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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    Syconium (noun) plural syconia – The fleshy multiple fruit of a fig, consisting of the enlarged, hollow, rounded floral receptacle with numerous fruitlets inside.

    source : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/syconia

    • Jafarma

      The Green Party?

      • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

        Close but the greens are more closely related to fruit loops. Colourful, seems like they might be good for you but really just good marketing of a crappy product that isnt all that good for you.

    • Do you feel you can do this regularly enough to have your own post? You can do a few days ahead at a time, so you don’t have to do it every day. The trivia is queued once a week for example.

  • GoingRight

    Countdown to youngest daughters wedding in 25 days! This one seems to have turned into a production! Fiancé arrived here yesterday from UK to live in NZ so it is all fantastic to see them so happy. Still a bit to do! My husband is looking forward to mid February!

  • Korau

    Who do you support?

    “Hacker group Anonymous claims to have forced their first jihadi
    website down since announcing online war against extremists in the wake
    of Charlie Hebdo murders ”

    See : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2906987/Hacker-group-Anonymous-claims-forced-jihadi-website-announcing-online-war-against-extremists-wake-Charlie-Hebdo-murders.html

    Anonymous (a hacker group that operate outside the law) takes down a jihadi website.
    Can two wrongs make a right?
    Can the ends justify the means?

    • Sally

      Then there is this breaking news.The US Central Command Twitter feed has been hacked by ISIS sympathisers.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2907040/U-S-Central-Command-Twitter-feed-appears-hacked-IS-sympathizers.html

      • Wallace Westland

        The hacking of Twitter should be regarded as a public service and medals should be awarded.
        Idiotic concept. Who cares that the cat is stalking the goldfish?

        • Sally

          However, what the hackers have got is a database and posted the names and addresses of US Generals and issued threats to their families.

          • Wallace Westland

            That’s going to be a major headache for someone. Imagine relocating all those people.

            What gets me is WHY do they have Government social network accounts that give these guys a backdoor in the first place?
            What on earth does the US Army need a twitter account for? Or a facebook one or any other?

            Pandering to stupidity is all it is. They should shut all those kinds of feeds down. As should our own Government.
            There is a reason most corporates don’t allow access to those sites and it’s not all to do with time wasted.

          • Sally

            Yes I was surprised they had a twitter account but it is the hacking and the consequence thereafter that is more troubling.

    • Wallace Westland

      Well….I don’t really support nuclear weapons either…..but…if a couple were strategically dropped into the middle of ISIS groups in Syria you wouldn’t hear me complaining.

    • dgrogan

      It’s war. I don’t see any war crime here. At least they’re making a stand again these murdering scumbags. Should we try appeasement as an alternative? Yeah, nah.

      • OneTrack

        I thought we already were doing the appeasement approach.

        • dgrogan

          My point exactly, OT. Not working too well is it?

    • Greg M

      Hacking is a criminal act. Just because this time they are hacking someone I don’t like, it still doesn’t make it right.
      I can’t support their actions.

    • spanishbride

      Hmmm if they are focussing their criminal tactics on the enemy I say lets leave them to it. While they are hurting the enemy they are not hurting us. In a civil war for example I would fight alongside Gang members if they were on our side and prepared to fight the invader.

    • Eiselmann

      Bit like watching Black Power fight the Mongrel Mob…you really want them to destroy each other however you also know that its wrong and someone innocent will get hurt before its over. …so we cheer and shake our heads in disgust at the same time.

  • dumbshit

    saudi prince interview on fox-news, $100 a barrel oil price will never be attained again

    • tinfoilhatguy

      Great. Not only is that good news for anyone who runs a car. but it will reduce the amount of oil money funding islamic terrorists and extremists by millions every year.

    • Kopua Cowboy

      Never say never. A repeat of Yom Kippur will see it shoot way back up

    • OneTrack

      Rubbish.

  • Hard1

    Police have time to stop Uber drivers, but not fingerprint a car and check local CCTV cameras. Apparently police were too busy to attend.
    6:30 pm is when tourists had all their belongings stolen from their locked car in downtown Auckland. Why is property crime such a low priority in this country?.

    • Salacious Crumb

      Because it is deemed as low end and therefore a low return on man power investment in their eyes. I would argue that if you stamp down on the lower end crime you prevent the escalation into the serious stuff.

      • mommadog

        Agree about dealing with lower end crime can help prevent escalation. Some will continue into crime regardless but some get a fight and shape up. Got to see a police dog in action yesterday in my neighbourhood in the middle of the day. Police dog was following a trail which led to a house down the street from mine, at which time other cops went in, came out with a person and off they went with person in back of car. Just like the TV dog show but no cameras in sight.
        Love police dogs to watch as hey are so well trained but I would never want to be on the wrong side of one.

    • EX RNZN RM1

      Different Police Budgets, they get money for ” Road Safety” via NZTA and
      “Crime” via Vote Police.
      It is most likely the ” God Squad” , checks cabs does truck weights etc, that are taking an interest in Uber, not ” Beat Plod in his Commodore.
      The cops have different sections tasked with different roles I would hate to see some of ” Highway Safety” Service , tax collectors with Radar guns etc , investigate Cams Hacking case but on the other hand there can be so many loop holes in Drink Drive Rules in the days of the old Auckland City Council Traffic Cops the instruction to the ” Beat Plod” was if he thought he had a drunk drive was to get the ACC Traffic Cops to process it as they understood the steps need and the actions to avoid so as to get a sold case to court.

    • tinfoilhatguy

      My house got burgled a few years back. The cops weren’t too keen to get off their chairs – it took them a full 24 hours to come over and dust for fingerprints. The guy who came over said the resolution rate for domestic break-ins was low so it didn’t get too much effort. He told me to claim insurance and forget about it.

      A couple of weeks later I drove from Wellington to Auckland, there were cars parked up and down SH1 with speed cameras. A much better return on investment for the boys in blue it seems.

  • Not Clinically Insane

    Good piece on Stuff this morning about the patheticness of the ‘restorative justice’ meetings. Be interested in Cam’s take on that

    • Cadwallader

      Restprative Justice is just more woolly headed PC garbage. Who or what does it restore? Nobody seems to know!

      • dgrogan

        And many victims/families are voting with their feet.

    • Mags

      In my 20’s I was involved in a head on car accident where a drink driver was at fault. It left me pretty smashed up and having to retrain To a new career. What really upset me was him never apologizing and saying, “yep I mucked up. What can I do to make amends?” So I understand the thought behind restorative justice. Maybe it has to come naturally and maybe some people never have it in them.

    • Eiselmann

      A number of years ago I took a family friends kid under my wing…poor kid had been thru hell and back living with his mother and his dad was struggling , so I spent time with him felt like I had a real bond…how did he repay me , he stole my car , wrote it off , stole a gift my father had given me just before he died (which was to be passed on to any children I might one day have ) and sold it for drugs-never recovered. He was 16….I went to a restorative justice meeting where he told me it was my fault for trusting him , he was ordered to pay back the money he owed at ten dollars a week. In the past decade he has been in and out of jail so often that I’ve only received 400 dollars of an $8000 fine…..I’ve accepted the fact that despite still being in my 40’s I’ll be long dead before he pays the money back……restorative justice…..rather the kid have been sentenced to a month of moving stones from one pile to another for 16 hours a day with the promise of a repeat dose every time he steals

  • david

    Did I miss the comment on Rupert Murdoch’s tweet saying Muslims have to take responsibility for Islam extremists. Here we were saying what a load of hypocritical charlies at MSM and their owner is saying something I agree with. Lets turn the heat on the religion of peace. If they are serious, they have to out the radical imams and they have to publicly shame them. Anything less and we have a right to call them sympathisers and close them down.

  • dgrogan

    According to the Herald’s Rod Emmerson, radical Islam is the bait to catch Islamophobes?

    Is he saying that if you question these murdering scumbag radicals, you are Islamophobic, I wonder. Your thoughts?

    • Chris EM

      I don’t get it, looking at the way the trap has been drawn, it can’t activate.

      • dgrogan

        Not sure the message is in the mechanism, Chris.

      • Cadwallader

        I think he is suggesting that if you object to terrorism then you suffer from Islamophobia and deserve what you get?

        • dgrogan

          I’m thinking you’re right, C. If you take the bait, you get bitten by Islamaphobia. So the next question: Is Islamaphobia a bad thing?

        • OneTrack

          Like the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists?

    • LinkinHawk

      my take is that radical islam is protected by islamophobia

      • OneTrack

        My take is that radical islam is protected by the progressives and their agenda.

        There was a cartoon by Ramirez the other day that covered it very well.

    • LesleyNZ

      Emmerson is trapped in a mindset himself. Some history/info for Emmerson for his next cartoon. Emmerson been conned by those who invented the “Islamophobia” .
      How the Term “Islamophobia” Got Shoved Down Your Throat:
      “The neologism “Islamophobia” did not simply emerge ex nihilo. It was invented, deliberately, by a Muslim Brotherhood front organization, the International Institute for Islamic Thought, which is based in Northern Virginia. If that name dimly rings a bell, it should: I’ve mentioned it before, and it’s particularly important because it was co-founded by Anwar Ibrahim–the hero of Moderate Islam who is now trotting around the globe comparing his plight to that of Aung San Suu Kyi.” https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/how-the-term-islamophobia-got-shoved-down-your-throat/

    • la la land

      He could be saying if you attack radical islam you get labelled an islamophobe…

      • dgrogan

        Thought that was a possibility too. But does that fit with his normal narrative?

        • la la land

          not sure really but that was my initial thought when I saw it – I guess the cartoonist’s role is to generate thought and the juxtaposition of the terrorist, islamophobia and a trap all do just that

      • kiwihornplayer

        islamophobe…? I want to become one. Where do I sign up?

        • Zeal23

          No, rather become an islamorealist.

    • johcar

      Do I really care what label some terrorist-supporter wants to apply to me?

      • dgrogan

        You might if you thought the label was sponsored by the very group who want to silence your criticism of them – no?

    • OneTrack

      Who cares what a hard-left shill of the progressives thinks anyway. Emmerson is a shocker at the best of times – he just isn’t funny. He may be considered very funny at green party headquarters ( which is the Herald target audience). Body is much better (imho).

    • Effluent

      Apart from which, he obviously hasn’t looked closely enough at a mousetrap to know how it works.

  • jaundiced

    French President Francois Holland is a hypocrite of the highest order. With leaders from around the world gathering in France to support a message of ‘unity’ against Islamic terrorism, he is reportedly furious that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu turned up, after being specifically asked not to attend.

    • dgrogan

      But Netanyahu attended because the Palestinians were going. Apparently they were asked to stay away as well. Not that it makes any difference in the long run. Nice to see 3.7 million people march – but what has actually changed?
      Seems to me the radicals will be delighted with the turn out, not the reverse.

      • jaundiced

        Sadly agree. Would be more meaningful to see a huge turnout of French Muslims marching in support, rather than platitudes about ‘the pen is mightier than the sword’ and ‘violence is not the answer’.
        I’m still waiting for New Zealand media to publish some cartons to show they mean what they say about freedom of speech. Not to provoke (in fact most of Charlie’s cartoons are pretty bad) but so people can see for themselves what led to the attacks.

        • la la land

          they were marching too – together with the other creeds and colours…

        • OneTrack

          I think their inability to publish the cartoons tells us all we need to know about what they mean by freedom of speech – Freedom to say what the terrorists will let us say

    • spanishbride

      Really? That is appalling. It is way past time that Western leaders realised that the ONLY Nation with decades of experience resisting terrorism is Israel. We need to support them and learn from them. The western World now has a common enemy and we must work together.

      • Aucky

        Won’t happen though SB. The dependence on Middle East money by struggling European economies is too strong. They can window dress all they want with their leaders displaying ‘spontaneous’ European unity but at the end of the day they can only go as far as their ‘bankers’ in Saudi & the Gulf States are comfortable with.

      • la la land

        Hi also asked the Palestinian leader not to attend as he did not want the day to be hijacked to other causes.

    • Cadwallader

      NZ could’ve sent Little Angry…and nobody would’ve noticed!

    • All_on_Red

      Hollande and his fellow enabling politicians are part of the problem. Netanyahu turned up because of the four Jewish people who were killed at the kosher supermarket. They requested they be buried in Israel and will be.

    • OneTrack

      I’m furious that Hollande tried to exclude him. Who does he think he is?

  • LinkinHawk

    So is it now widely accepted that Ben Rachinger is raw shark, yet no media outlet has outed him ,all seems to have been very quiet lately

    • Salacious Crumb

      Perhaps the impending threat of libel and criminal prosecution is an incentive to keep that all on the low down now?

    • mommadog

      Regardless of who Rawshark is – and I will wait for confirmation when its been through court – the MSM aren’t going to willingly report because Rawshark was “working” for the left and it is not in their interests to report. Just imagine if you switch it around and Rawshark had been paid by WhaleOil to hack someone on the left, we would be hearing about it every day.

      • LinkinHawk

        Hmmm you bring up an interesting point about who is paying who, Ben Rachinger put up a screenshot of a txt conversation between him and cam very recent infact. cam stated he has payed Ben a lot of money worth a read , his twitter page has a lot of interesting stuff .

        • la la land

          He also said he was not Rawshark…

    • la la land

      Is it? I thought it was someone else entirely! why do you say that?

  • Gaynor

    I was watching Fox News between midnight and 1am …there was a lot of anger that Obama didn’t go to Paris ..or send at least send one of his top 4 . Obama’s excuses didn’t wash with any of the commentators.

    • Asian_driver

      But nobody went to Nigeria, and nobody seems to care. 2000 mostly women and children slaughtered, but they not like us. 17 french/europeans killed and the whole world expects the top brass to attend a protest. The commentators coments dont wash with me

      • OneTrack

        What was the point of the the top brass protest. Wave a few hashtags around, a quick chorus of kumbaya, and then back to the standard, nothing to see here, move along and “we” need to be more tolerant.

  • Huia

    On a lighter note I was at the boat ramp yesterday and witnessed a cracker. Large boat approaches the ramp but going too fast, boatman sitting in the bow holding the rope with his legs dangling and his arms resting on the bottom bow rail. Boat hits the sand at speed, boatman slides out from under the rail, (still holding the rope) his shorts pocket get hooked up on an anchor fluke which is winched up to the bow. Boatman was stuck fast, mates couldn’t get him free until finally the shorts gave out and he hit the water. When he stood up the whole back side on one side of his shorts was hanging down to his knees. Thought an old fellow along from us was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so much, wheezing, snorting and thoroughly enjoying himself.

  • sbk

    On the power of the pen…and a realisation,that ultimately it is the citizens of the west who have the power(with pen i tick…a vote for UKIP etc)and not in the pens of a increasingly irrelevant MSM.

  • cows4me

    I heard the top cops are going to review their speeding policy because the public found it confusing. Confusing my arse. The only thing confusing about their stupid policy was the confusion the top police had in the belief the public would full for this revenue gathering shakedown.

    • mommadog

      ditto to “confusing my arse”. We all understood completely what the message was. Now they are making excuses for their (management’s) bad decisions.

    • Just a thought …

      Hmmm… I think the Police are just starting to realise that the ” emporer” had no clothes…..
      Now let’s sit back and enjoy the ” finger ‘ pointing and “bloody” mindedness ……
      Come on guys, it ain’t that hard to say ” bugga ” I think we got that one wrong….. that answer i would truly respect…….

  • Just a thought …

    Cam, Pete and the team,
    Is there any update on the ” dirty politics: saga and when we can expect some “sunlight” to be shed ? …………….

  • Just a thought …

    Hey, can anyone living near to Wussel “pop” round and check that he is okay….
    I haven’t heard anything from him over the recent ” terror ” attacks….
    Surely that can’t be right ……..

  • Cremster

    What the Herald won’t print: the new Charlie Hebdo cover… (it says ‘all is forgiven’)

    • Watcher

      You beat me to Cremster.
      NZ Herald too afraid to poke the bees nest in support of those courageous enough to die for their belief in free speech.
      The Herald staff reveal their real worth, by doing nothing.

    • sarahmw

      Stuff has just got the top part. Cut off Mohammed. And r smalley is trying to work out how this can happen,what makes these people do it. Rachel they are Terrorists! They don’t want play with us.
      Edit.. Mohamed.

      • OneTrack

        Rachel better buy herself a burkha now, and beat the rush. She can show us how “tolerant” and progressive she is.

    • Geoff

      Same with TV1. Gutless.

    • Alright

      Is that? Is that all? It is so benign that some – like me – might even think it supportive of this fatally damaged ideology. And the Herald wouldn’t run it. Gutless.

      • sarahmw

        Stuff has the full cover way down the page. It is Newsweek’s image. Groan!

        • Alright

          Thank you. Sometimes you have to take posts at less than face value….sad, but true.

    • OneTrack

      All is forgiven? I don’t get it?

      • Dave_1924

        Its a perfect response. It mocks the extremist actions nicely…

  • conwaycaptain

    If we want to show the Muslims that we treasure our way of life what about organising a BBQ close to a Mosque on a Friday with Bangers BACON, Beer and lovely young ladies in bikinis.

  • Alright

    Smalley back on Larry Williams show…

    Its her breathless, fawning, instructional tone – added to what she says
    – that makes her totally unattractive.

    Her visage doesn’t help either, although she very obviously, adores it.

    A true narcissist – who no doubt gets off about being talked about like this.

    You can massage your own ego from now on Rachael…you simply don’t matter.

  • Dave_1924

    An interesting analysis of the current situation in Europe from Stratfor. This quote sums things up I think in terms of the way ahead:

    “We are entering a place that has no solutions. Such a place does have
    decisions, and all of the choices will be bad. What has to be done will
    be done, and those who refused to make choices will see themselves as
    more moral than those who did. There is a war, and like all wars, this
    one is very different from the last in the way it is prosecuted. But it
    is war nonetheless, and denying that is denying the obvious.”

    Full article for those who are interested is here:

    http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/war-between-two-worlds#axzz3OkvaGWJt

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