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  • Not Clinically Insane

    Ive never been a fan of the French. Sullen, ungrateful and that ‘cheese-eating surrender monkeys’ tag basically summed them up.

    However much of the West can learn a great deal from their reaction to yesterdays events. Their resolute defiance and objection to the intrusion into their way of life can really only be admired; rather than continually bending those who demand otherwise

    • pisces8284 .

      If it happened here the left would be quick to lay the blame at the government’s feet. There was blissful solidarity after the Chch earthquake but it didn’t last long

      • Wallace Westland

        Pffft. The left have been blaming the CHCH earthquake on Key and the Nats for years. Just ask loopy Lianne Dalziel!

        • pisces8284 .

          That was my point, it only lasted a week.

    • mommadog

      I’ve not visited France but always had the impression they were quite patriotic which comes across as sullen and ungrateful – particularly when they get sick of all the English coming across the channel on holiday who expect the French to speak English and pander to them. Obviously its only an impression and I could be way off track. When push comes to shove many will fight for what they believe such as their legacy with the French resistance.

      • Reaper

        I found them to be sullen and ungrateful until I produced a NZ passport, then they were extremely friendly and welcoming. It is just the English they don’t like.

        • GoingRight

          The Brits don’t like the French either or trust them, just ask anyone who lived in UK during the war although there are fewer around the days.

        • Carl

          Same with the Turks, as soon as they know you are Aussie or Kiwi they love you.

      • Disinfectant

        I’ve been there many times.
        They are so Nationalistically arrogant that they even opposed the establishment of Euro-Disney. Yet Disney was of French descent and Disney is a French name. But because it was successful as an American business, they had to oppose it. Anything American they would oppose.
        As for French cuisine in their Hotels, forget it. Their food is crap.
        Once filed a flight-plan on the Minitel computer system from Calais to Rheims. On contacting Rheims they denied any knowledge of it, despite a receipt. Had to divert to Le Bourget, otherwise they would arrest us on landing. No b……d (Air Traffic Control) would talk to us. Eventually got a clearance over Paris at 1,000 feet.
        Once parked the plane at Le Bourget where ATC told us to. Came back next morning. No plane. Where is it? Shoulder shrugs all round. They decided to move it during the night and stuffed the brakes. I could go on and on, but there is no point.
        On one occasion I raised my fist and shook it under this arrogant b…..ds nose. At that point he backed own and I saw the coward for what he was and things came right.
        So my experience is stand up to them and take no crap.

        • Wendy

          You are not English, are you? Lol.

          • Disinfectant

            A kiwi born and bred.

          • Dave

            Hmmm most likely of english decent then !

    • Isherman

      I’ll give them credit for giving the world three things of any merit. Voltaire, the Foreign Legion, and Mayonnaise. (though I’m a cheese fan and the Roquefort Papillon is just divine).

  • jude

  • Carl

    So the guy who won 10.5 million in lotto the other week was given the ticket by a friend for giving him a hand along with another guy who helped out. How much if any would you give to, (a) the guy who gave you the ticket , (b) the guy also given a ticket but didn’t win? Myself, 2 mil to (a) and 500k to (b).

    • jude

      10.5 million is a lot of money! I would want to give a million to each sister and husband siblings. That is 6 used up. 1 million to each set of parents 8 million used. Keep a million for us so 1 million to a and 500 k to b☺️

      • Dave

        Hmmm, Im a bit tougher than you Jude, as much as i want to assist family, I think i might give them far less and use more to assist grandkids and neices / nephews. Educaton and sporting funds, paid once they PASS, funds to set them up, assist with major assets, but not for vehicles or travel. Sure, one of my sisters is doing it tough and I would assist without setting her up to fund her hubbies lifestyle. Of course, for us, the Porsche, the matching his and hers range rovers, the personal lear jet, a mansion in Glenorchy, and one here to alternate between. Maybe then I would wake up from the dream and think, nah, im not like DotCom, might just settle for one range rover!

        • jude

          I treat the win as a windfall to be shared☺️Unlikely to ever happen though. I don’t buy lotto . I prefer to set aside a bit and save.

          • Dave

            I do buy when there is a jockpot or similar over 10 mill, but not often!

      • Bart67

        I’ve often wondered how I could best use something like a Lotto windfall to best effect. The way I see it, starting a large family trust to purchase houses for family members and scholarships for tertiary education would be the best way ahead. A small but meaningful contribution to the family trust by all members would allow it to be administered. Accommodation costs would betaken care of, and should a family member wish to do so, that can purchase their home from the trust as long as the home is sold at market rates, which would allow the trust to purchase new homes for new family members. Some people may be a bit miffed that there is no initial large cash windfall, but imagine being able to keep caring for your family for generations to come!

    • Steve (North Shore)

      I would not give anything to anyone. The ticket was a gift. I do not give something and then expect a return. Nobody gives you anything when you lose.
      Your shout. Well maybe a small amount, but not millions.
      This is Karma, the guy deserves it

      • willtin

        Do you understand what you just suggested? Get a big win, luck or karma. The ticket was a gift, luck or karma, you keep it all for yourself – KARMA

      • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

        Would be gutting if the giver (guy A) held both in his hand and the loser (Guy C) had first choice.

        At the end of the day I’d expect nothing if I was A or C but would like to think the generous “gift” would be paid back in some way.

        • Huia

          I bought a lotto ticket a few years back and my boss lined up behind me and bought the next one. I didn’t win a cent and he won $500,000.I never quite got over it.

          • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

            That happened in the US a while ago. A guy went to buy his ticket dropped his cash so stepped out grabbed it and stepped in behind the guy who was behind him. The guy he let in got the winning lucky dip and walked away with US$190Mil (before tax of course).

    • Greg M

      Not one cent would depart my grasping fingers. Under “miserable” in the dictionary it says “see Greg”.

      • You get a lot of friends when you have money. It’s really disgusting.

        • Greg M

          Dunno Pete, I have a few bucks, and I still have no mates. :-)

          • I’ll be over shortly

            :P

          • Dave

            You have plenty of mates right here Greg!

          • caochladh

            Well, there you go…..I wouldn’t confess to winning anything in the first place.

        • Wendy

          Only to be matched in disgustingness by the way they disappear when you find yourself with none.

      • jude

        You make me laugh:)

    • 1951

      I would hope I would divide equally between the three, the giver, the friend and me, myself. That’s still over $2 mill each. From there I would invest to grow the pile, so as to keep the kids happier later. Let them know the advantage the making-ones-own-way before ‘spoiling’ them.

    • mommadog

      I would offer some to the person who gave me the ticket and the other guy. perhaps 500K each. My sister would get 1mil to do with as she pleased (keep it all or share with her 3 kids – her decision). Other than paying off the mortgage, and a desperately needed new car the other 8mil would sit in the bank for a while earning interest as I don’t want to make rush decisions and I don’t want anyone outside of the family to know I won by being flashy. I couldn’t cope with all the bludgers turning up asking for some and the hard luck stories. A small portion such as another 500K will be given to charity (maybe Sallies and SPCA) but as has been discussed here before Id make sure the money went to what it was for, not admin and payroll costs. The rest will take care of me for the rest of my life. It would be nice to work because I wanted to rather than had to for the paycheque.

    • Dave

      My reccomendation, he buy the DotCom mansion, it will be vacant soon, and should be cheap as it needs a full renovation after the stench of the current tenant. And thinking of Greg’s M comment below, you get lots of mates suddenly dropping round for parties!

    • LovetoTeach

      I’d split it 3 ways and be incredibly thankful for my luck

  • Aucky

    How the French must regret their forebears’ dreams of colonial expansion in North Africa. What an awful legacy that has wrought on Metropolitan France.

    • Cadwallader

      Mind you they left Algeria with much bloodshed. The French were not great at being a colonial power…Vietnam, New Caledonia, Algeria. Each departure seems to have heralded a violent clash.

      • Aucky

        They still seem to be sorting out a lot of rubbish including Al Qaeda in former colonies/ current financial dependencies such as Chad, Mauretania & Mali. All predominantly Muslim and seem to keep the Foreign Legion in fulltime employment.

      • willtin

        Nuclear bombing our Pacific Ocean.
        Mining boats in the middle of our major City (Len’s Toy Train Set)
        The French are arrogant members of our Planet.

      • Nechtan

        Lets be fair, pretty much all the colonial powers had a rough time of it when their colonies wanted independence, not just the French.

        • Cadwallader

          Fair enough but the Brits at least tried to depart in a managed exit, with established governments and treaties in place. Did I mention treaties….?

          • Isherman

            On balance they did better than the French, Palestine excepted.

          • Cadwallader

            They did better than the Portugese too.

          • MaryLou

            Yes, they definitely managed their exit from Israel. A very good book – Exodus, but authors name slips my mind for now…

          • jude

            Leon Uris:)

          • MaryLou

            That’s the one – he’s written a few good books, including an absolutely heart wrenching one on the Palestinians. Clearly having a senior moment!

            For balance decided it was necessary to read Arafat straight after Exodus. Quite remarkable in parts, where viewpoints actually converged.

          • Isherman

            Mitla Pass is also a good one of his.

          • MaryLou

            Haven’t found that one, will look it up!

          • jude

            I haven’t read Arafat.We have Leon Uris and a few Mitchener books in the book case. They to me are classics.
            ‘The Drifters ‘ is a fav of mine. It is now out of print.
            I managed to grab a copy from a school book fair many years ago.

          • MaryLou

            Yay for school and library fairs, I’ve so many books now that couldn’t be obtained any other way!

          • MaryLou

            Other Leon Uris book worth reading is The Haj – but you need to have a good glass of wine, tissues and a strong stomach.

          • Reaper

            His book Trinity, about Ireland, is also good.

          • MaryLou

            Another one to find – thank you! Always short on good reading material.

          • Reaper

            There is a sequel too, Redemption.

          • MaryLou

            Brilliant – that’s 3 good suggestions tonight. Should get me through to Monday!!

          • Aucky

            Leon Uris.

          • John Williams

            Yeah that went really well in India didn’t it

          • Cadwallader

            Yes it did….eventually!

    • Mags

      The colonial powers may have reaped the benefits at the time but their ancestors are paying the price now.
      Edit: England as an example

  • ozbob68

    Interpreting the news has taken on a whole new meaning. You now need to look for what is not broadcast, like the BBC news article with Huw Edwards on One News tonight, which displayed journalistic cartoons about Charlie Hebdon but none that portrayed Mohammed. I don’t think that was a co-incidence.

  • Carl

    Would have been 80 yesterday. RIP

    • 1951

      Luv it. At least he remains youngish compared to what he would be now.

      • willtin

        Hard to imagine Elvis now, had he lived so long.
        One of the 20th Century’s most beautiful voices.

        • 1951

          I loved his later years especially ‘Yesterday’ at this concert. Funny, he wasn’t such a bad bloke either. None of the ‘Elvis was my Dad’, ‘I Had Elvis’s Baby’ type carry-on as has followed so many others.

          • mommadog

            A good southern boy who loved his momma.

        • pisces8284 .

          I remember exactly what I was doing the moment I heard he had died, same with Jack Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe. Moments in time frozen forever

    • I had all the tributes prepared, and then they got wiped off the schedule by Paris

      • 1951

        Not too late….?

        • Ok, here you go then.

          • Note how they go to just his face when he does the ‘rude’ bits and the girls start screaming. Classic.

          • Nechtan

            Elvis the pelvis

          • 1951

            Luv you too Pete.

          • Awwww. Steady on now. :)

          • 1951

            Awwww, you have done it now Pete! After all those clips plus one for later, I am now on the 3rd glass. You won’t be able to shut me up now ;) Thanks, we needed that after the last couple of days. Luv you still.

        • A tribute tribute.

        • Remember when all the slick packaging started? Cliff Richard did the same.

        • And towards the end…

          • Dave_1924

            This is one of my favourite Elvis songs… what a voice….

        • And… his “last song ever”

          • jude

            There is no voice quite like Elvis. Thank you for posting these:)

          • 1951

            Ohh tears!!

        • To close: His “lost performances”. It’s a “full concert” at an hour…. You might want to bookmark it.

        • Addendum: If Elvis was still alive, it’s getting less likely that he is today ;)

          • Carl

            You were not joking when you said you had a few tributes sorted. glad I got my song in first.

      • Carl

        Fair enough, just thought I had to post a song but would still love to see your tributes.

      • jude
    • hookerphil

      Has Mike Hoskin modelled his hairstyle after Elvis?

  • Sally

    I wonder what we would be saying today if we had got a different result in the elections.
    Would Labour/Greens/NZ First/IPMana be putting their hand up and say we will defend NZers’ freedom, we will make sure our spy agencies can do their job?

    • willtin

      You asked me a similar question last night. Troll or Doll?

      • Sally

        I did? Certainly not a troll but could have had a senior moment.

        • willtin

          Soooo, Doll? lol
          I’ll find the ‘similar question’ if you disbelieve me.

          • Sally

            Not a problem – don’t bother. Easier for me look .

  • Jafarma

    ” Off to the paddock for holiday beach fun”. Isn’t it great that people still make their properties available for this:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11383770 .
    Slowly but surely these sorts of places seem to disappear – I recall going to such a place in the 80’s not far from Simpson’s Beach on Henry and Jenny McGregor’s farm right on Opoutere beach just north of Whangamata. Henry would provide water via an alkathene pipe and take away your rubbish, and help launch your boat with his MF28 tractor if need be. It was a great quietish place for family holidays and an awesome beach. But some time in the late 80’s / early 90’s I think, they sold the farm to a land banker and the ‘Private Property No Entry’ sign went up. I drove in there a few months ago and it looked like it still remains a beach now locked away for anyone to enjoy – unless anyone knows otherwise and the current owners do open it up at some point? such a shame if not.

    • 1951

      (psst! there is one very close at Whananaki. Just ask at shop and they can point the way) Yup, nothing better than wake up to sheep grazing just a canvas width away. Long drop loos, cold water showers and the smell of grass.( the one above was offered $34 mill some years back but being true kiwis, turned it down.)

      • Jafarma

        Glad they turned the offer down; it lives on! For long drop LOOs I recall we had to dig our own / bring our own LOO tent and used those solar heated (hot water bottle shaped) showers

        • 1951

          Solar showers: we had competition one year, for the Best Innovative Idea…. Winner was best mate next to us had jacked-up pedal-pump for blow-up bed, to his solar shower to get a constant-full-on-flow for shampoo nights. Damned good fun too.

  • BloodyOrphan

    Well I upgraded my PC for Christmas … on a budget of course …

    – A Z97X-UD3H Gigabyte motherboard
    – 8 gbytes of 2400mHz DDR3 memory

    – Intel G3258 Unlocked processor
    – 256 gbyte SSD drive

    Overclocked the processor to 4.4 GHz (Spec’d for 3.2 so 1.2 GHz faster), set the Vcore to 1.19 volts, and it runs between 36 and 51 Deg C (75-79 when stress testing)

    Really impressed with the processor, only cost $90 and it’s performing like an i7 8-)

    • Moonroof

      Welcome back BO, haven’t seen you about here for a while

      • BloodyOrphan

        Thanks Moonroof, I’ve been reading, not commenting so much, just concentrating on the house / work no other reason 8-)

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      Hey BO, welcome back…
      It’s Intel, not AMD – of course it’s good :D

      /intel_fanboi

      • BloodyOrphan

        Gotta agree, the G3258 was a 20th anniversary release from Intel, and I’ve got to say it’s rock solid, the Gigabyte Auto tune, ramped the voltage a little high (1.25V), but I dropped it manually to 1.19V and it was still solid as a rock, even after a couple of hours of stress testing with Prime95 while playing videos and surfing the net and playing WarRock.

        All things considered it’s the best bang for buck processor out there.

    • Greg M

      What graphics card you running?

      • BloodyOrphan

        NVidia GeForce 9600 GT (1gByte of memory) (Which has a built in refrigeration unit that takes up 2 PCI slots)

        I’m running the Graphics clock at 1350MHz, but have had it as high as 1600MHz, it runs at 52 Deg C at 1350, and got a bit hot at 1650 (78 Deg C)

        All the games I play are running at 140 frames per second without any dip at all.

        • Greg M

          Good card. I had one for a few years before upgrading to MSI 7950. A big grunta.

          • BloodyOrphan

            Yeah I’ve been impressed with it, I use the PC for TV etc so wanted something that had a good colour map etc.

            It’s now the slowest card in the machine (Windows exp index of 6.9), which surprised me.

            Like I said, I’m on a budget so I’m happy with 140fps at the mo 8-)

  • Wendy

    I posted this in FOTD earlier, but due to technical difficulties (Im a technodork), I am reposting it here:

    I am not Jewish. That in itself is not important, but its kind of relevant to this story.

    Some time ago I read Eshet Chayil. Eshet Chayil is a passage in the book of Proverbs and is Hebrew for “woman of valour”. It is recited or sung by a husband to his wife during Shabbat before Shabbat dinner. It is a beautiful passage about the strength and courage of a woman.

    It begins “A woman of valor, who can find?…
    Far beyond pearls is her value.
    Her husband’s heart trusts in her
    and he shall lack no fortune…”

    So it represents strength and courage. This so resounded with me that I went and bought the tee shirt (lol). When I put it on my son said to me “You’re not actually going to wear that are you mum?” We were going to Avondale.

    The hell Im not going to wear it.

    The hell Im not going to be intimidated into not expressing myself in what I think is a very beautiful way that promotes women so positively.

    And if I am challenged for my choice of expression…well…Ill leave that to your imaginations.

    I am an eshet chayil. I might not agree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it.

    • Ratchette

      I like that.
      I grew up in dockland. My Grandmother’s house was a stones throw from the dock gates. She was the strength of the family as were other women just like her. Women like that are underestimated and sadly ignored.

      • 1951

        They too deserve a medal ;)

    • Isherman

      And a striking design to boot..very nice, and good on ya.

    • Cowgirl

      The Jews have got some wonderful proverbs about women and men’s relationship to them. Years ago I read a lovely article that recounted some that are taught to boys – one I can’t recite fully from memory but it had to do with women being made from Adam’s rib rather than other parts of the body because the rib is in the middle to the side and women should always be held close to the side of men. My personal favourite though (which gets trotted out whenever my husband upsets me lol) is “When you make a woman cry, God counts her tears”. Just fantastic.

      • Wendy

        “…That God chooses the rib over any other part of the body suggests a great deal about His definition of ideal femininity. The rib is fundamental to structure and strength. Indeed it protects some of the most important organs of the human being. In spite of its critical function, however, the rib is concealed from view, and its importance is not readily apparent. The very making of first woman, specifically from the rib, therefore imbues Jewish femininity with hidden power and vitality…”

        Humbly ripped off from http://www.torah.org/learning/women/class73.html

        • 1951

          That is a rather lovely way of portraying balance in life. So different from the feminazi way of viewing things. There has been so much worth reading on WO this week, that is another. Thank you.

          • Wendy

            And in such stark contrast to the esteem in which women are held by Islamic fundamentalists. I know which I prefer.

  • Nebman

    Confession time – I felt compelled to comment on another blog site yesterday – let’s call it a left leaning site and leave it at that. The thing I noticed was the sheer volume of personal invective to those that dared utter a differing opinion. Very deep and personal loathing of one whom they’d never met or meet, scorn and derision dished out in equal measure merely for not sharing the same view as the majority.

    Proffering the argument that open dialogue and debate was healthier without the personal vitriol was just wasted breath figuratively speaking.

    It got me thinking about comments I read here on posts. For the most part, differing views are challenged at times but without the personal attack which of course encourages more debate. Yes, there are times when the debate heats up as passionate holders of views fail to sway the opposite side but generally speaking it’s “agree to disagree” and move along.

    I’ve no issue with being called out for being wrong when I am.

    The end result is that for all the hyperbole thrown around about WHBO, it is in fact probably the most “user friendly” blog site for participants.

    I wonder if the left understand the definition of irony?

    • Isherman

      Of course you could have just gone and had a conversation with a brick wall, and got amount the same amount of listening and penetration without the abuse, they do monologue..not dialogue.

      • Nebman

        True and very apt! I won’t be going back – not because I can’t handle the abuse – I’m one of 8 kids so getting abused has been part of my life forever. There’s nothing so nasty as a little sister hell bent on revenge – it’s I just can’t see the point.

        It’s either a massive back slapping agreement fest or a cess pit of ridiculous name calling.

        • mommadog

          You’re right. There’s no point so why waste time and energy trying to have a discussion/debate. It certainly lets you see the other half of the country though and that’s the part I find quite concerning at times. These illogical people without the skills to think and debate, who only know how to be rude and obnoxious to anyone who doesn’t agree with them get to vote and make decisions….

    • Aucky

      There’s no fun over there either Nebman. There’s some really good humour here at times.

    • waldopepper

      normal practice isnt it for the left. in any debate, the right debate the position someone takes, whereas the left attack the person for daring to think something different. never the issue. debating anything with left wingers is like arguing with a 3 year old.

    • colin herbertson

      something to bear in mind is that most of the people inhabiting those blogs are just kids[sorry young people] with a simplistic view of how the world works,i know when i was 20 i was much more left than i am now and the answers to every thing seemed so obvious that anyone who saw things differently was obvously either stupid or evil.

    • 1951

      In times gone by one would have received a medal for such gallantry. Sadly, all I commend is visit the Elvis salute below.

    • Nige.

      Me thinks they do protest too much.

      Most people recognise that. No one actually cares about those blogs but the same few people who frequent it obsesivly like a religion.

    • John Williams

      Ha preach to the converted its easier. Have you read the comments on this blog? Can you please find one that’s positive about the left. There’s real hatred for any opposing views. Its just gets shouted out. That’s what our country has lost. The ability to debate. People just hate its easier.

  • Nechtan

    A wee gripe for the night, I’m having a lie down this afternoon/evening as I was feeling a tad crook. The phone rings a lovely young lady collecting for a charity I support, asks me how am I? I say crook, she says oh thats no good we will ring you back in a few weeks. All good. A few minutes later a young man rings up trying to sell me something, same questions, same answer, does he hang up, not on your life, goes straight into the patter. I say look mate I’m not interested or feeling well, Ok he says I’ll ring you back tomorrow. If he does he’ll get an ear bashing and a half, then I might launch into his supervisor. Bloody RUDE.

    • Isherman

      Might I recommend the Hudson “Acme thunderer” or “Metropolitan” police whistle as a phone table accessory.

      • Nechtan

        When I’m 100% I can be quite loud, and like Billy Connolly have turned swearing into an art form.

        • Dave

          Let me guess, the 2nd caller was trying to sign you up to a lifetime membership in the Green Party? :)

          Hope you feel better soon.

  • SlightlyStrange

    Sigh, Trade Me.
    Spent over a week trying to chase up a buyer on the request of the bank to find out if their bank had refunded the money our bank had returned to them when they closed our account with no warning.
    No response.
    I go and place a negative feedback to catch attention.
    Response and retaliatory negative feedback within an hour. No email asking whats going on, nothing.
    What a coincidence. Not.

  • Mags

    Sorry for my ignorance. I heard that the pilot from the crashed skydiving plan landed in the blackberry bushes. Do pilots routinely wear a parachute?

    • Greg M

      When flying skydivers yes. The pilot wears a “pilots rig” which has one parachute only in it, no reserve.

      • Nechtan

        Why Greg? Is there more likelihood of something going wrong when dispatching skydivers?

        • willtin

          Why not? is the question

        • Greg M

          Yes. Maximum climb power with maximum load in a non standard aircraft. I did 140 – odd jumps with the RNZN skydiving club way back in the late 80’s.

          • Disinfectant

            This commentator is a former skydive and topdressing pilot.
            Engines have limits such as maximum power for a specified period of time for take-off and initial climb, then a power reduction for further climb. At all times parameters such as cylinder head temperatures, exhaust gas temperatures, engine revolutions, oil temperatures and torque limits have to be kept within specified limits. All this can be done by varying the fuel mixture, throttle settings, propeller speed and airspeed.
            The greatest risk to damaging a piston engine is due to thermal shock leading to a cracked cylinder head due to uneven and rapid cooling at low power on a fast descent with excess air-cooling.
            Skydiving aircraft do not carry as big a load as a topdressing plane, most of which have the same engines. Agricultural aircraft are permitted to operate at a 12.5% greater all up weight than those used for skydiving. Furthermore topdressing planes do many more take-offs and landings under full power on an average day than skydiving aircraft. I once did 163 take-offs and landings in one day. Other pilots have done more.
            Engine failures in topdressing aircraft being used in that role are extremely rare. All the pilots I have ever known adopt trend monitoring of their engines. I used to mark on the gauges the normal operating positions on the instruments with a china graph pencil. Most engines have slight differences. Any deviation from normal would lead to a discussion with the maintenance engineer.

          • aero13

            But why did the pilot jump. Under most circumstances of engine failure in a single engine aircraft, it is standard practice to maintain airspeed and execute a forced landing. From the reported 2,000ft altitude, the p.i.c. should have been able to do this.

          • Disinfectant

            I was puzzled by this myself, but he might not have been able to glide to a suitable area of land clear of obstrctions.

          • aero13

            Ditching in the lake could have been a viable last resort option.

          • Wasapilot

            I wonder if by the time he had got the pax off, he was at way less than 2000′. I heard one MSM report that said the engine failed at 2000 metres.

          • Dave

            My question to the MSM, how would they know if the pilot was at 2000 feet, or 2200 feet? I was very surprised one major paper didnt feature a picture of a 737 in their article, they are both planes, surely they are same!

          • Greg M

            Good information. We were using a 185 with the io520 and a two bladed prop at the time, all I remember is the CHT guages just under the red segment.

            Edited

          • Disinfectant

            The Continental IO520 engine was more delicate than the Lycoming engine, but still a good engine just the same.
            Some of the early topdressing aircraft with this engine had a high Cylinder Head Temperature (CHT).
            The solution was to increase the mass airflow (cooling air)through the engine by making the cowling under the engine much bigger – Agwagons.
            Another operational solution for skydiving aircraft (Cessna 185) was to trade maximum rate of climb rate for an increased climb speed to again increase mass airflow for greater cooling.
            Believe me, all the answers are out there. Just talk to some crusty old pilots and engineers.

          • Sooty

            How can there be an odd number of takeoffs and landings? Did you leave your plane up in the air, or did you parachute into it to start? I just can not see how you get an odd number.

          • Disinfectant

            Simple. If I take off and land again, that is one take-off and landing – an odd number. If I do it twice, that is two. If I do it 163 times, that is 163 times – again an odd number.

        • Wendy

          Unless I am mistaken, planes which are used for skydiving are reconfigured…seats are taken out to make room for divers to sit on the floor, which alters the centre of gravity, etc…

          • Disinfectant

            Topdressing aircraft operating in the Agricultural role are permitted to operate with an extended rear “Centre of Gravity” rear envelope. This comes with manoeuvring and flight loading limits.
            Skydiving aircraft are not permitted to operate in this environment, so there should never be a rear “Centre of Gravity” problem, unless it is done deliberately.

          • Wendy

            I was thinking about the 2010 crash at Fox Glacier

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_New_Zealand_Fletcher_FU24_crash

          • Disinfectant

            My view is that it was a rear “Centre of Gravity” (COG) problem.
            The aircraft could have been incorrectly loaded with the positioning of the skydivers.
            Someone may have turned round from facing backwards to facing forwards during take-off, thus changing the COG to lie well outside its limits. This would cause the aircraft to pitch up (as it did), then stall aerodynamically (which it did).
            Someone may even have slipped back on the floor due to its smooth surface if the aircraft went over a big surface bump on the airstrip during takeoff. I don’t know whether this aircraft had foot blocks on the floor to prevent this from happening.

          • Wendy

            Yes, I think that is the point Im trying to make in my untechnical way…you take the seats out then anyone in the back is potentially more mobile and the “load” shifts outside the parameters of the normal operating conditions the plane is designed for.

          • Dumrse

            So, what produced the sparks and stalled the prop and how did he hold it level for everybody to exit ?

          • Disinfectant

            My comment was a response to “Wendy’s” blog which referred to the Fox Glacier Skydiving aircraft crash, and not the recent Taupo one.
            Hope this clarifies the situation for you.

          • Dumrse

            My humble apolo’s.

          • Dave

            I can rcall a lot of Topdressing activities in the hunterville / utiku / taihape area, topdressers taking off the side of steep hills or cliffs to get airborne, sometimes very very overloaded, Pilots were amazing, gradually increasing the load to suit the “assisted takeoff”.

        • Michael_l_c

          Yes. Has happened that a chute has opened prematurely, because someone pulled the release & will take the plane down. The best plans of mice or men & things still go wrong so wear a chute.

    • Rem

      the pilot might have wanted to jump too and had planned to get auto pilot to land the plane.

    • Asian_driver

      If I was the pilot I would have jumped, but then I used to skydive in the 80’s an it was my preferred option, pilots wore parachutes, never needed them in the time I was jumping. He must have thought things were pretty bad or he probably would have stayed, thats what pilots do, fly planes. Wasthis plane a cresco? We used to jump in Palmy from an old 206 called DOA, it ended its life in the drink too, things have changed a bit , way more commercial tourist maybe less sport jumping, good times wasted youth, no playstations back then

      • Greg M

        Heh! Our old 185 was CCX, then we had a very early cresco 600, JAD, and that was luxury at the time.

        • Asian_driver

          We had a backup plane also a 185, CAK but it was 160 an hour and the 206 was only 140, most jumps were 8 or 9 dollars and we thought we were getting done !

          • Greg M

            Yep we were the same, no more than 10 bucks to 10,000 ft. We used to spend more money on jugs at the Matamata trust in the evening than we did on jump fees.
            My main was a 5 cell Strato star, aka strato brick, I still have it in a box somewhere.

          • Asian_driver

            I had a Cruislite, it was as flash as they got back then with a swift reserve, got it from Brian Shanahan, drove up to Auck to get it , now you just put it on the courier, my flatmate had a strato star, and a strange guy had a Petrodactyl, we used to bumble our way through some RW then try for a 3 or 4 stack. A few highlights were landing a 4 plane into the cycling track at Wangavegas one guy fawlkes, and trying to do 20ways out of a Bristol Freighter at Blenheim, one day we went to town and cloudbase was 2000ft so we rented a 150 and went up one at a time to do accuracy, was jump 118 and my only malfunction was jumping on old club rig a Papion with a fore and aft lopo reserve. had a good celebration after that one.
            Today I went to National superbike champs and was racing my old thing and ended up on my arse, I guess some people never learn !

          • Greg M

            My first jump was a Papillon, then Para commanders until I got my A licence and bought the brick. One of our lot, a weird bugger called Gordo jumped a dactyl once, looked like a hang glider without the pipes, scared the spuds off him and he stuck to his huge X300 after that. They were good days, how the hell I survived it all I don’t know.

          • Asian_driver

            thanks for bringing back good memories, still got my old Skies Call books, revered like the bible back then

          • Greg M

            What club were you? I was Navy…”the silly hats club”.

          • Asian_driver

            Manawatu Skydiving Club

  • sarahmw

    A query. Just watched Jessica Mutch our European correspondent on tv1. How did she manage to get that job? One of the most amateurish I have seen. Interesting how watching professional correspondents like Christiane Amanpour shows these cue readers up.

    • mommadog

      Re the child at the Winz office. I wonder what the back story is? Too many kids to feed, asking for handouts that Winz refused so give them the child instead?
      Still better leaving the child in a safe place like Winz than beating them and the toddler becoming another statistic.

      • Nechtan

        How long before its John Key’s fault?

        • Isherman

          Silly man,.. it was John Keys fault for them being in whatever sad situation it was that led them to this point.

      • Carl

        With not knowing why he did it I have got respect for the guy to leave it at Winz rather than doing what most would do as you say.

        • Isherman

          And it seems he didn’t show any signs of injury or severe neglect, but the police are not going to release any more about it, so we may not hear the circumstances behind it. I just hope its more benign than otherwise.

      • Greg M

        Really sad situation. I hope the family get the assistance they need.

  • Nirvana10

    Venus Williams has just come onto court to play the semi final in the ASB Classic and the appalling on court interviewer puts on a mock Afro-American accent and shrieks,
    ‘Love that outfit GIRL!’ Bloody hell! It’s not only the sexism but the embarrassment of the uber matiness. Just as well Venus is a real pro and I guess she’s used to having to deal with amateur interviewers.

  • idbkiwi

    How about a wager?
    What’s the bet this story doesn’t show up in any NZ msm?

    Egyptian military doubling buffer zone with Gaza , demolishing nearly 1,220 more homes
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/08/egyptian-military-doubling-buffer-zone-with-gaza-demolishing-nearly-1220-more/

    Over to youse……………….

    • Isherman

      Amazingly it was mentioned today in the Horrid of all places, near the bottom and as a footnote to the main election story.

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=11383819

      • MaryLou

        You’re right, that is amazing. Horrid “World” section is so sparse, and generally misses the main events round the world. Drives me nuts!

    • Isherman

      I was a bit slow there, should have asked what you were payin first eh, lol.

  • la la land

    Whats going on on twitter with Benjamin Rachinger? He is publishing screen shots of conversations with journalists and what looks like it might be Cam? Cant really understand what he is trying to get across although it looks like it could get interesting.

    • MaryLou

      Publishing where?

      • la la land

        on twitter

    • la la land

      He seems to be going after Jessica Williams – I hope he is not going after you too Cameron.

      • Dave

        A junior wannabbe journalist from memory. Still cant understand what its all about, but it seems to be a bit of a meltdown. Ben, if your reading this, whatever is going on, stop, walk away from the keyboard for 24 hours. After some fresh air, a nice walk or time with family, everything can seem a lot better.

        • Damon Mudgway

          After just viewing the vids Cam posted, I found him pretty on to it. Something has clearly happened today to upset him.

          • Dave_1924

            I haven’t found him odd at all and I have followed his twitter for a little while… more idealistic

    • Damon Mudgway

      Benjamin who? Only one I can find on Google is some dude listed at Monarch Modelling agency.

      • MaryLou

        Found one on Twitter who does seem to be having a meltdown, and perhaps implying he’s Rawshark. Frankly seems a bit spacey. Never heard of him, so no idea how to evaluate the weirdness…

        • la la land

          yep its pretty hard to follow – pretty sure he is a hacker but not RS and also pretty sure he is no RS supporter. But again not certain.

      • la la land

        He is a “Hacktivist” – Cam published some political videos he did a while ago. He is very political as well as hating anyone who is a pedophile etc. He is not too fond of KDC either. He is quite an interesting guy but it is often quite hard to follow his tweets.

        • Damon Mudgway

          Just been over to twitter to view. He’s taken some prime space candy today by the looks. I’m also seeing a suicidal tone in his messaging.

          • MaryLou

            Not sure about suicidal, but certainly he and someone called Valkyrie ready to create some carnage…

          • la la land

            and he has over 6000 followers…

          • MaryLou

            If you jump onto Valkyries page, some more odd stuff…

          • Reaper

            He was seriously questioning Andrew Little about all sorts of security issues last night on Twitter.

          • la la land

            hmmm yes i wish they would get to the point!

        • Dave

          Hmmmm he had a few videos cam published, and i liked his approach and stance. Didnt agree 100% with his idealogy, but he seemed to be on to something. His latest rants seem hard to follow, can’t figure out wha tis going on ?

      • Dave_1924

        His videos are interesting Damon. Especially the second one, which explains some of the comments on here about a senior Nat having a dodgy record with regard to wifely abuse…

    • Cowgirl

      Major meltdown going on there. I enjoyed his videos but he seems to have lost the plot a bit lately. Not sure if he is legitimately a player, or if he is one of the many on Twitter who thinks he is more important than he really is.

      • la la land

        I know he reads Whaleoil – perhaps he will comment and enlighten us!

  • Damon Mudgway

    And in other vital world news, Jennifer Anniston believes men in Hollywood get paid more than women, and it’s a constant struggle to overcome social expectations of her.

    Gosh, her life must be HELL.

    • Wendy

      Id be mad too if I only got $8 mill for a couple of months work.

    • Just a thought …

      Maybe if she made a ” halfway” decent movie sometime things might change for her …….

  • jude

    Last one, for the book lovers:)
    …pic

    • I can’t agree. I’ve read e-books since the late ’90s, and I find real books cumbersome for many reasons.

      • jude

        Travelling I agree. I only took or bought what I was prepared to leave behind.
        Al, loves the e-book.
        I like to flick and smell the paper. A childhood habit, but I do love the feel and smell of a new/old book.

        edit: old books too.

        • MaryLou

          And you can hardly lie on your side in bed, face smooshed into your pillow, and read an e-book. It’s just wrong

          • LovetoTeach

            I do that all the time!

          • MaryLou

            You mean with an ipad or e reader or something? Just can’t see it. You’d have to actually MOVE every time you wanted to turn the page! And you can’t hold an ipad upright in that position…

          • Reaper

            I bought my daughter one of these for xmas:

          • MaryLou

            Haha really? That’s great – never seen one before. If it’s adjustable in height, it’d almost be perfect!

          • Reaper

            Yes, it’s adjustable in height and all sorts of directions. She finds it especially useful for writing, with a wireless keyboard. But good for reading or watching movies in bed.

          • That’s why I read off a smaller device, and a page turn is a light tap with the thumb in the margin.

          • MaryLou

            OK almost convinced. Might have to find a techie shop tomorrow. They expensive to download, books?

          • Dave

            Suggest 5 mnutes on Amazon.com, try the kindle section, perhaps others can suggest other download sites. I have business type books only, they average 40 to 60% of the book price.

          • MaryLou

            Even better – like discounts. So Kindle is best, yes?

          • LovetoTeach

            I love my kindle but if you’re a regular library goer, check with them re what formats they can lend to. Heaps of libraries have ebooks to lend but I can’t access the ones from our library on my kindle, but I think if I had a kobo I could

          • MaryLou

            Good point – I will.

          • LovetoTeach

            New books that would cost $35-$40 have been about 10-12. Also, if you on facebook, have a look at the Pixel of Ink page, as they tell you what’s free/on sale for the day. I had one particular week where I downloaded a heap of books for free and 2 days later they would have cost me over $200.
            One of the things I don’t like with the reference books I’ve downloaded is the inability to use post-its to help me find stuff!

          • MaryLou

            Brilliant – found and bookmarked the page!

            What a helpful bunch!

          • LovetoTeach

            Yep, with my kindle I just lean it on the bed next to the pillow and only need to tap to turn the page…is fab

          • Moonroof

            Happens here – blind as a bat, that is only way that works sans face furniture – otherwise flicked paper pages literally get in one’s face…

          • MaryLou

            :) I’m an “arms length” reader, so haven’t experienced that! Dislike reaching the other arm out though in winter, so wouldn’t want to be flicking at a screen

          • Yes you can. It’s almost how I do all my reading. Very comfy.

        • Isherman

          For me, old books in particular, I’ve got some editions as old as 1864, cloth bound and gold leaf edged, love them.

          • jude

            I am not blessed with them. They are ones to keep and treasure in the family.
            I do know that eventually I should try to enjoy the e-reader, but so long as I can resist, I will.
            The book fairs allow me to recycle the holiday reads that I either leave behind or keep for the fairs/galas.

          • Isherman

            I have nothing against e readers per se, my 13 yr old hasn’t yet developed an appreciation of philosophy or poetry as yet, but I have all the official histories of NZ forces in the first world war and he’s interested in those, because of a family link he was particularly interested in browsing The New Zealanders in Sinai and Palestine, Lt Col Guy Powels.

          • jude

            Al inherited a volume of books called “The Second Great War” edited by Sir John Hammerton.
            We have kept for the same reason.
            His passion for history I hope is enjoyed through the generations.

          • MaryLou

            There is that. You can’t share your books with family in the same way, if they’re on a personal device…

          • That’s different. I have some precious volumes myself. But for recreational reading? Nope.

          • Moonroof

            Most of the special ones are out of print technical ones, along with some historical artifacts. Prob the reason why I’m careful of fire safety et al. Replacing house is easy, library, not.

          • Isherman

            Yep, I imagine my 1918 Harrison & sons Handbook for the Vickers .303 mk IV mounted would be tricky to find as a download, lol

        • Moonroof

          Been a book fiend since forever, the shelves attest, but the battered e-reader gets some use (and you can use it one-handed and eat with t’other).

          • jude

            Eventually, but I will miss the hard copy book. Shall resist a little longer I think:)

      • LovetoTeach

        I love my kindle. With a lot of the newer big format books they are just too blimmin heavy to hold while reading. We bought Miss 10 a second hand one for her birthday and she just loves it too. We both still read paper books too. I love that the kindle is small enough to fit in my handbag

      • Just a thought …

        yeah but the “centrefold ‘ just doesn’t quite work the same on an e-book ………

        • At least your tongue doesn’t get stuck on the staples.

          • Nige.

            Bahhh ha ha ha ha!!!!rrofl

          • Just a thought …

            Bad, bad monkey………..

          • MaryLou

            But it’d leave big streaks on the ipad!

          • I have another joke that escalates from the above, but it would break my own rules. dammit!

          • MaryLou

            So many places this could go… but you’d be hard pushed to beat your last one

          • jude

            Ha ha , Books it is then:)

        • Wheninrome

          Use the enlarge button

      • Jafarma

        Me too. The days of me lugging a suitcase half full of books for my other half to read on holiday are over. An iPad loaded with Amazon and Kindle purchases was one of my best investments ever

      • spanishbride

        I used to have 6 bookshelves and that wasn’t enough to fix my habit and Camerons. Now after a number of moves I have culled the books down to two bookshelves full and have thousands on my Kindles. After 40 my eyesight went down hill so I love my Kindle Paperwhite which looks like paper, is not backlit and I can make the print size bigger.
        My 16 year old daughter however does not use her Kindle and prefers real books.

    • Yeahright

      Every book I’ve read and love is on my book shelve, shown off to everybody, look a bit empty with one e-reader!

  • Isherman
  • BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking
    Reports of shots fired north-east of Paris as French police pursue two suspected Charlie Hebdo gunmen in car chase

    • Isherman

      Just watching it, less than ideal weather for a car chase by the looks of it.

      • Damon Mudgway
        • Isherman

          Cheers, now I’ve got my head turning back and forth from the BBC on telly, WOBH page, and three other tabs…

          • OI!!!! FOCUS HERE!!!! Geez! :)

          • Isherman

            Trying, trying, next problem is I almost need an ad break in the drama so I can got get a coffee brewing….

          • Bit late for that ain’t it? Or are you in another time zone?

          • Isherman

            Nah, normally have one about 10.30-ish. Will be up for a while yet, coffee no longer keeps me awake anyway, immune to its effects I think.

    • Lux

      Anyone who is interested and does not have sky tv, you can watch it on Al-Jazeera on channel 16.

  • WCMiner

    Reading all of the stories today it has become abundantly clear that the two french Islamists were well known to the relevant authorities and had even been overseas to join up with their like minded terrorists. Yet they were allowed to walk around freely and whats more there is up to 1200 returning jihadis in France alone.

    If there are any New Zealanders even thinking of coming back they either need to be locked up on return or their passports cancelled and make themselves comfy in a mud hut with a goat for a wife.

    • Alright

      No self-respecting goat would say “I do.”

      • WCMiner

        I’m not sure if they give them the option of I do in arranged marriages!

        • Alright

          Would the goat have to wear a burkka?

          • WCMiner

            Good question. What would the dowry be?

          • Alright

            Some type of automatic weapon.

  • Alright

    Interesting re your post about “BBC Breaking News” Pete. It is now 10.10 and there is NOTHING about this on the Herald website (there is on stuff). You are now beating the whole resources of the biggest newspaper in New Zealand.

    • I’d open a live blog but even I must head to bed in the near future. As my audience will be as well, we’ll catch up again tomorrow. Need to negotiate with Mrs Pete if I’m allowed to wake her early enough so I can get an update in at 730am :)

      #notarealjournalist

      • Alright

        You did well.

    • fairymai

      BBC has just had a villger from Dammartin,saying they were holed up in the local High school, she sounded very afraid. Tonight, on both, TVone & TV3 news, my darling granddaughter was holding the je suis Charlie sign, her Mama is French, living in Ak..so very upset for her Country… je suis Charlie, je suis Paris, je suis France!

      • Alright

        I feel for you. Actually I am concerned about all of us.

        • fairymai

          Thank you. I feel concerned for us all, as well…

  • Patterson

  • intelligentes candida diva

    Re Paris shootings Al Jazeera reports suspects
    heavily armed,
    robbed another car
    are brothers
    reporter witnesses say helicopter paramedics on the scene &
    Police have contact with suspects

    • Dave

      Am following @BBCbreaking on Twitter, as posted by Pete, highly recommend it, seemed very up to date!

  • Lux
  • I.M Bach

    Bugger! The wife got a pay increase today, didn’t quite break into triple figures. Like my old school reports said; ” could do better.”
    My teachers said that when I came 1st in class. How do you do better than 1st?
    Congrat’s to the wife…..xx

  • Dave_1924

    And a hostage taking in a Kosher Supermarket in Paris….. it gets worse and worse. French Miltary and Police will be fully stretched.

    • Alright

      These people are lunatics (who deserve to be hung, or shot).

  • Dave_1924

    It appears to be co-ordinated between the two situations. the tactic is clear create as much fear as possible. it will be interesting to see who the puppet masters in the background who have primed these exepndable foot soldiers…

    • Alright

      The problem Dave is, that even at this time of the day, you are being rationale. Of course they are related. What the hell to do?

      • Dave_1924

        Its 4 hours earlier than NZ where I currently am… so not hard to be rational….

        What to do – tough question. I suspect based on what I am hearing about the French situation that a lot of people will be rounded up – the authorities have too many of them out there to covetly watch and the have proven themselves extremely dangerous. I also suspect new laws will be drafted around inciting terrorism. And those people rounded up will be locked away for a long time.

        I also suspect there will be blood split by some outraged Frenchmen in the next few days. I hope not but it must be a strong, strong possibility

        • Alright

          Ok (and sorry about the misdirected “e” on rational).

          My problem is I don’t believe what you prescribe will happen.

          Put simply it is too late and there are too many to make a substantive difference to this new world order.

          There are five million Muslims in France. Lets accept that 10 per cent are radical.

          France is at war (as we all are).

          By the way, where are you? Singapore?

          • Dave_1924

            Japan ….. Singapre very shortly.

            Its hard hard thing to figure out. France, England have big issues to address.

            Two camps with a completely different world view: Secular and liberal on one side and Religious and Rigid on the other.

            I think a peaceful solution will be very difficult. Nations are built on Blood and Iron is a famous quote.

            And it maybe that Europe is about to be reshaped by blood and iron….

          • Alright

            Totally concur.

            ….and would this (France) happen in Singapore? Never. Not ever.

  • Dave_1924

    I don’t think Pete will mind this, since he has gone to bed….. a tracker of rumours and news on Reddit about the situation in France …

    http://www.reddit.com/live/u7qtz12ybb74

  • I.M Bach

    Bring on the wise people, I’m aghast.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11384350

    “Prior to the standoff, the suspects had hijacked a Peugeot 206”

    The ultimate in bad taste.

    Edit: Added last sentence.

    • Guest

      A 206, I feel; sick.

    • Guest

      A 206; I feel sick.

  • Ian

    3 Hostage takers dead.4 Hostages dead.

  • Ian

    Update…stats may be wrong…

  • Ian

    Pic.

  • Ian

    Update..4 dead including gunman.

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