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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    yclept (adj) – having the name of; called.

    Usage : “a lady yclept Eleanora”

    Source : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/yclept

    • intelligentes candida diva

      I learnt ….prolixity, yesterday. I took note of it because sometimes I think its me :-)
      It means
      “Tending to speak or write at excessive length……[Middle English, from Old French prolixe, from Latin prōlixus, poured forth, extended.] …”

      • Korau

        English is such a rich, dynamic language, and there is a plethora of beautiful (and some ugly) words.

        Compare the way new words are adopted in English (where you just start using them) as against french where new words need to be approved by the Académie française, the official moderator of the French language in France, and you can see why English is the language of business and the de facto world langauage.

        We are so lucky that it’s our first language.

        • Bazza63

          That is why English is a living language, it adopts & changes words/meanings as it evolves. You would have trouble understanding someone talking English 500 years & ago & would probably have the same issue 500 years into the future.

          • Reaper

            I have trouble understanding people 30 years younger than me.

      • Betty Swallocks

        All right, there’s no need to go on about it … :o)

        • This is getting quite supererogatory

          • Betty Swallocks

            Don’t get all sesquipidalian with me, mate!

  • intelligentes candida diva

    Hi ho hi ho it will be off to work I go wearing my cap when I walk

  • idbkiwi

    Oh please, say it aint so. First cartoonists, then pigeon fanciers, now adolescent soccer fans?……..

    “militants publicly executed 13 teenage boys for watching the Asian Cup football match between Iraq and Jordan.”

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-publicly-execute-13-teenagers-watching-asia-cup-football-match-1484233

    • intelligentes candida diva

      They are completely out of control any moral or international understanding on human treatment is non existent. Mosul a sad sad place now once holding history and pride now a killing field, it makes me cry.

      • idbkiwi

        The cradle of civilisation (past-tense)

        “Nineveh (modern-day Mosul, Iraq) was one of the oldest and greatest cities in antiquity. The area was settled as early as 6000 BCE”
        http://www.ancient.eu/nineveh/

    • Cowgirl

      Last night on TV they showed that Iranian soccer players had been warned whilst playing overseas, not to have pictures taken on social media with female fans. This is because in Iran women are banned from watching soccer. I thought this was odd and wondered whether it was because men objected to seeing them there because of this law in their own country, when I realised that it was most likely that the Iranian govt didn’t want women to see them and start demanding the same rights. Pathetic.

    • jude

      I hope those actions by ISIS will in fact cause more Muslims to rise up against ISIS and there may be a revolution of sorts within that religion.
      At some point , a tipping point will be reached and the actions of ISIS will help destroy the militant arm for good.
      I will not hold my breath but am praying that is the case.

      • MaryLou

        Jude I hope you are right. In the absence of a second prophet and “New Koran” as Christians have had the New Testament, It would be good to see a worldwide revolution by those who have based their lives on Islam. Unfortunately in so many places now, the only schooling kids get is religious, but Mullahs who are self entitled to teach as they choose. I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence.

  • Lord Evans

    Start the day with a smile…

    • intelligentes candida diva

      Delightful, a must share Happy morning and thanks for the smile

  • George

    The Resource Management Act is to be reformed. Over time beaurocracy has slowly raised the status of trees to a higher plane than any other living organisms, including humans. If I can prune my trees without beaurocratic intervention, firstly to regain my veiw, secondly to control the root spread that is cracking my drive and lastly to free my gutters of vegetation then we are making headway. They have so little time and so many road blocks to create, I won’t hold my breath.

    • KGB

      An 82 yr old woman in Orewa asked a handyman to prune a branch off a cabbage tree that blocked her sea view from her 2nd story bedroom. Neighbour rang AC, she was visited & threatened with prosecution. Age Concern stepped in and helped negotiate a $2k fine as an out of court settlement. The tree is in great shape. The woman is stressed and confused.

      • mommadog

        That still seems like a huge fine. What would it have been if it had gone to court I wonder?

        • peterwn

          Most probably. The judges who hear such cases are warranted ‘environment court’ judges and are unlikely to handle ordinary cases. So sentencing seems to be out of line with sentencing for non-environment matters. I do not think environment judges should be hearing ‘criminal’ matters relating to RMA.

          A smaller council is likely to heed general public opinion on this sort of thing as happened in the Kapiti area last year. In Auckland there would be significant ‘disconnect’ between community boards and Council bureaucrats for this to be felt.

        • KGB

          Well a legal bill to defend one’s self in court would probably cost $5k. And then there’s the costs awarded to AC if you lose. All bullying tactics when dealing with the elderly.
          The $2k was not a fine it was agreed to be donated to some environmental project.
          The best part of this story is the neighbour who ‘told on her’. He was a tenant. After the tree issue was resolved, her family bought the house next door and evicted the tenant, then re-sold.
          True story!

          • pak

            Ha, brilliant! Good to know. Divine retribution for the mean-spirited neighbour for dobbing in the elderly lady. Self-righteous git. Tree apparently unharmed and an old dear’s life made a bit more pleasant. Great result to me.

        • probably jail time, court costs and a restorative justice meeting involving koha for all the local iwi and requireing at least 4 council representatives – these Orakei pensioners are a dangerous bunch

      • Michael

        I’m sorry, was the tree on council land? Or was it planted by JFK, Captain Cook, or Mohammed? Was the tree preventing a landslide from happening? Or did it get covered by a covenant on the property title? Did the pruner drop branches all over people walking by? No?

        Here’s a quick lesson for all you Council busy bodies – it’s not your tree, it’s not your land, it’s none of your freaking business!

      • oldmanNZ

        Cabbage tree do not live long and can die in drought.
        It better to just kill the thing with weed killer than prune it, a new one can grow in a couple years.

        Really stupid this RMA, and the council with trees.

  • Jafarma

    So screams of delight are exceeding the permissible decibels for the Orakei flying fox. The Council solution: it has to go. “We know this [flying fox] closure will disappoint some people, but we need to address residents’ complaints about noise,” Ms Aickin said.

    But wait!! “the council said most of the planning and designing of the playground took place ahead of the homes being built.
    Details were provided to developers of Stonefields, Todd Property, to include on maps and information for prospective homeowners. The council would work with the Orakei Local Board, the community and stakeholders to consider next steps, including moving the flying fox.”

    The only moving that should be going on is the complainants who knew they were going to buy a property next to the playground. If they don’t kids having fun, go somewhere else!!
    It seems to me it’s time for all the parents who want heir kids to have fun to make a stronger stand.
    If the Council is going to address residents complaints, will they next want silencers on lawnmowers, water blasters, hedgetrimmers and mulchers i.e. all everyday tools that residents use in their sections??? Heaven forbid.

    • HR

      I’ve just built and sold a home that borders the route for transmission gully in Wellington. Listed on the title of the land was a reverse sensitivity clause stating I had to engage an acoustic engineer to provide a report on what sound deadening measures would need to be included in the construction of the property, cost about $1,000.00. LTSA, who wanted the report, then completely ignored the report (by a suitably qualified acoustic engineer) and gave me a list of items they wanted incorporated to make the dwelling achieve 38dBa, including a reverse cycle air con unit (approx $20k-it had to be a commercial sized unit) to achieve 15 air changes per hour so the windows can remain shut. Which, if anyone knows air changes, is apparently akin to having a 737 jet engine in the roof. All of this in a 3 bedroom residential house.
      My point is, this is all done to stop people buying the house and moaning to LTSA about the future road noise. People wonder why houses cost so much to build.

      But who moans about kids having fun? And during the day??

      • Wendy

        Sad gits.

      • peterwn

        When was the ‘reverse sensitivity’ memorial put on the title and how much compo was paid to the owner when the memorial was placed.

        • HR

          The clause was placed on the title before the LTSA “standards” were set in place. The original developer (it is a large subdivision) did have some sort of deal with LTSA and I think were paid compensation or some other favour, all above board. In any case, we got it sorted, as the information LTSA was working to was wrong in our case. Problem is, we have another 5 sites with reverse sensitivity clauses, all different in wording even though they are neighbouring properties. The time involved with this is huge, and the goalposts are constantly moving.

  • Andy

    Who is writing these inspiring right-wing libertarian words:

    But Madame Roland was wrong. It is not Liberty that inspires political extremism, but a perilous ambition to reduce all the dazzling diversity of the human family to a dull and ominously silent uniformity. As if Equality was a purely mathematical concept meaning sameness, instead of a political ideal describing the social condition of human-beings who are free to create rich and productive lives for themselves and their families while protected from chance and adversity by the collective love and support of their fellow citizens.

    Answer: Chris Trotter, writing at Martin^2’s blog

    • MaryLou

      Who woulda guessed!

  • DavidW

    Question for oilers.
    I received a call from a staff member at Auckland Council this morning and it came up on my Caller ID as Anonymous.

    Is it normal for a public body to hide their phone number like this? Is it acceptable?

    I presume that active steps are required to make Caller ID not report a number so someone must have made a conscious decision to make it so and my rates are paying fees to Telecom or whoever to block Caller ID on Council phones.

    • hbboy

      Get Wussell on the job – we can’t have all this rampant privacy in NZ – I suggest a conmmission of enquiry.

    • ex-JAFA

      Not all communications providers share data like caller ID with all others. If, for example, Council uses Vodafone for their landlines and you use Spark, there may not be an agreement between Vodafone and Spark to share that info as part of the call.

      But I think it far more likely that Council is using a VoIP system which places the call as “data” rather than “voice”, so there’s no caller ID info to pass on.

  • The2Game

    I just love it that the Auckland City Council has ‘disabled’ a flying fox at a playground because the ‘screams of delight’ from children using it were of a decibel level that annoyed residents of a nearby Stonefields estate…

    I trust that the Council will clamp down just as hard on the discomfort that those precious residents would doubtless suffer if, good grief, ambulances, fire engines and police cars used their sirens in accessing said estate.

    Maybe all calls from the estate to the emergency organisations I have just cited should be responded to by on-foot patrols (wearing muffled boots, of course) with the loud vehicles being obliged to park a nice-and-quiet 5km away?

    • Huia

      This PC stupidity is getting right out of hand.
      My husband a builder recently went to an update on stupidity in that industry, it seems when the builder comes onto the building site he has to introduce himself and make sure everyone knows he is the contractor and the safety officer.!The crew have only worked for him for 18 years so I guess they could forget who he is. Some pen pusher with too much time on their hands.

      • Reaper

        It is getting insane. My husband, also a builder, has recently been told he is no longer allowed to stand on anything higher than 330mm without a hand rail. No longer allowed to put planks on top of sawhorses and stand on that, only allowed to stand on the bottom step of a 3 step ladder. So if they build a floor 600mm off the ground they cannot stand on it (without a hand rail). Not allowed to stand on a floor! Of course scaffolding companies are going to be doing well, but this adds a lot to the cost of a build.

        • ex-JAFA

          When Mainzeal (?) went bust a couple of years ago, the receiver tried to stop the scaffolding supplier from removing their stuff from a couple of major sites (a leaky apartment building at the top of Hobson St springs to mind). But the scaffolders desperately needed it because of the new regulations meaning that scaffolding was now in huge demand, and these shut-down sites were using about half of what was available!

    • Guest

      Get Wussell on the job – we can’t go having privacy in NZ. I smell a conspiracy.

  • Wendy

    Hey Kimmy…the great thing about our “fat bastards club” is that soon enough we wont be “fat bastards” because we care about ourselves enough to get off our fat assets and do something about it. You should try it.

    • Isherman

      Umm, remind me again why we would want to do anything that would be of any benefit whatever to KDC personally, nah he can just take off and go be a fat goober somewhere else.

      • Wendy

        I was going for obliquely ironic…

        • Isherman

          Phew, had me worried for a mo, goodo then, carry on…

  • Alright

    Hey, nothing to be worried about here. What’s to worry about $50 million being flushed down the toilet. On second thoughts: “Hello, is that the Serious Fraud Office. Can I speak to the Director please?”

    “Buying out bad loans and other poor investment decisions helped slash
    an iwi group’s Treaty of Waitangi settlement from $66 million to $16
    million, an inquiry has found.

    But the trust group in charge of the remaining money says it will not take its founding trustees to court to recover the money because of the cost and “ONGOING DAMAGE TO THE REPUTATION OF THE TRUST AND THE IWI”.

    A question: how can you cause “ongoing damage” to an already destroyed “reputation”, and who are/were the “Trustees”?

  • BW_Lord

    Found something interesting that got buried in the christmas holidays.

    Labour was demoted to an observer member only in the global ‘socialist international’ scam in 2012 due to non-payment, but have been officially delisted as of December 2014.

    How can one party fail so badly at everything they do, yet manage to fix other things (they probably don’t want fixed) simply by declaring it in crisis? Classic,

  • intelligentes candida diva

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  • Hans

    Dominion Post: I added some comments to an opinion piece they wrote regarding the freedom of speech march in France – they felt the Israel should not have been present, but failed to comment on Abbas being invited. So i made my thoughts known without bad language of course, they just deleted the comments, also refused to explain wht when i followed up with another letter. I guess they don’t like living in a glass house when people that are informed throw stones LOL

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