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  • Richard

    Okay farmers, listen up.
    You want a sure fire way to break a drought?
    Get 12 cubic meters of firewood dropped in your driveway like I did today and right on cue, the heaviest downpour we have had in 3 months.
    I was doing the dance of the cursing tarp.

    • cows4me

      Can you send me some of your wood Richard?

      • The Accountant

        Careful there. Burning wood will stuff the climate!

      • Richard

        I can confirm, it is in fact magic wood.

    • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

      Plan a concrete pour which must have a perfect surface is also a sure fire rain dance. The amount of water depends on the amount of concrete poured and its value though.

    • Dave

      Our local drought seems to be over, last night, another 20 mm of rain in a very brief and violent storm. Kids are visiting from NZ, couldnt get over the heat and kept swimming for the first few minutes of the storm. It only lasted 20 minutes or so, dumped 20 mm of rain, wind gusts just over 100 km/h and non stop lightening. After, it was still 30 degrees.

      Another storm currently, and more every day for a week.

  • LabTested

    I’m heading back towards europe tomorrow & as luck would have it, this week a local magazine publisher is doing a print run of the Charlie Hebdo survivour edition. I’ve ordered a copy for the man cave wall.

    • ex-JAFA

      Maybe score two, and let WO auction one off for fundraising.

  • Wendy

    Well I had my first weekly BG weigh in today and Im surprised Im down
    nearly a kilo (900g), so I reckon my weight loss theory seems to be working.
    This is what Im doing:
    Egg on Vogels toast for breakfast (I need a bit of carbohydrate to get me going), as much meat as I want and heaps of veggies for lunch and dinner. I don’t worry about removing fat off my meat (bacon, chops, etc). I’m happy with olive oil for salad dressings. I have some fruit but no more than a couple of pieces a day and snack on nuts if I get a bit light headed (I don’t really get hungry), and no starchy carbs like potatoes, rice, bread etc (other than my one piece of toast).
    Yay us.

    • Reaper

      That sounds like a very sensible diet Wendy. Well done.

    • mommadog

      Well done Wendy. A great achievement in one week.

      I am finally down one kilo this morning but its taken over a week (10 days). I’m not sure if I will lose anything at the next weigh in as my exercise routine has fallen over temporarily – but if I don’t put the kilo back on I will be happy. I will get back to exercise when the antibiotics and steroids kick in for this darn chest infection and the associated cough gets under control. In the mean time I told my doctor yesterday that I was sick of being fat and the next time she sees me I will have lost several kilos so I had better stick to it now I have committed to her as well.

      My toys are a Fitbit step counter and the associated scales so it automatically graphs my weight for me when I weigh myself in the morning and calculate my percentage of body fat. It may not be totally accurate but I can see the change as its consistent on the same scale. I do eat carbs but only whole grains like brown rice and sweet potato’s. Nothing white. My plan is to stay away from as much processed foods as possible and anything with added sugar. Its easy at home but I won’t be rude and refuse it if eating out and someone has taken the time to cook a nice meal for me. I will receive gratefully and then get back to my way of eating at the next meal.

      Like you I limit to 2 pieces a day as per David Gilmore’s sugar recommendations. Finally and for me the most important step as a reformed overeater I am tuning in to portion control and only eating when hungry – not eating to fill in time, to procrastinate, because I’m stressed, because the clock says its meal time and all the other non-hungry reasons I used to stuff my face. This change has meant an end to reflux/heart burn this week. It is so nice to go days now not suffering after a meal when previously it was an almost daily occurrence. That’s an incentive to stay on this track in itself.

      • Wendy

        Itll be interesting to see whether my number keeps coming down or whether Ive just weed out 900ml. Lol.

        • Mags

          Well done. I don’t have much to loose but I’ve plateaued for the last 6 months. I’d be happy with another 5 kg’s. I read today that a gram of fat has 9 calories, a gram of protein has 4 calories and gram of carbohydrate has 4 calories.
          So I’m going to try cutting down the fats and oils to see what happens..

    • wooted

      Good one Wendy. It sounds very like the diet that was recommended to me. The only other suggestion was to cut any sugar in my tea, and to drink plenty of water, especially when exercising. I’ve been doing this for a couple of months and regularly losing just under a kilo a week. I’m told it’s better to lose it at this speed than rapidly, as it’s less like to pile on again in a hurry. And the loss sure mounts up after a while.

      • Wendy

        I forgot to mention the sugar because I don’t even think about it.
        Good to know that the loss is sustainable.

  • Cowgirl

    Someone in the UK finally has the cajones to address the Islamic issue, and no surprises, outrage from Muslims ensues. I especially liked the line about the UK government attempting to pass blame for their security failings on to the Muslim community. Because you know, security forces can just be everywhere all the time and never come across any impediments from the community over doing their surveillance work or anything. If this keeps up, and UK politicians continue to hamstring themselves, the pushback from the public is going to be immense.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/01/uk-debate-over-islam-britishness-20151206261990661.html

    • Pluto

      If Muslims are “outraged”, what should the rest of us be ?
      Is there even a word for it ?

      • Cowgirl

        Outrage doesn’t even begin to cover it for me.

      • Cadwallader

        Defiant?
        Revengeful?
        Embittered?
        Mobilised?

      • caochladh

        Incandescent rage does it for me.

  • Dave

    Whilst Granny Herald is running this, it does need highlighting.

    Guys – a quick check for Testicular cancer is worth the effort, I’m here today as a checkup found Testicular Cancer, (despite me being far too old to get it) and went from diagnosed to in hospital within 48 hours! Please, check yourself, and also educate male relatives of the symptons and how to check. Aaron Cruden is another who has overcome Testicular Cancer.

    From the Actual Report (Page 6, Final Report, Australian Firefighters’ Health Study, Summary)

    http://www.coeh.monash.org/downloads/ffreportsummary2014.pdf

    “Testicular cancer was not increased for male volunteer firefighters overall compared to the Australian population but was significantly increased for those volunteers who have attended fires compared to those who had not attended fires. It was also significantly increased for those volunteers who served for more than 20 years when compared to volunteer firefighters who served for less than 10 years (with a significant trend) and raised but not significantly so when the 20 years+ group were compared to the Australian population. There were also significantly elevated risks for some incident tertiles but there was no trend of increasing risk with increasing number or type of incidents”

    I am also personally aware there was concern amongst some of the most senior firefighting executives in Australia about Testicular Cancer in Firefighters around 2005.

    http://www.coeh.monash.org/ausfireftr.html

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cancer-cluster-led-to-16-deaths-at-fiskville-cfa-training-centre-study-finds-20150121-12ur7b.html

    • ex-JAFA

      How do we check? PLEASE – no pictures!

      • Dave

        I found the lump after noticing pain and swelling that would not go away. Best method, is a check every month as Greg says, just check sive, gentle squeeze and take note of any changes in size, shape or pain. If any of the above, repeat in 24 hours, and 48 hours or head straight to a doctor if in doubt. Ignore the stats ita a young mans issue, I can assure you I was not young when I was diagnosed with TC.

        • wooted

          Thanks for sharing that Dave.

        • jude

          It is so much better if treatment starts early. Good for you for sharing this.
          We get a lot of advertising about breast screening and other tests for females.There needs to be more for the guys.
          I would add, if there is a history of bowel cancer in the family, on either parents side, then do have ,a regular(5 yearly for husband) colonoscopy.(sp)
          Again, early diagnosis and treatment is a life saver

    • Greg M

      I remember going to a mens health meeting thing a while back where the nurse told us blokes that we need to check our spuds every six months or so.
      What a load of codswallop I thought. You tell me one bloke that doesn’t check them every six minutes…

    • Mags

      One of my buddies died from testicular cancer when we were in our 20’s. Gosh – never howled so much in my life. What a cool guy he was.

  • Nige.

    Betty swallocks answered last nights question with “because she goes to work and I don’t have to”.

    What is the best job you have ever had? (Or even what was your first job?)

    • Cadwallader

      Hanging curtains when I was 16 in a Hostel at a Girls’ High School.

      • Richard

        Haha, snap.
        When I was 17 I had a job as a cleaner at the Girls high school.
        Only job I was early to every day.

      • Chris EM

        My first job involved fixing typewriters in school classrooms. Twenty or so girls and me. They’re whispering and giggling and I’m feeling my face going red. I hated it. Even worse if the teacher wasn’t there.

        • Mark

          Know that feeling,I was once a dishwasher at a Catholic Girls Boarding School. Nope it was not as much fun as some might think LOL.

    • Isherman

      Working Thursday to Saturday nights in a reasonably popular bar when I was young and single.

    • Papillon

      Best job – volunteering for a charity. Being able to give back to those who helped me through the worst experience and toughest time of my life. Being able to support others through their journey is the most rewarding job I have ever done, and I’m not even paid.

      First job, weekend reception at a car dealership.

    • Iva b ginn

      Cleaning windows at the Nurse’s hostel, sadly it was only a part time job. That was many years ago.

      • 1951

        Ooooh, so that was you……………..?

        • Iva b ginn

          That depends on what you mean by Ooooh…..!!! Lol.
          I dated a few of the nurses that lived there, Getting close to 48 years ago and we are still friends, I’ll be visiting one when we go over to W.A. in the next week or so.

          • 1951

            Haha, saved your bacon. Our time was just 45 to 46 years ago. Our hostel was not far from Wigram Airbase so we were first call for partners to accompany them at their frequent formal occasions. As the song goes… Oh they the days my friend, we thought they’d never end…. heaps of laughs & giggles.

      • Mags

        I remember when living in nurses holster in my first year the fire alarm being set off 3 nights in a row. We all dragged ourselves out in our pj’s. Someone must have been playing tricks

        • Iva b ginn

          Wasn’t me!!! we would only do that on saterday nights???

    • dgrogan

      First job. Working in the Actuarial Dept. of a Life Insurance Company. $15.00 a week net. It was a long time ago – so long ago, the calculators were manual Burroughs machines!!!!

      • jonno1

        You had a calculator? Luxury! We had to cut off fingers knuckle by knuckle.

    • pisces8284 .

      First job – punch card operator (early computer) at the BBC. Then the cards which contained details of programmes were put through the larger computers. The room for the large computers was huge, all the info would probably fit on a USB stick nowadays. At lunchtime you could go to Broadcasting House and be in the audience watching live show being recorded

    • ex-JAFA

      First job was as the world’s worst storeman. Company A would order Product B; somehow I managed to often send Product C to Company D! Only lasted three months before I was promoted to a vacant position that had nothing to do with stock!

    • Gaynor

      My first job was sole charge of the office in a department store branch … The day I started I was given the keys to the front door (no alarms then) and the keys to the safe . I was 15 years old .

    • 1951

      First (paying)job was psych nursing at Sunnyside at the age of 17. Dropped out along with 23 out of the 28 intake with-in 2yrs, before the 3yr training was up. Life’s dropout! ;) Best job since……………being a Mum and now being my own boss, just have to work out how to hang-on to the money.

    • edee

      Customs Clerk, back in the days before computers. Loved it as it got me out of the office every day. Daily visits to one of my favourite buildings back then, the old Custom House in Customs Street with its solid wood benches, ornate ceilings and heavy brass door handles. Just lovely.

      • conwaycaptain

        Edee
        There was the Long Room on the ground floor where they signed ships crews on and off.
        2nd Floor was where I sat 1st Mates Cert and passed.

        • edee

          Yes there was and that’s where we use to go to get Bills of Lading stamped and checked against the manifest.
          Many years later I was lucky enough to get my Steering Certificate. All I had to do was take turns at the wheel for no less than 10 hours. The ship was the MV Amokura. The Capt issued me with the certificate which to this day I still have hanging on my wall.

          • edee

            I should explain further. My ex was in the merchant navy and I was lucky enough to do a trip up to Singapore as a super’ny. Spent 2 weeks up there while the ship was in drydock. It was on the way back that I got my Steering Certificate and quite proud of it to if I may say so.

          • conwaycaptain

            Edee
            When working cargo in HK at about 0200n this dolly little sampan girl would arrive and say “Signee please”
            The had to sign literally 100’s of Mate’s Receipts saying cargo was on board. HO complained they couldn’t read the signature, not surprising really. Then these Receipts were converted into Bills of lading.
            Interesting thing was that whosever held the BoL had right to the cargo.
            In the old days the BoL was issued and it was ‘sold” to the bank who used to give the shipper payment for the cargo less a %. The BOL was the sent to the HO in London for example and the 4th mate would wait in London for all the BoLs to be assembled and then catch the train down to Brixham where the Channel Pilot was dropped and rejoin the ship.
            On arrival in NZ the BoL was delivered to the Bank and then the consignee would come and pay up the value of the cargo + a % to the bank so the bank got two cuts of the cherry. The consignee would take the BoL to the shipping co and would get delivery of the cargo.

          • edee

            Wow, what a rigmarole but really interesting all the same. I suppose its all done on computer these days. They seem to have taken the ‘romance’ out of everythibg .. well almost.

    • Betty Swallocks

      First job I had was in 1969 when I left school at 16 and did a year in the RAF as an apprentice cook, which was awful and put me off working in a commercial kitchen for life.

    • Probably the current one, if you can classify it as a job.

    • Greg M

      <<< My "holiday job" flying tourists up and down the west coast for 20 odd years. My eyesight packed up so I had no choice but to give it away. I miss it a lot.

      • Disinfectant

        Should have gone to spec-savers.

    • jude

      First job was as a house maid at a local motor Inn.Lets just say, it was educational!
      My best job, I am not sure if I would classify it as a job,as such, but the happiest I have been, is as a full time Mum.
      I have absolutely no regrets taking a long break from an accounting career to be a full time Mum.I was blessed that Al’s career enabled me to do this.
      In fact, I found my skill was in demand so that i could be treasurer on creche, Kndy and School Boards:)

    • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

      Explosive technician for navy – I absolutely loved that job. Would still be doing it if I could move the job to Chch. The technical side of the job was challenging and the comradeship with others in my field (all forces) was great.

    • Watcher

      My best job lasted 25 years, tons of excitement, heaps of comraderie.
      Adrenalin and bull dust, close calls and satisfaction.
      I don’t so much miss it, as look back with fondness.

    • Dave

      For my Sins in the corporate world, I ran and Mc’d many conferences and meetings. Such a shame, they were often in wonderful locations, and although hard work, and very long hours, the leisure times made up for it, and the odd drop of alcohol helped the social side. Met so many great people. Fav conference venue, Fiji and Larnach’s castle in Dunedin!

    • wooted

      Working in a winery as a teen. And yep, I got sacked for too much sampling. Alas, a sign of things to come.

    • hookerphil

      First job, Standard Five & Six – delivering for the chemist shop around the suburbs. Can you imagine now 11-12 year olds being given various drugs etc to bike around with.

    • la la land

      A lambing beat on my horse – a 4 hour ride every 2 to 3 days with my brother. It was my first job and still the best one I have ever had.

  • Cadwallader

    Nick Smith had better have a very sharp axe to wave at the RMA in his delivery tonight.
    I don’t know why it happens every night, but I heard the Smallbrain again, and heard her say to Larry that she is due to have Little Angry on tomorrow morning for his “reaction.” Now reaction is a different word to “opinion.” Do I assume that he, like his breathy fan the Smallbrain is not capable of forming an opinion so will just dribble off in a reactive and scattered manner. Blah blah the government is wrong and corrupt, blah blah blah!
    The RMA doesn’t require amendment it requires repeal.

    • cows4me

      He’ll pop a few blood vessels, his glasses will fog up, he’ll scream injustice then he’ll start frothing at the mouth. I bet Rachel can hardly wait, finally a guest that she can relate to.

  • NZMedic

    Did anyone notice that OneNews tonight ran a story on the plight of the Japanese hostages of ISIS AFTER a story about it being cheaper to use Public Transport than to use your car!?
    Sheesh…

    • MaryLou

      Native advertising rearing it’s head on TV?? Or do Auckland Council have some free pass to get to the front of the pack regardless?

      • Papillon

        Native advertising, exactly what I thought. Thanks to WO I can spot these now.

      • Wallace Westland

        Len Browns public transport propaganda campaign has a slight flaw.
        If I factor my hourly rate into the time wasted on his bus as compared to the time I could be working and earning there is no contest.
        These people are idiots, slaves to stupidity and corrupt to the core.
        I baled an AT senior manager at a presentation he gave recently showing the plan for the Albany Highway road widening. Which unbeknown to most is actually going to be T2 bus lane.
        This git had a pic of the road with a typical traffic jam on it up on screen, so I asked him, “Where are the buses in that photo and how come Albany Senior High School got consent to build a new car park if the rest of us have to pay for a special road for buses that are not even in your picture? ”
        This muppet went on about transport strategies and a load of bollocks about following the mandate from council but when I interjected again and asked why when the evidence is against the so called mandate and is actually being driven by Len Browns personal philosophy the planers are not pushing back in the interests of the ratepayers that pay them.
        Goof ball had nothing and I walked out in disgust.

        • MaryLou

          Well done. It also has major flaws in assuming that public transport will be cheaper than running a car. 5 days a week there are all four of us in the car for at least part of the journey (different people offloaded at different places). For all of us to start taking buses twice a day would cost a fortune, and that doesn’t factor in (as you say) the lost productivity time.

          Just as concerning, I think, is as Cam says, it’s placement on the nightly news. It is a regional issue (even if the financials may end up impacting the entire country), and combining that with the joint ASB/Auckland Council native advertising in the Herald just makes me really angry!

  • Pluto

    Over last few years :
    Milford track
    Kepler
    Humpridge
    Abel Tasman
    Routeburn
    next week it’s the Heaphy track.
    An awesome adventure, fun way to meet people and great motivation to keep the kilos in check. I’ll take NZ over anywhere else thanks.

    • Nige.

      arheeem… photos please.

      …..for those of us too busy (lazy) to do it ourselves.

      • Pluto

        You mean proof ? I’m not really into photos of bush and waterfalls but if my honour is at stake I could get one of the kids to send a pic of a sign.

        • Nige.

          For enjoyment.

          • Pluto

            Here’s a starter, Te Waikoropupu Springs just out of Takaka on the way to the Abel Tasman last year

          • MaryLou

            Oh that’s nice. Time to get out of the rat race methinks…

        • Wallace Westland

          Not proof. Just share with the group. :-)

          • Pluto

            All good I’ll dig around & make sure I get some of the Heaphy

  • cows4me

    There must be some very concerned gangsters residing in local councils tonight. Their dreams of unbridled extortion evaporating in front of their eyes. This country has suffered under these thieves for way to long. For to long the RMA has supported the corrupt and down right lazy, you go Nick Smith, please ruin their new year.

    • Disinfectant

      The RMA definition of “Environment’ includes some of the following;
      “Ecosystems …… including people and communities….. Amenity values …… The social, economic …….. and cultural conditions which affect the matters stated ..”
      Andrew Little has just been reported on TV 1 as saying that he is concerned that the Environment will be affected by Nick smiths proposed reforms.
      Well he would, wouldn’t he. The people who work in councils will most likely be his voters.

      • cows4me

        Socialists like Little Andy will be beside themselves, the world as they know it is coming to an end, another way to rob hard working kiwis is slipping from their thieving fingers, hallelujah.

        • Don W

          Never underestimate the cunning of the socialist to reinvent themselves.They are like a virus that can change itself so are resistant to antibiotics which makes them hard to eliminate.

    • 1951

      Nick sounded very enthusiastic on Larry’s show. Just hope he keeps up the energy to slach&burn as much as we would like. He needs to free-up what we can&cannot do on private property for a start. Then completely leave the water resources alone in areas with high rainfull. Any needless bureaucracy has to go regardless what Agenda 21 has to say.

      • cows4me

        To damn right 1951, leftist policy like the RMA has hobbled this country. We worry about property rights in other countries, we are not doing so well ourselves.

  • Nige.

    Some soothing talent filled music to help calm you down whilst you read through the whaleoil interwebs site tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHdU5sHigYQ

    • yossarian

      Great music. Many moons ago while at college my music teacher left the room, leaving Chopin or some other dude boring us teenagers to death, and a pupil more courageous than me put Brubeck’s Take Five on to replace. Sometime later the teacher ( called Master in those days) returned unannounced, but instead of going mental he took the time to explain the music, the tempo, all the characteristics of it. Nearly 50 years ago I have never forgotten it.

  • Sally

    Freed has been issuing messages on FB and twitter the last couple of days. Sign up to learn what Freed is about.

    • MaryLou

      Have it on Twitter, but can’t find it on Facebook?

    • Wallace Westland

      I have no intention of getting either a facebook account or a twitter one so long as my backside points to the ground so if that’s the format I won’t be part of it.

      • Sally

        Ok. Just for you – hate for you to miss out.
        Freed: Not WhaleOil 2.0
        Freed: Free of press releases published as news.
        Freed: Free from wallpaper advertising.

        • And to add: nothing to do with Whaleoil. For example, I’m just an observer. Freed is a completely distinct venture with investors, shareholders and employees, none of whom are me :) Whaleoil will be Whaleoil. Freed will be Freed.

          • Cadwallader

            Will there be “Freed” tee-shirts, caps etc…?

          • No idea.

          • wooted

            Good. I’d hate to lose this.

      • Cowgirl

        I have Facebook, but there’s no way I’m going near Twitter. I think I would find all the manufactured outrage and navel-gazing exhausting.

        Just today I saw a news story about some new outrage and when the announcer said it had provoked all this comment and reaction on social media, I knew immediately that I could happily ignore it. Social media is not the real world.

      • Carl

        It’s not going to be on facebook, you can even follow WO on facebook it is just another way to follow them.

        • Wallace Westland

          Great. I lasted 2 and half seconds on FB :-)

  • Alright

    “Buying out bad loans and other poor investment decisions helped slash
    an iwi group’s Treaty of Waitangi settlement from $66 million to $16 million, an inquiry has found.

    “But the trust group in charge of the remaining money says it will not take
    its founding trustees to court to recover the money because of the cost
    and “ONGOING DAMAGE TO THE REPUTATION OF THE TRUST AND THE IWI”.

    Hey, nothing to be worried about here. What’s to worry about $50 million being flushed down the toilet.

    On second thoughts: “Hello, is that the Serious Fraud Office. Can I speak to the Director please?”

    A question: how can you cause “ongoing damage” to an already destroyed “reputation”, and who are/were the “Trustees”?

    • Jimmie

      Unfortunately there are numerous Maori Trusts up and down the country who have lost the handouts given to them.

      Then they don’t want those responsible prosecuted as the culprits are ‘whanau’ and/or the folk who are in a position to lay complaints are just as guilty.

      • Alright

        There is something seriously wrong here, like “one rule for all” not being applied.

        • Disinfectant

          If they don’t care, then why should we?

          • Alright

            …Then why have the courts bothered and some cases jailed finance company directors? I didn’t “invest” in their companies, but I partly funded the $50 million lost.

          • Disinfectant

            Because someone cared enough to make a complaint.

          • Alright

            …maybe someone like the “investigative journalist” who wrote this story?

          • Dave

            Because its another $50 mill or so in welfare their iwi and whanau have missed out on. I know for a fact that over and over maori were applying to the insulation schemes run by National, and got special funding as “other groups” were unable to assist. Thats only one small example, ther ewill be thousands more!

          • Disinfectant

            Isn’t welfare the ruination of enterprise, endeavour and personal responsibility?

          • Dave

            …. “Personal Responsibility” I see the trustees did well with that regard.

          • Don W

            The trustees fee is paid first .What happens after that is probably not their concern.

        • Jimmie

          I have dealt with a couple of these cases. How it works is a big wad of cash is dished out to say a iwi or hapu. They elect several trustees from amongst the whanau to manage the Trust.

          These trustees often have no professional governance experience, no idea of what professional fidelity is all about, and have no problem with blurring professional and private motivations when dealing with the cash.

          One case I am aware of, one trustee (the chairman) signed a whole cheque book of checks and gave it to another trustee (also with signing rights) to supposedly dish out cheques to trust beneficiaries for education grants.

          Low and behold the 2nd trustee and his missus (allegedly) decide to cash the cheques until the trust account ran dry.

          At this point the 1st trustee decides to complain to Police. However this solves nothing as the trust’s beneficiaries clan up and hold a meeting resolving that the 1st trustee’s Police complaint is no longer valid and the 2nd trustee would be dealt with the ‘iwi way’.

          This same trust also paid the several trustees around 650K in trustee fees over a couple of years.

          End result: Trust is broke, several million $$$ gone, trust beneficiaries saw very little of this.

          • OneTrack

            Time for another claim.

        • OneTrack

          Didn’t we give up on the One Law for All years idea years ago. That was rayyyssist.

    • peterwn

      And look out for another round of treaty claims in the 2020’s and 2030’s as those who blew their money ask for another handout because the original handout was no better than the equivalent of axes and blankets.

      • Imogen B

        Were the axes and blankets were put to good use, or sold off for personal gain? Just wondering.
        And in among the legitimate grievances – the Brits were a slippery lot – I wonder how much stolen land was paid for with cash or like that the iwi never saw.
        How much land was ” sold” by a person/s purporting to be but not actually being the owner?
        This is a very messy business, and one fraught with further injustice.

        • Disinfectant

          And Akaroa was sold many times to the next unsuspecting new-comer (European) who happened to come along.

      • OneTrack

        And another bunch of progressive honkies feeling so guilty for what happened in 1840 that they will pay up again. With other taxpayers money of course.

      • Bill Hanna

        It happened in the US, Alaska I believe. The second round of payouts was because the Govt hadn’t “supervised” the management of large sums of money that the recipients received

        • peterwn

          Talk about Seaward’s Frozen Asset! Seaward’s big mistake was forgetting to include a clause making the vendors (the Russians) responsible for any native claims.

    • cows4me

      That’s all right bro us cuzzies will just hit up the old government for another handout, don’t sweat it.

      • Don W

        Iwi treat settlement money they same way they treated the Moa which they eliminated within a hundred years of their arrival here. In the meantime, a rich living is had by the Iwi elite that control this money.

        • Disinfectant

          And the Europeans very nearly eliminated the fur seal.

          • Don W

            And the Europeans introduced many species that have made this Nation prosper.

          • MaryLou

            And some we’re still battling, like rats!!

          • Don W

            True . not forgetting possums and rabbits and goats and gorse and ragwort and and thistles. But the cattle and sheep and many varieties of horticulture have made this country prosperous. The immigrants didn’t get everything right as they didn’t Know better, but despite that this Nation is far better than it was pre European settlement.

          • MaryLou

            You are correct of course in your original comment, was being somewhat facetious! Not sure about whether we’ve made it better though, probably depends on point of view. From what I understand there are still a few “hold out” peoples in remote places, like the rainforests, desperately holding onto their own way of life.

            I went to Tonga once, and spent a bit of time looking at people living under tin roofs that had come off the actual house in some storm or other, and thinking how much more practical and hygenic it would really be living in a traditional hut that could be easily re-erected after each lot of heavy wind.

            I was a teenager at the time, but the image stuck with me…

            Edit spelling

          • Don W

            When you see the lines of heavy traffic on the motorways where people are crawling there way to work, day after day, that doesn’t seem to be much of a lifestyle to me.

          • MaryLou

            No it doesn’t. I’m lucky enough to be going against the traffic, but do a fair bit of driving around for work each day, and I’m always aghast at the amount of cars still sitting almost still, trying to get into the city each day, even after 9am. Not sure if those thousands of people just start late each day, or what else they can be doing, but I count my blessings it’s not me!

      • caochladh

        I think Billy Connolly sums it up perfectly here, but being Billy Connolly he does use colourful language that may not pass muster………

        • cows4me

          Down to a t .

    • Dave

      I read that, it was shocking. Worst still the repeater wasnt intelligent enough to look further to find out the truth, and keep digging, or ask them a series of direct questions. Time we were all Freed from these poor stories without follow up.

    • Saggy

      Yawn. Another one. Look you guys, most of you didn’t get rich as private investors prior to having millions to chuck around so why not get some sound financial advice. Hey you can afford it. Or horrors, put it in the bank. Even 2% on 60 mill is $1,200,000 off the top of my head.
      Numpties.

      • dgrogan

        But it’s all about the welfare trap. If you didn’t earn it in the first place it has no value. Easy come, easy go.

    • Dave

      And to add. Where is the Labour Leader, why isin’t he calling for an enquiry, and blasting ALL Maori organisations who have lost how many millions overall. Thats probably $20K per benificiary of the trust – I hope they are all happy.

      If this had have happened in a private finance or commercial firm, people would have lost their jobs, and those responsible would be going to jail.

      Why not in this case ?

      • MaryLou

        Part of the settlement conditions was that the white fulla would have absolutely no say on how they spend their own money. I’d be fine with that, if claims were full and final, but they’re not. Grrr.

        • Don W

          It seems that it is the white fulla politicians that are signing off these largeses for Iwi.

          • MaryLou

            But that’s where the involvement ends! :)

    • MaryLou

      Go on – name the Iwi!

      • Alright

        The Tuwharetoa Settlement Trust. The $66 million was “intended to provide benefits to our hapu and whanau for generations to come.”

        • MaryLou

          Oh, well, that’s Alright then!!

    • Dave

      There is a simple solution actually. As its IWI money, and as they want to save face, here is the best way forward.

      The trust gets every member, to pay it back for them. 50,000 iwi, equals $1000 each. or if only 5,000, oh dear, thats $10K each. So, mum, dad and three kids….. that could be $50K. Lets see, that would be a $10K schoolorship fund each, a few $K for health, a new heat pump, and insulation. Too bad, so sad, pride gets in the way of punishing criminal type behavior.

      I’m sure some of them can come up with a plausible reason to get an advance at Winz to repay their share of the funds.

    • I.M Bach

      I read that and thought; “what do they care, it’s not like they had to earn the money is it?”

      • Don W

        Un earned money is never respected.

  • Gaynor

    HarveySpectre ‏@HarveySpectre_ 25m25 minutes ago

    Is @Whaleoil under another DOS attack?

    Just really really busy as all us workers arrive home…

    • Dave

      was a fat german included in the twitter exchange, and hopefully that does not translate as….. Hey Whaleoil readers, is our attempt at another attack working?

    • TonyM

      I had a problem accessing this morning and the stand in site was working

  • IMPORTANT

    A person who ordered with the reference “Cec 7121 Cap” has paid, but we have no record of the order. In short, we don’t know where to send it.

    Please email [email protected] if you would like to have a cap for your money :)

  • jude

    • 1951

      Shhhh! I so enjoyed doing same with my 5yr Grandee on our kitchen tiles before he flew out to Melbourne.

    • Watcher

      I was asked on New Years day what I hoping the new year would bring.
      At my age the only obvious answer was…365 days.

  • Caprice

    I am so ashamed to admit this, especially here:
    I am not out of the closet.
    I was reading the straw hat, help me post, and it got me thinking.
    When you live in a tiny close knit community, it is much harder to say ” I support New Zealand’s most hated right wing attack blogger” and even harder to wear it with pride. The electorate is strongly blue.. But still.

    • jude

      I have had a mixed response from family.
      To be honest, I am vocal among friends and family with my support of this blog.
      Often the people who are very anti this blog have not read it.
      I was a little nervous to wear the tee shirt for the first times.
      Nobody raised an eyebrow or commented.
      Not sure if it was because I am a female and not that tall?They may have held their tongue.!
      I fully intend to wear the cap.
      Look at the rubbish that is out in MSM and this blog runs rings around the alternative news sources.

      • Wasapilot

        I have had aquantances (not friends) ridicule me when I mention information I have seen on WO, you know, “it’s a hate blog” kind of comments. When I press them for the basis of their comments, I find no evidence of them ever having looked for themselves.

        For those with any intellect, they find when they do actually have a look, they generally comment along the lines of “I didn’t agree with such n such, but I found the post about …. really good”, and they without exception enjoy the comments.

        • jude

          I have shared things on here with the girls and have posted links to articles here ,to my facebook page.
          I am more than happy to discuss with anyone why I enjoy the blog.
          There are some threads that are above my head or I don’t agree with.
          At least you don’t get abused for ignoring or disagreeing.
          It is actually a very educational blog, I like how the fellow commenters share links ,so that we can read and be better informed ourselves:)

          • Disinfectant

            What one comes to learn is that there is an enormous amount of knowledge and experience amongst those who contribute to Whale Oil Blog.

          • Watcher

            Generally with age comes wisdom..which is my polite way of saying that the General WO age demographic is probably …ahem…shall we say “senior”

          • Cadwallader

            You mean30 and above?

          • Watcher

            Yes of course Cadwallader..of course.

          • Dave

            Not always Cadwallader, I to get the same reaction that Jude describes, and advocate for WO amongst family and friends. Anyway, a few months ago I discovered my niece reade WO, and likes it, she is mid 20’s a school teacher, and lives in your neck of the woods. There is hope!

          • conwaycaptain

            Watcher
            Today I am 21 with 47 years experience!!!

          • Watcher

            Not too far behind Cap’n.

            Still going damn strong though. Working like a Trojan.

            I go through your town twice a day and look for you and your dog…I will keep an eye out and if I see you I will shout you a coffee, it is only a matter of time.

            Mind you until they finish the road works I will go the back way..bloody queues today were reasonable.

          • conwaycaptain

            Walk at 0500

          • Watcher

            Oi vey, I shoot through about 0730.

          • Watcher

            You must visit the shops from time to time, I will keep my eye out or I will post my email for a few minutes, just let me know when you have got it and I will then delete it.
            Wot say you?

          • MaryLou

            I’m counting backwards now. Still not sure what adulthood is supposed to feel like!

          • jude

            It would be interesting to know exactly the ages of commenters.
            I suspect we have quite a broad range:)

          • Watcher

            Oh yes I am sure you are right Jude. But in my limited experience, the drift to conservatism comes with maturity.

          • jude

            I would add intelligence too:)

          • Cowgirl

            I’m 40 – just turned really, but started reading and commenting back when I was 38/39 :)

          • jude

            Well I am 51 and started commenting when I was nearly 49.
            I suspect like I said there would be quite a range

          • Cowgirl

            I bet there’s loads of younger ones reading who haven’t worked up the pluck to comment :)

          • jude

            my girls have helped me with a quiz and enjoyed some music clips.
            It may be a little while before they post a comment though.
            I have discussed what I have read on here.
            They see the Facebook links :)

          • Don W

            I am 60 and have been commenting since I was 59.

          • Dave

            Hello young lady…… 57, and started commenting 4.5 years ago (approx)

          • jude

            Well good for you, you set the ball rolling !, I hope we get a few more so we can get an idea of ranges of ages:)

          • 1951

            I’ll be that soon, have been counting backwards since I peaked at 50 ;-)

          • Don W

            That is not a silly idea.

          • Cadwallader

            IQ range would be interesting too. Financial well-being could be a factor as those from the left will assume anyone who comments here will have bank balances the size of Cunner’s ego.

          • Disinfectant

            A get together of whale oil bloggers with only their blogging name on them would be interesting.

          • dgrogan

            I wish.

          • cows4me

            Scrooge McDuck’s bank balance wouldn’t match Cunnys ego.

          • Don W

            Cunny who .? ;)

          • edee

            I am a Leap Year baby, so I have a choice in deciding how old I am. ;o)

          • jude

            Our friend is a leap year baby.He would be a teenager of 13.5 !

          • Caprice

            Age, A juvenile 52. IQ at least 52, maybe more..

          • dgrogan

            63.

          • Pluto

            52 here, still think I’m 21, but then look at my 21 y.o. and nah

          • Bluemanning

            61 IQ
            Edit clarity

          • Papillon

            I’m 36, only started commenting last year.

          • jude

            I think you win the prize for being the youngest( owning up to )commenting here! No pressure on composing a graph of commenters and ages:)

          • George Costanza

            28

          • jude

            Oh good lord , you would be taking the youngest title! I might have to wait until morning in case a 21 year old puts their hand up:)

          • Papillon

            Phew, I now see I’m off the hook graph wise. A few more younger than me have owned up. Was worried I’d have to get my hubby into it. He was always better at maths than me. I used to cheat off him in calculus in high school.

          • jude

            They are getting younger and younger as the night wears on:)

          • Greg M

            51 going on 30.

          • jude

            Snap ha ha !!
            I will be the one in the photo, handbag over arm playing hop scotch :)

          • cows4me

            56, can’t remember when i started here, just part of the furniture now.

          • Watcher

            62

          • Sally

            61

          • Ford

            61 also…but only just as in a few days ago.

          • pisces8284 .

            66 – Bit nervous saying that as everyone seems to be younger!

          • LovetoTeach

            43..ETA started reading here when the MSM was getting stuck in prior to the election.

          • Wendy

            Damn, you pipped me. If 44 (just).

          • LovetoTeach

            I reach that fabulous number in March :)

          • I.M Bach

            58 (in March)

          • jude

            I elect the youngest commenter do a little graph with names on x axis and ages on y axis…

          • edee

            That lets me out then, but only just :O)

          • jude

            Papillon followed closely by Cowgirl :) They are the youngsters among us:)

          • jude

            You could give them some tips on graph layout? pie versus bar etc!!!

          • Sunshine

            The look of terror and confusion when youngies are asked to draw a graph using log graph paper is priceless.

          • jude

            I didn’t draw a graph but under general debate, today, I posted summary of results.
            In response to it being Conway captains birthday yesterday

          • Wasapilot

            54, and don’t feel a day over 87

          • MaryLou

            40. Usually :)

          • pisces8284 .

            ….

          • jude

            Excellent! I love these clips:)

          • Dairy_Flat

            60 . . . But only just.

          • hookerphil

            Hey Jude – 65 – Guess you young ones wouldn’t remember 1956 then.

          • jude

            Al has informed me that we beat South Africa in a test series and Peter Jones scored the winning try.
            “I have never been so buggered in all my life”
            Al’s dad and Grandad were there.
            Sorry for late post, watching the tennis:)

          • hookerphil

            I am surprised, thought you would know straight away that Wellington beat Canterbury 8 – 0 for the shield. Long time between successes for you. I was only 6 but can still remember it, my family were big supporters and went to every game – not me thou.
            Middle of shifting so only periodically online – at local library.

          • jude

            Ok. My husband was brought up in Hawkes Bay so the 1967 to 1969 sheild era was more important to him

          • hookerphil

            Oh dear – Canterbury ended that one. Actually first time they had won it back since 1956. Have been thrilled to see H.B. winning again after those lean years.

          • Moonroof

            44. But no-one said I had to take it seriously ;)

          • TonyM

            Uh oh it’s a low number 34 (just) going on 21 some days.

          • jude

            Ok you are the youngest.! I had Papillon on 36… Anybody out there younger than 36??

          • Betty Swallocks

            I was in 1988

          • TonyM

            Perhaps the mod could make one of those surveys tomorrow to find the readership age distribution.

          • Isherman

            Good on ya Tony, thought I was going to need to fess up to being the ‘baby’ at 40, lol.

          • EveryWhichWayButLeft

            I have to think about it nowadays and do the subtraction in my head – because I always get it wrong.

            Which makes me 42 :)

          • Jafarma

            59 and looking forward to the decade of retirement

          • la la land

            45 in actual years, 30 at heart

          • Mags

            Born in 1964. 1+9+6+4 =20 years old.

          • jude

            I saw what you did there:) Another quiz for you maybe in backchat tomorrow!

          • SlightlyStrange

            32… So far I think I’m the youngest who has commented in this conversation.

          • MaryLou

            No – found a 28 further down the list!!

            There’s another regular commenter who doesn’t appear to be here tonight, have a sneaking suspicion I know who he is, and if so, he’d be between 26 – 28…

          • Herbert Charles

            42 years old

          • 46.

          • spanishbride

            46 same as Cam

          • I was a war baby born in 43 – when my parents saw me they started fighting!

        • Curly1952

          62 years young.
          One thing I have noticed is that I have lost a fair bit of hair, whats left is grey and I have the odd wrinkle. All of this since I married 37 years ago. I remind my dearly beloved of these facts regularly!!

        • Eiselmann

          49…just ,…. still trying to get over turning 30.

      • Don W

        Stand for what you believe in. I am a long time Libertarian that grew up in a socialist family and I believed that my my views were equally as good as what they believed in. And I freely tell people who I associate with that I support Whale Oil.

      • SlightlyStrange

        I keep it very quiet among family. My parents don’t talk politics anyway, my mother works in admin at a msm office, and my MIL is very adamantly labour-greens.

        • jude

          I am open about the blog. If I hear misinformed discussion about the blog ,I am very quick to set straight :) As others have said, often people are regurgitating what the MSM are saying without actually checking for themselves.
          The more of us that question that blind acceptance of MSM rubbish, masquerading as news the better.

    • Isherman

      But then, could it be that in the close knit community that there are others harbouring exactly the same sentiments?, maybe anonymously organise a “WOBH Coming Out street party” and see who turns up, you could just be surprised.

      • Caprice

        I thought everybody Came Out on Rikki Lake. If you are going to do it, what better place than on national TV.

      • Wendy

        It would be funny trying to put names to faces

      • EveryWhichWayButLeft

        I reckon a masquerade party would be the way to go…
        Then you could choose how much of yourself you ‘reveal’

        • spanishbride

          I am very naughty as I would have a party with us all in Burka or Hijab and a pig on a spit. Later we could all get stoned ( see what I did there ) I AM joking of course except about the pig on a spit mmmmm roast pig.

    • Cadwallader

      I would find it more difficult to admitting to reading one of the left’s blogs more than once in a lifetime. I am yet to see a cap with another blog’s title emblazoned on it when I come to think of things. The political parties are not shy about tee-shirts, I have an old Libertarianz one which bears this wonderful sentiment :”There’s no government like NO government unless it is very very small!” Can’t argue with that. If Little Angry ever becomes PM will he lead a “Little Government?”

      • Mike Webber

        I also have one of those tee shirts and a cap. I often were them as I am into freedom.

        • Cadwallader

          I remember you Mike. Cheers.

      • Mark

        I am actually sitting here wearing that t-shirt,tis sadly not fit to wear out in public any longer…

        • Cadwallader

          I wonder if there are any stowed away somewhere. PC may know??

          • Mark

            I was actually wondering what his “Handle” here is just yesterday :)

    • Nige.

      Anyone who challenges me (there have only ever been one or two) when i wear my whale apparel has very very little ammunition. None in fact. They prove themselves to be uninformed and have clearly never been to the blog.

      I have experienced the other side more frequently. Big smiles and thumbs up and people mistaking me for an intelligent person who knows everything there is to know about all things nz politics.

    • Nige.

      go for a jog down the street wearing this

    • spanishbride

      You know what? We moved to a new community and everyone here knows who Cam is and they are all welcoming and friendly. Social media make you think everyone hates him but the reality is very different. Those who truly hate him are a very small vocal minority who are keyboard warriors. None of them would dare to take me on let alone Cam because they are only tough behind a keyboard or iphone :) Cam has lots of friends on the left who may not share his politics but admire his intelligence, political knowledge and guts.There are certainly plenty who fear him because of his abilities and work ethic.

      • Don W

        You and Cam have lots of support out here from us .

      • Greg M

        Just today an apartment owner here noticed me wearing my WOBH polo. His comments were supportive to say the least, turns out he has known Mr Slater Senior for years.
        There is a whole lot of support out there for what is posted here.

        • Watcher

          A little bit interesting also me old Matelot mate… I was quizzed today while having a smoke in the leper colony, about ISIS and the threat they pose.
          While I was pretty vocally putting my view, a fellow smoking traveller said …you mate are watcher… I near soiled me breechers….
          After a wee discussion it became clear that my fellow lung cancer candidate is an avid WO reader and knows all our avatars and comments.
          This tells me that we are defining ourselves, and when like minds meet we are familiar.

          • MaryLou

            That’s cool. So a personality really is as recognisable as a face.

          • Moonroof

            Kind of explains where I work. I rather doubt there are any regular posters there. The reaction when I said “that’s as silly as David Cunliffe!” to something pathetic and trivial would support it.

          • Watcher

            Yes of course, we all have great personalities here at WO

          • Greg M

            Yep, it’s a funny thing, I have met half a dozen or so commenters now, and it’s not like meeting strangers at all. Putting a face to the comments was enjoyable.

          • Watcher

            Yes and as I was tapping this comment, I could not help but think of the similarity of the fat german, twottering and trying to disguise the fact that it was him twattering…..he can’t because his “style” is so recognisable, this country is too small.
            I know you read this stuff fat boy, and you will understand when I say, the country is so small we have your number, even the useful idiots are awake to you now.
            Fisher may still ring your bell, but he is sprung also…still, do your “legal” stuff, it is of no consequence, sooner or later it’s sayonara big steps.

          • la la land

            Thats astoundain – is this person a regular commenter and engages or someone who just reads?

          • Watcher

            Just a regular reader as far as I know.
            Genuine guy who I have known for years in the leper colony.
            Spooky eh?
            This is still a wee country and it is hard to hide behind any avatar you may pick.
            Even just a little bit more interesting he knew that I was in all probability the commenter who used another “name” I never confirmed it for him, but he was right.
            Nothing sinister at all, just proves the closeness of the community.
            We all have our “style” that regular readers can recognise.

      • sheppy

        I’ve yet to meet someone that has read this blog and says they hate it. I have met the occasional person who has an opinion without visiting, and most are very interested in taking a look when I suggest they visit to find out for themselves.

    • Lux

      Everyone in my family supports this blog, they may not agree with everything that is written here, but will support the right to Free Speech.

      There is no hate here, there is debate.

      • Don W

        I may not agree with what you say but will defend your right to say it.

        • Moonroof

          And that’s why the occasional look in took on a daily life of it’s own.

      • Lux

        Edit to add.. They agree with this place, but cannot say out loud at their work place.

        That change will come very soon, I’m thinking.

        • Don W

          I guess it isn’t easy when you are working in a place where the majority of views are diametrically different from what you believe in.

  • I’d prefer not to give it any air time here. It just needs to be ignored. The legal process will sort itself out, and we are still under a voluntary blackout about that matter. It is preferred that the court is the place this plays out, not in the comments. Thanks.

    • jude

      Ok I was annoyed to read the rubbish there. I hope all goes well in the court for the Whale team.

  • Pluto

    I guess I should add the Bright Angel Trail at Grand Canyon, but definitely not recommended for you Pete, the top third of the track is like Queen Street.

    • One of the reasons I’m still 50/50 about Tongariro.

  • Isherman

    Must have had a cheap Xmas / New year..after getting the boy sorted with new school uniform and stationary etc, (does a nylon/wool school jersey need to cost $100.00?), still found a few dollars left over to donate to the cause, next month will be the T-Shirt, you know, to see if I get punched in the face…

    • Imogen B

      Isherman, take that $100 jersey back before you cut the labels off it.
      On day two of school, get IM Jnr to go to the school lost property bin and find a brand new unnamed jersey in his size? He will have several to choose from.
      Two problems sorted. He has a jersey, and there’s one fewer in the lost property for the school to bother about.

      • Isherman

        Haha, didn’t think of that, but then I’m one of those people that doesn’t look for a way to get everything for free I guess…

        • Imogen B

          Neither am I, but discovered this while searching for my son’s jersey -named- that went missing from the back of his chair on Term 1 Day 1.

          • spanishbride

            I will never forget buying my daughter the expensive roman sandals ( better quality thicker soles ) and her taking them off during P.E and putting them under her bag only to return to find under her bag an old used pair of the cheap ones in their place. At least the thief left her something to wear sigh.

          • Imogen B

            Not for one moment would I advocate dispossessing another family of their hard earned possessions: do unto others etc. but the lost prop will be bulging with items no one can be bothered retrieving from the first day of term.

      • pisces8284 .

        and some poor mother harangueing her son about losing his jersey and having to go out and buy a new one

        • Imogen B

          Nah, there will be plenty of lost ones to go around those who bother to look for them. For those who don’t bother to look for their lost property – pfft!

          • pisces8284 .

            My grandson is perpetually losing his things much to his solo mother’s consternation. She got told by another mother to go shopping in the lost property. Doesn’t sit well with me or her though

      • Sunshine

        That’s rubbish advice. I hate those kids and their parents who think it’s ok and their right to do that. It’s called stealing.

    • MaryLou

      He’ll never wear it. Kiwi boys are too “cool” for that. They’d rather freeze their bits off than admit to cold!

  • Nesher

    The Herald doesn’t have enough guts for calling this assault “terror attack” and using the “T” word for the perpetrator. Perhaps the Herald shares HAMAS’ approach that killing Jews is not a terror.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11389847

    • Watcher

      Oh Nesher…..after 6 days herald free I was tempted by you into clicking on this link……I have had a wee backslide, but I shall recover.
      I will just shoot outside and have a smoke to get over the trauma ;-)

  • letrec

    this is an good article from the UK.Monday was the coldest day of winter so far and the subsidised wind farms could only supply 1% of the power required.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/11358770/Proof-that-the-wind-industry-cannot-be-relied-upon-for-our-electricity.html

  • edee

    3 days ago I had a bit of a moan about ‘Boiled Eggs”. I was pretty convinced that the eggs I had boiled were somehow dyed to make them brown or browner judging by the mess they had made. It was suggested that a few eggsperiments (Petes word) should be done to try and get to the bottom of this ghastly eggsperience.

    This is what happened when I soaked the (dyed?) eggs in vinegar for 24 hours. Apparently what you should end up with is shell-less eggs that you can boil and eat.

    The end result 2 very disgusting soft and spongy sticky shell-less eggs which I am still convinced are dyed, what else could the brown stringy bits be? How could anyone eat those.

    • MaryLou

      Relentless pursuit of an answer, you’re demonstrating there. Can I ask what the green stuff at the bottom is??

      • edee

        That’s part of the glass MaryLou just the colour on the bottom of the glass.

    • dgrogan

      I don’t get it. Why are you worried about the shell being brown? You’re not eating the shell are you? I do know that fowls are feed carotenoids to make the yolks a darker yellow, but so what?

      Free range chooks get their carotenoids from eating greens.

      • edee

        I was concerned about the horrible brown gunk that was left in the pan and on the eggs after boiling. It really was disgusting.

        • Cadwallader

          On the subject of eggs did you know that Paul Simon’s “Mother And Child Reunion” is about a chicken omelette? I have seen the name on all day breakfast menus in USA.

          • edee

            Good song and clever name for chicken omelette

          • Cadwallader

            Logical names isn’t it!

    • Awesome work!! :)

    • Wendy

      The brown icky stuff does look suspiciously like colouring of some kind.

    • 1951

      yuk, do you still have the carton? If so, why don’t you call them and go from there. Its still looks like a natural film but soooo much of it is disturbing. Well done on the experiments.

      • edee

        No longer have carton. They have a website so will drop them a line to see if I can get to the bottom of this.

    • Garbageman

      A bit out there but possibly the membrane seeping through the softened shell, i would have thought coloring would disperse into the vinegar and not coagulate like that

    • Lux

      Are these Farmer Brown Eggs?

      • edee

        Yes they are.

  • Chris Chitens

    Ron Mark MP is starring in a new youtube video it appears. Good for a laugh.

    • dgrogan

      All class. Right up there with the Gangnam Dance.

      • Chris Chitens

        Had you already seen it?!

        • dgrogan

          No, Chris. I was referring to The Bird.

  • Wendy

    I have sea kayaked in the Abel Tasman which I much prefer to walking. One time we were there as a cyclone was coming in. We managed to get to Awaroa Lodge and got the last couple of beds before all hell broke loose. We were all evacuated the following day. Pretty cool.

  • I.M Bach

    I think this guy can kiss pretty much everything goodbye.

    • Pluto

      Bike can’t be that fast

  • Wendy

    A friend just sent me this…sunset in Auckies a few minutes ago.

    • MaryLou

      Yes, ir was beautiful. We’re not by a beach unfortunately, but the whole garden and house was bathed in a pinkish-orange. Even the weeds looked good!

      • Moonroof

        Couldn’t play with a camera, a great sunset with the Waitaks in silhouette driving home across causeway.

    • Watcher

      Unfortunately I do not know how to post pictures…..BUT IF I DID KNOW….I would have posted the most fabulous black Kaimais with a beautiful rose pink glow above.
      It was stunning.

      • Chris Chitens

        You are channeling my father right now. There is a small photo-frame icon just to the left, and below the message box you type into. Click on that.

      • ex-JAFA

        Shout me a bevvy and I’ll show you how…

  • Nige.

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    • MaryLou

      I think a couple of glitchy things were going on earlier too… tried to reply to a comment, but got a message that I couldn’t reply to a comment that wasn’t there, or something similar. Tried a second time and got a message to say I couldn’t say the same thing twice. Left it, and my comment popped up an hour later…

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