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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    quidnunc (noun) – An inquisitive and gossipy person.

    Usage : There will always be at least one quidnunc keen to tell you how to live your life.

    Source : http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/quidnunc

    • Wallace Westland

      Sue Bradford?

      • Korau

        Not necessarily a woman. Don’t know either of these, so can’t comment. Would this fit either?

        termagant (noun) – A harsh-tempered or overbearing woman.

        Sounds like Pam what’s her name!

        • Catriona

          So what’s the noun for a harsh-tempered or overbearing man then?

          • Korau

            Don’t know of any exclusively male terms. The best I can come up with are:

            Dictator
            Tyrant
            Bully

            Take your pick.

          • Albert Lane

            What about “a Winston”.

    • Aucky

      Rachel Glucina?

  • George

    It appears the MSM are implementing a new strategy regarding their focus on “dirty politics”. It’s aim is to get under the skin of Cam and Whaleoil contributors. There has been a number of statements relating to Nicky Hager being New Zealander of the year, and other comments that elavate Hager’s status to that of a national hero. I will not name the journalists as this just promotes their egos, but that said, I would like to thank them for their contribution towards the ever increasing audience they provide for Whaleoil.
    These comments represent an almost unbelievable arrogance and ignorance. Not in that they think Nicky Hager is a hero, but their belief that their comments will influence opinion. One day they may awaken from their ethical coma and realise that most NZ’s scoff at their stupidity and in fact dismiss their opinions as irrelevant. Your audience has been in rapid decline, so much so that you have to give your paper away to thousands for a six weeks free trial. Here’s some hints. Employ some real journalists. Report fact not opinion. Report balance not bias. Promote your country not ridicule its governance. Abandon socialism and then your circulation will grow. In the meantime Whaleoil is the only alternative and that is why we don’t have a socialist government. What used to be your audience is now Whaleoil’s.

    • mommadog

      I wish I could print that message poster size and stick it up on the wall in every MSM news room / journalist office in the country. Sadly even if that were possible they probably still wouldn’t understand it.

  • Teletubby

    This one is pathetic it left me quite speechless.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/64631412/the-language-of-john-key-akshually

    I know it is the quiet news time of year and but seriously how does this rubbish even make it into print. I guess while all the trained and skilled journalists are on leave they must let the trainees practice their anti Key writing. None the less it was rather amusing that while the article quoted all of the lefty topics John Key was talking about less it didn’t quote what he was talking instead so one logically arrives at the conclusion that the lefty media now believe John Key is saying nothing.

    Still I guess if this drivel is the best attack piece they have then Key is obviously doing a good job and the media are getting very desperate to try and get a hit on him.

    • Aucky

      I really struggled to reach the end of the article TT. Had I not known otherwise I would have assumed that it was a very average attempt at an assignment by a Year 12 Media Studies student and not a fully trained and skilled journalist. The choice of the image of the PM in a silly woolly hat was a rather poor one – I think that the intent was obviously to belittle John Key but it achieves quite the reverse. The public love the PM’s preparedness to be himself in public and to be ‘one of us’.

      So, sorry Charlie Mitchell of The Press – 4/10. A poor effort. You can do better.

      • Teletubby

        I also struggled to get to the end, the only thing that kept me striving forward was my curiosity to see what he was talking about now to replace all those other things plus the naive belief that the balance would come at the end of the “story”

      • OneTrack

        Are you sure he can do better? Maybe when his voice breaks?

      • Salacious Crumb

        No the sad reality is that he and his colleagues cannot.

    • Cowgirl

      That was truly weird and I struggled to get to the end too. Perhaps after a little more analysis they will discover John Key has chosen his topics based on the conversation that most New Zealanders want to have, and that when he references ‘New Zealand’ (how awful for a PM to reference the country he leads), that he is thinking holistically of all New Zealand and all New Zealanders, rather than a bunch of special interest groups?

      • OneTrack

        And that’s the rub, isn’t it. The MSM in New Zealand is now little more than a special interest group of Green and Labour supporters.

    • Betty Swallocks

      I suspect the ‘real’ journalists have taken off on holiday and left the office boy to scribble a few articles. His facebook page gives the impression that he would be one of the slackers applying for the job as a paintball bullet tester.

    • 1951

      Well, that wasted almost all my allocated 8 mins.

  • Sally

    More details behind the KDC twitter the other day.KDC is looking to leave NZ. He said he is renewing his offer to the DOJ to voluntarily travel to the US but he wants bail in US and his assets returned to him.
    He also wants Mona and the kids to travel with him to the US.
    But he can’t understand why NZers have turned against him and he can’t live here anymore (not feeling the love.)
    Boo hoo. No sympathy here.
    Also I can’t remember him ever offering to voluntarily going to the US before.

    • conwaycaptain

      Please DoJ let him go to the US and take the brood with him. We don’t want him or them.

      • Sally

        Torn on this one. On one hand want to see him on a plane tomorrow but on the other he is using a form of blackmail. He is still trying to call all the shoots. Now that life is getting harder for him – let him suffer.

    • johcar

      He also thanks Hone and his people for teaching him humility!!!!!!!

      I don’t know what Hone taught him, but humility it wasn’t…

      • Sally

        Certainly didn’t teach him how to look after his unpaid staff.

      • Chris EM

        One would have to know what humility was, before one could teach it.

      • Wheninrome

        Hone taught him how to “trough” look at all the things he wants the Government to provide. A beneficiary in the making if ever I saw one.

    • Teletubby

      1. If he wants to surrender to the U.S. Government then that is up to him to negotiate not our Government, he needs to get out his chequebook and send his lawyers to talk to the DA in whatever state he has been charged in.
      2. Of course he wants to leave NZ, reading between the lines it looks very much like his plan to do a runner from NZ was rumbled and now he is too restricted to get out of here. The U.S. however is a vast country with huge population and crucially land borders. These combined with bail and access to funds are Dotcom’s wettest dreams. His problem is his ego will probably force him to slip quietly into Mexico with an entourage in a convoy of black Hummers with attention grabbing vanity plates. Then of course while struggling to believe that one so clever as himself could be caught he will accuse the American Government of spying on him.
      3. He knows full well his proposed deal will never be accepted so why is he doing it? Trying to look like the good guy and voice of reasonableness? Desperate to be relevant again?

      • Sally

        Norman and Peters will soon to pay him him a visit to see what they can do for him.
        Next they will stand up in parliament asking why doesn’t Key do something for the sad lonely chap at Coatesville who can’t pay his rent, can’t feed his children and all he wants is a ticket to the US for him and his family and all his toys back.

    • Catriona

      Ooh, that’s a biggie – wanting to go to the US. With him there are always strings attached. Bring it on I say.

    • mommadog

      Travel voluntary but he wants all his money and Mona because she has control of the other half of all his money. Obviously a last ditch plan to escape when other plans haven’t worked. Lets keep all the money and send him packing unvoluntarily if they can find handcuffs big enough.

      • MaryLou

        Since their “split” it would be interesting to see if she would actually want to go.

  • Disinfectant

    Been thinking more about “Depositors” taking a haircut in the event of a Bank failure here in New Zealand.
    Compare the following analogy.
    A bank uses your deposits to make loans and in doing so pays you interest. It also helps itself to a fee by using your deposits (which are your property).
    If I put a Property Management company in charge of my house (property), they will use it as the Landlord by renting it out, collecting the rent and keeping a fee for themselves.
    Now Bank goes bust. Shareholders lose their money and now the Depositors might lose some of their property as well (deposits).
    Now Property Management company goes bust. Shareholders lose their money, but house owner does not lose their property (house).
    So why are Banks allowed to steal, when we would never allow a Property Management company to steal someone else’s property.
    Edit; deleted repetition.

    • Tony

      Are the banks been supervised well? I have recently found out that Westpac manipulated our account so that another branch became involved but they can’t tell me the date that this happened nor who authorised it. In addition I asked that they assure me of the integrity of the account which they have been unable or unwilling to do. The problem that we have is that we need to ensure that there is strong prudential management of the banks so that they do not go under. But note that RaboBank has recently removed their parent guarantee but very little “noise” about this.

    • Orange

      But what was the reason for the property people going bust? If it was because the renters were burning houses down and yours was one of them then you have indeed lost your house. If you pay to be insured then the difference is insurance not possibility of losing an asset. The main answer is probably more simple: they’re banks.

      • Albert Lane

        This is a similar question to one that’s been plaguing me for some time. Why did the finance companies go bust? Were they lending money to people who had no way of paying it back? Were people borrowing money for fraudulent reasons? It’s possible of course that the reasons were well-known at the time, but we were living overseas then, and never heard of any reasons why these outfits could lose billions of dollars. Can anybody help me?

        • Orange

          Huge number of bad car and house loans. Hannover had some incredibly stupid massive building loans out too. Finance for everything and all bad risk.

          • peterwn

            Loans for property development are the most problematical and some finance companies were set up with that specifically in mind, although they did other lending to appear diversified. Basically development loans effectively do not pay interest, but compound it within the loan but the finance company has to borrow more money to pay interest to the retail lenders. If the development goes to plan, retail lenders come out OK. But if things start going haywire – result one big train wreck, made worse by the developer not waving the white flag until as late as possible.

            Interesting too that ANZ/ING Diversified Investment Fund (I think) took on USA sub-prime stuff to spice up returns, and NZ Guardian Trust used its ‘fixed interest’ fund to prop up its ailing ‘mortgage fund’. Both ran into big trouble.

    • Yeahright

      Why the doubt about banks, as far as I can see all of our banks are in good shape and are very unlikely to go bad?

    • peterwn

      If you can think of a way of lending money while retaining full property rights to it, you can potentially become very rich – you can lend it to a fringe borrower at say 25% and if the borrower goes bust then take it back. The difference in practice is lending cash or gold to a bank which cannot be utilised for lending is useless from the bank’s point of view, whereas real estate can be lent and is useful to the borrower as he or she can occupy it. You cannot generally occupy cash or gold, although you could rent a money bin for a budding Scrooge McDuck to swim in it.

      • All_on_Red

        Contributory Mortgage coys or Solicitors Nominee coys do this in that your money is directly secured by a Mortgage over the property you are lending on. However the issue in the past has been that the lending has generally been second or third tier in terms of risk – think non prime borrowers and people lending to their mates.
        Frankly the whole problem of Banks collapsing and nicking a portion of your money is a good argument for either Deposit Insurance or just buying a rental property and forgetting about the Bank!

        • MrHippo

          Deposit insurance is not the answer – it distorts / displaces sound risk management as to the actual risk profile of the deposit taking institution, as the guarantee is eyed. and not the actual risk associated with the institution. South Canterbury Finance is an example. And also, who do you think pays for the deposit insurance via greater fees and a wider NII margin?

          • Wheninrome

            If the banks in NZ go down, I don’t think it matters where your NZ money is as it won’t be worth a lot, property wouldn’t be worth much the NZ dollar would be a bit like the Italian Lira of old, buckets load to purchase anything.
            If we live in a negative frame of mind, we stagnate. If we worry about what might happen all the time we waste huge amounts of possibility.

        • peterwn

          Who is going to underwrite deposit insurance – there is only one possibility – the taxpayer. Then there is the ‘moral hazard’ of deposit insurance – investors will be less careful choosing which institutions to invest in and banks etc will become less careful with their loans (eg the S&L debacle in USA years ago).

          Having said that, for political reasons, Kiwibank is possibly the safest bank for small time depositors – there would be stronger pressure to bail out Kiwibank than the others (which is why Bill English would dearly love to get shot of it). As far as buying rental property is concerned, a small investor can afford houses/ flats only and can soon suffer a haircut at the hands of tenants. Far better to buy shares in a company that owns and leases out large tin sheds, the company does all the donkey work and the tenants are far less fractious than the average domestic tenant. You get a nice cheque (or deposit) each quarter.

    • Platinum Fox

      Open Bank Resolution is a policy implemented by the RBNZ. It wasn’t an idea that the banks dreamed up over a coffee meeting called with the objective of finding a way to take a portion of their depositors’ money in order to enhance shareholder value.

      To quote the RBNZ: “Open Bank Resolution is a long-standing Reserve Bank policy aimed at allowing a distressed bank to be kept open for business, while placing the cost of a bank failure primarily on the bank’s shareholders and creditors, rather than the taxpayer”. The policy’s intention is to enable a bank’s depositors to access the bulk of their deposits and to carry on with their normal banking business the day after the bank fails. The part of the deposits that is not frozen (or ‘haircut’, depending on your point of view) and still available for on-going activity will be government guaranteed.

      Here’s the link to RBNZ’s regulation page on the subject http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/regulation_and_supervision/banks/policy/4430900.html

      That page has a link to a document titled “OBR Made Simple” which makes it clear that this is a tool for emergency use only.

      Here’s a quote from OBR Made Simple: “It is important to note that bank losses will first be borne by the shareholders and subordinated debt holders. Only then would depositors incur a loss.”

      • MrHippo

        OBR is one of many measures to minimise the risk of systemic failure in the banking system driven by a failure. You will find that there have a number of projects that work together aimed at minimising payments systems issues surrounding failure – example, Real Time Gross Settlement (RTGS) and Settlement Before Interchange (SBI).

        • Platinum Fox

          I’d put the capital, liquidity, governance and disclosure requirements at the top of my list of prudential requirements that are imposed on banks that operate in NZ and act as protection at the top of the cliff. OBR will only come into play if a bank fails, an outcome that the combination of prudential requirements is intended to ensure is an extremely rare event.

  • kiwihornplayer

    Notice how MSM Journalism has sunk so low that journalists/reporters are seen interviewing journalists/reporters on a regular basis. Years ago, when media studies taught real interview techniques, it was considered the height of incompetence for that to happen.

    Journalists are now so distrusted that they are unable to approach the person(s) who create or are part of the news for a direct comment and instead call in their ‘political editor’ to give an opinion as to what was said or happened.

    The absolute pits of journalism – Pathetic!

    • Effluent

      I almost feel sorry for these journalists. I used to know a few some years ago, and they were mostly good people.The more perceptive amongst them must be aware that the publications they work for are a dying breed and that their best days are gone.
      No doubt the the older hands left in the news business tell them of long gone luxuries like sub-editors and proof readers, and they probably feel the same way as the craftsmen in shipbuilding and steelmaking did when their industries went down the plughole.

  • Rick H

    Even when the MSM actually do some research to back up a story, they get it vastly wrong.
    In the 2 days leading up to New Years, here in Timaru, we had cruise ships docked at PrimePort Timaru on two consecutive days.
    Firstly, the “Europa” from Hapag Lloyd.
    Next day, the “Seabourn Odyssy”.

    Write up in Timaru Herald stated the Seabourn Odyysy had arrived from Oban (Scotland).
    It had in fact arrived from Oban (Stewart Island).

    My first thought – reporter saw it had arrived from Oban, so googled Oban and wrote the first place that popped up.

    Numpties.

    • conwaycaptain

      Those two ships are real luxury vessels with quite wealthy passengers. Seabourn is part of the Carnival Cruises operation and Europa is run by Hapag LLoyd

  • pisces8284 .

    This article makes me so angry I don’t know where to start. Dying of cancer is not a glorious death

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/cancer-is-the-best-way-to-die-and-we-should-stop-trying-to-cure-it-says-doctor/ar-BBhpZ5K

    • conwaycaptain

      Read that and saw my wife suffer for 8 months.

      • pisces8284 .

        My sympathies cc

        • conwaycaptain

          My family doc was FANTASTIC and also made sure I was OK for about a year after as we had lunch once a month. He is the Doc I have recommended on the Melanoma artricle

    • intelligentes candida diva

      Some people really are stupid, they may be talented or bright intellectually but without emotional intelligence there is a lack…. keep them well away from dying people.

      “Cancer is the best way to die….” is stupid and tactless. Having supported a family member through the dying process it was not the pain that caused him to confront his mortality it was death.
      Also some people dont confront their own mortality, they die kicking and screaming…
      That Dr is stupid and I would not want him near any of my family

      • 1951

        He seems hardened, if somewhat cold but having family that are there one moment and not the next, I understand what he is saying.
        He does raise a serious question about ambitious oncologists. Sometimes the cure does seem more cruel than the disease. Another is the ‘Finding a Cure’ aspect. That has to be challenged loudly. If there is a major fault with modern medicine, it is that. If half the money that has gone into ‘Finding a Cure’ over the last forty years, had gone into ‘Ways of Preventing’, I bet the picture would be very different , in so many branches of medicine.

        • ex-JAFA

          There’s a lot more glory in driving the (figurative) ambulance than in fencing the cliff.

      • Catriona

        Yep, we had a family member die of Cancer. She was in complete denial – it was horrible to watch and support her through the process. We take our heath and wellbeing for granted and when something like this sneaks up on someone, it is a big shock, particularly as there is nothing you can do for that person but to love them until the end. There were times I felt so guilty as I could get up and walk away and not endure the suffering she did. Took a while to rationalise that in my head, now I am so grateful that I am free to roam the planet so to speak. Life’s good.

      • mommadog

        Agreed. What a stupid statement. Cancer is not a good way to die. A good way to die is to be 105 and die in your sleep. But I have seen worse diseases to die of in my time working in health and myself and colleagues have made comments that there are worse things than cancer. I don’t really want to name them because 1. it is my perception and 2. if someone were reading and recently diagnosed with that particular disease(s) I don’t want to cause distress. However it has led me to being in favour of voluntary euthanasia / physician assisted suicide. I don’t know if I would use that option and wont know until faced with it but when my time comes I want the option to be legally available. It would be of comfort just knowing I could if I wanted to.

    • Bluemanning

      My first wife had breast cancer which migrated to the skeleton which ‘advances’ very slowly, Eventually it rapidly metastasised to the vital organs gone at 56. All in all, 10 years of suffering, emotional and physical for her, wasn’t easy for me either. That article, what a crock. Like to meet the idiot who authorised that for publication.

      • conwaycaptain

        Hi Blue
        Very similar to my wife. She died at 63/

        • Monty Bank

          A v good friend’s wife died at 42. Both of them are/ were nurses. There were three occasions during the nine months of treatment when their nursing training prevented a medical misadventure. Once a nurse almost injected air into a vein, but for my friend observing that a valve was turned the wrong way, another time a ward doctor prescribed a medicine without properly checking the wife’s chart. Friend and wife both questioned the medicine before it was given. It would have produced great complications.
          Her last 9 months lacked almost any quality, friend says he now wishes they’d refused chemo as the reactions were so extreme and there was no real chance of a “cure” anyway.
          Not sure what I’d do in same circumstances.

          Quality or quantity of life is a tough choice.

    • Wheninrome

      It does a lot to raise the debate about dying with dignity, and a choice when to die.
      Upsetting people with what is seen as an ill considered argument does get the rest of us discussing the point and from that progress is made, hopefully.
      From extremes comes a moderate outcome, if we only have moderate arguments we get washy washy outcomes, in other words nothing.
      I have seen people dying from cancer who might have preferred the right to end their lives with a choice as to how and when.
      Death is never glorious no matter the cause.
      A personal choice as to when and how might improve the situation for some.

  • Wallace Westland

    Excellent article by Eric Watson in the HOS. Basically pointing out the gross stupidity of people that are so busy trying to make their lives look good in social media that they have forgotten how to live their lives.

    Interaction with others is becoming a dying art.

    I sit a the pub with my mates and we look in disgust at kids all sitting at a table with phones in their hands and bottles of craft beer busily tapping away on their phones not a word passing amongst them.

    And most likely talking to one or other about someone else at the table.

    He also touches on the sense of entitlement of Gen Y which goes hand in hand with the above.

    • Catriona

      We have a rule when we go out with family and friends – keep your phones firmly tucked away in your handbags, ladies and for the blokes, turn it off.
      We’ve come together to socialise – not look at our phones every 5 seconds.
      So annoying. Otherwise stay home if you don’t want to socialise.

    • mommadog

      I agree with you generally but I have met many young who are quite capable of holding a good conversation as well as having smart phones and I am also reminded that parents/the older generation thought the world was coming to an end and the young would never be the same again when rock and roll music became popular. Some tried to ban it but the youth won. Perhaps it will not end up as bad as some seem to fear.

    • Albert Lane

      I spend time in Melbourne most years, and everywhere you go around the CBD there will be groups of young people, each holding their devices, and with not a word passing between them. If these people are totally neglecting the art of personal communication now, what will they be like in 30 years time?

    • Coffee Connoisseur

      that sense of entitlement will see the world change significantly for the better when their time comes. Our generation is simply too stupid.

  • Isherman

    Situation normal in the Herald this morning, same photo used for both Mangere Mountain and Mt Kaukau, I mean is it really that hard?..also loved the description of indigenous Maori edible plants, they couldn’t just be native edible plants could they.

    • Reaper

      Yes, “indigenous Maori edible plants” – the word ‘Maori’ could be omitted entirely. They are indigenous edible plants.

      • Isherman

        I’ve never heard of any plant from anywhere that had a racial identity as well as a species one. Ok, its fine if they are described as traditionally eaten or used by Maori, but the plant itself isn’t specifically Maori is it, numpties.

        • Cadwallader

          Potatoes in Ireland come close not to forget cheese and the French “surrender monkeys!”

          • Bafacu

            Actually potatoes were introduced to Ireland by the Scots. Go figure!

    • Tippex

      Why am I not surprised? Time they changed the masthead to read ‘Spot the Mistakes’.

      • mommadog

        That might be one way of selling a few papers. Make it a spot the mistakes competition with prizes to those who spot the most over the week.

        • Wheninrome

          A Herald subscription as the prize

          • Tippex

            Six months or a year of free birdcage tray liners.

          • mommadog

            No that wouldn’t work. It would need to be something of value like a big screen TV, a new car or cold hard cash.

          • Wheninrome

            Yes, but to be a self perpetuating competition they would need to give away the subscription so they had readers going forward to find the ongoing mistakes (prior to putting it in the birdcage – we are green here and things must be used twice over!!)
            Could be a big tv wrapped in the free herald?)

    • Old Man, Torbay.

      Wonder how many iwi do I have to consult If I want to eat this indigenous food ?

      • Wheninrome

        The cost of food will sky rocket with all the “koha” required.

      • Reaper

        Unfortunately, while they may be edible, not many are particularly palatable.

    • IKIDUNOT

      It’s clear, they have found another way to save money….let WO readers do their ‘spellcheck’.

  • Sagacious Blonde

    There’s fodder for several lines of debate round this evil specimen.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/64641053/Secrecy-on-criminal-past-angers

    “Jin says the pair were horrified when convicted killer Cheng Qi “Chris” Wang was found not guilty in the Auckland District Court last month of a charge resulting from an incident in the same court two years earlier.

    The couple had been embroiled in a tenancy dispute with Wang and say they began receiving death threats from him. They were allegedly told: “I’ve killed two people before and will do it again.”

    He was on bail charged with the deaths of Yishan “Tom” Zhong and Zhuo “Michael” Wu after another tenancy dispute, resulting in the stabbing of both Zhong and Wu at Wang’s Mt Albert mansion in 2011.”

    Bail laws

    Suppression of criminal history to juries

    Concurrent/consecutive sentencing

    Revocation of citizenship and deportation

    Rights of victims to the quiet enjoyment of their lives

    New Zealand really is way too limp-wristed with psychopathic imigrants and offenders.

  • Hedgehog

    Ha, Andrea Vance is on her Green crusade again. She has an opinion piece in Stuff supporting the Greens demand that the PM keep all his TXTs. How stupid. If the PM needs to keep his TXTs, then so does every other MP. And if the MPs and PM need to keep their TXTs so should all public servants with work cell phones. Then we need to consider a TXT is very similar to voice, so we should be thinking of recording all conversations the PM has. And of course if the PM needs to record all communication then so should all other MPs. And of course the public servants. Just mind blowing stupid in my mind. What muppets the Greens are.

    • Sally

      Forget her. It is only her opinion, it is just filling in some columns in a newspaper.

      • Isherman

        Yeah but she was pretty quick to get all uppity about her own phone records and access cards being checked wasn’t she..

      • caochladh

        In that case someone should counsel her that there is no compelling requirement for her to share her “opinions” with the rest of us.

    • Aucky

      How many News of the World journalists kept copies of their texts Ms Vance? How many in fact deliberately deleted their texts?

      • Isherman

        Do you mean their own actual texts, or the ones hacked from other people’s phones that they were in the business of obtaining.

    • Wheninrome

      Of course John Key should keep his texts, Andrea can see the value for future generations when the book about John Key’s life is read a full and factual account.. She’s a bright girl that Andrea, yeah right.
      What planet are these people on. They don’t want spying on people or is that only certain people that suit their agenda.
      You either store or you don’t, all or nothing, You can’t be selective about these things, maybe there should be a great big storage cloud for all communication from all humans no matter where to be stored and accessed, but by who? Now that is a question that could exercise the greens and lefties for years to come and what a waste of time that would be.

      • mommadog

        I’m not sure what planet these people are on or from but they are seriously brainwashed. It seems to be a requirement to act as if you are living in a cult – brainwashed in the belief you are always right and therefore you cant debate or look at the merits on the other side of an argument. If someone bucks the system and begins to think outside the box then you get rid of them one way or another. No one is allowed to disagree or upset the status quo of the left thinking. historically people worried about communism during the cold war and in the 50’s in the USA. We have a solid group here supported by the MSM.

    • Sagacious Blonde

      Private papers are normally embargoed from publication for 50 years, or until the death of the politician.
      That wouldn’t sit too well with Andrea’s modus operandi.

      • Effluent

        She’s obviously counting on Rawshark or one of his kind doing the dirty work for her. Perfectly happy to spray the S#@* produced by someone else, all the while pretending to have clean hands herself.

    • Wallace Westland

      This is the same Andrea Vance that went howling about her rights to privacy when parliamentary services went to view her logs and emails done in NZ”s Parliament building using equipment and offices of which they are the custodians and WE are the owners?

    • Coffee Connoisseur

      actually this does need to be tested in law. MPs texts and hones are paid for by the public purse and should arguably be a matter of public record.
      Look at it from the point of view of the opposition being in power and deleting texts.

  • Hard1

    Imagine if Helen Kelly had been successful in her effort to stop the Hobbit productions being produced in NZ.

    “The movie trilogy The Hobbit has so far cost nearly one billion dollars to make as the epic continues to set new benchmarks for studio spending.
    Financial documents filed this month in New Zealand, where the three movies are being made, show production costs through March had reached $934 million.”

    However ‘journalist’ NICK PERRY can’t resist spreading the usual lie “The latest documents show the production received US$122 million from New Zealand taxpayers through an incentive scheme designed to attract big budget movies to the country.’ he writes. Which is total fabrication , totally quoted as gospel ad nauseum by Union acolytes and other gremlins.

    “However, the real explanation is that less tax was assessed than if the movies were not made here. There would have been no GST revenue, no money paid to local contractors, suppliers, services etc. We didn’t pay $122M we just got $122M less than we would have.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/62597336/cost-of-making-hobbit-movies-close-to-1billion

    • Aucky

      The positive impact of the three movies on tourism is incalculable. I went to a presentation by the CEO of Tourism NZ in September and they are the linchpin of our promotions and marketing in the US, Asia & Europe for the next five years.

      In context the $122 mill is a pittance – it’s an investment pure and simple.Kelly knows that, Russel Norman knows that but they are more than willing to perpetuate the lie that taxpayer money has been used to line the pockets of John Key’s Hollywood mates. It’s dead easy for them when they have a willing media and left wing drones such as Nick Perry to spread their falsehoods.

  • Kapow

    Another reason to love Auckland Council?
    Not content with retstricting traffic on Onewa Rd in the mornings; Auckland Council are now going to create the same for your trip home. T3 transit lane West bound being installed in Feb. Effective from April and will apply 4-6pm.

    https://at.govt.nz/projects-roadworks/onewa-road-transit-lane-west/

    • MrHippo

      Not to mention the $4 million dollar ‘safe cycle route’ along Northcote Point – a sleepy dead-end cul-de-sac road, already noted as a “Route on quieter roads recommended by cyclists” in the Auckland Transport cycle maps that have apparently “been ridden by a team of experienced cyclists and graded in terms of safety and whether it is a quiet or busy route”.

  • Isherman

    Don’t have anything in your mouth when you read the last line lest you choke or end up with your coffee all over the screen…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11381758

    • conwaycaptain

      Hone, Laila, Pam and Humility do not go together

    • Damon Mudgway

      It’s nice the friendly people in the MSM still give blobby the time of day. Makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

    • steve and monique

      Have to laugh at him claiming to be a pariah. Kim, you made your choices, and all the rubbish you created finally has come back to where it belongs, at your backdoor. Guess the people of NZ are not as stupid as you thought.

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