Parents are raising generation of losers

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Tradesmen say young people are almost impossible to employ, with bad literacy, numeracy and work ethic high on the list of problems.

Many have given up on advertising for apprentice roles, saying they have no hope of finding suitable applicants.

Ken Monk of Montage Kitchens has been a joiner in Hamilton for 34 years, and sits on the Employer Partnership Group for the manufacturing, construction and the trades at Wintec.

He said problems with literacy, numeracy and attitude were common with hiring young people these days.

Among the issues he’d dealt with were “absenteeism; they don’t want to sweep the floor; don’t want to clean the toilet”.

“I clean the toilet,” he said. Young people also expected to get paid much more than was realistic, and tended to “know it all, they don’t like to be told”.

“Their whole attitude has changed. They’ve been mothered, they’ve been spoiled.”

Kids are fruit of the tree that are their parents.  

Monk thought the problem started with the parents. “You always want them to do better [than you], and so you actually spoil them a bit. So we actually have a generation of spoiled kids.”

Finding good workers was so hard that Monk didn’t advertise for apprentices because of all the “filtering out” needed.

“We actually go hunting for the person. Some people do [advertise], but that’s not very often either.”

However, Monk said employers needed to be realistic about what it took to deal with the current generation.

“We always have issues with young guys . . . but you work with them and, by the time they come out the other end, they’re usually really good kids.”

Gayelene Woodcock has run Waikato Plumbing Services with her husband since 1986. She said the issue with younger people was becoming more evident now that work was picking up, and experienced plumbers were in short supply, thanks to the Christchurch and Auckland building booms.

Woodcock said the company had to work hard to find youngsters with good attitude, literacy and numeracy skills. The risk of taking on youngsters was high for the family-owned business, which worked on the basis it would make a loss the equivalent of the Jobseeker benefit on an apprentice in the first year, and would only start to make money off them in the third year.

These kids will be lost to the system.  They get to late teens and early twenties and their expectations of the world are simply impossible to meet.

Another problem is that kids with good literacy and numeracy skills do not see themselves going into a trade.  This is actually somewhat shortsighted.  A good plumber is never out of work and charges like a dentist.

Trades have traditionally been seen as the destination for kids who can’t cut it academically.  But now they also have the additional handicap of having been told all their lives they are too good for that kind of work.

 

– Narelle Henson, Waikato Times

 


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  • sandalwood789

    B-b-b-but what about our much-vaunted “world-leading” education system?

    How can this be? /sarc

    • Cadwallader

      Here’s a slogan to upset the teachers’ unions:”Charter Schools Are Starters’ Schools!” Just thought of it in light of this thread. What do you think?

      • sandalwood789

        Sounds good!

      • knight

        If you really want to enrage the teachers unions go with something even more positive – like “Charter Schools are Winner’s Schools”.

        Starters sounds like your not even trying. (like labour, greens, mana, internet whatever)

  • conwaycaptain

    I have had the plumber in and he has bought the apprentice with him, started 3 months ago, a nice Maori Lad.

  • Bryan

    i remember one guy the place i was working they actually gave us 250.00 a week subsidy to see if we could get him to work as everyone else had failed. well we were getting somewhere until he didn’t turn up for work about 3 weeks in and the boss was just going out to check a Job, called into his home, walked into his bedroom with mums okay pulled him out of bed and then took him to the job and brought him back to work, He was never ever late or not turning up for work again. My boss said with a grin “I was not loosing 250 just because he could get out of bed. he went on to work for us for 4 years, and then left and went on to another good job so sometimes you win

    • TonyM

      Similar story with one of our apprentices in the early 2000’s. Literally dragged out of bed some mornings. Has turned out to be a really good fitter. But it was a pretty difficult start for him and us. Been southerners there was no PC crap.

      • DavidW

        Worked for an injection moulding and toolmaking outfit in the early ’80s. All new apprentices were given a kit which contained among other things an alarm clock. Seemed to work.
        The only problem was that after doing a 10,000 hour apprenticeship, all a new tradesman could think about was going to work for some other guy. That was the point when they were really only becoming fully productive. Companies that Brierley etc took over never had apprentices, they just poached qualified tradesmen who had been educated at someone else’s expense.

  • steve and monique

    Want the world, and dont want to crawl before they can walk.. Guess txting has something to do with literacy.

  • The Whinging Pom

    “A good plumber is never out of work and charges like a dentist.” And you can’t unblock a drain from Manilla…

  • MAWG

    The problem is a worldview and education system that seems to protect the participant from failure.

    If you don’t keep score at sports and never admonish little Johnny or Jenny for poor performance at school, kids start to learn that striving for excellence has little value if you are not rewarded so as not to offend the sensibilities of those who do not do as well in a particular field.

    The result is a school leaving age workforce who has never had to strive for recognition, and has no concept of reward based on merit, so why work hard?

    The real world will often give young people their first taste of failure, and our education system, and liberal sensibilities, have left our young men and women unable to deal with failure, and to process the experience as a pathway to improvement.

    No, I am not saying we should go back to the labeling of little Johnny or Jenny as a failure, but we should encourage a work ethic, and reward it when it appears. I believe that any young person who has left school and has not had a job for 6 months, should have 2 years Compulsory Military Training. If anything, they’ll get some life skills!

    • Reid

      I don’t think we ever did label Johnny or Jenny as failures. This was the allegation used as one of the strong reasons to change direction but it was bollocks at the time and it’s still bollocks. All PC psychobabble is destructive and all of it is based on lies. It’s a shame people haven’t educated themselves enough on its origins and its practice because if they had they’d run the next idiot who suggested making another step along that road, out of town.

  • George Costanza

    I battled for five years to find and get an apprenticeship. I found the apprenticeship course, i found a company who would employ me as an apprentice (they were oblivious there was even an aprentice course avaivlable for our trade )
    Then the apprentice organisation itself, i’m looking at you MITO. What a battle!!, but not just for me, my new employer too. I’m so gratefull my employer didn’t just throw in the towel.

    I would also like to thank the national government for my reboot apprentice subsidy, gifting me 2k for work related expenses. Some of you will know the expense of tooling up with the quality gear required, the 2k won’t go far but has provided me a tool chest i can build on

    • Scott Wilkins

      having put a few apprentices though MITO i feel your pain, now in a new industry, and hope the ITO wont be as bad as MITO,

      • George Costanza

        My desire to do a trade qual. was fueled and driven by my own volition. MITO refused to put me through my trade in my old job, so i had to find another company to take me on to do it. Looking to inform myself, I asked a competitor about their training and dealings with MITO. They told me it was an uphill battle and the company had decided to flag the apprenticeship program due to their dealings with MITO.

  • LabTested

    My 2nd eldest has just finish High School. He did Cambridge exams. I know exactly what % he got in each subject. His elder sister went to a different school & did NCEA. She told me stories of doing simple exams so (as the teacher said) ‘the struggling kids could gain some NCEA credits’

    Over the Xmas break a girl who goes to a Waikato High School was telling me how the Maori kids could get 5 NCEA credits by going on Maori Camp, collecting shell fish & cooking them. My feeling is that Schools are focused on getting the kids NCEA credits rather than giving them useful employment skills

    • sandalwood789

      “…the Maori kids could get 5 NCEA credits by going on Maori Camp, collecting shell fish & cooking them.”

      Un-be-lievable.
      Talk about the “dumbing-down” of the education system. Mind you, it’s been an *indoctrination* system for at least the last 40 years.

      I think that the last time that the state education system was good was in the late ’60s or early ’70s.
      Long before the “dumbing-down” socialists got their hands on it.

      • Murray Smith

        Terrible injustice !! What about poor Honi, who happens to be shellfish intolerant ? Surely there must be extra credits somewhere for him ?

        • sandalwood789

          Oh, there are.

          He can take the “Culturally-safe shellfish” course where he learns to sort the shellfish into different piles.

          Disabled (sorry – “differently-abled”) shellfish.
          Lesbian shellfish.
          Shellfish-of-colour.
          Shellfish without shells (that we *mustn’t judge*).

      • D.Dave

        Don’t worry, you can get numerous NCEA credits for doing kapahaka. It just makes you good at twirling a pencil whilst filling out paperwork. It is a complete crock of doggy does…..

  • Ginny

    Yep, we all think our kids are going to be brain surgeons, even though we aren’t

  • sandalwood789

    I always like to post this page to show the lefties who think that our education system is the “bee’s knees” –

    http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/stories/are-you-smarter-than-an-1912-8th-grader

  • Cadwallader

    When I graduated from Uni about 40 years ago, my class was spoken to by a retired professional man that while we ought enjoy the moment not to forget: “A degree enables you to tick a box while having a skill allows you to feed your family!” I have quoted and requoted that simple sentence to a vast array of young people in the hope it has the same resonance as it did for me.

    • James Howlett

      Yep – it’s the difference between having a qualification and being qualified.

  • Nige.

    There are attempts to reverse the trend. At a kindy where i do some work they have taken away handrails and barriers to make kids look out for themselves and in addition to this last weekend the same kindy has had BEE HIVES put in next to the playground in an attempt to make the kids less namby pamby and make them face challenges of how to deal with uncomfortable situations.

    I know it wont last. Some killjoy will shut it down. But there is an attempt out there to try and toughen these kids up in future generations.

    Meanwhile were are having to deal with the pc short comings of previous governments cotton wool approaches.

    • sandalwood789

      “But there is an attempt out there to try and toughen these kids up in future generations.”

      Good stuff – great to hear that.

      Children won’t learn *anything* by going to a fluffy-puffy school where scores are never kept, no-one ever fails and they’re kept in cotton-wool.

      Children *need and enjoy* challenges.

      • Nige.

        And learn from them too.

        • sandalwood789

          Absolutely.

          Dozens of businessmen and women have said that they learned more from their failures than their successes.

          I don’t think I’d have a lot of respect for someone who has never failed. Someone who has never faced tough times and adversity.

    • KQ

      You must mean both Labour and National governments.

      • Nige.

        I do.

  • Blue Tim

    I have just had a student quit a (seasonal) job which guaranteed at least 70hrs/week for four weeks because he’d only get 23/hr instead of the wanted $25/hr

    • Nige.

      i thin k theyve been raised to be so self important that they cant negotiate effectively. They cut off their nose to spite their face (another great saying for those paying attention) They dont want to back down. This goes for buying and selling things too. Have you ever tried to buy or sell something via a facebook page? It seldom happens smoothly where a youth/gen y’er is involved.

      • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

        Try buying something only to find it has been sold again at a higher price when you turn up to pick it up. No phone call or contact just a curt “sorry I got offered more so I took it”. No such thing as a verbal contract or “gentlemans agreement”.

    • johcar

      Where are you (‘the job’ that is) based? I have a son looking for work…

      • Blue Tim

        10 days ago it might have worked Job will finish this week

        • johcar

          Bugger! Cheers anyway…

          • sandalwood789

            Has your son (or you) checked out the jobs on the TradeMe site, johcar?
            There seem to be *jillions* of jobs there for unskilled and skilled workers.
            http://www.trademe.co.nz/jobs

          • johcar

            Not sure, but I will suggest it.

            He’s looking for hospitality work (bars or cafe) since that’s where his passion and experience lies, but the hourly rate that Blue Tim mentioned looked too good to let go past, especially given that hospitality pays pretty much minimum wage…

            My son’s a hard worker and would not say no to anything that would give him a financial boost…

  • Martin

    Can’t remember who said it, but I once read a pithy observation that is relevant to our juncture in history:
    Tough times make tough people who make easy times which makes weak people, who make tough times . . .
    We have had some real easy times, which have made a whole lot of weak people through the ability of society to fund womyn’s studies, twilight golf courses and a whole raft of make-work jobs for the sisterhood who have managed to insulate women from the consequences of their actions, ensuring they raise fatherless characterless men who can get laid without needing character, good reputation or means of supporting a family.
    Tough times here we come!

    • Cowgirl

      I often think of the war generations and take my hat off to them. Two world wars and the Great Depression – those were some real tough cookies. Unfortunately though, the good times after that have got us to where we are now. Most of us have never known war at a personal level, nor serious hardship, with each successive generation being more spoiled than the one that preceded it. And so we reap what we sow. They called my generation the “slacker” generation, but we’ve got nothing on Generation Y.

      • Martin

        I guess that’s “our” generation, cowgirl. I have a gen y brother ten years younger than me. There’s a generation gap between us. The difference? My depression era/ww2 grandfather spent time teaching me to drive/shoot/shear/fence/work, but had dementia by the time my bro was in his early teens. In later conversations he was aghast I did all that work for little or no pay, but as a young man i loved it; I could feel him shaping me into a man while my (lovely) career-obsessed baby boomer dad just didn’t have time.
        I’m different as a result.

  • TonyM

    It’s interesting, I’m an engineer in a senior position (with a degree and some pretty practical skills). I very much enjoy the practical side of my work and I’m lucky to still get the opportunity to do some. Were circumstances different, or I lost my job, I would seriously consider an apprenticeship in any hands on trade (plumbing, building, fitting, welding). I have no idea whether this would be possible and for sure it’s a major pay cut for a while, but the idea still interests me.

    The one thing I’ve learned is that people really value you if you can turn up reliably, do an honest days work and keep your commitments.

    • Odd Ball

      A relative of mine did an adult apprenticeship about 5 years ago. If you are practically minded, and have a mature attitude, There’s a good chance you will find an opportunity somewhere.

  • mommadog

    “Another problem is that kids with good literacy and numeracy skills do not see themselves going into a trade.”

    I think there is a percentage who want things done for them and handed to them – just because the world owes them for being born. It never occurs that they should get their own hands dirty. As mentioned in the article I have seen the lack of work ethic and cant be bothered tuning up on time attitude myself.

    Others/ parents think being good at English and Maths means university as they are too “bright” for a trade job. That is so last century if not the century before. From what I have seen things have turned the other way. Take a car mechanic. Gone are the days where you could just tinker with a simple engine and not too many complicated parts. Now modern cars are computer generated and there is a whole realm of additional things to learn and understand. I would suggest other trades have moved forward with modern technology as well and it requires a good “brain” or using the brain power you have to learn it and keep up with it all.

    Some of it is just the person themselves. Two relatives, brothers. One very much a city office type that doesn’t like to work up a sweat and the other younger brother goes crazy if stuck indoors and is happy digging ditches and such. Anything for an outside job and knows he would hate an office job at 21 years. So no university degree for him although he is smart enough if it was what he wanted.

  • Richard

    I made my seven year old daughter help me stack firewood yesterday.

    10 minutes in she was trying to negotiate the time and frequency of breaks.

    30 minutes and much moaning in, she got told that if she wasn’t prepared to help she would miss out on the benefits of warmth in the winter, to which she responded ” yeah but if you don’t put the fire on you all will get cold too”…..”no, I’ll just turn off the ducting that heats your room up”…..”ohhh”.

    2 hours in and half way through the pile, she was allowed to head off to her cousins birthday pool party as a reward.

    • Odd Ball

      We pay the kids for doing chores around the house to teach them a work ethic. They generally spend the money at either the local toy shop or to buy iceblocks.

    • tipotago

      lol back in my day if my Mum said Jump ill say how high! and if it weren’t high enough your get something like a back hand! worked for me and I am still alive!

  • Cowgirl

    You’re paying $23/hour just for warehouse work? I don’t think I’ve ever earned $29/hour, even working at places for years. Young people don’t even know they’re alive – I hope you told him where to stick his proposed pay increase.

    • TonyM

      Yes seems quite generous considering that the tradestaff labour contract rate i was quoted not so long ago was less than this…

      • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

        I was a specialist machine operator for F and H but through a labour site and I got $14 per hour 3 years ago. I worked on average 65 hrs a week (mainly nights), worked hard laying asphalt and argued for a decent wage and when F and H took me on full time I jumped up to 15.88. I was gutted. I left for a better day job on $25 per hour and work harder now to justify my wage (Im absolutely buggered by 4pm most days). $23 for sweeping? I might have to take a career change as I think I am doing it wrong.

  • conwaycaptain

    You should try Asian Cadets who are employed by the company so that they can keep in the trade.
    Had a Sri Lankan Cadet on a Brocklebank ship (Cunard). He thought he was the bees knees, didn’t think cargo watch was his work etc etc. Used to Port Line (Cunard) Cadets, UK ,Aus, NZ who worked. He got a metaphorical kick up the arse from me and I wasn’t popular at all. I was told we had to suffer these bastards yet there were OK youngster queuing up for Cadet positions. Left the ship and joined the Port Chalmers, 5 years old, 19000 dwt, 22 kts.
    Up the channel one night at 13kts and 2 nights later down channel on the PC overtaking everything in sight!!!

  • Clutch Cargo

    Actually, I think todays kids are still good kids, but our systems and environments have really failed them big time. Cast your mind back to your own school days, there were kids in your class that obviously would go onto uni and seek professions, others would stay and get school cert and pursue trades and such while the balance would be off the freezing works or labouring jobs. There was always a legitimate pathway to start out on. The past 40 odd years has seen a total devaluation of trades by our hugely feminised education system. The pointy heads have devised a system that reflects THEIR pathway and have ignored the needs of less academically inclined kids. I still see it now, young boys who love mucking around with cars and motorbikes, tools and equipment who waste their time in schools when they should be out in the workforce under the direct supervision of a grumpy old tradesman who would clip their ears when they were cheeky. Keeping these kids in a classroom till they are 18 contributes to the attitude of wanting more when they could have been in the workforce for three years. My apprenticeship wages were 1/4 of a tradesmans so I had incentives to get trained and earn. Kids have always been kids but man, have we failed them!!!!!!

    • Dave_1924

      I was one of the point heads at school : ) … but you are 100% right. Still knew my way around a workshop because the dad was fitter, turner and millwright so if you want time with him it was time in the workshop!

      Kids who suit trades etc need vocational training as early as possible, for the simple reason that if they are learning about something that iunterests them e.g. cars, it gives a focus and we all learn more quickly when we are interested in the topic.

      Parents need to ask their kids to do their best at what ever they try and repeat the never give in, never give up mantra. And teachers need to stop with the everyone is a winner rubbish – its just not how the world works…

  • pak

    On the other side – I had an electrician at my house few years back who told me the story of a young man he had employed to do odd jobs. Proved reliable and offered him an apprenticeship which he at first declined. Some digging revealed the young man could barely read. The electrician told him he would pay for further education if the young man would commit to the classes then come back to do an apprenticeship. The young man actually did, worked extremely hard, and ended up eventually opening his own business as a sparky. I still recall the modesty of the electrician telling me about all this, but clearly he was very proud, and rightly so, of the success of the young man he had helped.

  • waldopepper

    over the years ive hired a number of young people as general hands. the “me me me” and entitlement mentality in young generations is well apparent to me as well as the lack of overall life skills in men. fixing one of the company vehicles one day i asked one to hand me a phillips screwdriver, and he looked at me blankly. another didnt know what a spanner was. these were both 20 year old guys yet clearly they had never fixed a mower with dad in the shed on sunday or done anything remotely resembling it. probably due to no male role models in their lives. still, they knew all about the treaty and all about their rights. practical skills after all lol. im now approaching late middle age, so i wont be around much longer, but i laugh when i think of all the lefty liberals who created and will now inherit this brave new world and have to deal with these problems. be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

  • Bartman

    This is exactly the issue that Labour want to see – young disenfranchised kids wanting a constant hand out that Labour will only be too glad to provide, in return for grateful votes.
    The teaching system is undergoing a fantastic change, with charter schools putting one up the traditional methods that fails kids who don’t have the ability or background to succeed. Yes the parents are the root cause of kids being ‘unemployable’ as this article alludes to, but the school system must cater to wider needs than the generic middle of the pack.
    Teaching kids the basics and self-respect, hard work and endeavour are required to achieve are crucial, and appear to be waning rapidly in mainstream schooling.
    If Labour were serious about these issues they would stop banging on about a lack of jobs and opportunities, as they are in abundance. Instead they should focus on the schooling and the improvements required to offset the parents dropping the ball.
    Fat chance with Angry ‘Union Lout’ Andy in charge!

  • David Moore

    People have been saying ‘the kids are no good’ since the ancient Greeks and before, they’ll be fine.

    “Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

    Socrates (very, very old and grumpy man….)

    If you want to get someone into a trade, Mike Rowe is a great guy pointing out how good dirty jobs can be….

    http://www.ted.com/talks/mike_rowe_celebrates_dirty_jobs?language=en

  • Michael

    Reading the story it seems to me that young people with good work ethic, keen attitude and ability to learn and apply skills are highly valued and snapped up by employers keen to develop them into star employees. But if you can’t find one of these young ones through your networks you are screwed as they are the minority.

    Maybe we should make the welfare system work along those lines – want a benefit? Interview is at 8am. And bring your lunch because you won’t be going home until 5.30pm because the form and qualification tests are quite complex. And while you’re here you will be expected to clean the offices and toilets, learn how to do basic maintenance and remember to head home for a decent night sleep because to qualify you need to be here at 8am tomorrow (and for the rest of the month).

  • conwaycaptain

    When I went to sea we had to do the jobs the seamen did, clean holds, clean bilges, splice, holystone the decks etc etc/ PLUS keep a watch in traffic, take sights, navigate the ship etc etc.
    You cannot tell someone to do something unless you have done it yourself.
    Now it is school, uni and then expect a job at far over what they are worth. My salary as an apprentice was 12.50 GBP and ended up at something like 20 GBP in 3rd year. I had to save for my school fees and accommodation to sit 2nd Mates. Then got a job as 3rd Mate at about 100 GBP pm.

  • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

    Back in my school days I wanted to be a mechanic. It was all I wanted to do and I excelled at mechanical/engineering tasks, but my school wouldnt support my chosen career and I was hobbled most of the last 2 years with the catch phrase of “why settle for a trade when you can go to UNI”. It was this generation (mine) that were pushed away from trades and left the big gap we are desperately trying to fill now.

    I gave up trying to fight it and did the UE courses prescribed by those “in the know” and hated it. I left school unable to find an apprenticeship locally and joined the military to escape and get a career. I had a ball but after those good years I still felt I have let myself down and there was something I should be doing.

    I left the military and started to chase up an apprenticeship but now I was in my 30’s and “too old”. I chased hard and spent weeks door knocking and looking for work, even work in positions that might lead into a trade (engineering/ fitter turner welder/ fabricator/ mechanic). In the end I had to again move away from my heart and just find a job to put food on the table. I have tried at various times for a trade over the years but to no avail.

    I tested in the 99th percentile for mechanical apptitude and in the high 90’s for everything else so I’m not stupid (IQ is in the mensa range). I am a backyard engineer and have built a few vehicles for my own use (4wd trials and offroading) and am now part way though a scratch built hot rod styled ute.

    My biggest hurdle I believe is my age. Which I would have though would be a bonus. I am settled with a home and am not going to qualify and then go on an OE never to be seen again. I have almost made the grade once when I was pipped at the post by a 18year old (good on him for getting it) as I hadnt done a pre trade course and the HSE people argued I was a risk and my employment would impact on their H&S insurance etc. My 20 years of working didnt count for anything apparently. Hell I’ve even offered to work for a week for nothing just to prove I am keen but no takers.

    I’m now 44 and start a part time pre trade course at CPIT. I dont have an apprenticeship to go to yet but I figure that If I dont give it a final nudge then chances are I will never do it.

    Most of the guys I work with are in their 20s and their work ethic is crap. Their attention to detail and just their drive to get a job done is lacking. I’ve never been surrounded by so many with such a lackadaisical attitude and predominately they seem to be the children of my generation and later (children of the 70s/80’s). We seem to be breeding the weak generation with no drive, a hand out permanantly and a socialist outlook on how society should be.

    • Richard

      Where are you based?

      • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

        SW of Chch.

  • exactchange

    My advice to our 17 yo young man doing the Red Shirt work experience programme (Warehouse) was – 1. never stand around with your arms folded. 2. Make sure your hand is the first one up, whatever the job. Worked for him.

    Now a year on he has left school and finished a half year trades foundation course with a lot of support from the polytech – no fees, travel allowance, lots of positive feedback. Very cool when he comes home and says he’s been learning to trench with a digger.

    Seems that most on his course are like the tradies say in the article. Actually his work ethic is probably only a bit above average, but compared to most others in the class he is a star.

    He is bright, could have gone to uni (thinking of engineering) but fortunately figured out he likes hands on. Though the kitchen hand job, not so much – though he has stuck at it.

    Anyway, just wanted to point out that the kids are not all hopeless.

  • sandalwood789

    “I’m paying him $23/hr… ”

    That is *very* good money, especially for a warehouse job!

  • Chris W

    How many years have people been saying this? The very people making these claims were probably repulsive little scrotes when they were in their teens. I was there, they were, I remember.

  • Realist

    Takes one to know one eh Cam?

  • Burf

    Here is an excellent article that summarises the attitude of the Generation Y people.
    I know several who fit into the mould of gypsys – and I would think you would too.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wait-but-why/generation-y-unhappy_b_3930620.html

  • KQ

    Its totally true what these employers are saying. It has been for sometime. Rubbish attitudes and expectation (read entitlement) is the biggest problem. These kids want a car and a six figure salary before they have even proven themselves. Thanks Labour and National.

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