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  • Korau

    Words of the day

    misogyny (noun) – Mistrust or hatred of women

    misogynist (noun) – One who hates or mistrusts women

    Sources : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Misogyny
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misogynist

    • Synonym: Islamist

    • Monty Bank

      Antonym
      Misandry

      1. hatred of men
      [C20: from Greek, from miso- + -andria, from anēr man]
      misˈandrist n, adj misˈandrous adj

    • Wallace Westland

      I refuse to be called a misogynist. The use of the word miss offends me as I’m male. Therefore I’m a masterogynist thank you very much! :)

    • Mikex

      Your choice of word does not make sense. Everyone knows the meaning of misogynist , the feminists harp on about it ad nauseum.
      How about more air time for “misandry” which of course doesnt exist.
      Or even ” masculinist” and thats not allowed either.

      • Korau

        I hear your pain, Mikex. The word tomorrow is especially for you.

        • Mikex

          Thanks Korau, I think. Of course being thankful depends on your choice of word for me…… ;-)

  • Aucky

    What’s with the police harassing Auckland’s new cab company, Uber? Their cabs are being stopped and passengers evicted because of a vague licensing law about agreeing on fares. Cab drivers facing $10000 fines. The police should be protecting Auckland’s citizens and their property and not as I suspect acting as enforcers in Auckland’s entrenched taxi companies private jihad against a very worthy competitor.

    • Stuarts.burgers

      If Uber drivers were acting correctly in that they either set the price of the fare or an hourly rate at the start of the journey no problem, there are a number of “Private Hire” drivers who do this and is type of operation is covered in the law.
      If you want to use a meter to determine the fare then you come other other parts of the transport act, which cover “Taxis” .
      Uber it seems wants it both wants the relaxed form of regulation as per the “Private Hire” rules but to be able to use a meter with out being covered by the “Taxi” rules.

      Take it to court and get a ruling, if you do not like the ruling then either appeal or lobby the government to change the rules.

      • Aucky

        But the customers love the Uber system and I think that’s the problem for the existing cab companies. This is a commercial matter and does not need an overstretched taxpayer-funded police force to sort it out.

        • dumbshit

          the “uber” system worked well in the Sydney siege, quite a few people took a “hair-cut” I beleive

          • Aucky

            Their choice. They knew that the going rate was $100. No one forced them into the Uber cab. Aussies will be Aussies.

        • peterwn

          It is no longer a commercial matter when aggrieved Uber users start demanding that ‘the Government do something about it’ as will invariably happen.

          • Disinfectant

            If you have been a Uber user and you are aggrieved, then don’t use them again.
            You will still have other choices – like taxis, shuttles and buses.
            How simple is that.

          • peterwn

            People do not think like that, they go screaming off to the authorities.

          • Aucky

            What aggrieved users? Uber is hugely popular in Auckland and I guess therein lies the real heart of the problem. If Co-op or Alert want to take Uber to court that’s fine by me but don’t utilise public resources to do their work for them. It seems to be one cop that is largely involved – what’s the story behind that I wonder.

        • Stuarts.burgers

          So if they love it they should be happy if it operates to the rules, at present it seems it does not.
          I accept that Urber and it drivers are professionals but if they drive a cart and horse through the law then you open it up to all sorts of operator, I am sure we all have stories of dodgy taxis driver taking the long way etc, what sort of Cowboys will turn if the rules are not enforced.

      • Disinfectant

        I once sought to set up a taxi business operating from 8.00 am to 5.00 pm.
        However NZTA would not permit it. I asked them why not. Their reply was that it would be unfair on existing taxi operators as they operated 24 hour services.
        My response to all this was that the incumbents chose to operate 24 hours and no one forced them to. I also pointed out that NZTA were interfering in the market by protecting the incumbents and that was not their role.

        • Stuarts.burgers

          Did you look at “Private Hire” rules you could have operated under them, yes there is no hail provision or taxi ranks available, under “Private Hire” just call the operator and and agree the job, but also no need to provide 24 hours service.

    • peterwn

      A taxi operator has to have a car to a high standard (more stringent than ordinary WOF), a security camera, a driver with a P licence (healthy, more stringent eyesight requirement, the ‘knowledge’ and no significant criminal record) and be part of a group providing a 24/7 service. If someone suffers at the hands of a Uber operator, there will be demands for the police and government to do something about it. They have – by setting standards for a taxi service – which the community has expected right back to the days of horse drawn cabs in London.

      • Platinum Fox

        “The knowledge” has been rare in Auckland for years, especially among the smaller cab companies, and even more so since GPS became available.

      • Dave

        In the early 90’s the taxi act was being reviewed and possibly being opened up to competition, there had been multiple complaints about unworthy drivers and behaviour. If I recall correctly, the minister responsible arrived home from a late night flight, and jumped into a Taxi, after trying to explain the driver jumped out and uttered “you drive” I believe this changed the outcomes! And you are correct, taxi and shuttle drivers require a Passenger Services license, a higher class of license, more regular tests and checks and vehicles must pass a much more stringent COF. I have no problems with uber, but let’s keep the playing field level and ensure they meet the same standards.

    • Just a thought …

      And imagine if the cab was also doing 1kph over the speed limit at the time. That would justify an armed offenders call-out………

  • sarahmw

    Stuff again shows me that the MSM has no clue. Headline: Most wanted woman has fleed France. Should it not be ‘fled’? Aaaaarrgh! Would have thought the basic was important if you wanted to be a journalist, well you would think but obviously not.

    • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

      Do they not get the annoying red line under miss spelt words like I seem to get all the time. Hell, you can get grammar assistance now as well so no excuses. I guess we should just be happy that it isn’t all text abbreviations.

    • Albert Lane

      She probably took her fleas with her. It’s interesting that she was Algerian-born and her surname is Boumedienne (spelling?) Wasn’t that the surname of an overthrown Algerian dictator? I wonder if she’s related.

  • Murray Smith

    MSM appears to be very scared to poke sticks into the bee’s hive, for fear of angry retaliation. Stupid or sensical ? If the problem is a plague of angry bees about to be released, then maybe avoidance may be the best action until we all have our bee suits on ?

    • Just a thought …

      So let’s look at the 2 options.

      1, do / say nothing and ignore the obvious threat and Islam will attempt to overrun and kill us as infidels anyway.

      2, challenge the obvious threat and Islam will attempt to overrun and kill us as infidels anyway

      Hmmmm – this suggests we had better get our act together as Islam has only one course of action they will follow whatever we attempt to do……… making all of the current posturing / handringing largely irrelevant .

      I for one would much rather go down swinging……

    • Tom

      Well maybe if the bees don’t like it they could return to the hive they came from.

      • Murray Smith

        Very little chance of that happening.

    • 1951

      I think for those in London, Amsterdam the like, option 2 would be the wisest. The amount of personal the French got onto the streets in such a short time was quite staggering. I hope the Brits would be prepared to throw everything into the mix like they did.

  • johcar
    • Yes, we’s been calling it like it is for years, but not many would listen unfortunately.

  • johcar

    Sonny Bill Williams is a popular role model (for some). He is also a Muslim.

    Where does he stand on these latest atrocities? Does he support or condemn them?

    • LinkinHawk

      Yes would love to know were ole Sonny Bill stands in regard to his child molesting prophet and saviour

      • InnerCityDweller

        While we’re at it, why not ask every Catholic in sport about pedophile priests? I know, not terrorists but still…

    • taurangaruru

      Why are you interested? He is paid to play rugby that is all. I am sick of sports stars & music stars etc pontificating on all things, trying to be relevant i.e. the likes of Lucy Lawless. Further – did we ask All Black Catholics like Bernie McCahill where they stood re the IRA back in the 1980s?
      SBW’s focus should be to win the RWC, bring that home & I couldn’t care less if it was revealed he was a ladyboy.

      • johcar

        The world was a different place in the 1980’s and the IRA are/were kitty cats compared to these Muslim terrorists, so bringing up Bernie and the IRA is hardly a valid comparison….

        I’m interested because he is a role model (of sorts – popular anyway) for the young and impressionable. This is an ideal opportunity to use his ‘fame’ and influence to do some good (provided he does not support the terrorists, of course).

        But I suspect he will toe the line of other so-called ‘moderate’ Muslims and all we will hear is a deafening silence….

        Can/should we assume his tacit support for the terrorists if he says nothing??

        (As an aside, SBW’s focus is spread a bit thin these days, what with new daughter, league, boxing AND rugby)

        • taurangaruru

          Sorry cannot agree, the IRA along with ETA were the “preeminent” terror organisations of their day & many All Blacks were Catholics – but we didn’t chase them for their stance like you suggest we should with SBW. I am no cheerleader for SBW but am heartily sick of these so called role models. Role models should be a lot closer to home than some bloke taking his shirt off showing his muscles & earning a million bucks for doing so.

        • Bluemanning

          It would be interesting to hear his opinion about the current situation and why he apparently converted to Islam in 2008 whilst playing in France.

  • Isherman

    I’m sure that like the Iranian project, this is all just for completely peaceful civilian purposes, that’s why you keep these things quiet (or try to) and bury them inside mountains, like every other civilian nuclear facility the world over isn’t..looks like the IAF F-15’s and 16’s will be stretching their wings again before too long.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/evidence-points-to-syria-still-working-on-a-nuclear-weapon-a-1012209.html

    • Wasapilot

      Thanks for posting this Isherman. A right ol’ mess with the coalition by default helping assad against isis, assad building a bomb, and IAF wanting to bomb assad.

  • hbboy

    I see Stuff’s current headline is “Shot dead by police” i.e. the incompetent cops, while over-reacting to the Sydney siege, carelessly shot one of the hostages. This is the same as “Police chase kills innocent pedestrian”.
    I can think of more appropriate headlines but they wouldn’t create as many clicks on Stuff’s website.

  • MaryLou

    Just to bring a moments focus to what’s happening in our own communities, it seems the recent slight nudge up in milk prices is too little too late for some. Suicide amongst farmers has spiked in December: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11384751

  • Wheninrome

    Paradise, heaven, my perception when I wake up and look out the window to another glorious day.
    An Islamist view of paradise, heaven, strap on a suicide vest and enter the promised land with all its rewards.
    The difference being I know for a fact that when I wake each day paradise is still there.
    Islamists assume, because they have been told “brainwashed” that paradise awaits upon their dying.
    Knowing is better than assuming.

  • caochladh

    Could this be the ultimate “dog box” at the bottom of the garden? http://www.superstarlifestyle.com/this-house-is-tiny-but-wait-until-you-see-whats-inside-so-impressive/

  • dgrogan

    There are none so blind, as those who will not see…

  • Alright

    A 54 year old woman had a heart attack and was taken to hospital..

    While on the operating table she had a near death experience. Seeing God she
    asked “Is my time up?”

    God said, “No, you have another 43 years, 2 months and 8 days to
    live.”

    Upon recovery, the woman decided to stay in the hospital and have
    a face-lift, liposuction, breast implants and a tummy tuck.

    She even had someone come in and change her hair colour and brighten
    her teeth! Since she had so much more time to live, she figured she
    might as well make the most of it.

    After her last operation, she was released from the hospital. But crossing the street on her way home, she was killed by an ambulance.

    Arriving in front of God, she demanded, “I thought you said I had another 43 years? Why didn’t you pull me from out of the path of the ambulance?”

    God replied: “I didn’t recognize you.”

  • Will Travers

    Ever wonder why Abu Hamza changed his name? His real name is Mustafa Kamel!! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11384753 He obviously got the hump.

  • Alright

    So the cheese eating surrender monkeys show their type and style. Again.

    From the MSM: “The least surprising thing about yesterday’s turn of events in Paris
    is that Jews are the target. Because when it comes to home-grown anti-Semitism, France leads the world.”

    “A survey last year from the European Jewish Congress and Tel Aviv University found that France had more violent anti-Semitic incidents in 2013 than any other country in the world. Jews were the target of 40 per cent of all racist crimes in France in 2013 – even though they comprise less than 1 per cent of the population. Attacks on Jews have risen sevenfold since the Nineties.”

    Here’s the thing: there are (apparently) 400,000 Jews in France (100,000 have left in the past year or two. There are (reportedly) 5 million Muslims.

    I’d leave too.

    And in regard to world support for France in-light of recent events I have another view: France is getting the bitter harvest it planted.

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