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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    gongoozler (noun) – An idle spectator.

    Source : http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gongoozler

    • hookerphil

      If it was a gongguzzler would that be someone at the cricket – or would they not then be idle.

    • Carl

      So would the entire Labour party be called a gaggle of gongoozlers?

      • Korau

        I would divide the Labour Party into two groups. Self proctologists and gongoozlers.

        • Mikex

          Love it !! It was worth looking up, I’ve learnt another useful new word.

  • kiwisnab

    Associate Transport Minister Craig Foss was quoted in the Horrid yesterday that drugs and alcohol contributed to about 25% of fatal road accidents and that 21% of drivers and 33% of passengers killed in car crashes were not wearing seatbelt or approved child restraints in the 2014 road toll statistics. So we are up to 79%, add in dangerous manoeuvres – U turns, running red lights and failing to give way to name a few dangerous manoeuvres and the numbers might get up to 90%.
    Speed is not mentioned….Either Darwinism at work or the Police have taken their eye of the ball in regard to basic road safety policing. Proves that targeting speeding is easy game for the Police.

    • Imogen B

      Those figures may warrant a little further investigation.
      For instance the drug/alcohol figure may not be in isolation to the seatbelt figure. Ie. A person could be drunk and unrestrained and performing a Uturn in the path of an oncoming truck, resulting in a rise in population’s average IQ.
      It pains me to defend the muppets in road policing, but in the interest of accuracy …

    • Interesting point but you are incorrect to add the stats.

      • kiwisnab

        Hi, interested to hear/ read your reason for not adding stats.

    • Saggy

      It’s quite possible that excess speed was also a factor in the alcohol and no seatbelt deaths. But I agree that targeting speed is easy game. Today I see the AA wants the police to back off pinging low level speeding on good roads such as the Auckland motorway and target dangerous roads.

    • Wheninrome

      At best this is a broad outline of what has occurred and been a factor in the accidents, but don’t think you can just add the numbers as all three factors could have contributed to 1 death.
      The one thing they have left out is “stupidity” which I believe is a major factor and can contribute to a crash where an “innocent good driver” becomes involved “accidentally” because of the idiot in another car.

    • Mike Webber

      Police used to publish statistics on crash causes and attributed 5 to 6 percent to speeding and about 18% to drugs and alcohol. I was on the Taranaki rescue helicopter for 5 1/2 years and most of the big fatals were because of being on the wrong side of the road, very often caused by fatigue, like being asleep.

      • mommadog

        I did that once. A lesson learned. I was going home absolutely exhausted and fell asleep. Car went off the side of the road and hit a roadside tree. The front of the car didn’t look good but thankfully all I got was a huge fright and some bruises. I was doing the speed limit, was in town and only a couple of kms from home. I changed jobs in the end to get away from night shift (no day shift opportunities with that employer in the reasonable future as there was a list of people wanting to work days) as I couldn’t sleep well enough in the day and it wasn’t going to get any better. I could see disaster looming and didn’t want to be responsible for hitting someone else.

  • newbarnkiwi

    Seems the solution to climate change is all about the whale!!
    Not only is their excrement the perfect food for ocean plant life & plankton, but the way whales churn the seas as they plough through the water column also helps with absorption of atmospheric carbon into the depths.
    Seems a parallel here with Whale Oil… unfettered posts nourishing the minds of truth seekers whilst vigorously stirring the trough / cess pool of our local MSM. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if everything undesirable eventually settled on the seabed never to be seen or heard from again.
    Fab little video (4.51min)

    • johcar

      “Poo-namis” – LOL

      • minnie

        Haha a friend once polished a sheep dag and hung it round his neck for a fancy dress party – called it his “poo-nami”. Random thing you just reminded me of!!

  • Korau

    30 years ago yesterday was the anniversary of the first mobile phone call in Britain. It was made on this.

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdokr-_H-Tw&w=560&h=315%5D

    More info on this here. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/01/30_years_of_mobile/

    Times have certainly changed for the better. I always laugh when people hanker for “the good old days”.

  • Hard1

    Police are upset and extremely distraught over the rising holiday road toll.
    The head of national road safety John Gongoozler said the New Years message to all motorists is ” Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel. The future’s uncertain, and the end is always near”
    Gongoozler added ” Many drivers continuously glance at their speedometer, which is risky. Accidents can happen in a split second, so your responsibility to your family and other drivers is to maintain constant attention to traffic conditions at all times.”

    • Of course people are obsessing with their speedos – a direct result of the absurdity of the zero tolerance rule. Years ago a wise man called Cohen wrote a paper called “The police as amplifiers of deviancy” He argued that obsessing about minor issues such as cannabis usage created a climate where people became criminalized unnecessarily. As people kicked back against restrictions they actually increased usage as it became anti-establishment and achieved a greater meaning. Using this as a parallel, the zero tolerance simply creates anger and aggression against the police and will in turn lead to an increase in accidents as already nervous drivers worry overmuch about their speed and fail to give attention to the road conditions.
      Law of unintended consequences …..

      • OneTrack

        But an obvious consequence.

    • sheppy

      Zero tolerance speed enforcement – epic fail, lower drink drive limit – similar result if alcohol is listed as a factor in some of the carnage as its likely not helped.
      Both should be returned to previous settings immediately.
      Sadly too much revenue is at stake by doing that

    • HSV325

      What does Gongoozler expect with a 1 km/h tolerance? What a muppet. I still want to know how many, if any have been pinged at 1 km/h over. I think most sensible cops wouldn’t be enforcing it and I do think the vast majority of cops doing traffic duty are sensible.

      • Chris EM

        I have a lot of respect for our cops, and believe the vast majority are sensible. However, the percentage of not so sensible cops increases markedly amongst those who choose to do traffic duty in my opinion.

    • Hans

      Modern cars have better brakes, tyres, seatbelts easier to drive than 30 years ago but we need to reduce our speed because speed kills!!!!!!!!!!

    • George Costanza

      Lol, did he really say that?!
      “Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel. The future’s uncertain, and the end is always near”
      The Doors – Roadhouse Blues. Must be a Jim Morrison fan

      • Cadwallader

        Side 1 track 1 Morrison Hotel.

  • Nige.

    So on zb they are talking about the flag thing again. Which makes me wonder how many people actually have a flag pole at home.

    when i lived in Sydney i noticed there were many many more Australians waving the flag there.

    Here i thing you are more likely to see a flag pole bearing another nations flag than our own. there are several around town with the welsh flag and another with the Canadian and another guy changes his depending on whats going on in the world.

    (no ISIS ones yet thank goodness)

    do YOU have a flag pole? what to you put on it?

    • KGB

      We have a flag pole proudly flying the NZ flag. We use to fly an All Black flag during rugby season, but due to the flag debate we will now fly both together.
      I lived in the USA and was impressed with their patriotism. Flags everywhere, and most homes flew one.

      • Hans

        In Holland people fly a flag when its some ones birthday, or wedding anniversary, when Holland defeated the Spanish, if you pass your exams, Queens birthday, end of WW2 etc… any excuse to fly the flag at all and its great.

    • Hans

      I have 4 flags, US, Israel, Dutch And New Zealand flags

    • Aucky

      How many companies fly our flag on a daily basis? It should be obligatory for all Government departments and SOEs including schools.

      I am always impressed when visiting the US of how proud the Americans are of their flag and how prominently it is displayed. I wonder how Americans would feel about moves to change their flag because it doesn’t represent the original occupiers of the land?

      • Cadwallader

        I fly my US flag quite often. If Helen Clark lived next door I would do so everyday! If Russell Norman lived next door I would fly the Israeli flag everyday. If Rachel Smallbrain lived next door I would shift!

      • ex-JAFA

        How will mandating the flying of a flag improve anything? You can’t force people to feel patriotic or to display their patriotism in any given way. I know I’m beating my head against a brick wall with all the conservatives (and occasional socialist) on WO, but a society is not the result of legislation. How about we allow people to fly a flag if they wish to do so, and leave it at that?

        Besides, the US flag has been changed many times over the years, including when other countries (e.g. Texas) or territories (e.g. Hawaii) are subsumed into the US. What do the good folk of the likes of Virginia think of that?

  • KGB

    He might survive in the desert with Cam & his cronies. He wouldn’t survive with his mates Hager, Gower, & co that’s for sure.

  • Sailor Sam

    Petrol in Queensland, NSW and Victoria is selling for $1.18.
    With NZ and OZ dollar at near parity, shows how much we are being fleeced in NZ.

    • I.M Bach

      It’s down to as little as $1.09.7 in Perth.


    • Dave

      Thats unfair Sam, there is a massive difference, its called distribution, and market size. Whilst there is a disparity in fuel prices, and especially in Tax Take, the fact that cannot be ignored, is the huge distribution costs in NZ, small port based terminals, and a fleet of smallish road tankers, carting relatively small loads to often remote service stations doing a milk type run. Now 95% of Aussies retail fuel is sold within a 160km radius of a terminal, and the road tankers carry 50% more fuel here. Then for a fair comparison, see the price of fuel in the aussie outback.

      A comparison….. http://fuelprices.racq.com.au/fairfuelprices/Default.aspx

      Brisbane $1.191
      Emerald $1.268
      Longreach $1.357

      Suggest you use google to find a few postcodes, then type three postcodes into the RACQ fuel price website. the data is captured from fuel card companies transactions, and is very accurate.

      • Cadwallader

        Unlike in OZ being self employed in NZ means you can claim 100% of it back as a deduction.

        • I.M Bach

          Plus, if I’ve my facts straight, you can claim the road tax portion back if you use the petrol in your boat, lawn mower, tractor or anything that isn’t road registered.

          • Cadwallader

            I think that is right.

      • Sailor Sam

        Always excuses, just like we pay high prices for our milk, produced in our own backyard, compared to that same NZ milk being cheaper overseas.
        Why a bottle of Watties tomato sauce is cheaper in OZ than in Hastings.
        I can go on and on.
        And seeing as wages in NZ are so low compared to OZ, distribution costs are not higher than in OZ, where distances are so much greater.
        I agree Longreach is in Central Qld, but still has cheaper fuel than Auckland.
        Except for outback roadtrains, trucks in OZ are the same size as in NZ, I see them everyday.
        So there you go.

        • minnie

          Dont know if this is still correct, my mother pointed out to me years ago that bottles of Watties tomato sauce were made in Oz and the refill tins are made in NZ!! I only bought tins since so cant check on that, may have changed.

        • Dave

          incorrect, the average size of a fuel tanker in Aussie is bigger than those in NZ. a lot of fuel for metro distribution in Aussie is transported in a B train, with each trailer capable of 35,000 litres, meaning a 70,000 litre rig. a large unit in NZ, is 2 x 25,000 litre trailers, or one super size 38,000 litre unit. I worked in the industry a while back. different regulations and practices in the countries

    • kehua

      Better still, Caltex Dairy Flat this morning $1.99
      Mobil Rotorua $1.79

  • Korau

    Looks good to me.

    How about “to destroy lies by shining sunshine on them.”

    • Cadwallader

      I like it! Something about sunshine being an antiseptic.Cheers.

  • caochladh

    With all the re-modelling, re-vamping and building of new service stations across the land, I am yet to find anything that comes close to this…http://www.globetoday.com/this-gas-stations-toilet-is-better-than-my-room-you-have-to-see-this/#

  • Hard1

    Following the recent article yesterday about how the MSM takes liberty with the truth, a Kiwi guy in the US jumped off a boat, misjudged it and got crushed to death. By all accounts a good guy, out there in the storm, helping out. A tragic accident, probably avoidable but nevertheless it seemed from the account he was doing his best.

    The Stuff wades in with “Tim Mitchell, a 39-year-old from New Plymouth is being hailed as a hero. He died while fighting to protect residents and to save boats in Avalon, Catalina Island’s main town.”

    During the storm, Mitchell was aboard the King Neptune as it was about to run aground at Avalon Harbour. He tried to jump ashore but didn’t make it, according to an LA County sheriff’s spokeswoman.”He died as he tried to save the King Neptune,” city authorities said.

    So he wasn’t fighting to protect residents. That’s just made up.