Only 5000 Euro-Jahidis are fighting for ISIS


5000 people who are active Jihadis fighting for ISIS may return back to their home countries.

I’m sure that won’t cause any problems at all.

As many as 5,000 European nationals have traveled abroad to fight jihad and now pose a terror threat if they return home, according to Europol director Rob Wainwright.

Addressing British lawmakers on Tuesday, Wainwright said: “We’re talking about 3,000-5,000 EU nationals.”

“We’re dealing with a large body of mainly young men who have the potential to come back and have the potential or the intent and capability to carry out attacks we have seen in Paris in the last week,” he told the Home Affairs Select Committee.

READ MORE: 1,400 Frenchmen joined or ‘plan to join’ terrorists in Syria, Iraq – PM

Meanwhile, the head of MI5 said last week that about 600 Britons were thought to have gone to Syria to fight along Islamic state ranks.

Wainwright also warned MPs about a “security gap,” where extremists are able to evade security services and police forces online by using highly encrypted messages on the so-called “dark net.”This makes potential terrorists “effectively out of reach of the law.”

“The reality is that security authorities today don’t have the necessary capability to fully protect society from these kinds of threats,” he said.

Wainwright stressed that if people want to sleep soundly at night, there needs to be greater cooperation between security services and technology companies.

“I think we need to have the right legalization in place to allow the authorities to monitor suspected terrorist activity,” he said.

He also stressed that social media is being used by extremists as a propaganda tool, as well as a means of recruiting potential jihadists and organizing their activities.

Each and every one a lone wolf gunman, nothing to do with Islam, and we should stop making problems where there aren’t any.

No real reason to be concerned, and stop being so nasty about Islam when the real problem is just some gunmen.


– RT


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  • All_on_Red

    “Contrary to popular misconception, Islam does not mean peace but rather means submission to the commands of Allah alone. Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression, as their speech and actions are determined by divine revelation and not based on people’s desires.”
    Imam Anjem Choudary

    When are the worlds journalists and politicians going to start taking these people at their word?
    To Imams like Choudary , this is a war.

    • BloodyOrphan

      Commands of Allah as interpreted through a long dead sociopaths’ legacy the Koran.

    • Mikex

      Good point, well made. I think it also highlights why practicing Muslims will never fit into a westernised democratic society and as such should stopped at the border.

    • bristol

      Would I be alone in thinking that our politicians, together with the main stream media have no idea of what we’re up against? When negotiating peace with other cultures it’s probably a good idea to make sure that the words being used mean the same thing. If you were to ask, most Muslims and Westerners would say they want peace. From a Western perspective, peace means an end to hostilities, co-existence. To Islamists, peace means submit, or it’s the end of your existence.

  • metalnwood

    Hmm, not sure about the line that security should have better cooperation with technology companies. What that means is that NSA etc should have back doors in to everything…

    • BloodyOrphan

      No it means tech companies have an obligation to look for terrorist keywords in the messages they encrypt for free.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    If they are to be defined as a terror threat it is madness to allow that threat back into the country, Its illogical because terror threats are monitored and certainly my understanding is the threat is to be minimised Huh *hand in the air* simple do not allow them back in and change the law to accommodate minimising a terror threat.

  • caochladh

    “We’re talking about 3,000-5,000 EU nationals.” Are these numbers backed up by any sort of primary evidence?

  • conwaycaptain

    Surely the intelligence organisations know who is funding these Jihadis. Can they not stop the flow of funds???
    I have heard that Qatar is a funder. Why cant the UK Govt do something with the huge investments that Qatar have in the UK

    • pak

      Brother of Brit murdered by ISIS called for this very action as well. Two specific individuals have been identified by U.S. as key terrorist financiers living with impunity in Qatar. On back of that Cameron was apparently going to be “talking tough” at a recent meeting with Emir of Qatar, and instead seems to have asked for more U.K. investment.

  • Eiselmann

    Lets pretend for a moment that those 5000 lone wolfs that have nothing to do with Islam and aren’t being influenced in any way by a group we know are slaughtering any unbelievers including children-babies, all come back to lands controlled by unbelievers with the intention of living in peace with their neighbours. We know that soldiers returning from combat can sometimes be so traumatised by what they experience that they have difficulty re-integrating back into their lives and sadly sometimes that erupts into acts of violence against others.
    So even buying into the narrative of many MSM-leaders-apologists-and crim hugging liberals like Russel that these 5000(and others from Aussie and New Zealand) would be no risk at all and shouldn’t be watched because that would be unfair …..we know some of these 5000 are going to come back and suffer post-traumatic stress which for some of them that is going to be manifest in violence.
    Meanwhile back in the reality that the rest of us live in , Europe faces the prospect of a small army , trained ,experienced and motivated radicalised Muslims compelled to fight and die for Islam as long as they take as many non believers as they can with them………Jihad coming to the neighbourhood you live in.

    • Albert Lane

      I can give you a first-hand experience of the results of PTSD. A mate of mine who served in Vietnam has a very serious case of PTSD which is ruining his life. He’s not violent, but he is sure that the prime ministers of both Australia and NZ have been trying to kill him. I have tried my darndest to help him but he refuses help of any kind. So what are you supposed to do?

      • Eiselmann

        Only thing you can do, keep trying to help and be there for the day he does ask for help , know someone who has PTSD …not a veteran of war but someone who endured a truly horrible childhood, loads of people love him and would do anything to help him because he’s actually a generous guy who would do anything for anyone….but he has severe limitations in his life and he never asks for help until an easy fix becomes a crisis when asked why he never asked for help he invariably says that he didn’t want to annoy anyone. (five years ago he sat in a house with no power for 6 months during winter because the main fuse had blown and he didn’t know how to fix it and didn’t want to annoy anyone….ugh!!!)..

        • Albert Lane

          My mate believes that his discharge from the Army was forged (which is a false claim, as he has sent me a “forged’ form with my own genuine signature on it as a witness), and as far as he is concerned, he is technically still serving, and he bases his $2 million claim on all the income he would have received in almost 50 years since the alleged actions. His life has been on hold all these years, and he lives in the back of a small truck in Australia. I have tried on two occasions to offer to assist in his return to NZ, and my offers have been rejected both times. No contactable relatives. He has an unresolved mental problem, and that’s it. I don’t believe he is any threat to anybody, but it’s impossible to say that he won’t go further off the rails. If this is the type of PTSD that one can get from serving on active military service, then it’s very possible that a number of the ISIL returnees may suffer similarly. Those returnees will not have an inbred loyalty to our country, and if I were an MP, I’d be submitting draft legislation to permanently exclude any of the ISIL veterans from ever returning to NZ. We also have to prosecute any known member or supporter of any islamist group, as their loyalties are not loyalties to NZ.

          • Eiselmann

            Agree….even if most of us on this site are wrong and ISIS people are going to come back with a desire to live peaceful integrated life’s like some in our society would have us believe…they are going to come back ‘damaged’ by their experiences and we should as a country be wary and concerned……of course the reality is that if we do allow them back they will at some point continue the war either overtly or covertly… yes if our leaders allow them back prosecute them send them into a small cell away from other prisoners and let them spend their days yelling at walls….still better they not be allowed back.
            Its been 30 years since my friends abuse stopped, he functions , but that would be all he does,he can do incredible, creative things but as soon as anyone notices or , worse, compliments him he stops…he thinks compliments are people mocking him…he;s a lot of work but he’s worth it because I see hints of what he could be

  • steve and monique

    And this just on the Yahoo news website pertaining to a march put on by Muslims in the Phillippines:

    Manila (AFP) – Around 1,500 people protested in one of the Philippines’ main Muslim-majority cities on Wednesday against the French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo’s caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed, police said.

    Local politicians, teenaged students and women with veils covering their faces packed the main square in Marawi in the southern Philippines, some raising their fists in the air as a Charlie Hebdo poster was burnt.

    “What had happened in France, the Charlie Hebdo killing, is a moral lesson for the world to respect any kind of religion, especially the religion of Islam,” organisers said in a statement released during the three-hour rally.

    “Freedom of expression does not extend to insulting the noble and the greatest prophet of Allah.”

    The last two paragraphs says it all about the arrogance, ignorance, bigotry and hypocrisy of this “religion” Freedom only exists to insult others but not our own twisted, hateful, evil murdering cults “beliefs”.


    • SkeptiK

      “Freedom of expression does not extend to insulting the noble and the greatest prophet of Allah.”

      I guess the Herald editors agree on that point.

    • Albert Lane

      So why don’t we even hear a whisper from our politicians? We desperately need a political party to emerge, promising to stop muslim immigration. I wonder if everybody is so quiet about it, because if somebody proposed that part-remedy, it would be challenged to the Court of Appeal.

  • thehawkreturns

    NZ must be very careful assessing immigrants from anywhere in the world including the UK and EU. Any hint of Jew hating, gay hating, women hating and generally hating ideology aka Islam must be an immediate bar to entry to NZ.

  • LabTested

    Why is going to fight for ISIS not a crime punishable by 10 years in jail upon return. Why do these people have the right to freely walk the streets once they have had enough of killing innocents, slave trading & pedophilia,

    • Honcho

      I hope the nation comes to realise Helen Clark’s folly, in repealing our sedition laws, before it’s too late.

    • SP

      Hmmm because A) the judge will only give them 3 years and they’ll be out in 1 for ‘good’ behaviour, B) they’re likely to come out of a prison chok full of islamic militants even more militant and C) it will cost us to imprison them.

      I understand there is some sort of UN agreement on not leaving a person ‘stateless’ but I can’t understand why some Government hasn’t given that the finger and started revoking passports for suspected combatants.

      Oh, your kids and wife live here? Your family live here? It would be unfair and hard on them and you if you’re separated? You should have thought of that before you willingly entered a war zone to fight, running the risk of course that you’d be killed and separated from them eternally! You want your PP back? Sure, no problem, just prove beyond reasonable doubt that you were not a combatant and we’ll give you a temporary PP & visa that will be regularly reviewed and revoked if you cause us any problems in the next 50 years. Surely the best solution if you can’t stop them going to fight is to stop them coming back afterwards and confine them to whatever sh!thole they went to fight in?

      • Albert Lane

        The only way to defeat them is to punish them severely. That should be our first principle.

  • El Diablo

    Ok so we’ve seen plenty of commentary about how messed up Islam is and what a threat it poses to us infidels but what I’m not really seeing are serious suggestions as to what we can do about it.

    There’s enough evidence to show that the Koran is a hate text that incites its believers to commit abhorrent acts of violence against innocents. Much like Mein Kampf. Islam needs to be re-defined as a dangerous cult that needs to be eradicated from our society. The Koran should be declared an illegal book. Make it next to impossible for devout muslims to practice their cult in our country. If they want to be muslims let them go back to a muslim country. If they want to behave like a normal citizen the way every other culture appears able to in our society then they can stay.

    • johnnymanukau.

      ED I would if I could, give you a zillion ticks, my thoughts exactly.

    • Albert Lane

      Except that they learn the Koran off-by-heart when they are very young. But you’re completely right. The leaders of our mosques need to be told that the Koran fails our hate laws, and for the book to be approved for used in NZ,, any hateful passages needed to be expunged, and if they agreed with that, they would be permitted to use the Koran (and the other main books).

      • david

        They recite it in Arabic, so half of them have no idea what they are reciting. The Imam tells them what it says. That’s why you can get different views of what Islam stands for. In Saudi the government monitors what the Imams say. We should too.

  • taurangaruru

    The only right & proper way to deal with these “jihadi terrorists” is to let them leave the country, go off & have their fun filled holiday & while they are away revoke their rights to return to their home country. Hopefully they will be blown to smithereens while on their tikki tour. You cannot even consider allowing them to remain on home soil to wreak their form of mayhem against innocent citizens.

    • steve and monique

      Agree. If you want to be a murderer in the name of Allah in some god forsaken sandpit, then stay there.

  • Brian Badonde

    I am fortunate to speak Dutch and last week I listened (online) to a Dutch talk back show. I heard with horror how the Dutch government is planning to “help” these terrorists once they return from their murderous jihad and terrorist training. They are going to help them with extra benefits and free psychologists to settle them back in.
    I am usually a proud Dutch born Kiwi but hearing this has made me very ashamed.
    As far as I am concerned – if you leave to go on a jihad, you clearly don’t uphold the values of your host country and should therefore NEVER be able to return.