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  • George

    I heard the news overnight of the slaughter of 2, 000 Nigerians, mostly women and children in Baga, carried out by the Boko Haram radical Muslim terrorists over the last couple of days. The only reason I was made aware of this was by veiwing the Al Jazeear’s news channel. I expected some reference to this atrocity from our local msm and I’m still waiting.
    What I did hear though, on ZB, was a statement by Richard Jackson, Professor of Peace Studies (what ever the hell that means) from the University of Otago state that our government is over reacting (with reference to the French terrorist attact) when claiming these terrorist cells could be established in NZ. Now that’s real news! While the professor of peace studies is singing “Give Peace a Chance” with all the other socialist peaceniks, terrorist continue to slaughter thousands of innocent victims. Our msm however considers prioritising the opinion of this professor over the reporting of the atrocity in Nigeria! It is little wonder our msm are so maligned.

    • Aucky

      Norman, Jackson, Locke, Buchanan & their fellow travellers plus the MSM have painted themselves into a bit of a corner by prematurely attacking the PM for rushing through urgent interim legislation to upgrade security measures prior to Christmas. Subsequent outrages have proved that the PM was 100% justified in doing what he did and the vast majority of the country will back him. If Little has any political nous he will upgrade Labour’s very reserved (and reluctant) support of the Government’s security initiative to 100% backing. Score yourself some points Andy!

      Oh, the embarassment.

      • OneTrack

        They are keeping a very low profile. Still on holiday? Or sitting on a beach with their heads in a petroleum-based plastic bucket, sticking their head in the sand while uttering the hadiths of their religion. (multi-culturalism will work here, multi-culturalism will work here, we just need more hugs, ….. and repeat)

      • Just a thought …

        Yes looking forward to the first question time in Parliament.

        Question 1. Russel Norman to the Prime Minister :

        Does the Prime Minister agree that although thousands of people are being killed by muslim extremists around the world and raising a real threat to NZ’s national security, the main issue that New Zealanders want answered is ” WHY ” does the PM delete his texts ………..

      • Just a thought …

        Also the left numpties aren’t smart enough to realise that if they stood side by side with the Government over national security and didn’t oppose everything because they think that is what they are supposed to do , they would gain a huge amount of Kudos , support and maybe even some votes.
        Surely they realise that just because you are called the opposition it does not mean you have to by ” default” oppose everything the government does …….

        • RockinBob625

          Amen to that. Help create a working solution that you can point to, and say WE negotiated that. It worked for Key on the smacking bill, made him look more statesman-like.

    • Imogen B

      It was on Prime news 6pm last night

    • Whafe

      Shockingon all levels, it is mind blowing checking on stats on terrorist attacks, prolific, yet those whom reply on the MSM (Pffftttt) have no clue what so ever as to anything that is happening…
      Richard Jackson, wake up, you are doing the opposite to providing valid information, you are hiding what is really happening!

    • Richard

      It was on the news last night, but they continued to refer to Boko Horam as “extremists”.

    • Kopua Cowboy

      I still remember how the kidnapping of the girls was mentioned in only a very few places, and only very briefly, until Twitter got a hold of the story ~3 days after the fact. After this, it was all outraged feminists, with nary a mention of the many men and boys killed by Boko Haram before this!

  • STAG

    I see the Socialists in charge of ChCh council are determined to exert their communist influence with a suggestion that rate payers mow parks and maintain gardens.

    Unbelievable arrogance from the mayor, she wanted the job, said she could do it better and now the realities of the situation hits home she is completely out matched as a career on the public teat doesn’t prepare you to manage so the easy answer is to abdicated your responsibility.

    Pathetic.

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      She should personally mow the first park: Hagley park would be a great example that might then inspire other rate payers to then take up their lawnmowers. Do as I say, not as I do me thinks!

      • STAG

        With a push mower.

        I hate the Left.

        • Curious

          I noticed this this morning and asked my husband why is it we keep electing people to council who think they are the arts minister not the head of janitorial services.
          I am afraid as long as we keep electing people who talk about spending our money on the next big thing not saying how they plan to save us money we will keep getting ideas like this.

          • Aucky

            It’s obviously a lot more prestigious to have your name on a bronze plaque on a new performing arts centre than to have a ride-on mower named after you. Dalziel might claim to be a socialist but she’d give her right arm for a damehood (“oh, but I’m just accepting it on behalf of all the hardworking councillors and staff”)

        • ex-JAFA

          Preferably a blunt one.

      • Cadwallader

        I suspect that she is sufficiently bovine to eat the grass. We’d need the Nat’s to return to CHCH to clean up the excrement though.

      • LesleyNZ

        The guy who mows Hagley Park would never let

  • Blue

    “Scores march in Paris” headline on Stuff, even though news on TV are talking a million plus, bit of a difference.

    • conwaycaptain

      And when our terrorist cuddling lefties march it is Thousands march down Queen Street when there are a couple of hundred.

    • Ginny

      Maybe the trained and skilled journalist does not know that a score is 20?

      • ex-JAFA

        Ha ha, an adult niece recently noted that it was 144 days until [something]. I said “that’s gross”, and she couldn’t work out why I was so disgusted.

    • intelligentes candida diva

      Al Jazeera says a million

      • Bazza63

        The sword is mightier than the pen. It is the sword that creates the freedom for the pen to work.

        • Mark

          You would think this would be getting thru by now,you need to be holding up a pen with a Glock in your back pocket.

    • El Jorge

      They must be reading WOBH, it has now been changed to millions.
      Muppets!

  • Korau

    Word of the day

    choleric (adj) – Extremely irritable or easily angered; irascible.

    Source : http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/choleric
    Two different pronunciations.

    • Reaper

      And one of the Four Temperaments.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_temperaments: “sanguine (pleasure-seeking and sociable), choleric (ambitious and leader-like), melancholic (analytical and quiet), and phlegmatic (relaxed and peaceful)”.

      • Korau

        Like many ideas, this comes from ancient Greece,

        “The idea of the four temperaments traces back to the Ancient Greek
        medical theory of the four humours, which held that there were four
        fundamental bodily humours (blood, yellow bile, black bile, and phlegm)
        and that illness was caused by an imbalance in these. The terms
        sanguine, choleric, melancholic and phlegmatic were coined by the Greek
        physician Aelius Galenus to describe the effect of the humours on
        personality. ”

        Source : http://personality-testing.info/tests/O4TS/

        The Greeks were prolific with producing ideas. Another was the nine muses.

    • Mikex

      Wrong word again Korau, in my candid opinion Sagacious would be more accurate.

  • steve and monique

    See Rupert Murdoch tweeted that all Muslim’s should be held responsible for all their jihadist action. Well that is the headline in the Herald, but the tweet is a little different.

  • Ilovelife

    I cannot comprehend the mentality of people who would strap bombs to 10 year old girls. What sort of sick world do we live in?

    • STAG

      When you view your existence as a burden to be hurried though to reach paradise, then it’s almost a kindness to spare the child the drudgery of living her life.

      Swine.

      • OneTrack

        Why didn’t the sicko who sent the little girl do the job himself then, and take a quick trip to get his virgins.

        • STAG

          His is the burden to remain behind and continue the selfless sacrifices of sending others on in his stead, he’s a hero really.

          They are animals.

        • Bunter

          They are probably running out of virgins so have to replenish the stock

  • Hard1

    Spin, PC and fear all mixed up make wonderful reading. For the first time this year, speed was not a factor. It was a rock!
    “Rock suspected in Shotover jet boat crash”
    “Shotover Jet said it could not identify “any specific or obvious” cause of the crash on Saturday.” I can. The boat hit a rock that the operator was unaware of.

    “We have comprehensive driver training systems and processes to ensure they’re all qualified to a level that is well above industry standards.

    “Safety and compliance take top priority at all times.

    “Obviously, in this case something did go wrong, and we’re working alongside the authorities to identify what that was and put measures in place to ensure where possible it doesn’t happen again,” Scott said.

    What a load of tosh. Racing around in a river, sometimes you are going to hit a rock.

    • Ginny

      One cannot rely on nature to keep rocks out of the path of a speeding jet boat. Nature rules.

      • Hard1

        Rogue rock?

        • Aucky

          Crisis in the tourist industry?

          • sarahmw

            Ban all rocks, tourists will have to have a ‘rock’ test. Crisis averted phew.

    • Aucky

      To be fair Shotover Jet has an outstanding safety record given the massive volumes of tourists that they carry – way way more than Queenstown’s other tourist icon operated by A J Hackett. This isn’t their first ding and probably won’t be the last given the nature of the business. I’m just waiting for the MSM to pitch in demanding another enquiry into the safety aspects of our adventure tourism industry given the recent Taupo parachuting incident and that as the PM is Minister for Tourism a golden opportunity to slip a swift knife in between the ribs.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    It is moving viewing as the leaders link arms, of course there is the opportunity to be cynical bit I have not seen such an impromptu gathering of leaders unless it is the death of a leader and not where they have linked arms so freedom of expressions is the winner not murderers for this moment

    • 1951

      The leaders wanted to be there but it is the absolute strength of the people that has made it happen. Wonderful.

    • bristol

      It beggars belief that Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas had the effrontery to show up. After all, the PA regularly glorifies terrorism by naming streets and squares after murderous scumbags who’ve conducted acts in the same vein as the Charlie Hebdo killers.

    • Rocket

      icd – Thank you for jogging the aging memory for the name of that emotion I felt when I too saw those demos – Cynicism.

  • sarahmw

    This is unprecedented what is happening in Paris, millions of people coming together. All in solidarity,showing their abhorrence at what has happened here in France. Amazing to see world leaders coming together, Jewish and Muslim at the Synagogue,let it be the way forward.Maybe this is the tipping on which way it will go. But I fear not, boko haram are committing terrorist attacks and using a 10yr old child as a suicide bomber killing over 2000 people.The Muslim man who shepherded Jewish people into the refrigerator and saved them has been widely reported. Is he the tolerant face of Islam, Muslims holding up signs Je suis Jewish. Maybe the world will wake-up now. As for the nz msm groannnnn, not even at the starting gate. Turned on ZB Jack tame in for hosking, turned off. Gone to CNN again. I wonder how serious nz media is to major world events? In the US 9/11 bought all the key people on air,some where on holiday they came back because that was their job. Obviously holidays are more important.
    Je Suis Freed!

    • intelligentes candida diva

      2 more children > girls have been blown up as suicide bombers since the 10 year old in Nigeria. It is nothing short of evil what is happening there. Im truly astounded I have tried to get my head around how a parent, any family member or any adult could do that to a child.
      Its a disgrace to humanity and I am disgusted at the level these mongrels are stooping to in Nigeria and I so would love to be alone with whomever was responsible power in numbers sure but cowardly cringing scum if alone I bet

      • sarahmw

        Agree. But we are dealing with a psych that is not rational. No one is exempt not even family or children. It matters not who is killed ,it just means they are closer to the goal of world domination . That is what they believe and because we are relatively rational people we can never understand it.

      • Cowgirl

        We have truly crossed the rubicon now that children have become fair game.

      • ex-JAFA

        If Allah demands it, who are the parents to question or resist?

  • HR

    On the MSM again, and that awful woman Andrea Vance; I have noticed that when she writes an “article” Stuff does not enable comments lately. Perhaps she can dish it out but can’t take it, eh?

    • TSD

      And using words like “chilling”… A touch emotive.
      P.S. Do you think MSM actually knows the election result? If so they don’t seem to understand what it mean’t about NZ’s lack of gullibility in the face of dirty politics.

      • Cadwallader

        Your PS question is probably correct. Perhaps it is time for the last General Election results to be published again…maybe every week for the rest of this year just to impress the outcome on the left who labour under the apprehension of their continued relevance. (I have just noticed that hidden in my sentence are the words “labour” and “vance.” This is unnerving.)

        • HR

          Yes, you have used Labour and Vance in the same sentence, but you haven’t bagged John Key or used the word “Chilling”, and there is a comments section, so I’m thinking you’ll be okay!

  • Chiefsfan73

    Once upon a time in decent civilised and democratic societies rules existed which prevented citizens from acting with impunity, but allowed for them to speak and express with such. It seems with our liberal judiciary and the media and political response to recent events in Paris, the reverse is now true.

    • dgrogan

      Yes. It’s Political Correctness – and it leads the wests’ leaders to appeasement like this:

      Hollande – “these mad men, these fanatics, have nothing to do with the Muslim religion”.

      Obama – “the future does not belong to those who slander the Prophet?”

      George W Bush – “The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace”.

      • Eiselmann

        Our political leaders have gone from…………..

        Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old……..
        to…..
        ‘The future does not belong to those who slander the phophet’
        The west ladies and gentlemen ….is in trouble

        • Huia

          I agree, but isn’t Barak Mohammed Obama and Islamic name? maybe he really is a sleeper or a closet Muslim. It seems to me only a supporter would issue a statement like that.

  • Hard1

    A. Vance writes “Discrimination against the 1.1 million people of New Zealand who identify as disabled will become part of the HRC’s purview”.
    That’s a huge number. One in four people are disabled in New Zealand. This does not bode well for the future.

    • dumbshit

      that’s about the same number that vote labour!

      • Just a thought …

        No – it’s about the same number of the labour voters who can’t be bothered getting out of bed to vote………. the missing million.

        • Cadwallader

          The “missing millions” weren’t voters but individual’s brain-cells.

          • Just a thought …

            And they aren’t missing. We know exactly were they are. They are either in bed or at the WINZ office …..

          • Cadwallader

            I warn you not to listen to Little Angry on the other thread otherwise you’ll get a good day’s sleep in bed too.

        • dumbshit

          probably a bit hungry as well!

    • Curious

      The devil is in the definition of disabled as in the figures include many of our aged citizens who in no way would call themselves disabled.

      • Cadwallader

        Wouldn’t it now include the morbidly obese?

      • Hard1

        Here are the stats
        file:///C:/Users/paul/Downloads/2013-disabilty-survey-key-findings-brochure-A3.pdf

        • parorchestia

          Your absolutely right though I had to download the pdf from the official site! I feel left out not being disabled at my age.
          What sort of country are we? Are we so sickly and ill? Or is it a rort? Maybe I feel a disabling pain in the butt coming on. To whom do I apply for a benefit, not ever having had one?

          • Hard1

            I know mate, that’s one quarter of NZ. Flipping mind boggling.

    • jcpry

      So 25% of the population identifies as disabled? That means for every three people you see there is a fourth one that is not visible that is disabled.
      Sound like total bollocks or a very generous description of disabled.
      Parking the the supermarket is going to be impossible!

      • mommadog

        I think there is a very generous description. I may be wrong but when they started toughening up on those collecting unemployment benefits I thought I read where a percentage moved over to the disability benefit. I have vague recollections of Paula Bennett saying something about getting people on the right benefit. She was taking enough flack for getting tough on long term unemployment. The government is not brave enough to look at changing the definition of disabled to separate those who truly are and those who say there back is too sore to go to work, tick from GP and benefit in the bank.

        • Wallace Westland

          That was Helen Clarks trick. To show a lowering of unemployment Clark and co moved a huge number of them onto other benefits.
          Bennett was referring to moving them back off invalids and disability benefits and back onto the unemployment where they belonged so they could then be hounded into work.

          • I.M Bach

            I have two mates who were put on disability benefits, one has a pacemaker and other had some sort of treatable spine cancer. Both thought it was wrong and are back in the workforce.

          • Wallace Westland

            Yes but that comes as no real surprise. The reality is most people tend to surround themselves with similar types of people therefore it stands to reason that a keen WO contributor would likely have mates that value work for all of it’s good points.
            Not just income but also friendships, sense of purpose and achievement and of course pride in doing your job and doing it well.
            Those people will never stay on a benefit unless there was no other option. Of course that is the reason benefits exist in the first place.

    • mommadog

      Has she counted in the fat people who will want to follow Europe and be classified as disabled or are the numbers going to be even bigger if and when that happens?

    • Mark

      Explains why there are so many disabled parks at shops,they really are all needed!

  • sarahmw

    Just reported, 1.5 million in Paris and 3million over France came out in solidarity together. Andrea Vance give me a break, no idea.

    • bristol

      For a meaningful demonstration of solidarity, everyone attending the
      anti-terror unity rally should have been handed an A3 size placard
      prominently featuring the Charlie Hebdo ‘Mohammed’ cartoons. For the
      obligatory photo ops, all the brave ‘leaders’ could then have been
      filmed proudly holding their placards chest high. Flying pigs, anyone?

      • sarahmw

        It is now beyond that. What is happening now is the people coming out in solidarity and showing they are not afraid. A Muslim woman holding a sign declaring Je suis Jewish says more than holding up the cartoons now. Jew and Muslim together inside the Synagogue says more. We are now seeing the reply to the terrorist attacks by the sheer numbers of people in unity against them. Not Afraid!

        • bristol

          Not afraid? Two days ago on WO we were pointed in the direction of this…

          It’s no longer about the ‘cartoons’.

          • sarahmw

            Not Afraid refers to the people coming together after this horrific attack. Mark Steyn is correct in what he says. I am afraid for what is to come.

  • JC

    According to religionofpeace there have now been over 28,000 deadly terror attacks by Muslims since 9/11.

    If this keeps up it’ll become a trend.

    JC

    • intelligentes candida diva

      It is already a trend and rolling in faster than an incoming tide
      Coveted war fare it is and needs to be dealt with by the military forces in each country as such and not to be just as a criminal Police matter

    • Chiefsfan73

      28,000 lone wolf rogues doth not a trend make. Tui anyone?

    • friardo

      That trend started a long, long time ago, like all trends it fluctuated in influence over the centuries. I have no faith that any government or military will take this on before it is too late, somehow private enterprise has to do it, starting with Anonymous it seems. If you are a hacker out there you could do worse disrupt their communications. Others should simply stop trading with anyone remotely Islamic. The more pressure is put on the moderate Muslims to rein in their wild ones the better. Action has to start somewhere and it doesn’t have to be perfect-it just has to influence, and starve them of resources.

      • Primrose

        Here is a quote that it was a threat way back.

        Winston Churchill 1899: “Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

        • Primrose

          Further to the above quote also from Churchill.

          How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

          A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

          Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

  • Soleman

    Interesting small piece in our local Hawkes Bay Today this morning. It seems that “the wife of an al-Qaeda lynchpin who mentored the Charlie Hebdo murderers is living on benefits in Leicester after deciding that France was too strict on Muslims. Sylvie Beghal, a French citizen, lives rent free after she moved to the UK with her children in search of a more ‘Islamic environment’.”
    I guess that explains the reason for much of the problems over there. It’s the last couple of words that wound me up and if I lived in the UK, I would be really concerned.

    • Cadwallader

      “A more Islamic environment” says a lot doesn’t it? I suppose the nearest thing to that in NZ is the Greenie caucus meeting room?

    • Sally

      What about this? The preacher who allegedly radicalised the Charlie Hebdo killers was working as a Nurse Intern at the A&E Hospital where the victims of the killings were taken.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905278/Preacher-radicalised-Charlie-Hebdo-killers-nursing-intern-duty-E-unit-victims-hospital.html

    • Cowgirl

      It’s a scary thought that the UK is now considered an ‘Islamic environment’!

    • Eiselmann

      I’ve got family in England that have had to move out of towns because their neighbourhood has become impossible to live in ….the house my father was born in (and this was from ten years ago) is in the middle of a no go zone for non muslim’s. And as bad as that is by all accounts its worse in parts of Birmingham , Bradford (which is call Bradfordistan-where children get beaten by muslim gangs for collecting on poppy day) and parts of London.
      Give it 30 years and you to might have to sell your family home because of the Mosque next door. .and the fifty muslim families nearby-talk about the neighbours from hell.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    No work for me today took day off, feels good
    http://youtu.be/ItBrtovQFCM

  • Cadwallader

    I have previously had the debate elsewhere about the lives of the few Islamos who live in Japan. Does anyone here know whether Islamos are able to own property or businesses in Japan? Do their mosques operate openly? etc… My understanding has always been that Islam is nothing more than a marginal organization in Japan.

    • conwaycaptain

      Cadwallader
      In Japan most people practice two religions!!! Buddhism and Shinto. Christianity is tiny in Japan and I would think that Islam would be even smaller.
      There are Christian Churches in Japan so would assume that there are mosques as long as there are enough members of the religion to use them
      As for businesses many foreigners run businesses in Japan so have no reason to think that Muslims don’t

      • Cadwallader

        Thanks. The other party to the debate seemed to think that Japanese hold a mistrust for Islamos. Not without foundation I expect.

      • parorchestia

        In Japan I have seen proud parents of newborn children taking them from shrine to shrine of all religions for blessing just to make sure they got all bases covered for their little precious bundles. And it is common in Asia that one temple will house a number of religions. Exclusivity seems to be restricted to those religions that originated in the Middle East. But even Islam used to be tolerant until about the 14th Century – all during the time when Christianity was anything but tolerant. Spain was tolerant and prosperous under Islamic rule but deteriorated to murderous oppression and ethnic cleansing against Jews and Muslims when the Christians achieved mastery. Many people in oppressive Islamic regimes desperately want their countries to be free, secular, liberal, and tolerant. But they dare not deviate from the enforced religious line. Expect great changes for the better once the old guard of religious fanatics die off and women achieve more power.

    • Aucky

      185,000 currently projected to drop to 170,000 by 2030. There’s a stack of info on Google.

      • Cadwallader

        Thanks. It is good to see such healthy “growth” for Islam in japan. I wish NZ could report similar developments.
        One thing about visiting WO is that you learn something with every visit. I propose a compulsory high school subject: “Whale Oil Studies.” Initially 3 hours per day then growing to full-time. It would outfit children for the modern world perfectly. Trouble is the Teachers’ Union would object to the loss of 15 hours per week presently spent in Haka Practice.

  • Cowgirl

    Bit of an emotional day today as my brother has sent through pictures from France of the grave of our Great Great Uncle, who died there in WWI. He has then gone to Paris to participate in the Unity March. Seems a fitting thing to do after visiting the grave of someone who fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy today. The struggle to maintain those freedoms continues today.

    • conwaycaptain

      Also remember the many thousands of British and French Colonial troops that died as well.. Indian, Algerian etc etc

    • Kopua Cowboy

      Lest we forget. Our freedoms are bought and paid for with the blood of our young men- and it appears it is a never ending cost we have to pay.

      • Cowgirl

        “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance”, so they say.

  • crosstherubicon

    All this coming together in France means nothing. All sound bites and platitudes by ‘so called’ leaders of the free world,but tomorrow back to the big business of appeasement of the religion of peace. The only man for me who is really a world leader in the whole show of fakery is Benjamin Netenyahu. He’s the only one who loves his country and people and will truly defend it for all he’s worth. The quisling Cameron and Hollande are no marks cowards who let this happen in their respective countries due to fear of offending Muslims.
    Britain is in a real mess that the government denies, and still promotes Islam above and beyond any other religions to appease it. We have Anjem Choudary and many more preaching their hate on the TV screens and on the street and nothing ever happens to him. If it were someone white preaching anti Islamic sentiment he’d be sure to be arrested and made an example of, and would the BBC and MSM be on board too.
    The west is weak in the face of radical Islam, Islam itself as they are perpetually offended by anything and everything and demand our governments change things to suite them, and they do every time.
    In the UK Islamists are allowed to fly the ISIS flags off their cars and carry them in the streets with impunity as they truly have the freedoms of speech that they are actively trying to destroy for everyone else. At the same time indigenous Brits are arrested for making the slightest comment against Muslims for inciting racial and religious hatred. This is the double standards and cowardice shown by the UK government and one of the reasons there’s a rise in the far right to stop this madness.
    The west has hamstrung itself via political correctness for fear of being labelled racist or Islamophobic.
    And our enemies, the enemies of freedom ‘Islam’ itself capitalizes on how weak we are.
    Like I said Paris and the march for solidarity will come to nothing, it truly means nothing as the western governments, especially the USA won’t and can’t even bring itself to say Islamic terrorism. If it carries on like this then the west is doomed when the leader (The president of the USA) refuses to even call it what it is.
    These terrorists know we’re weak and totally divided on this issue and will capitalise on our weakness as they know whatever atrocity they commit there are very influential people among us (including the MSM) that will turn the story and blame someone else like Israel or the cartoonists or American foreign policy and will never ever put the blame where it should be…radical Islam and even Islam itself.

    • dgrogan

      Sadly, you are 100% correct, IMO.

    • bristol

      Couldn’t agree more. To convincingly show those that seek to stifle freedom, to truly demonstrate unshakeable resolve in the face of terror, the MSM should republish not only the Charlie Hebdo drawings, but also the 2006 Danish Jyllands-Posten Mohammed cartoons as well; prominently plastered over
      every front page, and every television screen. Everyone at the Paris rally,
      including our so-called leaders should be holding up the same. Otherwise,
      tearfully waving a few candles around is pretty much meaningless. The brave
      people of Charlie Hebdo died exercising their right to freedom of speech, our
      right too. We in the free world, especially our leaders, should not let them
      down.

  • Sally

    Here is the editorial in yesterday’s Sunday Star about free speech.
    It mentions how the police raided newsrooms after the teacup conversation, leaking of Andrea vance’s emails, the raid on ‘investigative journalist’ Nicky Hager.

    Any yet there are journalist quite happy to see another journalist’s privacy hacked and exposed. HYPOCRITES.

    https://www.facebook.com/sundaystartimes/posts/855195064542940

    • parorchestia

      Thanks for this. I am glad I didn’t buy the paper.

    • who’stoblame

      Thats right Sally but you must remember that that was in the “Public’s Best Interest”.

  • Mick Ie

    I have been thinking about Russell Norman, and his cone of silence regarding the most recent terrorist attacks. Then it dawned on me: how can he speak out against radicals that want to restrict freedom and stifle free speech, about how they leave their own homeland and then try to change the laws of their adopted country, as that is exactly what he and some of his party are continuously trying to do.

  • GoingRight

    Daughter informs us that on Facebook there are comments about in Australia “No Contraception, No Dole!” Now there is a policy I totally support. Is this a new policy for Australia or not?

  • Gaynor

    Will millions marching in France prevent or stop one terrorist attack anywhere in the world?

    • ex-JAFA

      It may even encourage them, knowing that it gets them attention. They don’t want to be popular, they want to be dominant.

  • vidarnz

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11385133

    ‘Kiwi rugby player deported from UK’

    ‘Club Chairman Malcolm Yates told BBC the team was “truly devastated” by his deportation.’

    “He’s worked at the steelworks and paid his taxes. For a guy who has done so much in the community – he’s worked in schools – everything about the man is just wonderful”

    They allow muslim extremists to stay but deport this guy? No wonder they have problems!

    • crosstherubicon

      Yes this happens all the time in the UK. They, the government hunt down Kiwis, Aussies, Canadians, US citizens when they overstay their work permits, but it’s an open door to Muslims who actually hate our way of life.
      All my children were born in the UK and my family go back thousands of years in Britain; yet now my kids aren’t welcome back and can’t claim benefits or go to university as a native in the country of their birth. Yet Muslims and other Europeans have carte blanche to come a claim benefits on their first day and get housed. This is all part of the appeasement and not wanting to offend in way the Muslims of the UK.
      For decades in British towns and cities they have had gangs of Muslim men grooming, drugging and mass gang raping young white girls with complete and utter impunity because councils and police, ultimately government did nothing for fear of offending and being called racist.
      Even today when these same crimes are being brought before the courts the MSM, politicians and our intelligentsia still call them Asian gangs instead of what they are…Muslim gangs.
      This the weakness of successive governments starting with Tony Blair who started it all, and set up a system that shut down all debate and branded anyone who said anything the left didn’t like racist, bigoted, xenophobic and far right.
      Britain only leads the world now is gross stupidity and quisling cowardice and sets the example for no country to follow unless they want to be taken over.
      We are indeed living in the age of stupid and my old country is right at the very top of the list.

  • Gaynor
  • fairymai

    Smalley on Larry’s Show! I almost have to listen…it may make me laugh, maybe cry, probably angry! I know I will get very very hot…

    • sarahmw

      oh it is so very painful……all about her…..the disenfranchised, isolation, has no idea. oh woe is me poor muslim people oh. I was there, therefore an expert. A muslim man came towards her and used his hand across his throat, another woman said get out not safe. So dramatic!

    • Alright

      Its her breathless, fawning, instructional tone – added to what she says – that makes her totally unattractive. Her visage doesn’t help either. But she, very obviously, adores it. A true narcissist.

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