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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    borborygmus (noun) plural borborygmi – A rumbling noise produced by the movement of gas through the intestines.

    Source : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/borborygmus

    • Cadwallader

      Based on this definition, I am so tempted to refer to goats and Islamos, so I won’t!

    • Jafarma

      Winston speaking?

      • The2Game

        If it is Winston speaking, the rumbling noise produced by the movement of gas through the intestines is often followed by either the belching of whisky fumes or the emission, via the anus, of waffle.

    • steve and monique

      Just another sound of the Labour caucus

    • Synonym: Wussell

  • idbkiwi

    Scary cloud things; then vs now.

    1951: UFO Saucer (Kaiapoi NZ)

    From declassified US Air Force files

    http://projectbluebook.theblackvault.com/documents/1950s/1951%20Winter%207273730%20NewZealand%201019/1951-Winter-7273730-NewZealand-1019-.pdf

    http://projectbluebook.theblackvault.com/documents/1950s/1951%20Winter%206308769%20NewZealand/1951-Winter-6308769-NewZealand.pdf

    2015: USB Charger (Anywhere)

    “This USB wall charger secretly logs keystrokes from Microsoft wireless keyboards nearby”

    “the stealthy Arduino-based device can sniff, decrypt, log, and report back all keystrokes — saving them both locally and online”

    http://venturebeat.com/2015/01/12/this-usb-wall-charger-secretly-logs-keystrokes-from-microsoft-wireless-keyboards-nearby/

  • Ilovelife

    I followed a car doing 30ks all the way around Auckland’s Tamaki Drive yesterday. I couldn’t pass and they never increased their speed. Infuriating! This is a common problem at this time of year and should be policed. . Slow drivers are as dangerous as fast ones

    • gonzo

      I am a very infrequent horn user (unlike my wife who tends to get a bit amped up).
      However, I save it for occassions like this… and I prefer quality, not quantity. So no “toot-toot” for me.. for drivers like this – place your hand on the horn and leave it there until they get it. 15+ seconds of horn is a long time…

      • rantykiwi

        The quality is in the tone and volume, not the length of time it’s sounded for. The original horn on my car always sounded like a “Hello, I love you” signal. The 120dB replacement gives an instant “You’re pissing me off, go away” message in well under a second.

        • Soleman

          The quality of horns’ volume is pretty poor these days in the modern car.
          Fitting an air horn solves all the problems

          • Damon Mudgway

            Especially air horns on an 18 wheeler in your rear view mirror.

        • gonzo

          Fair point. I have a mid 2000s V8 jeep – so gives a very good blast. But have changed to air horns for previous vehicles that had the “i love you” toot!

  • Jafarma

    Juice de jour from our slow juicer: beetroot, apple, carrot, ginger and orange. If you want a traffic light looking one, add celery. Who needs coffee when one has this.
    Edit: forgot to add cucumber!

  • Pete

    Glen Greenwald was just on Democracy Now on Sky ch 83. He was introduced as a Pulitzer Prize winning journo. The guy then just sprouted his anti American rubbish. The guy is a miserable piece of work and needs locking up as far as I’m concerned.

    • InnerCityDweller

      Like him or loath him, but locking people up just because they speak their mind? What happened to freedom of expression? Especially the freedom of those we disagree with?

      • Cadwallader

        He performs under a false pretence therefore he is due for a penalty. When a lie is a lie is a lie the right to freedom of speech is negated.

      • Raibert

        I still don’t understand why the media keep referring to Greenwald as a “Pulitzer Prize Winner”. My understanding is he was a supporting member of a team which won the prize. Surely a more apt description would be a ” member of a Pulitzer Prize winning team” or is it just lazy journalism?
        As for locking him up, no, nobody should be punished for having an opinion no matter how onerous. Punishment should only be for acts or inciting acts.

        • The2Game

          The media love their Awards.

          Win one (and the law of averages says you’ll win EVENTUALLY. I mean how many entrants are there in, e.g., the Qantas Best News category here) and you can say ‘Award-winning Journalist’ or ‘Voted New Zealand’s Best…’ forever…

    • NotGandalf

      Nope let him speak, the more rope they give themselves……

  • Dumrse

    Quick question, has Discus undergone some changes ? My screen format has altered in the last couple of days.

  • Just a thought …

    Hey, let’s play a new game…..

    Where’s Wussel !! ……..

    Chocolate fish to anyone who can find him or at least provide evidence of something he has said about the recent terrorist attacks ………..

    • Sally

      He did state late December that he was going to be off the radar until late January. It has been peaceful without him so let him get on with his gardening.

      • Just a thought …

        ohh thanks – he certainly dodged a bullet by not having to comment on the recent events as I’m sure he would not have come across well at all.

      • Cadwallader

        How can even he garden in Syrian sand?

        • Sally

          Well he might be pondering why there is no water in the desert?

      • The2Game

        Yep, I am not a fan of the Red Greens but Wuss DID say he was taking time off over the silly season to devote to relaxation with family and gardening.

        He is doing nothing that Auntie Helen (tramping and mountaineering) or John Key (Hawaiian beaches or golf) don’t, or didn’t, do…

        Let him be … he’s in a HARD profession.

    • Cadwallader

      Russel seems to have evaporated or returned to his home planet. I think we’ll soon forget him.

      • Just a thought …

        Forget ” who” ……..

    • MaryLou

      I don’t think I’ve heard anything from any NZ politician? A bit useless, really

    • taurangaruru

      Probably back in the former USSR undergoing a refresher course on Communism

  • rantykiwi

    Relief for family as benefit fraudster avoids jail reads the headline. Sure enough, a dud judge has effectively endorsed a scumbag ripping off the benefit system.

    Julie Ann Tunbridge, 53, falsely claimed she was single on multiple
    social welfare benefit forms and was overpaid $118,644.37 between 2006
    and 2013…… The judge sentenced Tunbridge to 150 hours’ community work, nine months’
    home detention and ordered her to pay back $10,000 in instalments of
    $30 a week.

    So no real punishment, and a comical level of reparation – crime really does pay. Yet another sentence that I hope the crown appeals. At the very least the whole debt should be left against her name and repaid under rules like those for student loans. There’s also the small matter of her partner having benefitted from her crime – why is he not also being chased for reparation as a de facto recipient of the stolen money?

    • InnerCityDweller

      On a quick calculation that’s close to $725/hr once you deduct the $10k. Most likely on benefit still, which she’ll use to pay back the overpaid benefit. Nice work if you can get it.

    • Sally

      This is a big problem with our welfare and justice system. If you don’t bother to work and the only money you get is from the State, then you turn around and rip the system off because you are greedy and since we are such a caring society we won’t punish you because you are down on your luck.
      The community hours should be
      $118,644 – $10,000 = $108,644/$18 a hour = 6035hours. Too harsh?

      • MaryLou

        Not too harsh, just right. But she needs to do this community service outside working hours, because there should be no entitlement to any more benefits, having committed fraud against the system.

        That’s a lot of weekends.

        • Sally

          She could share the hours with her de facto as he benefitted from the fraud as well.

          • MaryLou

            Yes, and no chance of a benefit for him in future either. This should be standard punishment for anyone who rips off the taxpayer.

    • who’stoblame

      Having stolen from the taxpayer she is now ordered to repay the taxpayer only a proportion of which she will use taxpayers money to repay. Ggrrrr….what planet are our Judges from? At 53 I have no doubt this cow has been sucking on the taxpayers teat all her life. Cheaper to lock her away.

      • mike

        No just cut her off for the rest of her life… no Government support or funding until the debt is repaid.

        Locking her up would just cost the tax payer even more.

    • no bullswool

      Makes me wonder why my kids should have to pay back their student loans.The govt have allowed this benefit fraudster to get away with more than my kids owe in student loans. They get no allowance to live off and so have a loan to pay for train fare of over $50 a week to get to uni over $7000 in fees and of course the need to eat to stay alive.They live at home to pass the cost on to us.My kids work hard at uni and have part time jobs so where is the natural justice!

      • pak

        A loan by its very nature is required to be paid back, and a slippery slope if people start wondering why they should have to honour an obligation freely undertaken simply because someone else has got away lightly with rorting tax payers in another situation entirely. It may well be tough managing, but loan funds don’t come out of thin air and other tax payers would likely similarly feel there was no “natural justice” if students started reneging on their agreements based on the fact that there are benefit fraudsters getting off too lightly with ripping off us all!
        By working hard at Uni and in part time jobs your kids are learning invaluable life lessons and miles ahead of any loser fraudster. You have taught them well.

  • rantykiwi

    The hospital pass of the year award will go to whoever lands the job of being Angry Andrew Little’s new spinmeister. The job description includes this gem The successful applicant is expected to ensure Little appears “in a positive story on the 6pm news at least twice a week”. The only positive story for NZ about Andrew that seems possible will be headlined “Little stands down”

    EDIT: remove unnecessary quoted material

    • mommadog

      The TV appearances wont actually be that hard once all the leftie media people are back at work. They will be falling over themselves to tell us how great Angry Andy is. Maybe a weekly appearance on Campbell live. No where in the description does it say the positive story has to be true and reveal the facts.

      • Dave

        You can get Angry Andrew in front of a TV camera as often as you like, but getting him to stay positive will be almost impossible!. He can’t smile nicely, and you can guarantee he will make a negative comment within seconds of opening his grubby little mouth. The leopard has spots, nothing can change that!

    • taurangaruru

      The more times he is on TV the harder it will be for him to portray himself as something he is not, I say bring it on, let Kiwis see the real A Little.

    • dgrogan

      Funny that. Elsewhere on WOBH, Angry Andy is quoted as saying he doesn’t care what other people think about him.
      Obviously, the new spinmeister is going to be too taxed. The usual drivel will do.

  • Hard1

    Is there any hope for the human race ?

    M. Cyrus, speaking with Barbara Walters back when it was shocking in 2013, she said she did not set out to shock nor did she have any regrets.
    “Not at all,” she said of her prolific twerking and nipple flashing. “It wasn’t just ‘shock people to shock people’, it really was with a purpose, I guess …To make everyone in the world be talking about me and music.”
    “Despite all this, the singer insists it’s all in the name of art.”

    And they do talk about her and others. Day after day, nudity, death and dress-ups fill the media. Call it art, make it shock, and that’s all right then. Is it just me, or are we all being played for suckers?

    I can see no difference between Cyrus, Boko Haram, Gaga or Isis setting out to shock people to get noticed. There seems to be an empty space in all of us that needs to be filled. A fundamental flaw that makes us look and want either to be a witness or belong. A rich vein to be tapped by the spinmasters of the world.
    In a sense, what we are is where we are born and how we are brought up, with very little of our adult selves being self-determination, the majority of our personality being the influence of outside forces, whether we like it or not.
    How else does mass-murder and nudity get equal billing?.

    • Cadwallader

      Isn’t she simply just “trailer trash” showing off in her mindless fashion? By age 30 she’ll be old meat and worthy only of pity.

      • Hard1

        Sure she is a shallow vapid entertainer. The methodology to get this massive publicity is flawless. It is the methodology of advertising, which taps into a human need. But what is that human need?

        • Cadwallader

          I think the “human need” you refer to is anything which prevents humans from actual thinking. It is simpler to subscribe to popular taste than to delve below that. This blog is a great vehicle to do that delving with.

          • Hard1

            So in a sense the MSM is an extension of our brain. For the vast majority, it is enough. Does only Whaleoil cater to deeper critical thought?

          • Cadwallader

            No. The msm and/or popular tastes sit in opposition to our brains imho. I think the meaningless drivel which is pumped out as entertainment is a mechanism which operates outside strenuous brain function. I am not a psychiatrist/psychologist or such but you generally know in yourself when you’ve applied grey matter to an issue.

      • mommadog

        Although I don’t personally like her music and the direction she has gone, I think she is actually talented. To me she is the typical child star who goes off the rails as they get to their teenage years. There are many that could be listed – they often go the drugs, alcohol way and we watch them fall apart through the media and pages of magazines. Miley has joined that group and has also gone the wrong way with her music and how she portrays herself (I agree it is trashy).

        I also think of kids bought up in very strict families, often religious, that break away and go a little crazy in their teens and twenties. Doing and trying everything they were never allowed to before. That was Miley as part of the very controlled Disney stable with her weekly TV show then she broke away and has gone crazy. She hasn’t handled it at all well. By age 35-40 she may well grow up and learn she doesn’t have to flash her naked body to get attention. She may well reinvent herself as a singer or at least I hope for her sake she does.

        • ozbob68

          By aged 30 she may have been dumped a few times and start to realise it’s not all about her.

      • Mrs_R

        I’m truly wounded Cadwallader – 30 is considered old meat and worthy only of pity? Ouch. You’d be on rations in my house if you rolled that little gem out, either that or I would work twice as hard to change your mind :)

        • Cadwallader

          In her world it is, there’s no denying that. Youth to Botox to Death.

        • Dave

          If it’s any consolation Mrs R, I would prefer to have a nice conversation over a glass of vino or a coffee with a woman (person) of any age then spend a few minutes with a flashy object no matter how “showy” she might be. We might recall a trim curvy body, for a short time but an interesting and stimulating debate or conversation warms the mind and soul! Besides 50 is approaching the new 30 :).

          • MaryLou

            Lucky that :)

    • jaundiced

      No difference with Boko etc. That’s a bit harsh. We all do things to get noticed. We dress up, we perform, we write stuff, draw provocative cartoons. But we don’t all kill people.

    • taurangaruru

      I don’t mind watching Mylee on her wrecking ball but I sure as hell have no appetite for Boko Haram or ISIS.
      Your point re Mylee’s strategy to garner media attention is valid though & she is just following the same methods used by Madonna over the last 20 years or so. Madge based her whole career on getting media miles from behaving in a controversial manner. What we have now with these female “singers” is a race to the bottom (literally) & it won’t be long before full nudity (& probably full on sex) is the norm in pop music videos. Pity is this same sort of behaviour is leaching into everyday life, just think of the number of adverts on radio & telly promoting “staying longer,” erectile dysfunction etc etc- these tend to be more than a little unsettling especially when the little ones start asking questions as to the meaning of the adverts. Radio so called “shock jocks” use similar tactics as well. Cannot remember the old bint in NZ that was always railing against pornography but as time goes on seems she did have a point, she would be turning in her grave is she saw the porn on the www.

      • Soleman

        The “old bint in NZ” was Patricia Bartlett. I did not agree with her at the time, but maybe she was a little clairvoyant.

  • who’stoblame

    Once again without confirmation the Herald did a hit piece on the ‘Key’s’ yesterday using young Max as the target. Today under the section of “Politics” the Herald has discovered it was a hoax. NO apology not even an inkling of remorse. They won’t even print the Journalists name. Cowards to the core.

    • Cadwallader

      They need to be called-out on this one as should the silly young woman masquerading as a journalist.

      • Just a thought …

        Don’t get caught up in the wrong issue, the real question that we need answered is ‘ DOES ” Max Key delete his texts ………

        • Cadwallader

          I can’t find Russell to consult him. i have an inkling you’re right though.

      • Dave

        I’m looking at it as:

        NZ Herald nil – loser
        May. Won.

        Now wait for them to try and strike back, a few days or weeks they will trot out a story, something duly pathetic like Max out drinking with mates, sets bad example to youth.

        Hey Nanny Herald, why don’t you go print something bad about Andrew Littles kids, um, ah, when we’re other leaders (out of bounds) kids in your trashy tabloid?

        Final point, congrats to JK and Brognah for raising such well adjusted kids who can express themselves and be successful. Despite the horrid trying to crucify them.

    • pak

      I struggle with trying to even understand what any journalist was doing in the first place trolling Max Key’s social media pages to even produce the “story” in the first place. Do they really not have anything better to do?

      • Reaper

        A couple of years ago I was contacted (through Trade Me) by a ‘journalist’ from the Dominion Post wanting to do a story on a question I had posed on the Message Boards! She was closely followed by One News and Radio NZ. Apparently they commonly trawl the MBs looking for stories. Unbelievable (or maybe not).

        • pak

          That is a shocker! Hadn’t realised quite the extent of bottom-feeding that goes on. Sort of down there with real estate agents who trawl death notices looking for sales leads.

          • Reaper

            Pretty much. I guess they really do have nothing better to do.

  • Hard1

    In this day and age, it is very difficult to get a long stay in a foreign country as a tourist, as many travellers are going to be looking to work instead.

    So it is no surprise that the begging monks on Queen Street are here on such short visas.

    “Both individuals were issued with two-year multiple entry visitor visas on the grounds that they wanted to do some sightseeing in New Zealand,” said spokesman Marc Piercey.

    • Ilovelife

      Actually I was bewildered that they had MULTIPLE ENTRY visas. Why? Surely a tourist visa is just that, You don’t have the facility to keep coming back, do you?

      • Hard1

        I know mate. Thailand I get 15 days, Japan 90 days, China 14 days. How on earth does a Chinese tourist need 2 years ?. Why do we give it?.

  • Hard1

    Madonna and AC/DC lead a list of performers for the 57th annual Grammy awards on February the 8th.

    Will Tauranga’s Rudd be allowed to go? Being a star, there will probably be some dispensation, but do the band want him?.

  • SP

    So I came across this on the ferald…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11386866

    I was reading thinking gee, golly, that doesn’t sound good.. until I got to the part that says “…The new method uses statistical analysis and computer models…” at which point I realised I have nothing to worry about because we all know how accurate the statistical analysis and computer models were at predicting global warming!

  • Peter Maguire

    Someone not having a good day.

    • Dave

      Let me guess, a labour party conference, summer school at Vic or Otago uni. Oh, same thing all three of them!

  • Cowgirl

    Have just seen on the telly here that since the terrorist attacks in Ottawa, the local mosque has had a noticeable increase in new converts to Islam. Apparently a bunch of young men have made their way to this mosque, converted, and then disappeared into the ether again. All that is required to ‘convert’ is to say a line or 2 in Arabic saying Allah is the only God. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the process of converting to a religion usually a little more complex than that? I’m pretty sure that conversion to Judaism for instance, requires a whole course of instruction in the Torah so that you prove your dedication and worth. Wouldn’t you think that an uptight religion so high on itself as Islam is, one constantly complaining about being ‘misunderstood’ would require a bit more dedication than just repeating some words back on cue? Like reading the Koran for instance? As far as I can tell that’s not even required!

    • dgrogan

      As these new Muslim converts aren’t expected to be around very long, C there’s probably not a lot of point in investing in their indoctrination. Just promise ’em their 72 virgins and they’ll into it like rats up drainpipes.

      • Cowgirl

        Funnily enough though it’s the Imams that are showing the concern and bringing it to the attention of the media – almost like they don’t want their religion to be hijacked by radicals, but aren’t sure if they should make it harder to join. They seemed more concerned that the new converts would not be sincere in their faith, than the obvious fact that all these men are obviously just want to be able to join ISIS. No dedication to the religion required, other than getting yourself killed so you can shag your way through the afterlife. Apparently some are even reading ‘Islam for Dummies’. If ISIS think they’re so devout, why are they accepting these losers?

        • dgrogan

          Ha, ha. That gave me a laugh! I guess ISIS aren’t so keen to put themselves in the front line, now that they’re coming up against real opposition. Cannon fodder has always been essential for the generals.

      • Albert Lane

        Yes, but we can’t keep on breeding so many goats for them.

    • Dave

      Yes, they need to agree to the mandatory three weeks firearm and hand to hand combat training as a minimum. Joking aside, I almost converted to the catholic faith years ago to be able to marry my catholic swetheart and set off into the sunset and raise our kids in a catholic way. It took 2 years of attending church, leading several “faith” workshops and lots of stuff to convince the priest, he accepted me and agreed as we broke up. Perhaps there is a lesson there to the imam’s.

      • Cowgirl

        Thanks for the info – I wasn’t sure about Catholics, but suspected they wouldn’t just impose all that guilt on people for nothing. Sounds like a rigorous process and I know many other faiths are the same. I don’t know why anyone would just let anyone claim a religion without having to do the work first.

        • Dave

          I dont agree with all the Catholics policies, but the services, and the activities were all great, and the people very very nice. The priest was a really nice guy, but he asnt going to accept me as one of his flock just because i turned up!

  • DangerMice

    Sky News having a conniption when an interviewee shows the Charlie Hebdo cover. Reminds me of a vampire spotting a cross or something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMbwcBYT0DI

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