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  • Cadwallader

    I see a “career criminal” is taking JK to court over his huge electoral win as the voters didn’t include his convict mates in the constituency.Really! Guess we’re paying for this. The lunacy never ends.

    • MAWG

      I saw that too.

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/65399542/arthur-taylor-claims-john-keys-election-as-mp-unlawful

      What planet is this guy on? The sooner we put all prisoners to work for 40 hours a week, the less time they will have for this sort of crap.

      • Don W

        He needs to be in the quarry on a hot day like to today.

        • I.M Bach

          An Australian quarry, as in days of old.

    • Jafarma

      Should be declared a vexatious litigant and the case thrown out

      • Cadwallader

        In this case, he should be declared a vexatious litigant then locked back up! The audacity of this clown is incredible but the system allows for this nonsense.

  • George

    I was having a conversation with my daughter (now in her thirties) and my young grandson (12yrs) about music. It was an interesting discussion as it covered opinions ranging through three generations of popular music. My generation listened to records (remember them? They were round with a hole in the middle and came in three sizes.) My daughter went through the cassette and CD phase and my grandson has nothing to show for what pounds out of his headphones. This got me thinking. Where has the mystique gone from one’s music collection?
    I was a Beatles fan and I still am. I recall, in the day, when there was considerably excitment generated when learning that a new Beatles album was about to be released. The anticipation was veiwed as an event. What would the jacket be like? One would go down to the local record shop and buy before release in case one missed out. Then it was official, the day of release had arrived. All two of the local radio stations gave teasers and a queue was snaking down the footpath leading to the record shop.
    Viewing the cover of “Sargent Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band” sent shivers down my spine and each track was a masterpiece.
    I wouldn’t swap those moments for any instant downloads available today. You had an emotional attachment to your record collection which appears to have sadly eluded my grandson’s generation.

    • Bart67

      This might be part of the reason why so many of todays musicians are now releasing their music on vinyl again. I need to buy a new turntable!

    • Greg M

      I still have the original cover of Beatles Abbey Rd, someone pinched the record ages ago, but I still have the cover. :-(

      • George

        An icon. The most famous pedestrian crossing in the world!

      • DrFix

        The new cover, coming to the UK soon … I hope not

    • Cowgirl

      I grew up in the days of cassettes, but enjoy LPs as well as it’s what my mum had. I have some old 45s from those days, and have procured a few records through the years because I love the sound. I have at least 3 Beatles albums and have dibs on my dad’s ones too. I also still have all my old cassettes :)

    • Dairy_Flat

      I am a vinyl geek and have a large collection including the original Beatles LPs. With a good system and a decent turntable they sound better than CD and the album covers are sometimes works of art. Download music sounds good when in lossless format but it’s not the same as having a honking big plastic disk with it’s cover.

    • Alright

      Three sizes: 78, 45 and 33.

    • jude

      We have a collection of LP’s that are treasured.The Beatles, Rolling Stones ,Supertramp,Genesis,Simon and Garfunkel to name a few.
      I have a varied collection on my Ipod to exercise to.With having the girls at home I have been exposed to Green Day, LadyGaga, Rhianna and Taylor Swift:)

    • caochladh

      I had a conversation with my son about teaching grandson the bagpipes as a musical activity. That went down like a lead balloon, as did my offer to buy him a drum kit. Some people just have no appreciation of music.

      • 1951

        One of my son’s classmates learnt the pipes but never let on to any one at school. We headed out to the other side of town for a Scottish Night, Dance& Haggis, to raise funds for something. Two pipers along and a local band, guitars and drum set. Unforgettable night. One of the pipers was my son’s classmate and he was damned good.

        • caochladh

          It is one of the harder instruments to master and play properly, so well done the classmate.

    • I.M Bach

      Saving up for the latest and greatest LP, then racing home to place it ever so delicately on the turntable was a ritual to be savoured. I always used my staic neatralising gun and carbon fibre brush before playing an album. Some of the covers, as you say, were brilliant, you could ogle them for hours.

      The only two albums that I have from back in the day are Led Zep’s remasters on vinyl, a box-set with the booklet and all and Human Instinct’s Stoned Guitar, the latter being in less than ideal condition. I sold an impressive, well kept vinyl collection to upgrade to CD’s but sometimes I kick myself for letting it all go.

    • Nige.

      i went and bought my daughter a cd today purely for the physical aspect. She was amazed that it came with a booklet with words and photos in it.

  • Nige.

    Cadwallander answered last nights question with:

    “It was a school in Australia where still manufacturing ought to have been a core subject!”

    What have you made or invented?

    • ex-JAFA

      I ain’t saying! I’ve still got a ways to go before it can be patented, and I don’t want to give the game away.

    • Cadwallader

      When I was about 22 I flatted with 3 other guys and we were determined to be squillionaires by the time we got to 30! (It was a good drinking game on a cold night.) It was in the 1970s and there was a film about a black detective called “Shaft” doing rounds. He was a big guy with an Afro hairdo as big as Jupiter! Quite a number of Maori guys copied the hair. It was something! We Pakehas could only look on with utmost envy. Sooooo, we decided to make “inflatable Maoris” which you could leave sitting around your house with the lights on to deter burglars if you went out for an evening. The idea was great but it terminated at the idea juncture. Funnily enough about 20 years later the police placed cardboard replicas of themselves in shops to deter shoplifting, so we were on the right track I suppose! Still not a squillionaire amongst us though.

      • Cadwallader

        When I think about it; inflatable Mintos would deter everyone from burglars to Islamos….

      • ShortBackwardSquare

        A few years ago the police trialled cardboard cut outs of the rear of police cars and placed them at 30km/h signs around road works. Didn’t last long but I remember it being highly effective at getting us to slow down.

      • I.M Bach

        “Funnily enough about 20 years later the police placed cardboard replicas of themselves in shops to deter shoplifting, ” I always wanted to pinch one of those for the ultimate in irony but never had the audacity. Shame really.

    • I’ve written some pretty specific software in my time, frequently creating solutions to something for the first time. I think the nicest one was creating a fax server out of a PC fax card connected to the AS/400 with a custom made cable, then asking someone to write XMODEM for the AS/400 (which is insane, if you know about the environment). AS/400 fax servers were going for $10,000+ at the time. We could deliver them for about $1000. It was two way as well – the success code of the fax was handed back to the AS/400 so people could see any problems. Typical Kiwi no8 wire approach.

      • metalnwood

        About 20 years ago my ‘nearly fortune made’ was writing some software that ended up having interest by IBM because it created an easy interface for internet applications to the AS/400. It died with a bust up I had with the guy I was working with. Nearly…

      • Lord Evans

        I worked for a company that developed a Fax Switch years ago when telephone lines cost over a grand a year. It was quite a good seller, at $600 but Telecom initially refused to Telepermit it because they were importing & selling a competitive product ( which was useless). The prototype was created in typical boffin style on a chocolate block using an early PLA. Surface mount technology was only just appearing. My job was marketing, so much of the geek stuff went over my head.

    • Lance Ralph

      To me there is little better than making something useful or else simply repairing something.

      The photo is of a knife for which I made a new handle.

      Staying for some days at a relative’s house (UK) I found a knife with a damaged handle. To make myself useful I repaired it with wood from a fallen tree branch . The branch was more or less rotten but at its heart there was beautiful ancient timber, I reckon at least 200 years old. The wood is Yew, probably the oldest growing European tree.

      Somebody asked me “why didn’t you just buy a new knife?”

      Clearly that person lacks a soul.

      • Don W

        Didn’t the English use the yew tree to make their English long bows.

        • Lance Ralph

          Spanish yew was supposed to be the best for longbows. The Mary Rose was raised about 35 years ago and on it were staves of yew reckoned to be Spanish, The dark heartwood on the inside of the bow for compression, the white sapwood on the outside for elasticity. I reckon yew to be among the most beautiful of timbers

      • Tom

        Phoaar I really like that! Re pinned in brass too.

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      My best – although not technically an invention…

      A remote control duck decoy that you can ‘drive’ to the middle of the pond, set the speed and radius and let it swim around in circles (you can put the remote control down at that point).

      It’s very very effective on a small pond, esp. when the wind is not blowing and you need a ripple maker :D

    • WeaselKiss

      Pretty much my only claim to fame (?) is I built a Gyrocopter and flew it for nearly 200 hours without so much as a scratched knuckle.
      Most of it was it was built to someone elses plans and a couple of the vital bits were bought off the shelf.

    • Greg M

      Built a 26′ Ganley yacht years ago. It was a slow old barge from day one.

      • caochladh

        My boat project was sold by the wife whilst I was overseas. Never bothered with another one.

        • Carl

          What another wife or boat?

          • caochladh

            Both actually!

    • Wallace Westland

      I’ve made a mess.

  • Cadwallader

    Fair enough. I was wondering, what is the most number of comments you’ve had for “Backchat?” It seems to routinely climb to 200+.

    • 600+

      • SVlover

        Was that during the Pants Down Brown era?

        • Dirty Politics.

    • Jafarma

      Yeah I’d noticed that. Has anyone thought of breaking it into some common themes e.g. lot of music clips get posted so how about having a ‘Music Room’?

      • Nige.

        i suspect people would still post music videos in the gen debates section.

  • SVlover

    Nice to see Cam on TV1 News tonight. Seems they can’t ignore him anymore!

    • Chris EM

      How far in was it?

    • pak

      It was nice – hadn’t realised fight is for a children’s charity. Great sledge of Nicky Hager! Is Ryder a bit thick though – couldn’t figure out what to make of his comment that he had “Never heard of him (Cam) but what I’ve heard of him he’s not well liked” … what the?

      • SVlover

        That was exactly my thought too. If he’s that thick, he might not be able to form a strategy for the fight (although his Trainer might), and Cam will have him hands down. BTW do these guys get expert assistance in their training? Hope so.

        • Chris EM

          Yes. There was a post about it from morning.

        • NoEyeDeer

          “If he is that thick, he might not be able to form a stategy for a fight” .. clearly you have not heard many post fight interviews of boxers. Most do not seem to be long on IQ.
          That said, it takes balls to get in the ring and what Ryder may lack in intelligence, he is a sportsman of some talent which will help him. Not sure what Cam gives up in age as well.
          Regardless, good luck to both contestants and kudos to both of them.

      • Tom

        He only follows the news to see what drunken muppetry he got up to the night before

        • Nige.

          / x100 rrofl

    • Nige.

      http://tvnz.co.nz/one-news/video

      from 6:10 for those who missed it.

      • Dave

        Yes, congrats to TVOne, video unavailable in my location…… However, would love to have been a fly on Little Nicky Hagar’s wall when he heard Cam’s comment about him! I hope he was squirming in his little seat.

  • ex-JAFA

    To those who think Auckland Anniversary is celebrated far beyond the city because everyone else worships it so much…

    The anniversary holiday is based on the original Auckland province’s establishment in 1853. As such, this is only the 162nd birthday of the province, not 175th as some sources claim.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auckland_Province

    • pisces8284 .

      Wellington (and provinces) anniversary last Monday wasn’t even worth a mention in the news

  • Alright

    The Cricket: brilliant!

    • Isherman

      Yep, nice to see Taylor have a decent knock, and his sportsmanship with the grounded catch that was given out was pretty decent too.

      • Jafarma

        Blotted his copybook a bit though with his tardiness resulting in the Williamson run out

        • Wasapilot

          He has run quite a few out from memory. He seems to be a selfish batsman, and his effort to run Williamson out today is something I would not expect to see in schoolboy cricket.

      • jcpry

        Decent would be the best it could be described as. To me he still looks scratchy and not that fluent. How long they can keep waiting for Guppy to come into some form has to be debated as he was plumb lbw any only a DRS breakdown saved him.

        • Isherman

          Youre right, I’ve not liked Taylors form for a while, and Im not sure that fiddling with his technique since UAE is really working either. If Guppy doesn’t find some form by the end of the Pakistan ODI’s it will be a worry.

          • sandalwood789

            I think both Guptill and Taylor should be dropped. They’ve both had more than enough chances.
            Time to get them to focus their thinking and get their discipline back in the groove.

          • Isherman

            Well, I think Latham was unlucky not to be picked anyway, so he could replace Taylor, but who would we move to the other opener slot?

          • jcpry

            Latham for Guppy IMHO. Taylor should come right and has some class. Guppy to me is a classic flat track bully. Flat deck with no movement looks like a million bucks Anything different and he struggles.

          • Aucky

            Sky TV might like to seriously consider dropping Mrs Guppy as well with her inane in-between-overs ‘interviews’. I hope to hell they are not dress rehearsals for the World Cup.

          • Dave_1924

            Drop Ross Taylor? Are you kidding? Replace him with who? the guy is the core of our batting with Williamson…..

          • hookerphil

            96 and you want to drop him??? Been a selector often?

    • McGrath

      We are playing brilliant cricket at the moment.

  • McGrath

    I have just ordered my cap and look forward to wearing it with pride!

  • jude

  • sbk

    on hacking…on ones and zeros…when it it expects a zero,,.you give it a one..and if accepts it…Basic.But how may realise it.
    it scares me.

    cause to be honest…

  • Michael

    Greece going to the polls and voting in a centre-left party that thinks that the rest of the world will give it €320 Billion in return for nothing, lower taxes, regulate lower power prices, and boost pensions and wages.

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/65397634/Greek-leftists-Syriza-aim-for-historic-election-win

    Do they also believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy? Such a policy platform is a shortcut to a Greek style financial collapse.

    • caochladh

      Yes, forget the age of Aquarius, we are now in the age of Entitlement.

    • Don W

      And the Euro central bank is going to print a trillion plus euros out of thin air.

    • sandalwood789

      Yep, I saw that.
      Despite Germany growling that they won’t help to bail Greece out, my money is on Merkel folding and doing exactly that.
      I hope I’m wrong.
      Greece *still* hasn’t learned that a country must pay its own way in the world.

      • Cadwallader

        Greece seems to have no more Euclids.

    • Cowgirl

      Britain would have to give leaving the EU some serious thought now – who’d want to stay in it when some countries refuse to do what’s in the best interests of the region? Either that or Greece gets the boot if they’re going to behave like complete wallies. I get they’ve done it tough the last few years but going back to their free-spending ways is sheer lunacy. Just look at the state of France. Who would have thought the hardships endured through WWII would be so soon forgotten.

  • david

    Did you see the curious article in the herald?http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11391676
    What is curious about it? Well the fact that a power cut in Pakistan (which happen every day) should rate a news story in New Zealand. Turns out that the reason for the story – that terrorists blew up a key substation – has been edited out.

    • pak

      I saw that story and wondered the very same thing – power cuts in Pakistan are common, as I have also found them to be in India. It just said the “grid tripped” – thanks for the info. – so strange the bit about terrorists blowing up a substation has been taken out… I wonder what is the reason for that?

      • peterwn

        It seemed to be a transmission tower they blew up and that was enough to throw a precarious grid system out of balance. Even USA has that type of problem. Design features of the NZ grid were simplistic up to the late 1960’s and following some major grid trippings, more sophisticated substation layouts and protection systems (like fuses or MCB’s but much more sophisticated) were adopted and various procedures tightened up, eg separate keys for switch handles in substations instead of a common key.

        • pak

          Thanks for those details. Reported that 80% of the country hit and has been blamed on rebels. That is major. Still don’t understand if that correct why the reference to them was edited out as David mentions in first post.

    • jude

      Was it “Key” that triggered a story?

  • pak

    I see Isis have just published a list of punishments for flouting Sharia law. Amongst which – those who steal “as part of banditry” will have their right hand and left leg cut off and the punishment for terrorising people is exile – do they not see the irony in that? Will they be exiling themselves? These people are utterly barbaric and ignorant. This week of course they murdered a group of teenagers for watching football, and have now killed 3 of at least 15 pigeon breeders in Iraq after deciding it is against Islam to keep birds. Isis don’t belong in the human race.

    • Cowgirl

      They should cut off their own hands and legs since they also steal – land, homes, wives, children, lives and oxygen.

      It’s totally bizarre that such severe punishments should exist for minor transgressions, but terrorism only warrants exile.

      • pak

        I think they operate so far outside anything we would understand as civilised behaviour that trying to apply any sense of rationale to their actions is a lost cause!

    • I.M Bach

      You said a whole lot in that last sentence.

  • sandalwood789

    A big shout-out to all Aussies for tomorrow – Australia Day!
    Have a good one, mates…… :)

    • Nige.

      Heres some aussie humor

      • sandalwood789

        Classic!

        Here’s an oldie that I’m sure most Aussies will appreciate –
        “The Newcastle Song” –

        • SVlover

          Yes! That was my era in OZ. Love it.

          • sandalwood789

            Yep, it’s great….. :)

        • Dave

          Classic, can remember it well.

      • Huia

        That’s great, we have it on the ipod and play it when we are going away with our caravan and no we don’t have matching terry toweling dressing gowns.

    • I.M Bach

      Thanks s.w, looking forward to it. Kicking back, bbq, all positive vibes.

      • sandalwood789

        Fair enough….. :)

  • Nige.

    We all go off the rails sometimes. Stay focused and turn a negative into a positive!

  • Dave

    Oh the irony……

    Hint …….. Read the green sign!

  • Murray Smith

    Sunday reporters are short of news worthy stories, obviously.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/65399542/arthur-taylor-claims-john-keys-election-as-mp-unlawful

    Or they are retarded ?

    I think option two !

  • sbk

    re my earlier coment….it might help….that ones and zeos can take out .the whole infrastructure of a nation…shut it down,

    Before high level languages …there was macnine code..

    Discussion anyone? Answers?.

    • Saggy

      Stick to ones and zeros.

    • Yeahright

      What happens when it’s a Quantum computer and does the ones and zeros at the same time?

    • BloodyOrphan

      Not sure what you’re asking to be honest, that’s why encryption exists and data validation CRC and many other algorithms etc etc.

      PS: There’s a recent article on the SF magazine website, about how Quantum CPU’s will be using base 16 switching, not binary …

  • Reaper

    Hmmm, Mana News reports that we are in fact in the middle of an economic failure of rockstar proportions.

    “Yesterday the Herald published another article we live in a rock star economy despite increasing poverty a housing crisis and government debt exceeding $60 Billion. The media has a responsibility to tell its readers the truth about the economy not pretend it is better than ever while kiwi families struggle. Of course you run the risk of talking the economy into a recession but the reality is we are in a recession no economic policy has improved our standard of living since 2008.”

    Apparently the solutions are really simple and include “raising unemployment benefits and accept it’s not the unemployed’s fault there aren’t enough jobs that is the government’s failure”, etc. etc.

    Good grief.

    http://mananews.co.nz/wp/?p=1469

    • Dave

      The Author, is as entrenched in the Labour / Union movement as Mr Angry Andy Little. I quote.

      1) Well, that worked well – NOT.

      “Their prescription for the next 3 years is for more of the same” says Joe Trinder, Mana Candidate for Manukau East, who will speak at the rally.”
      http://livenews.co.nz/2014/08/28/national-not-our-future-marches-across-new-zealand/

      2) This is why Mr Joe Trinder and the movement he is a member of really needs to be shut down, it has to be the most spiteful hate page i have ever visited. Warning – exceptionally bad language.

      https://www.facebook.com/ManaMovement/posts/767912686628811

      My one hope, in response to the Mana News Articles, and their wish list, the government replies. We have costed all your wishes, and we can achieve what you want, but in return some cost cutting will be needed. As such, there will be:

      1) NO, Zero, Zip special payments, allowances to any maori group, committee, sporting, cultural or educational group, you may wait in line with every other Kiwi

      2) No more treaty settlements, the party is over, you came, you mostly blew the funds anyway, tough.

      Yes, net result, more whinging, same subject, until Mana / Maori stop blaming the white fellas, nothing will ever change, no matter how much they are given.

    • Cowgirl

      So many grammatical errors, so little time. I can’t take anyone involved in politics seriously if they can’t even write coherently.

  • I.M Bach

    Had a great day out with Mrs Bach, walked a couple tracks in the Serpentine National Park (WA), snapped the Perth CBD from about 60k away (still too close for comfort really), managed a cold beer in a tiny town, watched the world go by for half an hour, came home, prepared for a BBQ’d steak and a glass of tawny port to wash it down.

    While I have no desire to grow old here some days are pretty darned good.

    • Iva b ginn

      Lovely spot there by the falls,A nice class of Gralyns estate unoaked cabernet goes down a treat aswell. We’ll be heading over to W.A. for my son’s wedding at the end of the month,then down to Margaret river for some wine.

      • I.M Bach

        MR is a nice wee town, we have a timeshare in Dunsborough but it’s hard getting the time away. Check out the Berry Farm, lots of nice morsels in there, yummy liquers etc. Enjoy yourself ;)

        • Iva b ginn

          We did a tour of some vine yards around the area in 2003 only did about 8/10 places that was about all we could handle. I think there were 170 odd all up the odds of getting around them all would take weeks!!

          • I.M Bach

            While I’m not much of a wine drinker I do enjoy the surroundings that so many wineries offer, both here and in NZ. You’d need a fair old slice of time to get around 170 of them! Still, no hurry eh?

        • 1951

          I popped into the Berry Farm when I was over at the end of Nov. I wanted to see how well their avocadoes did compared to Northland. They seemed to suffer much the same problems as ours but huge quarantine signs had me concerned. I asked in that shop with the liquers, as to the reason for the signs…she leaned across the counter, dropped her voice “because they walk all over the damn place and we’re scared that one will get chewed up by the mulcher or sprayed with paramite” Her raised eyebrow was honing on several Asian tourists behind me that filled the shop.
          Yep, nice goodies, nice people.

          • Iva b ginn

            Sharwil” Gissy supreme” Best avocados you,ll ever taste

      • Cadwallader

        I am partial to the occasional Mt Barker red. Not fussed on MR whites when I have so much to choose from in NZ.

        • Iva b ginn

          I find most Australian whites are on the dry side.

  • Isherman

    I see the Cam hating and calls to shut down WOBH now extend to listings on Trademe, as well as the message boards. Listing #837877555.

    • Watcher

      There really is some strange folk in NZ

    • Nige.
    • caochladh

      Just another female feral rip off merchant from West Auckland with the plate she is advertising for $1886. A similar plate can be bought for $17.96.
      http://www.ioffer.com/i/naaman-miniature-porcelain-from-israel-with-love-plate-547417321

      • Nige.

        yeah…i think some people are so desperate to get something out on the internet that they are willing to put a false listing up in the hope that someone will pay attention to them. Still….she managed to get us to go have a look…

      • Isherman

        Zactly, doesn’t look like Minto or Smalley have bid on it either. And how exactly was she going to send the 20% split to “Palestinian Mothers”?, via Hamas, good luck with that but I’m sure they would gratefully receive the donation. $370 odd would probably be enough to build a couple of Qassam’s.

  • MaryLou

    Who’d a thunk? A good article here from Bernard Hickey on RMA reforms: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11391408

  • Pete

    Been thinking about the Bain compo issue, and I would like the chance, to sit down, look Bain in the eye, and say 3 things to him, live on TV

    They are –

    1) Buckley.
    2) Taylor
    3) Koch..in fact, this should be #1

    We need to make sure that NZ does not have a similar episode to OJ .

  • Watcher

    What a beautiful day today.
    Took my young Grandson bunny shooting tonight, he sconed 2 and missed a very large hare.
    He is a great wee hunter, and likes nothing more than walking the farms and hills looking for game.
    He stalks like a pro, and bear Grylls is his hero ( not mine I might add, I reckon that instead of drinking his own urine, Grylls would be better off carrying a bottle of water) sitting and playing on a tablet etc isn’t for the boy, thank goodness.
    I reminded him tonight of how fortunate he is, as there are thousands of young Kiwis who will never know how to hunt, or take contemplative moments to watch wildlife and nature at her best. He agreed.

  • Alright

    Why would “Stuff” even publish this?

    “Career criminal and jailhouse lawyer Arthur Taylor is going for his biggest scalp this week – the Prime Minister.”

    • caochladh

      I guess they are playing to their target audience – Green, Left and the terminally stupid.

      • Alright

        I have been a journalist for longer than I care to remember, and I have produced some silly (read stupid) stories. I would never, ever, have written this BS for publication.

        • caochladh

          Someone in editorial would have given this the rubber stamp, wouldn’t they?

  • I.M Bach

    When you consider how many bludgers there are in the world and then you look at this little guy, you really have to wonder; who’s the better being? I took this today and was quite taken by the efforts of this tiny creature, it was hot, he was out in the sun, toiling, and not one hand was held out. He just got on with life.

    • Cowgirl

      He will be sorted come winter.

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