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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    lugubrious (adj) – Mournful, dismal, or gloomy, especially to an exaggerated or ludicrous degree.

    A good example was the character Fish in “Barney Miller”.

    Source : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lugubrious

    • rantykiwi

      A word that was invented to desribe elderly Yorkshiremen such as my late grandfather and all his mates.

      • Quinton Hogg

        There are a few of those in my golf club. Blimey it can be hard to get a rise out of them.

        • Chris EM

          I used to play golf. I was usually very lugubrious after a round.

          • That wasn’t golf then.

    • Albert Lane

      I also like the word – dour – usually applied to Scotsmen.

  • Cadwallader

    Does anyone else here think that Nigel Latta is little more than a whiny little statist git?

    I have heard him this morning speaking with Tim Dower. He is sternly advocating increasing taxes on booze to prevent its abuse. He likens this idea to the antismoking lobby. There is a fundamental difference between cigarettes and booze which he appears to overlook. Cigarettes will invariably damage one’s health while sensible alcohol consumption won’t. Despite this demonstrable difference Mr Latta wishes to club booze the way smoking has been vilified and curbed. I think his precise agenda is to be Mr Nanny-State under the guise of being knowledge.

    • Chris EM

      Yes. He’s the perfect example of someone made to feel important by being given too much air time. He’s beginning to remind me of that moron Russell Brand.

      • Cadwallader

        Don’t know much about Brand but you are right…think Greg Newbold for one elevated to guru status by a lazy and stupid msm.

        • Quinton Hogg

          I would rather listen to Newbold than Latta these days.
          At least newbold has erm, hands on experience of his subject!

    • Ratchette

      Leading up to the September election, whenever he was on TV or radio he was preaching statism. (the principle or policy of concentrating extensive
      economic, political, and related controls in the state at the cost of
      individual liberty)
      He is a left wing – commie/greenie ‘whiny statist git’ You are correct.

      • Murray Smith

        How else would he get so much media exposure ?

    • pisces8284 .

      I liked listening to him when he stuck to what he knows best, psychology. It all went to his head when he started becoming an expert on alcohol and sugar

      • Chris EM

        That first program he did about not wrapping children in cotton wool was very good, I thought. He’s gone down hill from there.

        • HR

          Think he is like a lot of people who end up in the public eye (think Gareth Morgan) for initially legitimate reasons. They get used to being asked for opinions and become “experts” on everything.
          Oh, wait, kind of like MSM journalists….

          • Chris EM

            Yeah, it’s become a bit of a precedent, hasn’t it? “Journalists” using “experts” to legitimise their stories.

          • Phill

            Experts…like other journalists or green party members!
            (yeah right)

          • Lemuzz

            and pollies

      • peterwn

        I doubt he knows much about psychology either. If he did he would understand the unintended consequences of his proposals.

    • Whitey

      Yes. “Whiny little statist git” is probably the best description of him I’ve come across.

    • Skydog

      Hi shows on NZ criminals and teenagers were very good. His other shows are opinion, scare mongering, look at me look at me pieces of junk.

      • exactchange

        Heard him on the wireless saying ”Teenagers, they’re not right in the head’. If I paid him a buck for each time I’ve passed that onto a parent or a teenager he’d be a wealthy man. So I forgive him for being a “whiny little statist git”. Even though he is.

    • Jas

      If he wants to increase taxes on alcohol to prevent it’s abuse then surely in the light of another case we should introduce taxes on children to stop the abuse of children?

      • Albert Lane

        You need a licence to own a dog, and if you mistreat that dog, you won’t get a new licence for up to ten years. But a young single girl can have as many kids as she wants, and all to different fathers, and she won’t even have to pay to shelter, feed or clothe them, and she can spend all her benefit money on takeaways, smokes, booze and drugs. And Nanny State will look after her and protect her.

    • Albert Lane

      Yes, but will you suddenly change your mind if you or a family member is hit by the car of a drunken idiot, and badly injured (or worse). At least the smokers pay high taxes for their future medical care, and now we should be gathering in a heap of money from the drinkers to make up for all the problems they cause.

      • Cadwallader

        No. No matter how highly taxed liquor may become it won’t stop some drunken louse from driving a car when impaired by booze. Never invoke a rule based on the lowest common denominator as it vilifies us all.

        • Albert Lane

          Yes, you’re right. But the cops keep telling us that the majority of crashes are due to alcohol and speed. I know that one day we’ll have to breathe into a tube when we want to start the car, and if we are over the limit, the car won’t start. But in the meantime, alcohol-impaired drivers contribute to the road toll, and heavens knows how many other non-fatal crashes.

  • Murray Smith

    There are a few of these around.

  • Hard1

    Over at the NBR, Clive Matthew-Wilson is quoted as saying “The police blame speed and alcohol as a strong factor in many fatalities, but it’s not ordinary motorists who are speeding and driving drunk; it’s a tiny minority who are largely alienated from mainstream life.”
    This tiny minority of offenders get their fines turned into community service, lose their licence and then drive anyway, and in general find a Judge to feel sorry for them.
    The Police are clearly in denial on this one. Until they face the negative result of their misguided policy, they will keep on with the wrong policing expecting a different result. The morale of front line Police must be dropping, which should be of great concern. Time to target the “tiny minority of alienated drivers”, time to choose the hard right over the easy wrong. Time to stop treating upstanding citizens as marks in a scam.

    • rantykiwi

      That is an unusually sane and sensible statement from CM-W. Unfortunately with his general penchant for making stupid statements and consequent lack of credibility I doubt much attention will be paid to it.

    • kiwihornplayer

      The morale of front line Police dropped the day after integration with Traffic.

    • Albert Lane

      There has been a lot of media discussion about this lately, and you have nicely encapsulated it. However, I would just ask how you would feel, if you were a policeman (or woman), and you caught a real nasty criminal, and the courts gave him a few days of home detention and cancelled all his traffic fines.

  • Veritas

    The Black Caps show the importance of team culture and leadership:
    Congratulations Black Caps on a great victory. And on great innings & world
    test record (365) by Williamson and Watling. Once again, both showed heads down
    and concentrate in a crisis, with ability to play every ball on its merits.
    Together batted 8 hours, equals 4 sessions, equals 1+1/3 days. That is a long
    time to concentrate on every ball.
    Williamson batted 10 hours 23 minutes (438 balls) for 242 NO and Watling 8 hours (333 balls) for 142 NO. Total of 771 balls.
    Williamson also fastest NZ batsman to reach 3,000 runs in tests, 71 innings, 2 quicker than Crowe.
    No doubt about McCullum being an inspirational, selfless leader who has, with the coaching team and other team leaders (Williamson, Taylor, Southee for a start) created a great team-centred culture, attitude, environment. Had to to achieve recent results.
    [Some lessons here for some daft leftie and resentful political parties! Sorry to bring it up in the same breath – but can’t resist drawing the contrast.]

    • Skydog

      Martin Crow said yesterday something about Williamson will be our greatest ever batsman. I totally agree. The consistency of the young man is incredible.

    • Wahbonnah

      It’s hard to disagree with your comments Veritas.
      What’s happened to Ross Taylor’s form recently though. It’s a real concern heading into the World Cup :-/

  • Cadwallader

    Having listened to Tim Dower on breakfast for the past couple of weeks, I am surprised that ZB list him as a “newsreader” rather than as a host. Given the “hosts'” lack of calibre ref: Tame and Smalley and the soon to depart Danny Watson I am confused why Dower isn’t given his own programme. I would listen on Saturday mornings were he to replace the man-boy Tame.

    • Bluemanning

      For me ZB is in decline and have mostly switched off except a small dose of leighton occasionally and Larry on Monday. When they leave or retire or forced to go left 1ZB will be off permanently. I have rediscovered the pleasure of music on Coast unfortunately they share the same APN lefty news. We need a balanced news service.

    • Imogen B

      I didn’t know DW is ‘soon to depart’. Usually turn ZB off midday to 4.
      RIP Chris Carter.

  • Hard1

    My wife and I had a really, really hard time convincing Immigration that we was genuinely married, despite letters from 2 CEO’s and the fact we lived and worked together. After 2 years of waiting for Residency, I got the local MP involved, and it was sorted in 7 days. Around that time, the Wellington office had to ban cash payments as there had been some “irregularities”, all nicely hushed up. I couldn’t help but think that our case officer was waiting for some stimulus. They kept writing back asking for more proof that we were in a relationship. Not once did we get a visit from Immigration.

    Today, The Herald has a story on a Thai national holding up his NZ passport. Less than 2 years ago he was involved in Red Shirt protests and now he’s a New Zealand citizen. Is it really that easy ?

    “Mr Ekaphop, also known as Tang Acheewa, is affiliated with the Red Shirts political protest group and is wanted in his home country under lese majeste charges – hardline laws which forbid people from threatening or insulting Thailand’s royal family.”

    Strait up, being wanted for a crime in Thailand gets you a New Zealand Passport ?

    Something is broken in this system. This guy is no refugee.

  • jude

    A WISE WOMAN

    Written by Regina Brett, 90 years old. This is something we
    should all read at least once a week!!!!!

    “To celebrate growing older, I once wrote the 45
    lessons life taught me It is the most requested column I’ve ever written.

    My odometer rolled over to 90 in August, so here is the
    column once more:

    1. Life isn’t fair, but it’s still good.

    2. When in doubt, just take the next small step.

    3. Life is too short to waste time hating anyone. Change the
    way you think.

    4. Your job won’t take care of you when you are sick. Your
    friends and family will. Stay in touch.

    5. Pay off your credit cards every month.

    6. You don’t have to win every argument. Agree to disagree.

    7. Cry with someone. It’s more healing than crying alone.

    8. Release your children when they become adults, its their
    life now

    9. Save for retirement starting with your first pay cheque.

    10. When it comes to chocolate, resistance is futile.

    11. Make peace with your past so it won’t screw up the
    present.

    12. It’s OK to let your children see you cry.

    13. Don’t compare your life to others. You have no idea what
    their journey is all about.

    14. If a relationship has to be a secret, you shouldn’t be
    in it.

    15. Everything can change in the blink of an eye.

    The list is long but I thought at least the first 15 were worth sharing:)

  • Rodger T

    And another child dies at the hands of those whose responsibility it is to protect and nurture her.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11383544

  • rantykiwi

    Are we taking bets on whether the Wellington Council IT systems upgrade costs will blow out of control and that it will run over time? Everything so far points to a repeat of the Auckland fiasco – 120 disparate systems, a single 2nd tier provider being chosen, and it being run by a pack of local government muppets.

  • DangerMice
  • ex-JAFA

    I’ve been watching “ANZAC Girls” (Prime) and “The Crimson Field” (TV1), both about WW1 nursing in the field. I couldn’t help but be struck by just how very different the shows are. I know they’re dramatisations, not necessarily closely based on reality, but I still couldn’t believe my eyes and ears.

    In “ANZAC Girls”, we have young women from (our) far side of the world going to nurse their boys’ terrible injuries, many of them finding love. They desperately want to make a worthwhile contribution, and work around the clock with no idea when or if they’ll ever get home. Their men are slaughtered in their thousands.

    Meanwhile, “The Crimson Field” seems to show self-serving career nurses with their own agendas, having a comparatively jolly old time in France – and able to regularly nip home or at least to civilisation on leave between dalliances. Their soldiers’ biggest problems seemed to be cowardice, homosexuality and relatively mild mental breakdowns.

    Has anyone else noticed this marked difference in the nurses’ experiences? Or am I watching them with prejudice from the colonies?

    • Woody

      We agree with you regarding “ANZAC Girls” but have yet to watch The Crimson Field”. We were hoping for a similar experience with that but may not be so.

      • ex-JAFA

        Watch it anyway, Woody. It’s not a bad miniseries at all. It’s just that the characters’ priorities and issues are so very different.

        • Woody

          The different priorities between the different countries nurses has also been touched on in ANZAC Girls. It seems from the portrayal of attitude there that the nurses attitude was right in line with the respective army units they served. NZ and Aus much more focussed on getting the job done rather than focussing on being seen to be being correct at all times.

          • dgrogan

            And yet for that very reason, The Crimson Field is by far the better drama of the two, IMO.

  • Sally

    Just read this. Will always bear this mind from now on when WO is attacked by those of the left.

    Freedom of expression is absolute or it is nothing at all. It cannot be parcelled out so that we are only free at particular times or in specific circumstances. That’s how it becomes a privilege rather than a right. That’s how the self-appointed guardians get to decide what is and isn’t acceptable.
    Quote from Bill Durodie, The Conservation
    http://theconversation.com/charlie-hebdo-offends-and-we-must-defend-its-right-to-do-so-35976

    • Cadwallader

      Yes precisely! Always remember freedom of the individual is indivisible no matter whether it is in the forum of expression or action. The sole rein to this is the question: Will my exercise of freedom impinge on, or destroy, another’s freedom?

      • Sally

        I was just to about to add that I found this on the Herald website. Pretty ironic considering how some of their journalists attacked Cam and tried to shut down his freedom of speech and in turn ours.

      • dgrogan

        Although freedom of expression or action is NOT the same as freedom of speech. What I say – as opposed to how I express it, or what I actually do can be two entirely different things.
        Not only that, but there will be times when exercising my freedom of expression or action to impinge on and destroy another’s freedom is THE moral option.

        Edit: typo

        • Cadwallader

          If you are saying the “moral option” is to defend freedom then I agree with you, otherwise I reiterate, freedom is indivisible.

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