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  • willtin

    I reckon the lady who is complaining about not being able to take her 4 kids to the local swimming pool, answered her own query when she commented – Well I can’t keep an eye on all 4 kids at a beach, so why should the pool be different. (not verbatim)

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      I don’t believe it should be councils responsibility. There should just be a sign saying we don’t watch your children, and leave parenting to parents.

    • Cadwallader

      She hankers for a free baby-sitting service.

      • Euan Ross-Taylor

        Not fair. She looked like a good responsible mother with twins. She said that they all went with togs on and got turned away at the door. As the children were under 4 she would only have been in the kiddies pool with them. If they were refused into the deeper pool then the council may have a fair point, but to limit mothers, especially those with multiple births, from the paddling pool is unnecessary IMO.

        • willtin

          Where would you draw the line? 10 kids?

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            Why the need to draw a line in the first place? If she showed irresponsibility and something happened she could be prosecuted under the law. Why should council play any part in parenting? Should we also have a law as to how many under 5’s a single person can shepherd across the road?

          • willtin

            We agree. It’s all about PERSONAL responsibility. You seem to defend the lady who wants to pass her responsibility onto others, unless I’m wrong?

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            I did not get any impression that she was abdicating any responsibility. She just wanted to go to the pool with her kids. She wasn’t expecting anyone else to look after them.

        • Skydog

          I took two under 5’s to the pool today. While I was in the water talking to someone to my left, within arms reach my 2yo to my right slipped under the water. We were all in a paddling pool. My 4yo quickly alerted me. It can all happen so quickly. The pool has one adult to two preschoolers entry which I consider to be fair and reasonable.

          • willtin

            Everyone should also be aware of the symptoms of drowning. Here’s a poignant example – chilling in reality, I would like to think I could recognise this before it’s too late

            http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/how-can-we-improve-water-safety-in-nz/11062672/He-was-smiling-I-had-no-idea-he-was-drowning

          • GoingRight

            Just posted that on my Fb page. At at b’cue yesterday, paddling pool in garden lots of littles with less than my expectations of 100% supervision. Doesn’t bear thinking about

          • SlightlyStrange

            Our pool has standard rules like that too – 1 adult to 2 under-5s, 1 adult to 4 under-8’s and I think 1 adult to 6 under 12’s or something like that? I think its fair. Kids can get in trouble SO incredibly fast, a lifeguard wont always see it in time.

          • GoingRight

            replied to wrong posting!

  • Jono

    I heard John Minto on the news with his statement that it’s “inevitable that Waihopai will close”. I say keep dreaming mate.

    • mommadog

      I heard that they were protesting. Guess they didn’t have anywhere else to go for the long weekend. A strange time to be protesting spy stuff when it seems to have become more important due to a few of those inconvenient terrorist attacks that Minto and co. like to ignore because dear me, they only do it because they are downtrodden and not enough people are nice to these poor soles. (note sarcasm)

  • Cadwallader

    Why is David Farrer so wary of visiting NZ? He’s running out of continents at present.

  • RightofSingapore

    Is disgraced Auckland Mayor Len Brown still getting booed/heckled/ignored at public events etc?

    • Vlad

      I would hope so, he is truly useless.

      Today in the Herald he is blathering about rates at 2.5% or maybe 3.5% or maybe capped for x years, or maybe a special rate for transport, or maybe something else.

      His statements are meaningless wittering, and the so-called consultation over the “10 year plan” is equally meaningless and will be ignored.

      Amazing that such an unfit for purpose weak wally ended up in nominal charge of a large enterprise, where he is clearly totally out of his depth.

      • MaryLou

        I think that was 3.5% plus a choice of motorway tolls or more petrol taxes. Lucky us, we get to pick! Neither doesn’t seem to be an option.

  • Cadwallader

    Today I bought a small appliance at Noel Leeming. I was about to pay the $200 odd $$$$ when the assistant, as they always do, asked if for (I think) $35 to buy an “extended warranty.” I asked what was wrong with:
    a The product
    b The manufacturer’s warranty
    He had no idea. I asked do you not have faith in the products you sell?
    A supervisor explained that the Noel Leeming warranty offers much more “cover.” I asked what and he didn’t seem to know. I suspect that the company has an ancillary insurance division which underwrites these nebulous warranties.
    Does anybody know?

    • Murray Smith

      Never take them out. A 10% tax at best. You should be covered under the consumers guaranty act.

      • Cadwallader

        That too.

      • Skydog

        I think a product is protected under the consumer act if it fails to meet reasonable expectations even if the warranty has expired. For example I believe a good brand TV should last for 5 years. If it fails after warrant but before 5 years I would happily take it to the store wanting redress. I agree it’s a 10% tax for sure.

        • MaryLou

          Yes, warranties not much use on new stuff. Don’t know if you’d get away with sending it back at 41/2 years though. They’d say components do fail, and offer to fix it for you – at a cost!

    • MaryLou

      No, they tend to use established insurance companies – the commissions are pretty good, but at $35 you’d still have to sell a whole lot of them! But I guess somewhere like Harvey Noman you could.

      • Cadwallader

        I suspect that had I spent $1000 the cost would’ve been greater?

        • MaryLou

          Oooh, yeah…!

          • Cadwallader

            If they are toting insurance covers then they ought to have at least a basic understanding of the cover.

          • MaryLou

            Imagine trying to keep all those staff trained, even with limited turnover! I don’t think training is a top priority. But yes, officially they have an obligation to do so

    • pisces8284 .

      I bought a fridge/freezer at Harvey Norman and the salesman was quite upset that I didn’t but the extended warranty, it was even noted on my invoice that it was offered and I had refused

      • MaryLou

        That’s just a sales tactic. Supposed to make you worry, and change your mind…

        • fairymai

          I would have changed my mind, to buy the product from Harvey Norms….

          • MaryLou

            I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Harvey Norman selling warranties – it’s just a product like anything else, and you’ll find them at Telecom, vodafone and probably most other retailers of things of any value. But they do need to provide full disclosure as to what the CGA provide you with, and what protection (if any) over and above that, the warranty provides.

    • mommadog

      Just a way of making more money. Its a common practice. The stores gamble that the product is good and you will never need to use the extended warrantee you paid for. My understanding from a programme I saw on TV (wish I could remember if it was a news item or Fair Go) was that its not necessary as the Consumer Guarantee Act is good and covers what we need but people don’t understand the consumer guarantee act well and sellers are raking in money for extended warrantees people don’t need.

  • Nige.

    Chris Chitens answered last nights question with:

    “….all I collected was a detention for wagging”

    What did you get detention for at school?

    Or

    Did you wag school?

    • Cadwallader

      Together with 3 others we made a still in the science lab and managed to hide it for several weeks….then I got expelled for something completely unrelated. It was a school in Australia where still manufacturing ought to have been a core subject!

      • 1951

        Ok, own up. What did you do to get expelled?

        • Cadwallader

          Visiting a neighbouring girls’ school hostel at 2am with some of my product. The girls didn’t mind it at all and I had a certain manufacturer’s pride.

          • Orange

            Impressive work!

          • Cadwallader

            The hangovers were vicious, akin to listening to the Greenie co-leaders.

          • 1951

            Oh! why did I dare ask? Of course if you had been encouraged to attend a co-ed school, there would have been no need for this behavior to have evolved. The mind plays in mysterious ways.

          • Cadwallader

            If WO had been around then I could’ve dodged school for an education altogether! (Mind you I have had a couple of spankings here!)

          • Don W

            I can guess what product you were taking around to the girls hostel at that time of the morning eh. wink wink.

    • caochladh

      Every misdemeanor was followed by an appropriate number of strokes of the cane applied to the miscreants hands with much vigour. I had battle hardened hands by the time I left school.

    • Betty Swallocks

      Many times, but most memorably when I disappeared for a long weekend in July 1969 and hitch-hiked the 170-odd miles to London for the Stones concert in Hyde Park. I missed the Latin O-level exam, much to the surprise of my Dad, who’d already given me a hiding for disappearing off to Old Trafford the previous month to watch England and West Indies instead of going to the History exam.

      • Cadwallader

        Don’t you just love a misspent youth!

        • I.M Bach

          If you didn’t have one you haven’t really lived.

          • Cadwallader

            Mine is still in progress like a very long cricket test……

          • I.M Bach

            I’d like to think mine is too but there are days when my mortality leaps up and cries “enough!”

          • Aucky

            I hope the result is better than a draw

        • Betty Swallocks

          I’m backing it up with a misspent dotage as well!! :o)

      • Reaper

        Do you feel, in retrospect, that it did you any harm? Not the hidings, I mean, but missing the exams.

        • Betty Swallocks

          Missing the History exam did me irreparable harm I’m sure; England won the toss and batted. Geoff Boycott took until about 4:30 to get his hundred. In retrospect it would have been better to go to the exam.

      • letrec

        you might have done poorly in history and latin,but I bet you got an A in Geography

        • Betty Swallocks

          A Grade 2 as it happens. Geography was always one of the subjects I never had to work at. On the other hand I worked my butt off for maths and ended up with a Grade 8 (1-6 were passes and 7-9 fails)

          Edit; missing word

      • 1951

        Now that deserves the ‘Hero’ badge.

    • Chris EM

      I went to a private school and detentions could be handed out by the prefects for misdemeanours, so too numerous to remember. Although in the 6th form we got caught in the pub during school hours. Never got a detention, but the teacher did enquire the next day whether anyone had a hangover. :o)

      • I.M Bach

        I can remember buying boxes of six large bottles of beer from a Wellington pub in my school uniform. How bad is that?

        • Chris EM

          That’s pretty impressive. I’d almost forgotten about large bottles.

        • Mark

          I used to change out of my school uniform in the loo’s.

    • I.M Bach

      My detentions were usually for having too much fun; flour bombs down the stairwell etc, then when I moved into the real world ‘detention’ took on a whole new meaning. “Honestly, I was just having fun officer.”

    • 40something

      In 7th form, for having my jumper sleeves pushed up to my elbows.

      I’d been doing art, after that I used my double art period to go home for the afternoon.

    • Sally

      I remember getting the strap (std 2) for spelling a word wrong. Didn’t do me any good as I am still a bad speller.

      • I.M Bach

        I am currently putting together a wee tome about my life and the ‘strap’ is included. Here’s a snippet for you, sorry if it looks like a rant, it’s not intended to be.

        “….Saint Anne’s primary school in Green Street, Newtown.

        Here Sister Basil ruled one class I was in with an iron fist
        and a nasty length of leather strap. It must have been a metre long and, when administering ‘discipline’ (more like child abuse) she would demand that you hold out your hand, which you did, arm stretched to the max, wincing, trembling in fear and dreading the known outcome of her actions. Then after lifting her hand
        to her shoulder, holding the strap by one end (shaped to fit the hand) and the rest draped down her back, she would bring it over her shoulder and down with such ferocity the cracking impact on your hand hurt your ears and caused the hand to swell immediately, inducing immense pain that lasted for what seemed like hours.

        You were then expected to stop crying (like a baby) and
        continue to hold a pencil, carry on with your work and produce neat and tidy results. A bit tricky with both hands buried firmly in your armpits and so many tears welling up in your eyes that you can’t see. On one youngster she even drew blood and I can remember it being talked about for ages with that kid’s parents turning up at school, probably to lay an official complaint. I hope so.
        I can’t say I ever missed that place and was quite happy to move onto Marist Brothers in King Street.”

        True story Sally.

        • Sally

          Very believable. I lived next to a Catholic School. The biggest challenge was retrieving a ball if it went into the school grounds. The nuns were real dragons.

    • greybeard

      smoking. detention and a ‘donation’ to cancer research which showed up on the year end accounts sent to your parents.Try explaining a 5 pounds (UK pounds) donation in 1979.
      Booze – getting the sixth form girls to buy me cherry brandy and buying scrumpy cider from the local farm.
      Theres more but this blog ain’t big enough!

    • Wendy

      I was a super good girl at school and never got in trouble…when I went. My two best mates (Jason and Jason) and I used to wag something terrible…usually to go swimming.

    • 1951

      The Strap preceded detentions. Got it twice in standard 6 (Form 2) for hiding in the loos at PE time. Worse than that was being found out in by the older sister in the 3rd Form. Tittle Tat had to tell Mum too !! If I could run at the speed-of-sound I could cover the 3 blocks down to Mr. Burt’s grocery store, ask the wonderfully trustworthy ‘new immigrant Dutchman’ for a 1&3p cake of Cadbary’s caramello and charge to ‘The Account’ along side all the other 1&3p entries for a loaf of bread, then race back to the bus before the 6th Formers were let out. It was a Friday treat that went on for months before being caught.

    • Detention – yes, can’t remember what for though. Probably smoking, and a bit of argy bargy with the other local college students. Wag – yes. Swimming in the local river, but the best (worst?) one was hitch hiking up and down the NI for a couple of weeks. Looking back I put my parents through hell. Good memories though and certainly ‘character building’:).

    • Mark

      I got some for refusing to be caned.

    • Tom

      The slide on the hill is on again today, bigger meaner and better ;)

  • Richard

    Les Mills trainer dies while taking a class.
    The family ask for privacy as they are still to notify relatives.
    This is all stated in the story on Stuff, and yet Stuff runs the story along with the mans name, photo etc.
    Head scratcher ?

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/65379164/Les-Mills-trainer-Tony-Tuatoko-dies-at-gym

    • Cowgirl

      Typical journalistic ethics ie none. A bit of a head scratcher in that he’s also the 2nd to die in the last couple of years. What are they putting in the protein shakes there?

      • Richard

        Well, Phillip Mills donates to the Greens, might just be universal karma in action.

      • pisces8284 .

        Just shows it doesn’t pay to exercise

        • Cowgirl

          Exorbitant gym membership fees are hazardous to the health.

    • SlightlyStrange

      I thought the same – they even quoted someone from the gym saying they weren’t commenting as the family had asked them not to, as overseas family were still to be notified!
      On their facebook page, they didn’t name, but a large number of commenters did.

  • Michelle

    Been away and catching up with papers and found this article that was in last weekends opinion piece in our local rag but when l went to their site to get the link it was nowhere to be found so l had to search and here it is
    Not sure if it has been posted on here already as there is so much reading on here l will have to do a big catch up
    This place has more body to it than any paper so takes a bit longer to work through and l missed this place

    http://struth-his-or-yours.blogspot.co.nz/2015/01/northern-advocate-why-charlie-hebdo-got.html

    • 1951

      Thought you must have been out getting that firewood in still :). Our Postie was telling us yesterday that the Advocate gives her 50 copies to give away. If they do that for each of the rural deliveries they are being extremely generous. From that , I surmise they are having the same trouble keeping customers as The Horrid. Of course the Editor was another crim-hugging Leftie until a crim picked on his family, then oh how the attitude changed. Dear, dear me. (Good article above, will finish reading in bed when food prep is over)

      • Michelle

        still got more firewood to get once l round up the family to fill their vehicles and then get more in for us to clean up the paddocks and l have to check out the hives

        Yes l remember when the editors daughter had trouble and the wailing from the editor
        only get it to read local news, letters to the editor aren’t too bad most days and deaths, how sad is that

        • 1951

          I would love to get it so as to help keep the Postie going but it like the Horrid, has lost the plot too.

  • Rodger T

    If only we could get politicians (national and local body) as passionate and rational as Councilman Greenfield in this country.

    • 1951

      Good on him. I hope Fox replays that for all to see.

  • Saggy

    Just throwing it out there. What are your thoughts on helicopters and suppressors on DOC land?

    • arnold zeiffel

      if they are shooting pests no problems suppressors make gun recoil more manageable and allow you not to have to wear hearing protection

    • TonyM

      No helicopters in RHAs and should also be banned anywhere in the estate on weekends and public holidays. Nothing pisses you off more when hunting then being buzzed by a helicopter that then shoots up the valley you’ve walked hrs to get to.

  • I.M Bach

    What was your first car?

    A buddy and I went halves in one of these, a 1958 Ford Custom 300, known in NZ as a ‘Goldflash’. My olds were not impressed. I’ve loved American cars all my life, they’ve cost me a fortune and I don’t care.

    • Cadwallader

      A 2.3L Morris Kimberley with Hydrolastic suspension and a cranky old east-west motor. It was like a tank but did me proud for years.It had a bench seat and could easily fit 6; or 9 intimately.

      • I.M Bach

        That suspension was referred to in the trade as hydro-spastic, and with good reason.

        • Cadwallader

          You had to pump it up every few months but the ride was fine. Bloody slow car out of the blocks though.

          • I.M Bach

            For your viewing pleasure.

          • Cadwallader

            Thank you, I think?

    • caochladh

      1948 Austin 8. The wheels kept falling off.

    • Jafarma

      An HA Vauxhall Viva (after first managing to stay alive owning a motorbike)

      • Wendy

        My mother had one of those in the 70s in diarrhea brown.

        • Cowgirl

          My mother had a khaki one in the ’80s. Guess they didn’t do flash colours for that model.

    • Greg M

      I had a 1962 VW 1200. It was way cool.
      EDIT: first motorbike, brand new Yammie DT175F, that was cool too.

      • I.M Bach

        And would be today!

      • Wendy

        Me too (the VW), though mine was a 1964. Pink. It was only 6 volts and didn’t cope at all with the stereo I had fitted.

      • I.M Bach

        The first motorbike was going to be my question for tomorrow. Here’s mine. Ex MOT 650 Triumph TR6P but fitted with twin carb Bonnie head. I bored it to 686cc, ported the head, lightened the rocker gear, fitted twin 30mm Dellorto’s and built a 2-1 exhaust. Ran rings around the cops on their overladen Honda 650’s.

        I still have the jacket but it shrank in the rain.

        • Sooty

          68 650 Norton ( ex cop)

    • Chris EM

      Triumph Herald. 1247cc I think, and walnut dash, The whole front, forward of the windscreen, tilted forward to access the engine and front suspension.

      • I.M Bach

        Sexy motor cars, especially in convertible form.

        • Chris EM

          Yeah, baby!

    • Odd Ball

      My first car was a 1958 phase 3 Vanguard. It had a motor that was similar to the Massey Ferguson 24 tractor, and a crank handle for when the battery was flat.
      After that I went to motorcycles for the next decade or so, as I found it was far cheaper, faster & more convenient.

      • I.M Bach

        I bet you pulled more chicks too.

        • Mark

          I may have once not only climbed out a bedroom window,but also pushed my bike down the road quite some distance before kicking it over. ;)

      • Stuarts.burgers

        Same Motor that also appeared in Morgan Plus 4 Sports Cars.
        In the days of Sales tax and no GST those in the know understood that there no sales tax on parts for “Farm Equipment” but there was on car engine parts, so guess where you would head for a set of pistons etc for a Morgan it was not Shorters of Shortland St it was off the local Fergie dealer, the parts guys know what was happening but hey it was a sale.

    • Cowgirl

      Honda Civic hatchback, that was crashed about 6 months later.

      • I.M Bach

        Ummm, hate to ask but…who crashed it?

        • Jafarma

          It was the boyfriend of course

          • I.M Bach

            Of course, and I bet the primary reason was a lack of back seat space. He must have had a lot of groceries or something.

        • Cowgirl

          Oh, that was all my own work :)

          • I.M Bach

            It couldn’t have happened to a nicer car. I hope you weren’t hurt.

          • Cowgirl

            Bit of concussion, bang to the nose and stitches to the chin, but I got over it :)

          • Chris EM

            Hey, Civics used to be cool little cars.

          • I.M Bach

            What day was that? I must have slept in.

      • MaryLou

        Love how you put that!!

      • Lord Evans

        My first, a Honda Civic 4 door sedan, powder blue, hondamatic gears, 1983 it went like a charm. Sold it 1 year later to my neighbour for 9k (3K less than I paid) unfortunately he discovered rust 6 months later and the car was written off, he couldn’t get any insurance payout. I felt bad, but I had no inkling there was a problem. I also later owned a Honda City, great wee car! Swapped it for a Datsun Ute.

    • Genevieve

      A yellow Austin 1300. I loved that car ;)

      • EveryWhichWayButLeft

        Mine was a orangy-red 1300. Loved mine too!
        Good old land crab never let me down.

    • WeaselKiss

      A turquoise Ford Anglia, 998 cc.

      • I.M Bach

        An Angle-box? Love em.

      • I.M Bach

        I think the grille says it all. It’s almost as if the car is saying “I’ve only got 998cc but I’m going to get there anyway! Grrrrr!”

    • MaryLou

      Umm – Mitsubishi Tredia. Not a fashion statement, but it went, until it didn’t!

      • I.M Bach

        That’s deep. Mitsy’s had/have a habit of spitting cam belts before their time.

        • MaryLou

          My problem came from never having enough money to put much petrol in it. Dragged up so much rubbish from the bottom of the tank, we never could keep it running properly!

          • I.M Bach

            I’ve been a bit tight for money on many an occasion. We had a bus stop down the road though. Just as well, some of those tanks I’ve owned didn’t always run properly either. I share your pain.

    • Sally

      Morris Mini.

      • I.M Bach

        Did it look like this?

        • Sally

          Ha ha. Right colour

    • Dumrse

      My was not unlike this one.

      • I.M Bach

        Really? How cool.

    • 1951

      My own personal one was a Mitzi celeste. Unending miles with the kids inheriting it, who took it everywhere ‘cept up the side of Mt Cook. Never had to repair a thing. Forced retirement due to rust sadly. Gone now to graveyard :(

    • HSV325

      Mk 3 Zephyr.

      • I.M Bach

        Maaaate! I had a Mk III, twin Webers, Wade cam, Bedford 213 pistons, headers, would give a Charger a good run for the money.

    • jonno1

      My first car was a 1948 Ford 10, how sad is that? But at least it had a bench front seat, nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean? I called it my upright piano as they had a tendency to fall over. Next one was an EJ Holden, a real chick magnet. Nek minnit, married! Now drive a Beemer. The other day my dear wife said “You do realise this car is now older than the EJ was when we met?” Oh dear, thanks very much! Drives a bit better though.

    • InnerCityDweller

      Audi 60, 1972, (without the girl)

    • ex-JAFA

      Mark II Escort – a relatively rare 1.3 automatic. A local lad offered to swap it for his Rambler Classic, but I decided against it when I found it had no motor or transmission.

  • My God, Christchurch Council wants to forge some sort of strategic alliance with Auckland. Now there would be a case of the blind leading the blind. Two Labour stalwarts running our two biggest cities, what a disaster.

    • Disinfectant

      An alliance in Parliament is common, as the elected members are all of one parliament.
      Elected members of a Territorial Authority are constrained to Govern over a patch with very defined Boundaries. No different to a State Government in the likes of Australia.
      An alliance between Auckland and Christchurch would in all likelihood be illegal.

    • Genevieve

      Imagine it, our ‘mare’ Lianne collaborating with Auckland’s ‘mayor’ Len.
      She is also trying to make her mark by proposing that the Canterbury region could support a target population of 2 million. When considering her political affiliations, there is no guessing required as to where she may want many of those extra people to come from.
      I personally like living in Christchurch because we don’t have a large population, and wish our Council would focus on repairing the infrastructure that barely supports our present population.

    • 1951

      You have to ask yourself ‘why’. I bet it’s an all out Leftist grab-for-power so as to exert more pressure of the Government. Nick Smith better have the wear-with-all to knock these damned Councils into place.

  • sandalwood789

    Just popped over to the Stranded site.
    They’re raving about Obama’s “State of the Union” speech. Sigh…..
    Off to have a shower with bleach now…. ;)

    • caochladh

      They should have a warning screen before you enter the site that advises you may go blind.

    • Cowgirl

      The worst thing about living in Canada is about 10 US TV channels get tied up with his speech simultaneously for hours, and you can’t find ‘Jeopardy’ anywhere.

      • I.M Bach

        Where in Canada are you, we’re in Vancouver come May.

        • Cowgirl

          Calgary in Alberta. I love Vancouver.

          • I.M Bach

            We’re going through Calgary in a motorhome. Be good to have a cold one! Drink, that is.

          • Cowgirl

            Well let us know what your plans are closer to time, and we will see what we can organise :)

          • I.M Bach

            Will do C/g, we’re looking at Banff Nat Park, Kamloops, 100 Mile (something or other), just a big circle really and back to Vancouver to fly to Auckland on our way home in WA. As you say, closer to the time, be nice to meet you, your posts exude sensibility.

          • Cowgirl

            Thanks – have done a few of those things and we can probably rustle up a beer or 2 at Stampede time :)

          • Cadwallader

            If you are flying from WA to North America you are better going: Perth to Bangkok to New York to Vancouver. Then reverse it on the way home.I went to New York that way a couple of years ago. The connections were good.

          • I.M Bach

            We have a tough agenda, Got told about the backward thinking thing but dates/people/etc. All booked, belated honeymoon with 2nd wife, new lens for camera and so on, awaiting some paperwork thanks to being a dork as a teen. Should be all good though.

          • Huia

            100 mile house is the name of the town you mean, then there is 150 mile house etc. Love Canada, have family in Squamish between Whistler and Vancouver.
            We are going over for Sept, Oct and most of November. Stunning in the fall and theres plenty of animals around then too.

          • Cadwallader

            What month is “The Stampde?”

          • I.M Bach

            Haha, that would be May, when we get there!

          • Cadwallader

            Do you mean everyone will be racing to get out of town? I did enjoy “Cool Runnings” many years ago. A genuine feel-good film. (Calgary Olympics 1988?)

          • I.M Bach

            “Do you mean everyone will be racing to get out of town?” Oh hardy har, what did I ever do to you? There goes your Christmas card.

          • sandalwood789

            Calgary…. ahhhh…. nice place.

            I have good memories of running on the trail alongside the Bow river – the one that has the railway alongside it. Great seeing the trains with massive locos rumbling past.

  • Cadwallader

    I was clearing out a cupboard at my mother’s home recently and found a large jar full of swizzle sticks. For those of us who started going to the pub in the 1970s these colourful stirrers were routinely handed out with a spirit mix i.e. Brandy and Ginger ale etc. Each one advertised a particular spirit. I intend to keep them as I think they make a better collector’s item than personalized car plates. Because everyone smoked then often fold-over packets of matches were handed out also as an advertising gimmick. How times have changed…sigh.

    • I.M Bach

      I still think a drink tastes better when it’s been stirred. Swizzle sticks….amazing. Got any pics?

      • Cadwallader

        No pics as my mother still lays claim to them. Using your finger isn’t quite the same. My favourite one was “100 Pipers Scotch” with a little figure of a piper on the top of each. Bacardi had one with a “B” in a circle on the top.
        Buying a spirit mix today isn’t the same.

        • I.M Bach

          “Using your finger isn’t quite the same.” Not a popular manoeuvre with most guests, especially when applied their partner or their drinks.

          • Cadwallader

            Those of us better endowed have further options.

            By the way how hot is it in Mandurah today?

          • I.M Bach

            Haha, whatever…

            It’s a very frendly 26, a bit cloudy with a sea breeze. When it’s like this the place is heaven but when it warms up I can think only of our home in Wakefield. Frosts have their good points, not that you’d get one now in W/f but I’m sure you know what I mean. The grass underfoot crunches for different reasons in Mandurah and W/f.

          • Cadwallader

            Agree. It was 29c here today with 26c tomorrow. Perfect. The thing with winter frosts is that you get a decent cloudless day afterwards. I don’t mind any winter once the shortest day has passed, despite it being generally colder for 6 weeks or so. I like witnessing the midday shadows shorten with each passing day.

            Mandurah is now on the suburban train system. Is it popular? I think the expansion to mandurah a few years ago was great but a track into the International Air Terminal ought to have come first? imo.

          • Sooty

            I have got a sister there. She’s a kindy teacher.

  • Dumrse

    Have we seen this 1899 speech from Winston Churchill before ?

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

    Edit to add:
    Winston Churchill 1899: “Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.” Is this a true quote?
    Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/churchillislam.asp#lMb8Z6w5LZbr70bZ.99

    • caochladh

      I like this one from Winston………..

      • jonno1

        Years ago I read a biography of Robert Le Tourneau who said something similar. Essentially it was that the measure of success and indeed character is recovery time, ie not dwelling on failure but quickly moving on. I’ve tried to follow that maxim – not sure how well I’ve succeeded!

        • caochladh

          Some years ago I had a conversation about the SAS selection course with my CO who had been with that unit for many years, serving in Korea and Vietnam. He used that quote to describe the essence of what they looked for and it has stuck in my mind ever since.

        • Alright

          Labour MP Bessie Braddock to Churchill late one night:

          “Winston, you are drunk.”

          Churchill: “And you, madam, are ugly. But I shall be
          sober in the morning.”

          • I.M Bach

            I believe that same woman said “If you were my husband I’d give you poison” to which Winnie replied “and if you were my wife I’d drink it.” The guy had some great come-backs.

          • Huia

            Right up there when he was talking to Lady Astor and she said “Winston if I were married to you I would put poison in your tea”
            He replied “Nancy if I were married to you I would drink it”.

        • Zeal23

          Soichiro Honda, founder of Honda “Success can be achieved only through repeated failure and introspection. In fact, success represents 1 percent of your work which results only from the 99 percent that is called failure.
          Many people dream of success. To me success can be achieved only through repeated failure and introspection.
          Success can be achieved only through repeated failure and introspection.”

      • MAWG

        Churchill’s life was beset by failures of the highest order. The ill fated Gallipoli campaign was his idea and cost him his position as first lord of the admiralty.

        If history provides a better modern example of resiliance, it is well hidden. Great Britain has given us great leaders, but not as often as it needs. Churchill was one, Thatcher was another. We need one in the UK more than ever.

    • Cadwallader

      He died 50 years ago today. We could well do with him now.

      • Betty Swallocks

        Hm. I’m in two minds about that. On one hand, he’d be about 140 years old. On the other hand, he’d probably still talk more sense than Labour and the Greens put together.

        • Cadwallader

          Right on both counts.

      • sandalwood789

        Yes, we could.

        Geert Wilders is the closest that the West has to him now (although he leads only a party rather than a country).
        I really wish that Wilders was our PM.

      • Dumrse

        He highlighted this problem 116 years ago and it’s festered ever since. This boil needs lancing now before the rot really sets in.

  • CouchKumara

    I just got back from a walk around Tamaki drive. I was following a bogan looking type who was amberling along the footpath towards the toilet block at Okahu bay. This chap was carrying 5 empty Flame beer bottles that I guessed he recently consumed. As I came up along side him I asked if he was looking for a rubbish bin and he replied that he was and he knew there used to be some a couple of years ago. I informed him that Len Brown had them removed within the last couple of years as an experiment and that most people leave their rubbish inside the toilet blocks on the ground or on the benches. He thanked me for the information and said he would just take his bottles back to the car instead of leave them at the beach. We wished each other fare well and I kept walking…

    • I.M Bach

      Good on that person for taking their rubbish home. Excellent move. My wife and I were at the Beach Hop some years ago in Whangamata and abunch of people rocked up with a wheelbarrow full of ice and beers. All good until it got tipped over, broken glass everywhere. When they went to move off I pointed out the mess, the lack of the ‘tidy kiwi’ ethos and that heaps of kids were in town etc, so one of the group called his mates back to clean up as best they could. They just weren’t thinking but did the right thing in the end.

      Removing rubbish bins is just stupid.

    • Alright

      All very well. But in the middle of this year when he realises the size of his rubbish bins are going to be reduced by 50 per cent and the frequency of collection reduced to fortnightly he might not be so keen.

      Brown and his lot actually cut the steel rubbish rubbish bins along Tamaki Drive off at the base and took them away last year.

      I am reasonably civic minded. But I would have told him to drop his empty bottles on the ground.

  • Nige.

    i said to my 9yr old today “ahh ha! the boot is on the other foot now!”…..”huh?” was the reply I got.

    Later on she was waiting for someone to turn up so she was watching the drive. i said “a watched pot never boils”…….”huh?”

    I hope the rest of my generation are still using these sayings to pass down to the next generation.

    • johnnyB

      Good old William Shakespeare apparently was responsible for these so they do tend to last a generation or so!
      it’s Greek to me
      played fast and loose
      slept not one wink
      seen better days
      knit your brows
      have your teeth set on edge

    • Murray Smith

      My farming father always mixed things up, to make his own point.
      i.e. Never say die, till a dead horse kicks ya.

      And it can happen !

      • Alright

        My late Dad would say you can pick your friends but you can’t pick your relatives.

        That truth is proven – I would rather hang out here than with most of my blood relations…

    • Cadwallader

      The one to teach all these young ‘uns is:”Pride comes before a fall.” Obviously nobody told that one to the Greens co-leaders.

      • mommadog

        Lots of pride on show. I’m waiting to watch the fall with popcorn ready to go.

      • Huia

        I think they also need to be taught that they are responsible for their own actions.

    • I.M Bach

      Not so long ago I was with a group of school children and suggested the “grab half a dozen”. They looked at me asked “how many is that?”

      • sandalwood789

        Arrrrgh….. (facepalm).

        Children these days….. they’ll know everything about the Treaty but won’t be able to work out 40 minus 17.

        • I.M Bach

          Eggs still come in dozens…..in some places you can even still get half a dozen, it’s not ffff rocket science.

          • mommadog

            Don’t forget the bakers dozen.

        • Cadwallader

          “Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.”
          “Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.”
          The best for 2015:”Green with envy!” Doesn’t that so perfectly sum up Ms Turei this past week?

        • ex-JAFA

          They also think that “minus” and “times” are verbs. Words like “subtract” and “multiply” apparently haven’t been invented yet.

      • ex-JAFA

        I once ordered a dozen McNuggets at McDonalds. I was politely told they only did boxes of six or twelve. (This was some years ago when that was the case.)

        An adult niece remarked that it was 144 days since something had happened. When I said that was gross, she didn’t know why I was disgusted.

    • pisces8284 .

      Question for the night Nige? Quotes you have grown up with
      Would some power the giftie gie us
      To see ourselves as others see us

    • jude

      My girls loved the expression “knee high to a grasshopper” !

  • Alright

    So a whole lot of opinionated – but apparently unemployable – brats have been spat out of our multi-billion dollar education system and by indulgent parents….

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/65374722/tradies-lambast-spoiled-generation

    • Murray Smith

      Generation “screen” has hit the workforce. It’s all downhill from here.

    • sandalwood789

      “Tradesmen say young people are almost impossible to employ, with bad
      literacy, numeracy and work ethic high on the list of problems.”

      B-b-b-but what about our much-vaunted “world-leading” education system?

      How can this be? /sarc

  • Sally

    For all those on bluddergeddon.
    Miracle of daily diet jab,lose 19lb (8.6kg) in 12 months.
    Coming soon to the UK.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2924101/Miracle-daily-diet-jab-2-drug-helps-lose-19lbs-available-NHS-months.html

    • Wendy

      As a health person I love this line…

      “And it is extraordinarily safe, at least over the two to three years for which we have good evidence…”

      • Cadwallader

        Interesting, but 2-3 years is the lifetime of the typical Labour Government. Something subliminal here?

  • I.M Bach

    Ahh, the 80’s.

  • Sally

    Ladies and gentleman let me introduce you to wannabe PMs

    • I.M Bach

      I feel sick.

    • Eiselmann

      Some warning next time please….I was eating.

    • Cadwallader

      They look like a cut-price advert for Spec-savers.

    • Nige.

      Little looks like a fascinated gouhl.

    • edee

      Looks like Little forgot to put his dentures in.

  • Lord Evans

    Middle added spread. I’ve decided to embrace it with gusto. I’m not giving up my beloved Tui’s, or cream in my coffee just so my buns look tight in my Lycra / togs. Having said that I enjoy a good workout too, where the sweat is pouring off me and I’m struggling for breath. That’s living. Work hard and play hard – or, am I in denial do you think?

  • MAWG

    Today, I watched my Son play cricket, He played well, effected a good run out, but the player of the day for our team was one of 2 girls. I walked on the beach, while my daughter played in the surf wearing shorts, with her mum, while many people of both sexes enjoyed the balmy Wellington evening.

    I came home and had a lovely minestrone soup, with lots of bacon, topped off with a couple of beers.

    My point is that none of this would have been allowed in an islamic society of the sort envisaged by the likes of ISIS.

    • Alright

      It is actually very sad.

      • Cowgirl

        It must really suck to be them. So much anger and fear, hardened to brutality and unable to have even the most tame fun.

        • Cadwallader

          It is over to sufficient of them to cast off the irons of a stone-age system.

        • Nige.

          Shells of humans. Potential wasted….. on hate and anger.

    • Cadwallader

      Thanks. Your comments are always quiet and considered (and accurate!)

    • intelligentes candida diva

      Keep the tributes coming for our tiny free country to remain just that…”free” . I fear it is becoming too apathetic to the dangers of fanataical implementationof thw Q

  • armotur

    What is it about Kate Roger’s voice on TV3’s film review? I like to see the opinion but her voice is strident, even when I drop the volume sooo low.

  • armotur

    Tewharetoa trust! What a story that seems only covered by David Fisher & Sean Plunket. So much money not getting to those that need it and no one seems to care!

  • Richard

    Sadly, the two drowning victims in Gisborne are brothers and the only children.
    Thoughts are with these young chaps parents, whom my wife has previously worked for.

  • Lux

    What is going on here?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/264432/taranaki-journalist-threatened

    A Taranaki newspaper columnist says she has received threats of sexual violence from leaders in the agricultural community.

    • Sooty

      She’s weird!

  • Cadwallader

    Everybody loves a steam locomotive, but why oh why run one through the countryside in the heat and the dry of an Otago summer? The sparks seem to have set the grass/scrub on the side of the tracks alight and some poor buggers are now trying to extinguish it.

  • jude

    We have just enjoyed the movie”American Sniper”. I will buy the Dvd.
    For those Whale Oilers that enjoy a riddle,….. Refresh for photo.
    I will answer later unless we get a winner:)

    • Richard

      The letter N?

      • jude

        Well I am ashamed to say it took me a lot longer than that ! Well done:)

        • BloodyOrphan

          Google is your friend 8-)

          • jude

            My daughters throw these at me. I take a wee while:) All good fun.

          • Wasapilot

            Mr Jingles still doing well Jude?

          • jude

            He is . He is so big, It is very difficult to tell him apart from his mother! She still feeds him first thing in the morning and last thing at night.
            He doesn’t really need her, I think this is part of the weening process.
            The Mum has laid another couple of eggs which is not good.
            It is bad for her to have too many clutches.
            My daughter moves up to Palmy in another couple of weeks.
            I will be in charge of Birds:)
            I have had extensive training so should be ok:)

          • jude

            I will post a photo on General debate tomorrow. :)

          • BloodyOrphan

            I was going to answer “Heart Lung Machine” which would fit the bill as well I guess ;-)

  • jude

    Someone posted about whether we would have plastic surgery or not.
    I found this….Well I enjoyed it! I want my odometer to tell a delightful tale for those who are interested:)

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