Never the twain shall meet.

Draw an image of Muhammad, and there will be no peace.  And “no peace” is saying:  War.  Conflict.

Can politicians please let this sink in?

Halt all Muslim immigration to New Zealand now.

 

Final thought: true tolerance would have had that meeting in a synagogue.

 

– RNZ

 


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  • Mark

    I’ve tried to hold out hope of a better way,but there is no point any more,damn sad but Muslims have brought this on themselves.

    “Halt all Muslim immigration to New Zealand now.”

    • Edward Bufe

      Thats the best idea I have heard this year, I just wish it was one of the governments New Years resolutions

    • JustanObserver

      If there was a referendum initiated in the current climate, we could quite conceivably get upwards of a million signatures in a week or two …
      But then, could we expect our ‘elected’s’ to take any notice of it?

      • OneTrack

        No, we wouldn’t. The elites know best.

    • steve and monique

      Let’s put our heads together to start a petition to halt Muslim Immigration. They want to live separate lives then let’s single them out as the separatists that they are. This happened just as Cam said it would happen, the MSM would televise a Muslim who says they don’t agree of what happened to try and appease them yet again. Trouble with that is that the public aren’t that stupid or gullible. I am not saying he agreed with what happened but he in some way must agree with the so called “reason” behind it. If he truly doesn’t support this kind of terrorism then he must stand up and denounce it, There is no reason given that is EVER acceptable for mass murder. If you are against us, then I am sorry but you are a threat and you’ve got to go – the sooner the better

  • cows4me

    Stuff him.

    • Edward Bufe

      I am wholeheartedly behind that statement, just like to add. I am sure that the majority of New Zealanders would be most appreciative to him if he would just up and leave for good. Only then would there be some semblance of peace.

      • cows4me

        Good on you Edward, he’s basically saying it’s his way or no way. Don’t threaten us, you are welcome to live in our country and live by our laws, you came here by your choosing, it’s our country not yours. Quite frankly he should get on the first horse and leave dodge.

        • Hard1

          The Kilbirnie mosque is 30 seconds walk from a pub, a bottleshop and Countdown’s wine selection.
          Location, location, location.
          I think being right next to a petrol station is less odd, however.

      • mommadog

        Not going to happen. Leaving that is! Part of their mandate according to my understanding from the Koran is to spread out, infiltrate and take over the world.

        • OneTrack

          And they are all getting their bonuses – they are well ahead of their forecasts. Their modelling didn’t cover how many of the progressives would be so helpful.

  • SNAFU

    Wish I could have gone to this meeting. I would have confronted him on the spot in front of everyone. “you mean, that I have to live by your laws in my land otherwise we will be at war?”

    • OneTrack

      The answer is Yes.

  • Isherman

    Whats been grating me is the “religion of peace” tag that appears almost every time Islam is mentioned. Its either lazy or disingenuous because you could equally apply that tag to almost any religion, but its almost like there is an attempt to supplant what the term Islam actually means. Islam does not translate as peace. Islam translates literally as “Submission”, or “to Submit”.

    • GMAK

      They don’t use it all the time, just after they masicare a bunch of people

    • Albert Root

      Clearly there is a huge disjuncture within islam as to what “peace”, the concept, actually amounts to. Kill thy neighbour seems acceptable to some; begrudging children and women an education and vaccinations seems appropriate to others. Death is a peaceful though unproductive pastime, so maybe that’s it? The religion of peace is actually the religion of death. Nail. Head. Hit.

      • Isherman

        Maybe it got lost in translation somewhere along the way, because the way many practice it, its more like the “religion of pieces”.

      • OneTrack

        It’s very peaceful when you’re dead.

    • OneTrack

      “its almost like there is an attempt to supplant what the term Islam actually means”

      And the truth will set you free.

  • Nigel_F

    The bit I don’t understand is how does anyone recognise an image as muhammad?

    • SNAFU

      He’s the one with the bomb and the 12 year old wife, and sceard of bacon.

    • Wallace Westland

      That’s easy. If the first thought that pops into your head when you see it is “That image looks like a women beating misogynistic child abusing sadistic pedophile with anger issues” then it’s probably an image of Mohammad and you should stop looking before your head is chopped off.

      • I think you are being a tad unfair, Wallace. I have it on good authority that he was very kind to children. Especially young women, In fact, very young women.

  • Alright

    Sheikh Mohammed Zewada, urged people to avoid creating any image of the prophet Muhammad.

    ….OR WHAT?

    • cows4me

      It’s all bull Alright, stop drawing pictures of some lunatic towel head and their would be some other outrage that we should submit to, it would never end.

      • Alright

        ….And to add insult to apparent injury I intend to hence forth include a “word cartoon” everytime I spell his beloved prophets name. Ergo: Muham-MAD.

        • wooted

          I note they say “Muhammad (PBUH)” as in Peace Be Upon Him.

          How about we saw “Muhammad (TJOH)” as in The Joke’s On Him.

          Or is that a Capital Crime too?

    • steve and monique

      And if our gutless MSM had any kahuna’s about them that would have been exactly what they asked him

  • 1951

    We should all send a card to the Kilbirnie Mosque wishing the Sheikh well & happy travels to his new home . We can each draw a lovely picture on the front as a good will gesture.

    • Dave

      I’m happy to do that, and include my own name, and a reccomended place for him to live. In saying that, he is very welcome to live in NZ, but the FIFO rule applies. Fit in (with the kiwi ways, values etc) or FLY OUT. There is no comprimise, and yes, we ALL get ridiculed from time to time, the differnec eis 99% of us just laugh it off, not kill the other person.

    • SNAFU

      The media will probaly just call us islamaphobes and far right radicals sending “hate mail” to “peaceful” “kiwi” muslims. Then they will start a trendy social media campaign with a trendy hashtag like #illjihadwithyou, and then all the hipsters will re tweet it and go out and hug muslims all day for a week. Then Campbell live will have the race relations comissioner on to tell us how we are all racists… Even though islam isn’t a race, its a belief system. Then labour will announce a party Christian ban and make sure that a least half of all religious labour party MPs are Muslim…. I don’t see it ending well, haha

      • Alright

        What you wrote is too close to the truth to be a joke.

        • 1951

          Sadly you are both right.

      • Cadwallader

        That’ll stuff up Labour’s gender balance significantly. Cunners: “I am sorry for being an Islamo!”

  • Bombastic

    Perhaps we should reinstate the National Draw Mohammed Funny Day.

  • Backdoor

    So why not show respect to all religions? Is it necessary to develop crude pictures of icons?

    I have never seen a derogatory pictorial of a rugby player, even if the are convicted of sexual abuse.

    • Doc45

      No its not “necessary” but is fundamental to freedom that one is able to if one chooses to do so with no negative consequences.

    • 1951

      I have yet to see a rugby player tell me what I can do and what I can’t do.

    • SkeptiK

      I think you miss the point. If the British press were to portray some NZ hero like say Ritchie McCaw as nothing more than a cheat… (oh, wait).

      That might be offensive. But we don’t have a law making it illegal – we don’t call it Blasphemy and it isn’t punishable by death. Also, a great many of us think that the freedom that allows such (sometimes offensive) portrayals and criticisms is a fundamental right and worth preserving even though we don’t agree with everything that is said.

      • Alright

        Re McCaw. Imagine the the ridicule: “New Zealanders declare Fatwa on the critic of their beloved Rugby Captain.”

    • Davo42

      Here you go Backdoor – this cartoon is from 2004 of Tana Umaga in women’s make-up, try doing that with a picture of Muhammad and see what it gets you.

      • Not Clinically Insane

        Isn’t it Ma’a Nonu being depicted/lampooned? He’s the one who admitted to wearing it

      • Hard1

        I must say Nisbet was pretty PC putting a silver pine tree just in case copyright was invoked.

    • Betty Swallocks

      I’ve never seen anyone gunned down for depicting crude images of the Pope, Jesus, or even Bishop Brian Tamaki for that matter, and there are plenty about.

  • Hard1

    As this debate moves forward, it is time to identify which Muslims we are to fear.
    The Saudi-backed Sunnis or the Iranian backed Shiites.
    Sunni are 6 times more numerous.

    http://static.diffen.com/uploadz/thumb/4/45/branches-of-islamic-law.png/800px-branches-of-islamic-law.png

    • Isherman

      Good point, because there are some branches of Islam (not always accepted by the two main branches) that I have no reason to fear whatsoever, Sufi Islam or Sufism would be foremost amongst these. I’ve yet to hear of a whirling Dervish that had any interest in militancy.

      • Cadwallader

        The whirling dervish who Corp Jones wanted “to stick it up him” had much to fear!

  • Doc45

    The nice Imam who has determined that the only caveat for peace is “no drawings of Muhammad ” is fooling no one. No rule has effect without consequence. If there is a drawing made, what then?? Ah, I hear, Sharia Law is the answer. Apply Sharia Law and those caught drawing Muhammad will get their just desserts. That is exactly what has happened in Europe- the slippery slope. Open the door an inch and you might as well remove it.

  • johnnyB

    I think we should accept his right in the first part of his statement that he can ‘Urge’ people not to create an image of Muhammad – he finds this troublesome so he can say this – just like I could urge people not to accept that the placement of a condom over a statue of Madonna is an art display – as it troubles me. The problem is where he states this is the ‘only’ way to achieving peace as this has an undertone of “if it doesn’t stop this is the result” The ‘only’ way is start preaching tolerance and not be so offended by others behaviour that it drives some of your followers into seething homicidal action.

  • Eiselmann

    Hi Eusoff , you don’t know me , like so many people in this country I was born here and its fair to say I’ve enjoyed a lot of the freedoms this country has to offer. I’ve also travelled a lot overseas ,met some really nice people, seen some awesome things but nothing matches New Zealand,
    I understand however that there are things we could and should, as a country, do better. Obviously you think this as well, since you have decided that if I just happen to draw a picture of Muhammad I would be responsible for , I guess, disturbing the peace(or would that be an act of war since there could be no peace). With that in mind could you please provide a list of all the things you believe I am not permitted to do in my own country as I understand you are a sensitive soul and your faith is so flimsy that even the slightest non-islamic based observation of it should be illegal in this country.
    I ask this of course as a public service I think its very important that my fellow New Zealanders know exactly what you think.

  • Dave

    Hey Sheikh Mohammed Zewada, please see the attached images, you see we kiwis and others from the western cultures poke fun and have a laugh at things in general, it keeps us all sane, and promotes acceptance. 99% of the time we all live in peace despite not completely agreeing with the other side of politics, sport or religion. Now, i dont expect any backlash, or death threats from the sports people, or politicians, or from the catholic church, so why should you react wit hviolence, what gives your religion of PEACE the right to summons violence and hate. Please explain that carefully.

    Virtual Choc fish, or virtual crate of Lion Red to anyone who can identify the chainsaw weilding rugby player!

    • Cowgirl

      Colin Meads? Known as ‘Pine tree’?

      • Pluto

        Brendan Laney ?

        • Cowgirl

          Yep you’re right – I didn’t recognise the face.

        • Dave

          100% correct, A virtual crate of Lion red is on the way to you, Enjoy :)

  • edee

    I have a message for the imam and that is …..
    Will you please urge ALL your people to stop/avoid killing people whose ideas and way of life is different to yours …. That is the only way of achieving peace.

    • Mikex

      This is a particularly rude thing to do when living in their country at your choice.

    • OneTrack

      You mean he should urge his people to ignore some of the basic tenets of their religion? Yeah, that’ll work.

  • Forgive the repetition. But, Radical Islam IS Islam ….. If we do not learn this very quickly, it may well be too late.

  • Justsayn

    If noone is allowed to make / display / possess a depiction of Muhammad, how do we know if any purported depictions are actually of him?

    The concept seems a bit self-defeating to me.

    • Cowgirl

      Perhaps the artists at Charlie Hebdo would still be alive today if they hadn’t written Muhammad in the text. Then we could all just pretend it was someone else.

      • Justsayn

        It is all so silly it is hard to rationalise… cannot try to draw a picture of him (accurate or not, respectful or not) but nearly every male born must share his name. Religions are stupid, but the person that came up with the rules of Islam must have been stoned at the time.

  • pirate vs ninja

    The ‘only way’ of achieving peace is not NZ excluding or barring a race or religion. How does that equate with our values of freedom? It makes us as bad as them.
    This Imam has every right to say whatever he damn well wants about his imaginary friend and his imaginary laws, just as I have every right to believe in the Tooth Fairy. What he doesn’t have a right to do, is take any action which directly harms another citizen. Muslims must, by the law of our land, ‘live and let live’. The onus is on the Muslim leaders in Western countries to lead their people to live compatibly alongside non-Muslims.

    • Ghost

      Noble sentiments, but you miss the point in what he is saying, he is a Muslim leader and he is not asking his people to live compatibly along side you, he is saying that if you don’t follow and obey their believe system then you will not have peace. Now saying you wont have peace is one thing, the next step is to make sure you don’t have peace, and you only need to look overseas to see the examples of this.

    • ex-JAFA

      They’re not especially interested in the law of our land. Or any land. I’m pretty sure the violence shown in the UK, Canada, France and elsewhere is and was against the laws of those lands.

    • OneTrack

      If that is what they are trying to do, they aren’t doing a good job.

  • jcpry

    How do we know what he actually looks like? I’ve seen several different versions of Jesus and god is even be a woman according to some.

    • Isherman

      Precisely, In fact given that Jesus was a Semitic Jew, I doubt very much that he would have had golden blonde hair, blue eyes, and a pale complexion which is how he’s commonly depicted.

      • Bob D

        Absolutely, he would have looked rather ordinary, I suspect, among the people of the day. If you are willing to accept Isaiah’s prophecy, then it says this:

        “He has no stately form or majesty that we should look upon Him,
        Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.”
        -Isaiah 53:2 NAS

      • Albert Root

        Jesus was a northern European, who happened to be holidaying in Israel when he discovered his calling. I too would want to be in Israel during a European winter, if the current one’s anything to go by.

    • Alright

      I hope God is a women. It is typically men who start wars.

      • Cracker1963

        Yeah, Maggie Thatcher & Golda Meir must have been men dressed in Drag cause they had no issues about going to War.

        • Alright

          I said “typically”… but now you mention it Golda is one of my heroes.

        • wooted

          And Indira Gandhi

      • thehawkreturns

        It is not a war that hasn’t begun. It hasn’t ended since the 7th century.

  • Watcher

    Dear Sultan,
    I will do what ever I want in my own country, provided it is within both the law and the societal boundary’s we presently enjoy.
    Please do not threaten me, as you have done with your statement re the only way of achieving peace, in my own country, I don’t react that well to threats.
    If I knew how to draw on this program, I would do a special depiction of MoreHammered just for you.

  • ozbob68

    Hey the Bible has gone through several revisions. Let’s see a new branch of Islam that removes the edict about depicting Mohammed (and removes a few other choice ones about death and punishment) and then you can claim to be a religion of peace. But while those passage fester away in their religious texts, then Islam is incompatible with Western Society.

    • Orange

      One of the key differences is that the Bible has not gone through several revisions. The religious texts are just that different.

      • ozbob68

        I seem to recall a chapter about “St George and the Dragon” in an older copy of the bible, which I am pretty sure no longer appears. (No copies to hand unfortunately to verify).

        • As something of a biblical scholar I can very confidently say you are completely mistaken. The time frame of when the Bible was wrjtten would completely preclude such a verse.

    • Albert Root

      The odd thing is that there are many different interpretations of the quoran.
      As a consequence, muslims spend more time killing each other, and in big numbers (shiite vs sunni, for instance) than taking out any one else.

  • I’d like to know what Muslim mothers in NZ tell their young girls about what stoning to death involves?

    • Albert Root

      “Don’t listen to what your 1996 Subbie WRX-driving brothers say about “getting stoned”. The best portrayal of a stoning can be found in the blasphemous movie, The Life of Brian. It is truly accurate.”

  • kiwihornplayer

    Muhammad and his Angel visitation was a giant fraud. Only an angel from the realms of hell could deliver such diatribe contained in the Quran to a sadistic pervert like him.

    Gabriel went to a lot of trouble to prepare the way for Christ’s mission of redemption and would never return hundreds of years later to undermine that work.

    The cornerstone of redemption is the return of the fallen (us) to Heaven and Christ’s Rule under God through allegience to Christ. Not through some dipstick under the influence of the realms of Hell.

  • Curly1952

    Reminds me of Jim Trott out of the Vicar of Dibley except the other way round Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, NO!!
    The Muslims are trying to put themselves out there as reasonable people but put the onus on other religions to dance to their tune so I don’t see much compromise.

    • OneTrack

      What do you mean, of course they compromise. If you do exactly what they say, they might not kill or enslave you. Can’t be fairer than that.

  • sarahmw

    This is my country, you I presume came to my country,yes my country. When I go to your country as I do I respect your country and dress accordingly. If you don’t like my country then please go back to yours where you will be happiness filled. Do not feel entitled to the rights in my country unless you accept our freedoms.

  • conwaycaptain

    If they don’t like NZ then they know where the airport is.

  • The Accountant

    Muhammad must have been one ugly m…. (you get the jist) to dream up the passage in his delightful book that says you can’t make any images of the Prophet. Hard to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Oops. Probably wouldn’t like the analogy either!

  • 1951

    Question: What is the background to this person, Shiekh M Z? Was he born in NZ? Does he have citizenship? When a student I had a few friends that wore little black caps on their head when they prayed several times a day and guess what they all wore ceremonial swords (kris) at the same time. I wonderif this little man’s bravado is supported by same offensive weapon tucked away beneath that smartly tailored jacket.

  • Perhaps we could all write a polite letter to the gentlemen himself asking him to explain how his religion allows him to justify the things that are done in the name of Islam.

    Sheik Mohammed Zewada, Wellington Masjid, 7-11 Queens Drive, Kilbirnie, Wellington

  • JC

    In a phrase it’s “Tolerance of the intolerable”.

    JC

  • edee

    Imam 2 questions for you. Which do you prefer?

    Drawing pictures or killing innocent people?
    Being creative or being destructive?

    • Zoneman Tyler

      He is moderate so he just likes happy weddings and stuff…

      • intelligentes candida diva

        Are you sure that isnt a first communion?

        • Zoneman Tyler

          Not in gaza no

        • sarahmw

          too young on all levels. the first 3 children look quite provocative. Sad.

        • Alright

          I agree ICD.

          Please!.

          They could be their fathers!

          Lets keep some perspective here!

          Organizing lynch mops around one photo is unbecoming (unless you are a radical Muslims).

      • tinfoilhatguy

        That’s a very disturbing photo.

        • Zoneman Tyler

          Whats more disturbing is the story behind it google “Rawan wedding night”

          • Wallace Westland

            Jesus wept!
            That’s appalling. The things we don’t know.
            :-(


          • Cadwallader

            I’d really enjoy hearing Germaine Greer’s position on this filth. Perhaps feminizes only care about middle class women and girls like they are themselves? This is nothing more than Pedo’s On Parade!

          • intelligentes candida diva

            Can you provide the link please?

          • I.M Bach

            Don’t do a search, it’s not nice.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    I feel sick reading that but thank you for the candid fact based reality check
    It is here in NZ no two ways about it
    I had a link shared to me by a relative and I too wondered why the vigil was at a mosque rather than a synagogue

    Edit Add on: Yes and agree 100% halt Muslim immigration please!!

  • dgrogan

    Ever thought it weird that Muslim clerics/associated leaders are always quick to SAY they hope all Muslims are not tarred with the same brash as fundamentalists?

    Why do they need to plead the victim? If they just condemned the fundamentalists and called for them to desist, we’d know from their ACTIONS where they actually stood.

    But their failure to do so tells me they would rather be portrayed as victims, rather than called apostates by the very thugs who are the perpetrators.

  • kayaker

    Dear Imam. A couple of things: Firstly, you live in New Zealand. If you haven’t noticed by now, Kiwis have a sense of humour, a lot of us have a satirical streak, we like to have a good laugh, poke fun and have fun poked right back at us. Lighten up. Try it, you’ll like it. Secondly, you have obviously have reached the tipping point of not liking to live in New Zealand. Perhaps it’s time to go back home where life is so much better for you.

    Edit: grammar

    • thehawkreturns

      He will not recognise NZ. Muslims cannot. There is one Islam. One caliphate.

  • JMC7

    And if we comply there will be complete and permanent peace?

    Nothing else will be deemed offensive enough to initiate a new wave of violence?

    No other “red flag” issues we should be aware of that will provoke further violent outrage?

    No further veiled threats if we don’t in future comply with some other requirement like, I don’t know, women covering up their bodies (just a bit at first, you’ll let us know what parts next), compulsory provision of halal meat, restriction of certain activities to men only? Alcohol and dogs banned from certain areas?

    Will we be required to get rid of anyone whose name ends in “-stein”?

  • tinfoilhatguy

    In Dante’s Inferno. mohammed is in the eighth circle of hell, which is reserved for those who commit sins of fraud and treachery. His stomach is split open as punishment for the division he has caused in the world and he is doomed to walk to the circle forever with his intestines hanging out. The book is illustrated accordingly.

    Imagine what would happen if the Inferno was published now? It would be absolute world wide carnage. Possibly world war 3. As the rest of the world advances, Islam is actually devolving.

    • Cadwallader

      Maybe the Inferno is prophetic?

    • Alright

      You suggest “Islam is actually devolving.” I suggest unraveling rather than devolving.

    • dgrogan

      Must be time for a re-print, surely?

      • I.M Bach

        I doubt Harper Collins would touch it, rofl.

  • The wildman

    Breaking news:just heard rachel smallmind on zb.talking about her experience in a muslim east suburb/slum while she was there.first a man walked up to her and drew his thumb across his throat and told her basically to f off a couple of women said the same and told her while she was filming that a film crew had lost their gear yesterday and she wasnt welcome.in the same breath she proceeded to call them “disillusioned and disfranchised”.what is wrong with this woman.happened about 4 10 pm.

    • sarahmw

      they are definitely not disenfranchised, they choose to live in groups outside the general population. Just like Somalis they do not integrate well and I believe alot of countries don’t take Somalis anymore because of this. I would say MsSmalley is disillusioned and has no idea. ZB is becoming my least liked radio station. Rachel they hate you, they hate me, they hate everyone.

      • The wildman

        Exactly

      • Cadwallader

        Sadly my listening to ZB is declining too. It was traditionally a great antidote to Nat Radio. I doubt there is nothing inane enough which Ms Smallbrain wouldn’t glibly espouse. She is very distant from being even an inept journalist she’s an idiot. Addressing anything more demanding than telling the time would be beyond her.

        • Albert Lane

          And next week, Leighton returns. Here is my prediction about his talkback programmes for this year (and it’s probably his last year behind a mike). He will not discuss politics, and he may even stay away from religious matters. He has kept away from political debate for some time now, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a condition of a new one-year contract. I hope I’m wrong.

      • OneTrack

        She should have been more respectful to them – and worn a tent. Just to show how culturally advanced she is.

      • JKV

        I think she’s called what they used to refer to as a useful idiot. Pathetic woman and shame on ZB for employing her.

    • mommadog

      I heard that and she asked at the end what the listeners thought and to email her. I did not waste my time doing so as it will make no difference to her thinking. She was talking through a hole in her head, trying to be some brave journalist in a foreign place where another journalist/film crew had recently been attacked. Not exactly the same as being a war correspondent but I think she was trying to show she’s an amazing journalist who goes to dangerous places to report back to us – talk about a failed want-to-be. As for those who lived there, of course its not their faults they choose to attack poor things. Its those nasty French people forcing them to live like that.

    • OneTrack

      She’s a left-wing retard. What else do you expect? No doubt she finished by blaming John Key, and if only JK hadn’t received texts from WhaleOil, it wouldn’t have happened. I am also sure she then mentioned “Dirty Politics” just to get all the left-wing memes mentioned.

    • JKV

      I hadn’t heard that but, sadly, unsurprising. This what is so frustrating. What does it take for these lefties to be convinced? I mean are their brains wired differently or something? I find it baffling that they can’t see what is straight in front of them. Bl**dy unbelievable. As Mark Steyn says ‘Who’re gonna believe, the local Outreach Diversity Officer or your lyin’ eyes’.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    Well now that blows any theories of it not touching NZ or that NZ muslims are tolerant and how many more romantic theories I have read I have lost count of.

    I was born in NZ,
    I have contributed to this countrys good as have my forefathers (my grand fafther fought in WW1 and ironically 2015 is about celebrating 100 years of a hard fought legacy toward our freedom and rights
    I have shown tolerance and acceptance of others views
    I have spoken up for my beliefs and or turned the other cheek to cartoons and jokes I have found offensive
    I have not taken a gun or knife to anyone who does not respect my beliefs
    I support freedom of expression and believe it in its raw form to be one of the values worthy of protecting in NZ

    Consequentially I believe my opinion ought to count, therefore this man his instructions and any who support the instruction ought to be made to leave NZ before NZ has a bloodbath incident(s) as in Syria, Iraq England, Canada, New York, Sydney, Paris, Sweden Germany and others

    Oh the frog in the hot water ~ HALT MUSLIM IMMIGRATION PLEASE!

    • The wildman

      Admittedly it would be difficuilt to (but not impossible) to stop “muslim” immigration.i think more on the lines of stopping people from certain countries that have’nt assimilated well overseas and this country.after all they could just say they were’nt muslim.sweeping changes needed with big broom.certain countries or better certain parts of the world need targeting.problem minimised.

      • Cadwallader

        Apparently Angola has and may be in the throes of expelling them?

      • Kiwibabe

        Agree. With few exceptions the South East Asian Muslims are very gentle and Europeans have remarked that these people are like night and day compared with those in Europe.
        Fortunately insufficient North African and Middle Eastern Muslims come to NZ to pose a major threat? Those regions should be black listed as having values completely incompatible with ours.
        Edit: meaning corrected.

        • thehawkreturns

          I am guessing the SE Asian Muslims use sharper swords for removing the heads of anyone they don’t like.

        • The wildman

          Yes i agree regions of hate would be easier to identify.hmm i wonder what our glorious leader (the un) would think about that.firstly anywhere with camels as the main form of transport would be a start.hmm camels instead of trains?

          • Cadwallader

            Camels for public transport? Don’t tell Dr Norman please. having come from the north end of Australia he’ll be familiar with camels. (Apparently the Aussies have exported camels back to the ME from time to time as the Australian camel has been bred more cleanly.) perhaps the same might apply to newcomers on boats?

      • OneTrack

        Yes, it would be difficult. The progressives will not allow it. Their ideology is the melting pot and that’s what they intend to give us – logic doesnt come into it.

  • Kiwibabe

    “He said this is the only way of achieving peace.”
    Perhaps rather than a threat he is just expressing his concern that the nutters among Islam will react violently to anything they deem to be insults.
    If so he is as concerned as we are. Realistically radical Muslims will always be at war with each other, the Jews, and the West.

    • intelligentes candida diva

      ….or is it a threatening instruction why would his position be different from those clerics in UK, Netherlands, Sweden, France etc? Im not buying it, he is a cleric and he will know how to shrewdly manipulate the dialogues

      • tinfoilhatguy

        Is he also deftly dodging having to take any responsibility for dealing with extremism within his own community. It’s not his problem, nothing he can do if the West won’t obey Islamic law. He’s the Teflon sheik.

        • intelligentes candida diva

          So then is it left to the murderous followers to shed the blood because of his alleged teflon coating hmm now hang on I’m confused is it Allah or Mohammed to be honoured?
          It seems to me these fanatical Muslims are paying adulation to Mohammed rather than Allah, do they venerate both, doesnt sound right to me.
          Is it religiosity rituals to and for Mohammed gone mad in the name of Allah? There needs to be more confrontation of the theology to the clerics than curtailing to their manipulative babbling!

    • wanarunna

      So you are saying we should bow down to nutters, because if we do anything to annoy them we are just asking for trouble?

      I don’t really like that idea. I was going to say that that is not the way the West does things, but I do not speak for the West, I only speak for myself.

      And a message for Sheikh Mohammed Zewada – If I travel to one of the many predominantly Muslim countries that drive on the right, presumably you have no objection to me taking the NZ Road Code which dictates that I must drive on the left?

      • Kiwibabe

        No, just saying he may be recognising how mad the extremist Muslins are. Based on attitudes of other “non-extreme” Muzlims that might be wishful thinking by me.
        Too late for the West to stop this? The militant Muslims and even not so blatantly militant will always be hateful or at best intolerant towards their different sects, towards the Jews, and the West even when they seek refuge among us!
        Best but partial only solution is to stop any further Muslim immigration. Trouble is that would only wind those inclined up even more. Liberal socialist politicians have really done it on this one.

        • JMC7

          So what’s he doing about it? He’s an Imam, he must have some influence on the extremists, can he not persuade them that their interpretation is doctrinally incorrect? I’d be really interested to know to what extent conversations of this type happen in mosques in NZ, in fact everywhere in the west.

          I’m not aware of any injunction in the Quran against depicting the prophet specifically. It sounds like something origination in a fatwa that has just been adopted into accepted doctrine. Anyone actually know?

      • Rick H

        That is exactly the same reason the women have to wear tents.
        Any skin showing, and you will be stoned to death for “asking a guy to rape you”.

    • steve and monique

      What happens if they shift the goal posts, and they will end up finding something else to be “offended” over?

      • Cadwallader

        I hope they are very offended when we boot them all out of here to head back to their stone-age countries and customs.

      • OneTrack

        Such as young woman not dressing in tents?

    • jay

      The point is, he’d know. So, we either stop depicting Mohammed or people are going to be murdered.

      • Bryan

        that is a clearly stated public threat which is unacceptable in this country
        “threating with intent” is a criminal act.
        so we have a clear message for that gentleman you want to hurt us look out this country will take so much but then they suddenly rise and strike and you will be gone, any doubts ask the french.
        He may be your God but he is not mine Christian God who stated very clear in the Ten Commandments
        ” you shall have no other Gods but me” and that the worship of any other is idolatry so that’s why we cannot embrace your islam Mohammed as you are placing him above God himself and that is unacceptable.
        The third commandment ” you shall not make an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or in earth beneath,or in the waters below.
        you shall not bow down to them and worship them and the heart of islam is their mohammed to which they bow down and worship so as you say Geoff Christian/western and Islam cannot live together and for 1500 years Islam has been trying to destroy Christian belief and faith and freedoms and we have to accept there are some who we will not accept like we had to finally come to with Hilter and the world rise up like they have with all these marches to say we will not bow to your false doctrine and attitude and stand up for our freedoms so hard won by our forefathers, and we will not be threatened

  • Geoff

    Islam and Western democracies are incompatible. Let’s stop pretending they will integrate, their belief system prevents it. How many more terrorist events do we need before the West wakes up? Our leaders are failing us, a bit like Chamberlain’s ‘peace in our time’, thinking Hitler was no longer a threat. We need a Churchill.

    • IntrinsicValue

      “Islam and Western democracies are incompatible.”

      And there you have hit the nail on the head. People are debating the proportion of Muslims that are radicalised but that is a side issue. The real issue is to separate the people from the ideology. Not all followers of Islam are dangerous, but Islam itself is dangerous, and should be anathema to any follower of freedom and democracy.

    • OneTrack

      Unfortunately, we have Obama.

  • Rex

    Hopefully he is being watched. Is he a citizen! If he doesn’t like it here why doesn’t he go back to where he came from.

    • JKV

      It’s not a matter of whether an individual Muslim ‘likes’ it here Rex. The problem is that in Islam, all of the world belongs to Allah – Dar al Islam and all that. Their duty is to convert us, the Infidel. And therein lies the problem.

      • intelligentes candida diva

        Convert does not mean to destroy or kill because in so doing conversion does not exist

        • Albert Lane

          But infidels do get that option – convert or die. It’s not much of an option.

  • Rodger T

    I wonder if these clerics can explain exactly why it is now forbidden to depict Mo in any form ?

    In 1999, Islamic art expert Wijdan Ali wrote a scholarly overview of the Muslim tradition of depicting Mohammed. In that essay, Ali demonstrates that the prohibition against depicting Mohammed did not arise until as late as the 16th or 17th century, despite the media’s recent false claims that it has always been forbidden for Muslims to draw Mohammed. Until comparatively recently in Islamic history, it was perfectly common to show Mohammed, either in full (as revealed on this page), or with his face hidden (as shown on the next page). Even after the 17th century, up to modern times, Islamic depictions of Mohammed (especially in Shi’ite areas) continued to be produced.

    http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

    • Kiwibabe

      Wow, that is yet another example of this religion being hijacked by its members to suit their warped thinking, making it up as they go.
      The followers are as bad and mad as their Prophet.

  • thehawkreturns

    It is part of the Muslim takeover practice wherever they go. First claim they are victims needing to be granted special laws or protections.

    • sandalwood789

      That’s correct.

      They push, push push for special treatment (halal food, separate swimming times and so on) but if they get knocked back on those they instantly “play the victim card”.

      It is all incredibly transparent – at least to us if not the politicians.

      I find it extremely ironic that an ideology that is responsible for roughly 270 million deaths – murder on an industrial scale – has the nerve to “play the victim card”.

  • oldmanNZ

    I dont know what the Prophet mudhammed looks like?

    I could easily mistakenly draw him by drawing a dude with beard.

    If there is no drawing of him, then how can anyone replicate that drawing?

  • steve and monique

    So simple. Shut the gates. And to those who are here. One sign of trouble, and it is back to what ever sandpit you came from. No exceptions.

  • JAFA Gazza

    I think we are overthinking the comlexity of halting the troublemakers that come here. To gain residency (or any other type of visa), I would suggest that a simple clause is added in which the applicant acknowledges NZ LAW in full, and in that is included a phrase that where secular or religiuos beliefs are in contention with the law that the law takes precedence. Violation of this by way of incitement or aggrevated nuisance up to and including any form of violation causing harm to any thing or person WILL mean visa cancelled and immediate repatriation back to the applicants original departure country. And where this is a family, and anyone in the family breaks this clause, the WHOLE family is likewise deported. It doesnt’t even need to mention Islam or any religion, just a wide ranging catch-all statement that the applicant AGREES to in order to gain entry.

    Similar to the landing card in the USA where you are asked “Are you now or have you ever been a member or associate of a terrorist group”. Laughed at first – but the was told it was a “gotchya” for anyone who had falsely declared it if caught.

    • Mark

      Thanks for putting it into words so well,as an advocate of free immigration that is similar to my line of thinking. Additionally,build new prisons,if their country of origin won’t take them back,put them there & leave them there.
      The real iimigrants that work really hard to prosper here will have no issue with such a policy.
      In the interim,adopting a reciprocal immigration policy would be a start,if Kiwis cannot freely move to & buy land in a country why should we accommodate people from that country.

      • JAFA Gazza

        Mark, I dont think we should even worry about the prison thing. It didnt work out well for the Abu Hamza case for the UK. Imprsoned (at an estimated cost of 80KGBP per year – plus supporting his family on benefits (7 of them?) while he filed (at tax payers expense) appeal after appeal after appeal. 10 years it too to get him extradited to the USA for terrorist charges. I’m not sure we should build hotbeds to contain radicals.

        Simply sign an agreement if you want to come and live here (By YOUR CHOICE…) and acknowledge that it is a priviledge that you are granted entry…but you and your kin are on probation…and if you break that probation you and your family are GONE. No courts…no appeals…you get revoked and put on a plane to your coountry of origin or whatever. You get a one way ticket out.

        Regardless of religion. We own this country…FIFO. Thats all really.

        • Mark

          The prison thing is a hangover from when I was thinking about “normal” immigration. I just can see the stated country of origin refusing to take them back.
          I am not thinking along the lines of rehabilitation,more along the lines of storage.
          Lets face it if I got my way our prisons would be mostly empty anyway,since we would have a lot less petty laws to enforce.

          • JAFA Gazza

            Understand your view – but i dont think its “our” problem if their original country wont take them back….just buy them a ticket….and thats it. Will also serve as a warning to the “Asylum Seekers” and “Political Refugees”….Welcome to NZ…this is OURCountry…FIFO. You WANT to come here – here are the rules….dont like them? Stay in sand land. No Benefits…No BS like that …you WANT to come here…abide by OUR rules.

  • sandalwood789

    That is as clear as it gets.
    This is a Muslim leader in our country saying “no making fun of Islam or else…”

  • Nirvana10

    This was probably produced by a Catholic! The response of most Catholics would be to laugh! Replace the image of Christ with that of Mohammed and WOWEE, watch the response of those peace-loving Muslims.

    • JAFA Gazza

      Thats the “Buddy Jesus” from the movie Dogma – Ben Affleck and Mat Damon if i’m not mistaken…great film…great parody….

    • intelligentes candida diva

      I was bought up Catholic and my immediate response *smiling*

      • IntrinsicValue

        I am a Christian. The pic doesn’t offend me. There are many images published that I consider blasphemous, and when I see them I may speak out about their bad taste, but I would not in a million years take another human life over such a thing.

        • Eiselmann

          Same I’m a Christian hardly blinked on that one…Go the Maroons (just had to add that in)

  • damm good thrashing

    We keep hearng that we shouldnt lump all muslims together and they are not all bad. If a muslim knows of another muslim who acts or says something about terrorism and doesnt inform the authorities them they are not a good muslim.

    • intelligentes candida diva

      Google Ayaan Ali, she was bought up in Islamic beliefs and renounced it.She is currently in America as she had to flee The Netherlands fearing she would be killed which is a twist in itself as she went there for safety after Somalia…an indictment of where The Netherlands is now > close to Sweden

  • Murray Smith

    Any image of the prophet Muhammad, must have been foreseen.

    I could find five prophets at ten o’clock in any pub in New Zealand, most of them wouldn’t mind being drawn.

  • I.M Bach

    I started a post, then self-censored it, took out all the naughty words etc and was left with “off” and “you”. Pointless posting it really.

  • Andrew Gibson

    This is something all political leaders do unfortunately; give subtle hints as to what might happen if their “suggestions” are not followed. All said very nicely of course, but a threat none the less. Worse, it gives their supporters an excuse for any future illegal actions.

    At best, irresponsible; at worst, despicable.

  • kloyd0306

    Why isn’t this brought to the attention of our NZ parliament?

    Sadly, even if it is, nothing will come of it.

    Politicians – ALL gutless wonders.

  • Zoneman Tyler

    Islam making the world a better place since…….

  • Warren Murray

    Sadly, calls to stop islamic immigration will be fodder for NZ First only, no-one else will touch it.

  • NZ 2014

    Speech by John Howard former PM of Aussie;

    “We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society Learn the language!”

    “Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.”

    “We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.”

    “If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don’t like “A Fair Go”, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don’t care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

    “This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

    ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.”

    • Emma Boyden

      Wow. Cannot imagine any nz leader having the balls to say the same

    • Sailor Sam

      This is the same prime minister who was and still is reviled by th left wing parties in Australia.

    • rain33

      Yeah, well you wouldn’t hear John Howard say it either, It is a ‘hoax’, has been around for a while. Check it out on Snopes if you don’t believe me.

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