Whaleoil Backchat

Good Evening, welcome to the daily Whaleoil Backchat.

You don’t have to stay “on topic” in these posts like you do in all others. Feel free to share your own stories, links to other news or catch up with friends. If you haven’t tried it before, signing in to a Disqus account is free, quick, and it is easy.

New commenters should familiarise themselves with our Commenting and Moderation rules. Thank you.

 


Trouble commenting on Whaleoil? Read this first. You can receive free help. Do not email via the Contact Page.

Just email [email protected] with your concerns.  Please be polite and as precise as you can be.  Remember: this is a volunteer service provided by other Whaleoil readers.  Only contact them with commenting related problems.

 


THANK YOU for being a subscriber. Because of you Whaleoil is going from strength to strength. It is a little known fact that Whaleoil subscribers are better in bed, good looking and highly intelligent. Sometimes all at once! Please Click Here Now to subscribe to an ad-free Whaleoil.

Tagged:
  • ozbob68

    I see the astronauts on the ISS have a sense of humour, and an appreciation of the finer points of british humour.

    • rantykiwi

      I went to MrsRanty’s work Xmas do in a dressing gown and slippers carrying a towel. One of the waiters greeted me with “Good evening Arthur, there’s another hitchhiker just across the room”. Sure enough, Zaphod resplendent with two heads and three arms was wandering around in psychadelic dress carrying a battered towel. It was nice to see that good comedy is not totally lost in our society.

      • ozbob68

        LOL best party ever

        • rantykiwi

          Very close to the restaurant at the end of the universe.

  • dgrogan

    TV3 News reports Angry Andy Little does not expect to hire Cam as his new spin doctor. A little bit presumptuous of Angry Andy I thought.

    • Isherman

      I had to rewind a little with MySky to hear what he was saying, he’s got an awfully mumbling tone, maybe he should start with speech therapy or coaching, he sounds like a concrete mixer throwing up.

    • caochladh

      Probably some of the reports he pulls out of his backside have got stuck.

    • Garbageman

      Cams way to busy running the National party the msm and the country when JK is away – aint no-body got time for that fool

    • He doesn’t pass my No Dickheads rules

  • mommadog

    What a big fat waste of time. TV1 news reports the Navy ship is on its way back to port because it is running low on fuel. Great – now we will have every fishing boat and potential drug running boat coming into our waters because they have proved we as a country wont do anything about it. I didn’t like Gerry Brownlee managing the CC earthquakes on behalf of the govt. and I don’t like him in the defence role.

    • Isherman

      Listen to Smalley talking to Ron Mark today, he’s on the right track IMO, biut oh no, Rachel knows better, he gets a nice shot in on her in reply. Listen from 07.20

      http://content.radionetwork.co.nz/weekondemand/auckland/51700.mp3

      • ShoreRight

        Why does she have to adopt such a nasty almost vicious style when interviewing – extraordinary to hear her trying to play devil’s advocate and backing the government ?

        • OneTrack

          The problem is you know she doesn’t mean it. She’s too busy fellating Russel Norman.

          • [MOD] Been sitting here tossing up between deleting an offensive comment or deleting 30 days worth as a warning. Just because you use nice words that doesn’t trigger the auto-moderation doesn’t mean the comment is acceptable.

            Lift your game, or find yourself read-only.

      • colin herbertson

        gotta say i’m liking Ron Mark, him leading a post winston NZFirst,as mp for Wairarapa might even get my vote.

        • pisces8284 .

          I just got accepted as a friend by Ron on facebook. He was great as Carterton mayor, but I feel a bit of a fraud as I won’t be voting for him. Nice to read his perspective on things though

          • Watcher

            I would consider voting for them if Ron took the leadership, agreed to support National, and that old fraud categorically resigned from public life.

        • pisces8284 .

          He’s not Wairarapa MP colin, he is a list MP. Alastair Scott is Wairarapa MP

          • colin herbertson

            i know, what i mean is he needs to win a seat to be a legitimate party leader, unlike andy spittle.

      • 1951

        Oh dear, our lovely Rachel is sounding a tad bit impatient today. What a shame. If anyone wishes to send a note of support, it is so easy. Just txt to 9292 when she is on & voila, she gets your ‘love’ instantly ;)

      • Cadwallader

        I’ll never swim Cook Strait, I’ll never climb Mt Everset, I’ll never go to the moon and I’ll NEVER endure Smallbrain again!

        • Isherman

          I only heard that much because I momentarily forgot the cricket was on, which I promptly switched to on remembering. No cricket tomorrow so I might need to chuck some cd’s into the car for the drive home, otherwise I’d look silly sitting at the lights swearing away with no one else in the car.

    • colin herbertson

      i think the key point is that they were outside NZ territorial waters, it’s definataly not a good look but shooting at them might have legal ramifications.

      • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

        International waters – we have no jurisdiction.

        • Miss Mink

          Not only international waters but Antarctica is a demilitarised zone.

    • Aucky

      Does the Navy not have a tanker or supply ship that can refuel vessels at sea?

    • Dave

      Send the air force to fire a few rounds in front of them. Good target practise.

      • colin herbertson

        with what?

        • Nige.

          borrow something from Tony.

          • colin herbertson

            heard that yank from the Sea Shhepherd [forget his name] on the radio this morning saying the Aussie navy should come and sort it out for us…..stirrer

          • Nige.

            grrrrrr

      • Aucky

        What with? We don’t have any aircraft that can fire anything. Thanks Helen.

        • Bluemanning

          And ‘other’ centrist governments. Have not seen any NZ defense hardware and recruits increases lately.

    • wooted

      Defence would be a good spot for The Crusher.

    • Saggy

      What a joke momma dog. What’s the point of the navy being down there? They might as well stay home and save us all some money. I bet the sailors are furious. With the price of fuel the way it is they could’ve filled it right up.

      • Aucky

        Especially as there’s eight cents a litre off at BP today.

    • Aucky

      It’s infuriating MD. We have a navy that seems to have more Commodores and Rear Admirals than it has ships and the first time that they are called on to do what good navies do they are found to be severely lacking.

      • Dumrse

        Correct me if I’m wrong, the Navy has supplied the platform to get to the Southern Ocean and will, when directed by the government, land a boarding party. The Captains next job is to confirm the sea state is such that he can safely send a boarding party. When they go and what they do when they get will be dictated by the government. If the govt stalls in making its decision, the ship wastes fuel and so has to return home. I would respectfully suggest to you the government may be found to be “severely lacking”. That said, judging by some of the video the sea state is/was such that a boarding was not possible at that time.

        • Aucky

          You may well be right Dumrse, so why is a replacement ship not enroute to relieve ‘Wellington’ or alternatively a tanker to provide a refuel. Or do we not have the capability to provide either option? I’m not querying the ‘Wellington’ crew on their ability rather the apparent lack of preparedness of the navy for a task that any maritime nation can be called on to face at any time.

          • Dumrse

            Understood and my point is these are govt decisions not Navy. I’m sure the Navy is well prepared for any fast ball the govt chooses to toss their way.

  • Aucky

    In light of the Herald’s stand on the Paris massacres I would like to suggest a new masthead for their front page.

  • EveryWhichWayButLeft

    Candidate for the 2015 Darwin award: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11386890

    Helpful hint, always unplug the power cord before cutting it in anger [too soon?]

    • Nige.

      yeah a bit of a shock to hear about that on the radio.

      • Richard

        We all go through different phases in life, he made it to the “three phase”?

        • EveryWhichWayButLeft

          Apparently there was a little bit of resistance next door, although my information is not current…

          • Richard

            You’re terrible Muriel.

          • rantykiwi

            I’m not sure the situation can be rectified, but it can possibly be defused.

          • Mortality

            I’m finding this thread rather revolting however pun threads do tend to get me amped :D

          • Cadwallader

            Reluctantly I am still in the circuit too.

          • Mortality

            Well mortality is pleased about that…but we will all have to shuffle from this mortal coil sometime…

          • rantykiwi

            We’ll be inducted to the afterlife by Henry I guess.

          • Mortality

            I’m sure that will cause a Len Brownout.. but if we play some AC/DC notes something akin to Livewire [1975] we just might jolt ourselves in to some action…. [beat that suckerrrrrs!]

          • Garbageman

            cmon squeeze amps in there with AC/DC and we have a winner

          • Mortality

            tsk tsk…rules in pun freds…. one cannot use the same words twice and I’ve already used amp… I know I know it rips my undies…. and mort wears granny knickers.

          • Isherman

            Yeah, maybe we should just cut it here.

        • Saggy

          Ouch

        • dumbshit

          and he probably can’t hear the sound any more!

        • Nige.

          couldve just told them to turn their amp down.

    • Dave

      Full story yet to come out here, but from memory the Power outlets at camp and caravan outlets all needed to have earth leakage safety switches on several years ago. This would have saved his life.

      I also believe, Nineteen-year-old Josh Basnett one of the “occupants” of that caravan needs to accept they were idiots and causing concern to others.

      Much more to come on this I believe!

      • Odd Ball

        It’s still possible to get a fatal shock through an earth leakage circuit breaker, because the victim is still getting a shock, before it actually operates.

        • Dave

          Highly unlikely with a modern earth Leakage breaker, and still more unlikely in one so young, unless he had a dodgy ticker.

          Just tried looking up my electrical regs, but they are at home.

          This from Master Electricians Australia:

          “A safety switch detects the loss of power from the circuit, and cuts the supply of electricity in as little as 30 milliseconds – 0.03 seconds. Importantly, this response time is faster than the critical section of a heartbeat, and therefore significantly reduces the risk of death or serious injury”.

          I also note the stupidity of the repeater in the NZ Herald, and I quote…… “It was unclear how many volts the power cord carried, but it was thought to be around 240 volts”
          Um, a 240 volt cable is just that, it carries 240 Volts, it is only the current that varies on load!

      • Nige.

        depending on the legth of the cord i am told…..

    • Cowgirl

      I love how that article is padded out with irrelevant facts about the campground.

      • Isherman

        Perhaps that’s what they think makes a ‘balanced’ article?

        • Cowgirl

          More like no one would return their call lol.

    • rantykiwi

      It was unclear how many volts the power cord carried, but it was thought to be around 240 volts.

      More clueless journalism….. NZ mains supply is a nominal 230V. What other voltage is going to be in a single phase campground power supply, and anyway even three phase power is only 240V from any single phase to earth and he couldn’t have got himself across two phases cutting the cable with pliers.

      Bring on Freed and quality journalism.

    • Greg M

      Watt was he thinking? This has to generate some negative, damming, or polarising comments.

  • idbkiwi

    Oh boy, oh boy. Who went and made Mr Putin grumpy?

    Cold nights ahead in Europe:
    “Europe plunged into energy crisis as Russia cuts off gas supply via Ukraine”
    “Around 80 per cent of the gas European Union countries receive from Russia comes through Ukraine.”
    “While Germany and France are much more exposed, it is reckoned in some estimates that 15 per cent of Britain’s supplies come from Russia through pipelines into the UK’s east coast.”
    “The UK is suffering one of its coldest nights this century with temperatures plunging to as low as -10C.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1106382/Europe-plunged-energy-crisis-Russia-cuts-gas-supply-Ukraine.html

    • Aucky

      It was always going to happen. Absolutely inevitable that Putin would turn the tap off if he was backed into a corner. Europe will have to cut off home heating supplies to keep industry running. This will cause major strife.

  • caochladh

    In light of all the talk of diets, Muslims et al, I thought we should have a decent bacon sarnie…….

    • Richard

      Give yourself an uppercut for that sauce though mate.

      • caochladh

        That’s not sauce, that’s ketchup, mate.

        • Richard

          Exactly.

    • Jafarma

      I guess you wont be too interested in my dinner of rice crackers (used as a plate basically) for a topping of havarti cheese, proscuitto italian pork, cucumber, gherkin and/or red relish, which followed my lunch of cold ham, boiled egg and lettuce salad…..

      • caochladh

        Yep, I could go with that, except the boiled eggs, they and my tum don’t agree.

      • Aucky

        Sounds good Jafarma. What’s for the main course?

        • Jafarma

          A compote of fruit laced with Limonata Cheescake icecream. It was delicious. And I must confess the lunch lettuce salad was partially drowned in grandma’s mayonnaise – malt vinegar, condensed milk and mustard powder.
          All up, my plan is for no need to join the BG2 ‘club’

    • I.M Bach

      Run for PM would you please?

  • cows4me

    I heard old Gerry say the navy’s trip into the Southern ocean had been a success, I would have thought he would have finished the Christmas trifle by now.

    • mommadog

      Maybe the trifle is done but he must still be drinking the New Year booze if he believes that. I keep repeating myself but every fishing boat is going to head there knowing we cant / wont do anything about it except maybe take some photos from a distance while they keep hauling the fish in. Ten years from now when the area is devastated Gerry will look back and apologise for not doing anything when he could.

      • yossarian

        Ok, so what should they have done? Torpedoed them? Fired a shot into their engine room? Rammed them? instead of wringing your hands and laying blame all over the place, why not tell us what you with no idea of the conditions and circumstances would do to actually stop the trawlers from doing their fishing. In international waters, not NZ territory, and with apparently the approval of the country of registration for NZ to take action. Except it transpires that the actual owners are Spanish who apparently don’t give a stuff about international laws.

        • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

          Exactly! If in international waters and you board another vessel without their permission it is an act of piracy. That area is an international nightmare – rules and regs up the wazzu – and if the countries involved turn a blind eye then what can you do? Only those there at the time can make decisions about safety of boat transfers etc and if you are trying to board someone who doesnt want you on board they can make it very dangerous for the boarding crew and the boats. Not to mention if you fall in the water you have a minute or two to be recovered or your body temp drops too far due to the cold and your mates recover a body.

        • mommadog

          Yes I think we should have fired a shot as a warning when the captains refused boarding after boarding permission was given and then taken it from there. Apologise later if necessary. I understand the conditions may not have been good for a forced boarding but what is the point of a navy with weapons if they don’t use them when necessary. My point has been and still is that the fact that nothing has occurred to these ships except some photos taken that proves they were fishing illegally and perhaps a 3 or 4 year court case means every tom, dick and harry ship will be in the area and at it next. We are now an easy mark. If the Navy were not allowed to do anything then why were they sent there in the first place. They should of stayed at home.

          • yossarian

            International waters. No jurisdiction. Approval needed from the country of registration for ANY action. Frustrating when captains give two fingers to the outraged NZ government, but said government has no legal right to fire shots or undertake a “forced boarding”. Go after the spaniards who apparently own fishing boats may be the best option.

          • mommadog

            They did get approval to board from the country of registration. That wasn’t the problem. The problem was the actual captains themselves – either they didn’t get the message that approval had been given or they chose to ignore it. I’m thinking the latter and they called our bluff.

          • yossarian

            My point exactly – approval to board is not approval to fire shots at, ram, sink or do anything else (other than board). You’re right, the ships’ masters called our bluff. So it is all very well blaming Gerry Brownlee, but what did you expect him to do. Act unlawfully?

          • rantykiwi

            A quick warning shot just below the waterline should remove any confusion as to our intentions.

    • Garbageman

      his rational was they were only there to gather evidence not start a war, fair enough if that was their true agenda cant say i would want to see innocent seamen put at danger way down there

  • pisces8284 .

    Travelled 597kms in my Honda Jazz Sport and the light has just come on which means there is another 100km in the tank. Not at all bad by my reckoning

    • rantykiwi

      And the tank holds how much? I used to get that from a tank on a trip in my HSV though it was 75 litres to fill it.

      But running the racecar in a few months ago I managed about 10km from 20 litres which was quite impressive.

      • pisces8284 .

        40 litres

        • Dave

          4.7 litres per 100 km from the VW on a careful trip, sydney to Canberra and return, sitting on 110 km/h most of the time. Wife squeezed just over 1200 km out of the tank on the way up, not bad considering it was completely loaded up and driving on rough roads.

    • Honda Jizz…get it right

      • rantykiwi

        Is that related to Fossy’s gay ute?

    • I.M Bach

      I hope nobody you know saw you ;)

    • MaryLou

      Don’t worry re lads below. Jazz’s are great cars, and whilst they’re blowing their budgets on big booffy cars that chew through so much gas they get stuck between petrol stations, you’ll be sailing on past in a car that long term holds it’s value quite well!

      Maybe you can even toss them $10 as you drive past… :)

  • Disinfectant

    A Policeman doesn’t shoot a criminal as he is speeding away from a robbery. His role is to arrest.
    Same with the Navy, by boarding the fishing boat.
    Obviously too rough to get on board from the sea.
    So where was the chopper? Did they have one. They used to, or have they gone too?
    Aren’t they called Seasprites? Does anyone know?

  • Rodger T
    • Garbageman

      Couldnt be bothered listening to that clown but this link is interesting from the comments section

      http://www.thenewcrusader.com/

    • Isherman

      He’s made noises before, but always played second fiddle to Abu Hamza. Now that Hamza is out of the picture, he’s just attempting to make that vacant position his own.

    • rantykiwi

      Vous est Charlie.

  • Garbageman

    John Key attempts to appease the rabid left msm and loyal supporters

  • cows4me

    Obummer and his administration are out of control, they are bad to the bone. I see they have found a new way to shut down business the don’t approve of. They are now targeting business like ammunition suppliers, gun dealers etc by telling banks that any bank doing banking for these business will be audited and face new regulations that will make their lives a misery. Many legal business are now struggling finding banks that will do their banking. If this isn’t evil big government i don’t know what is, what Marxist scum these people are.

    • yossarian

      Do you get your news from the Gateway Pundit. If so, shame on you. Look back over Obama’s terms and you will see his administration has consistently called for tighter gun laws and – as importantly – tougher controls over so-called pay day loans that ratchet interest rates up to 30% plus in no time. That the administration is now putting pressure on through third parties should not be a surprise to anybody. On the other hand, that JP Morgan should earn $4.9 billion in one quarter while at the same time claiming that the banks are under attack should also raise an eyebrow or two.
      Edit: pay day

  • Bart67

    A while back, I posted here to let everyone know about my recent diagnosis of prostate cancer in November last year. I think it’s time for an update, as there has been some remarkable progress.

    Yesterday, I had an appointment with my oncologist, and he had the results of my last PSA test. After peaking at 68, and 8 weeks of hormone therapy, he was expecting a PSA score of about 25 to 30, That’s not what we got.

    My PSA has plummeted from 68 to 0.5! The oncologist looked me straight in the eye, said he had called the lab to confirm the result, and said that as far as my cancer was concerned, I had pretty much struck lotto!

    I have another appointment next month, and we will then know exactly how much, or how little treatment I will need from now on.

    Yesterday was bloody AWESOME!!

    • MaryLou

      Congratulations Bart67! Perfect news to begin the new year – make the absolute most of it! (although I’m sure you will, now)

    • pisces8284 .

      Wonderful news Bart! As a cancer survivor I know how you feel and just goes to show that a cancer diagnosis is not a death sentence. Drugs these days are amazing. What a great year 2015 is going to be for you

    • Wasapilot

      Great news Bart67

    • Nige.

      Thats awesome. Give me hope for a friend of mine who has recently been diagnosed with cervical cancer. Early last year a work mate of mine was not lucky enough to make it though and it has really made me look at my life a lot closer. Thanks for the update. Several people mentioned you while you were absent toward the end of last year.

    • Aucky

      Pretty much struck Lotto? You’ve just struck the biggest jackpot ever Bart!

    • Watcher

      Mate, that is the best news I have had all day…..fantastic.

    • jude

      That is fantastic news! The treatment and a few prayers from this end worked!!
      All the best for a wonderful 2015 and many years ahead:)

    • Sally

      Wow! After having a close friend go through the same process, I know what a relief that news must been for you and your family

    • 1951

      With yet reading what everyone else has written (‘cos I’ve bin workin` hard all day) can I just say…” FGS get back here, everything is waaayyy toooo serious. The whole world is going to pieces & needs sorting out. That can’t happen without some light relief. You have a job to do” ;)))

    • Canucktoo

      Just been diagnosed myself … Under active surveillance with 2nd biopsy in March – hasn’t stopped me thrashing the MTB – 65km race in Canterbury high country next weekend

      • pak

        Here’s hoping your next results are as good as Bart67’s. Good luck with it all.

    • pak

      Good for you. That is amazing. What a relief. Bet you had a big grin on your face when you left the oncologists’s office, and bet also he had a good day being able to pass on such positive results. Good luck for your next appointment – though sounds as if you have all the luck you need – better than Lotto!

      • Bart67

        I won’t lie, I hugged my partner and burst in to tears!

        • pak

          Good healthy response!

    • JAFA Gazza

      Good on you mate….wishing all the best for a definite and continued remission. Beat that bugger!

    • Dave

      Good luck and take care, my illness many years ago was a chance to change my life. The lower tax diet helped, nothing drastic, but a bit of a cutback. Again, best of luck!

  • Caprice

    Is your political viewpoint the same as your driving viewpoint? I read some posts today from another blog (crazy I know – I just followed a link).
    It got me thinking. You know how when you are driving, anyone going faster than you is a crazy hoon, and anyone how drives slower than you is an old nanna? Well..
    Anyone anyone to the right of me is Tea Party x Gengis Khan, and anyone to the left of me thinks the sun rises in the middle of wrongies posterior.

    I may call myself a righty, but truth be told, I am smack in the middle.
    How about you?

    • Cadwallader

      it is like drinking, anyone who drinks less than you is a wowser and anyone who drinks more than you is alcoholic.

    • Nige.

      i dont go for ‘right and left” labels for mysel any moref. Its a made up term BY the left so i dont like to give any of them the satisfaction that they might have influenced me. I guess they would call me right, but I believe in plenty of things that the lefties claim as their own sacrisanct.

      Sometimes i go fast and sometimes i go slow. but i do know one thing…i hate the idea of socialism and there is only one party left that comes close to my idea of good politics at this stage ACT are getting my vote next election.

      At THIS stage.

      • rantykiwi

        I’m hoping that before the next election Labour will split into a hard left party and a more centralist one. That will give National a mandate to slide to the right – I doubt they will lose votes, but hopefully it will mean NZ loses some of the welfare state bludgathon.

      • Alright

        Got my mine last time.. and now I think about it the time before that, and that, and that, and that…and …..

    • FredFrog

      Like Nige, I don’t go in for right and left. There’s very little in it between ultra right and ultra left, that it’s more like a circle.

  • Dave

    This is getting into the Spirit. Preparing for the day of Australia’s Pride, Australia Day is coming up soon and the place is bursting wit hflags, songs and such a positive feeling, its great!

    Not to be negative, but I never ever looked forward to Waitangi day (NZ’s day of shame) like this! Compare and conrast.

    • Cadwallader

      Waitangi Day is great provided you stay away from Waitangi and the msm!

      • Dave

        Its not the same though Cadwallader, there is not the hype, the celebrations, the positivness, the great community spirit. Here, the community comes alive and its celebrated all over aussie.

        • jude

          We have that positive vibe on Anzac Day:)

          • Wasapilot

            The Aussies have great ANZAC days too Jude. A game of 2 up along with several schooners is tradition over there.

            I can vouch for Australia day being a far more positive experience than waitangi day is here. Most people I know treat waitangi day as just another public holiday, but over there on Australia Day, Aussie goes off.

          • jude

            I agree. Waitangi is always ruined by protest. It does not encourage unity for all New Zealanders.
            A lot of us just end up extremely annoyed that , yet again, the event is hijacked by a few radical….oh wait!

          • ANZAC Day in Australia is something to behold, especially if you are with a veteran…I was in Sydney in 2001 with my FIL and we didn’t buy a drink or a meal all day…and he wore his medals with pride, something he won’t do in NZ…he was spat on by Tim Shadbolt and watch Goff and Clark chuck paint on his mates when he came back.

          • Dave

            We attended the Anzac Day service in Townsville last year, a city of almost 200,000 people, despite the service being near town, and plenty of car parks we couldn’t get near the place. Eventually we parked over a KM away and walked. here, the children and grand children get to wear replica medals and mostly they wear them with pride.

          • jude

            That is a horrendous experience that your FL had over here.
            I would think there would be a lot more support for him these days,The actions of Shadbolt, Clark and Goff will not be forgotten or forgiven!

        • Cadwallader

          Yes there is no grievance industry for tattooed pakeha haters in OZ.

          • Imogen B

            And there’s probably more reason to have one there.
            the indigenous people of Australia are a great deal more indigenous and have been treated worse than dogs.

          • Cadwallader

            They didn’t get the vote until 1967!

          • MaryLou

            Huh – you gt me wondering about Maori voting – turns out was quite a process, but begun very early on. Apparently only land owners were originally allowed to vote, so they set up Maori seats because Maori land was usually held in common, so very few were actually able to excercise their vote. More here:

            http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/politics/maori-and-the-vote/setting-up-seats

          • Dave

            They are treated so well now but so so many simply don’t want to move on to the modern Aussie ways. There is a high Aboriginal population here in Townsville but the Aboriginals are not as threatening or intimidating as some NZ maori (in my opinion). Sure a fair few break the law, the stats are not good, but it’s mostly property and theft crimes, assaults are not as prevalent as assaults by Maori in NZ. Again, this is an opinion, I have not checked stats to back it up.

        • Alright

          You are right Dave. Was there a few years ago on Australia Day. Couldn’t believe the outpouring of national pride.

          • 1951

            Well then if Dave is right…what can we do about it? Maybe WO & team can lead…time for change. I’m sure we could do it better if we tried.

          • Alright

            1951, its a step too far to consider. I’m sorry to say that. But NZers generally don’t have the brains to realise what they have at their feet and in their daily lives.

            That aside I have a few issues about being “patriotic.”.

          • 1951

            The Aussie/USA patriotism does seem superficial & over-the-top. Wai tangi day could do with a make-over but what can be done to improve on the negativity?

          • Alright

            ummmm?

            I suspect it is something to do with embracing all ethnicity, not just Maori or European. For example, look at the hand the Chinese had in helping establish Otago.

          • 1951

            We need to celebrate without looking at ethnicity. This family is a mix of earliest pakeha (first surviving babe born in lower Sth Island) /Chinese/Hawaian/Maori/Dutch/Brazilian/Scots, we don’t see ethnicity until someone does something dumb. We just love the individual (and it drives us all mad at times.)

          • Alright

            You are on to it 1951. The sooner we recognise we are all citizens of the place we live in the better. Sleep well.

          • Dave

            Which is what happens in Aussie. I recall my 2nd Aussie day in 1996, a knock at the door, a Greek guy from about 6 houses down the road asked if I would join his family in the park to have a street celebration over breakfast for Aussie day and finish by 11.00 am so everyone could get on with their day. We got there about 9.00 am and the park looked like a school fair, people everywhere’. Shelters and tarps rigged for shade, all eating chatting laughing, Aussie flags everywhere, kids and adults playing cricket and having fun. What a great day, we left to go to other friends about 1.00 pm. This is the kind of thing that brings Aussie communities together, and no politics or religion, just Aussie Aussie, Aussie oi oI oi !!!!!

          • Alright

            That’s a neat story.

            And I vividly remember the chants of Aussie Aussie, Aussie oi oi oi!

            Australia is a great country.

          • Dave

            I’m happy to post some pics and happenings from round Aussie, the regattas and just parties everywhere, every 3rd or 4th car has an Aussie flag, people walking round with Aussie hats and the list goes on. I have lived in a few places and visited other places on Aussie day and it’s always the same, a big happy party.

          • Alright

            Go for it! You are absolutely on the money with what you describe. My advice: don’t go to too much trouble, because your hard work will be gone tomorrow. You are a good person.

        • colin herbertson

          it’s just Sydneys brthday isn’t it?

          • Dave

            Federation, the day Aussie became Aussie instead of a British ruled penal colony!

          • colin herbertson

            first fleet arrived 26 jan 1788, federation 01 jan 1901, federation day was 2 weeks ago.

          • jcpry

            You have too many l’s in Straya.

    • MaryLou

      Yes, I’m really thinking it’s time to turn Waitangi Day into a “remembrance” half day, and people can remember the Treaty signing in whatever way they wish. Happy to acknowledge that there are uncomfortable truths about early settlement days, but all these grievances are doing no one any good.

      And I refuse to believe that a slightly longer lineage in this country confers a deeper attachment or love for this country of ours. This is my country, and my childrens country and I refuse to become a second class citizen.

      We need a new, New Zealand Day where we can celebrate what NZ represents now – there’s truly nowhere else in the world I’d rather raise my family – not even Australia, with all it’s natural “wealth”.

      (Sorry Dave!)

      • kiwihornplayer

        My problem about Waitangi Day is that I can’t remember anything about the treaty signing. It was several generations before I was born. Just another holiday.

        • MaryLou

          The remembering will be optional :) Just like going to church on Christmas

      • Dave

        Please don’t apologise to me, I’m both a kiwi and Aussie. (According to the paperwork). But I agree, high time to celebrate NZ as a nation without the brownmail etc. would love to see a positive day where kiwis celebrated for Nz and all politics and brownmail was set aside. Ps. Wonder who gets to walk JK onto Waitangi this year and if the ex mp for TTT will turn up?

        • MaryLou

          Ah well, how exactly do you remove a little old lady who is determined to keep the job? You could pick her up and move her I suppose, but would you? Really? I think she’s got the job for life – regardless of who doesn’t like it!

        • MaryLou

          Oh – and of course he’ll be there. It’s a family affair, and clearly they speak for all Maori! Funny that they’re higher profile than the Maori King…

      • Alright

        There is nothing second class about you ML!

        • MaryLou

          Thanks AR – but I want to be sure we don’t continue down this track of 2 tier citizenship – no one should be, and I reckon this is part of the strength of countries that do not allow any other culture to come in and dominate.

          And yes, I’m aware of the irony there, but… well.

    • colin herbertson

      advance australia fair also fits perfectly to the theme tune of gilligans island

    • pak

      Agree. Would love to have a New Zealand Day celebrated as the Aussies do, or the Americans with their 4th of July. Have experienced them both a number of times and they are real celebrations. Waitangi Day to me just feels like any other public holiday with a few angry people popping up on the TV news that night.

    • I.M Bach

      I enjoyed a full-on A/Day in Fremantle last Jan, it was just great from start to finish. Celebrating their special day is something the Aussies do waaay better than kiwis. Just today there was an Aborigine elder quoted in the West Australian as saying everyone should get behind it and celebrate everything that is good about Australia.

      No protests, no flag shootings, no spitting just lots of national pride and partying.

      • Dave

        There is still a handful of negativity from a few aboriginals, but it’s only a few in Canberra and thankfully the media tend to ignore them and focus on the positive. Unfortunately their kiwi cousins we nickname repeaters seem to focus on the negative.

  • Sally

    Andy is all excited. pic

    • rantykiwi

      Is that a bowel movement? Little has no chance of inducing more than that in the 75% odd of the population who are averse to his party and its policies.

    • jude

      If they are dumb enough to think” likes “equal votes, leave them to it. Their cheer squad over on TV3 will be thrilled with this bit of trivia!
      Any sign of life in Labour has to be considered good news to them:)
      What if you” friend” them, wait a month then” unfriend “on Facebook.?
      They are setting themselves up for people to have some fun with this:)

      • Wasapilot

        I like that. It could be enough to tempt me to reactivate my facebook account.

    • Garbageman

      yes comrade the movement is well under way pity its heading in the opposite direction to you, but hey as long as someone bothers to click a like button im sure the revolution must be well under way

      • Nige.

        hmmm may be time for a new take on an old saying; “actions speak louder than clicks”

    • Isherman

      Pity the Dogsbabysitter tag is taken, it would suit him rather well, shameless twit.

      • Reaper

        Catsbabysitter maybe?

    • Cowgirl

      Oh that is just sad.

    • FredFrog

      Well “movement” is an apt word. Labour is akin to a “bowel movement”

  • Alright

    What are the chances of NZ ending up in a Cricket World final if Brendon McCullum is injured?

    None. Zero. Collective team has more chance of winning Lotto.

    • Jafarma

      Our chances dived in similar circumstances down under when Martin Crowe got injured. Same again I’d say

    • Wasapilot

      I would love to see them in the final, but even with him I doubt we will make it that far. I think a team needs to be reasonably consistent to make it to the finals, and I am not seeing depth and consistancy. A good team, a lot better than in recent years, my fingers are crossed though.

      • Isherman

        Four run outs in an innings is never going to help your cause.

  • caochladh

    It looks like cousin Vladimir got out of the wrong side of the bed. With Europe and the UK freezing their whatsits off he’s wound down the gas tap through Ukraine. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1106382/Europe-plunged-energy-crisis-Russia-cuts-gas-supply-Ukraine.html

    • jude

      Is that a checkmate to Russia?
      Will sanctions need to be lifted against Russia, or is it a wait and see who blinks first?

      • caochladh

        If Vladimir played poker, I’d say he’d be pretty good at it and I think he has more cajones than the rest of the Euro Muppet’s put together.

        • rantykiwi

          With luck this might be the catalyst for the UK to secede from the EU

          • caochladh

            And close their borders to every mongrel and his dog who just wants a free ride on welfare.

      • Alright

        You could see this coming. Puttin (probably rightly) suspects the “West” has conspired to “ruin” oil prices. He is a bully who hates his sand castle being kicked.

  • kiwihornplayer

    John Hinckley:
    You might recall that John Hinckley was a seriously deranged young man who shot President Reagan in 1981. Hinckley was absolutely obsessed with movie star Jodie Foster and, in his twisted mind, loved Jodie to the point that to make himself well known to her, he attempted to assassinate President Reagan.
    There is speculation Hinckley may soon be released as having been rehabilitated. Consequently, you will appreciate the following letter from Nancy Reagan to John Hinckley. We could all learn so much from this elegant and gracious lady:

    To: John Hinckley

    From Mrs. Nancy Reagan

    My family and I wanted to drop you a short note to tell you how pleased we are with the great strides you are making in your recovery. In our country’s spirit of understanding and forgiveness, we want you to know that we bear no grudge against you for shooting Ronnie.
    We are fully aware that mental stress and pain could have driven you to such an act of desperation. We’re confident that you will soon make a complete recovery and return to your family to join the world again as a healthy and productive man.

    Best wishes,
    Nancy Reagan & Family

    P.S. – While you have been incarcerated, Barack Obama has been banging Jodie Foster like a screen door in a tornado. You might want to look into that.

    • Iva b ginn

      Love the P.S. bit !! Lol

    • Cowgirl

      Hinckley was really barking up the wrong tree with Jodie Foster.

  • jude

    A link to Mike Hosking re book sales. Oops took you to my Facebook page

    For another post maybe:)

    • Garbageman

      re-visit this one tomorrow Jude im a passionate reader and im always interested in what others are reading

      • jude

        I linked to a item that showed on my Facebook, that then showed up here, I am not too hot on the tech front, but I was encouraged to read that book sales were up! And lots of positive comments:)

      • Isherman

        So much reading, so little time is one of my problems.

  • Isherman

    I posted this a few days back and thought it might have gained a little more attention in the International Media, but the attacks in France have almost eclipsed everything in the last week.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/evidence-points-to-syria-still-working-on-a-nuclear-weapon-a-1012209.html

    • kiwihornplayer

      I managed to pick it up. I am sure Israel will be watching with interest. With current enemy stirrings they won’t let that go on for too long. One day poooofh!! and the Syrians will have to start all over again.

  • MaryLou

    Hmm interesting times ahead at WO?: (pic)

    • Dave

      Is this about Rawshark?

      • MaryLou

        Dunno. But there’s also this:

  • I.M Bach

    I was emailed this today; really annoying. Destruction of a WWII British military cemetery in Libya. Imagine the outcry is this had been a mosque.

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/RtgbvotqVFE?rel=0

    • pak

      Utter disgrace – such disrespect for the dead. Infidels desecrating a Muslim burial site would no doubt trigger WWIII!

    • Dave_1924

      To be honest while its upsetting. Its old news they have been at it for awhile.

      • I.M Bach

        Sadly I can’t say I’m surprised. It’s the first time I’d seen it though. I need to get out more.

  • MaryLou

    Food for thought on Charlie Hebdo and Lefties:

    https://ricochet.media/en/292/lost-in-translation-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-and-the-unilingual-left

    Edit spelling (again)

    • caochladh

      It sure is ML. I wish we had writers of that quality here.

  • Alright

    I may be late to this party, but we didn’t run out of ammunition. We ran out of petrol!!!!:

    “The navy ship chasing down illegal fishing boats in Antarctic waters is
    returning to Wellington because it is running low on fuel.”

    • caochladh

      That won’t happen under Wussel’s watch – the sailors will be on a diet of beans and capsicums to provide the methane to run the engine.

      • Alright

        I suspect you are expelling botty burbs in to the wind!

        But can you for a minute (without laughing out loud) believe we sent 20 per cent of our Navy into the Southern Ocean on a “Mission” and without achieving anything it had to come home because it was running out of petrol!!!!

        PS I know its actually diesel.

        • caochladh

          I know its hard to believe, but I was thinking of this U Tube clip when I read your comment………

          • MaryLou

            I love Backchat when it gets close to midnight….

          • Alright

            ML can you actually believe this? And we have a very expensive seat on the UN Security Council. My posts above actually caused Mrs AR some bladder control issues.

          • MaryLou

            I think she needs her own account!

          • Alright

            No way! She is a lot funnier than me. She upstages me most of the day already.

          • MaryLou

            So this is your man-cave?

          • Alright

            Have you been spying on me?

          • MaryLou

            :) The door was open.

          • Alright

            Now I’m concerned.

            On a more serious note don’t you think it LOL funny that our Navy is limping back to port after failing to do the business with a a couple of fishing boats?

          • MaryLou

            Again I’m conflicted AR (happens often). Yes, it was all really rather sad, but then it is international waters and we couldn’t fire on them at all any way, apparently. So what was the point of going? Now we have just shown we’re unable to stop it. I’ll be watching to see how McCully’s attempt at stopping the offloading/sale of the catch goes, but not holding my breath…

          • MaryLou

            Heh. Just had an interesting experience on todays (yesterdays) global warming post. You gave me a fright with your following comment – I grabbed a link off a website and commented on it, next thing I know the bloggers on WO! Take a look – I got myself cornered by a true believer…

            THAT gave me a fright :)

          • Alright

            Sorry ML, I have lost the thread here. Can you explain? What was my comment that upset?

          • MaryLou

            No – you didn’t upset – just coincided with with another conversation that was going on, on todays’ climate change article. Sorry, very confusing…

          • Alright

            Utterly, and totally brilliant!

    • Philonholidat

      The ship has actually been down there for quite some time now. It is also a bloody long way from Antarctica to Bluff and not a place you want to be caught short on fuel. As for firing across the bows of the ship – as other commentators want – the ships’s CO is bound by the Rules Of Engagement set by the Government. If they grow some kahunas and change the ROE then it’s game on. Until then the ship has its hands tied.

22%