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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    maledicent (adj) – Speaking reproachfully; slanderous.

    Source : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Maledicent

    Etymology : From latin maledicens, to speak ill; male, ill + dicere, to say, speak.

    • The Accountant

      Sounds like the “leaders” of the Green Party.

  • conwaycaptain

    Go to the Daily Telegraph UK and read the interview with the Greens.
    If you think our lot are fruit loops read this and shudder

    • Eiselmann

      Madness …utter madness, heaven forbid they ever gain power, in the race to surrender all that makes Britain ‘Great’ their Green party have already completed the race while everyone else is still warming up.

      • OneTrack

        It sounds to me like the UK has already gone – they just haven’t admitted it to themselves yet.

    • hbboy

      I wonder if their immigration people would take wussell and material girl? There’s a couple of people who should be seeking a place in an asylum.

    • Reaper
      • Wasapilot

        Guess who all the terrorists will vote for. The scary thing is they could be the king maker in the upcoming election.

      • Read this. If it isn’t satire the I would be very worried for Britain. Utter madness. Our fruit loops at least aren’t as bizarre as this lot … one would hope.

      • Cowgirl

        Sounds like they want to go to a ‘Year Zero’ agrarian culture. They might want to ask Cambodia for tips on implementation and outcomes.

        • Reaper

          They wouldn’t have too much trouble achieving their aim of a zero or negative growth economy if they implemented all their other crazy ideas.

      • Jas

        wow, I bet they haven’t factored in that the pound will be worth less than a rouble and borrowing to fund their utopia might prove difficult and costly
        Also you better sell those shares in Manchester United

      • Melissa

        After reading this article I’m amazed that even one person votes for them. Nutters!

    • OneTrack

      Yes, I do think our lot are racist, hypocritical fruit loops.

  • Michael

    Andrew Little insisting on CGT and raising Superannuation eligibility to 68. Is he in competition with the Greens or National?


    • Bryan
    • The Accountant

      I just can’t see Mr Little presenting a compelling argument to business owners and employers. He fundamentally disagrees with any power an employer might be supposed to have.

      • These employers who think that just because they took all the risk and put their money and effort into developing a business they can then dictate how it is run? pffffft.

        • OneTrack

          Big state knows better.

    • Davo42

      If we ignore him he might go away.

    • sandalwood789

      Silly man.
      We don’t *need* new taxes.
      All we need to do is to stop the *waste* of the taxes (and rates) that are already collected. There would surely be a billion or so dollars there.

      • Pete

        That requires hard work and commitment, 2 things left leaning parties lack.

      • Dave_1924

        Stopping waste is a great lace to start. A 5 % saving in the big 3 ticket areas of Health, Wefare and Education would be in the order of 2.5 Billion … thats a lot of money.

    • NotGandalf

      So let me get this straight: He wants to increase my taxes and have me working for longer? Excellent idea, he’s got my vote at the next election – NOT.
      Unbelievable that after years of banging the same old drum, Labour comes out with the same thing AGAIN.
      Here is the thing, Andy. We know that you are a mouthpiece of the Unions. These are the very same unions that want to stifle business growth so that they can claim the economy is not as healthy despite international recognition. The same unions who want to preserve their dying membership so by keeping their dwindling numbers in the workforce for longer. The same unions who go out of their way to reduce productivity by forcing their members to withdraw services so that the employers bottom line is again hit and those very jobs are placed at risk – creating a false validation for the unions very existence. The only thing the unions (your masters) manufacture is malcontent and false victimisation (eg: pimping the poor etc)
      We know that you want to take someone elses money and throw it at the ‘working class’ – what once might have been an admirable ‘let them eat cake’ approach is now an outdated and over simplified waste of resources.
      When it comes to what the people of NZ really want – you haven’t got a clue son!

      • Huia

        Instead of keeping the older people working until they drop, raising medical bill costs. they could save a whole lot of money if they stopped paying the benefit to the young fit ones laying around at home and breeding. We bring migrant workers in because these lazy little sods wont work. Its time they started taking some responsibility for themselves and their country.
        A lot of older people’s unpaid work, keep the charities and volunteer organisation’s ticking along, so they are still paying their way in kind and they work because they have always worked.

      • Albert Lane

        Trust the unions? Some of the unionists supported by the other unions are the ferry employees that would go on strike at Christmas. They’re the ones who put their own benefits above those of the country.

    • pak

      I think the article was poorly written and not clear, but I read it as he is reviewing failed policies and the target of such review was CGT and raising super eligibility age, i.e. that he wants to dump the plans.

  • I see KiwiRail have a history of causing fires next to the rail tracks.
    But I have yet to hear of KiwiRail being prosecuted for them.
    Is this yet another example of government agencies getting a free pass or have I missed the great news about the corruption free NZ justice system at work?

  • sandalwood789

    So, it looks like the hard-left Syriza party will win the Greek elections.

    Oh dear. It was stupid socialist policies that destroyed their economy in the first place so now they’ve voted for “socialism on steroids”.

    I can see why they’ve done it – lots and lots of wonderful sounding promises that will all turn out to be “fool’s gold”.
    It’s like a dieter who would like chocolate rather than a tomato sandwich.

    Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

    • Going to be interesting to watch over the next year or so.

      • sandalwood789

        A country “living on the credit card” will have it catch up with them sooner or later.

        • Aucky

          The Greeks maxed out their national credit card years ago & that’s the problem. The EU keeps raising their credit limit.

          • Huia

            But apparently the left wing opposition are going to put it all right.

          • Harvey Wallbanger

            If they weren’t in the Euro, devaluation would have taken care of it, with a lot less pain than ‘internal devaluation’ by wage cuts, bankrupcies and unemployment lasting years.
            Could be the beginning of the end for the Euro, by making obvious the major disadvantage of a common currency.

          • Dave_1924

            Yes… Greece will need to revert to the drachma and the resultant loss of purchasing power will bring a recovery in the long term by stimulating export trade and tourism. Its going to be unpleasant for Greeks when it happens but I can’t see another way

            The concept of the Euro is fine in concept but it ignores the economic realties of strong and weak economies [Germany and Greece being the classic opposites] – and removes countries ability to set their own monetary policies. This has been coming for a while…

    • Don W

      Greece has been spending money that belongs to people that haven’t been born yet. It seems that will continue but at a much faster rate.

      • shykiwibloke

        Just had a cursory search for a decent analysis of what is likely to happen next. All I could find were clueless reports of how Greece has sufferedd enough etc etc etc.
        It would be good to know of sane blog/news sites in other countries that might offer a sane analysis of unfolding events – Anyone have any suggestions?

        • ex-JAFA

          Sounds like what they mean is that the current generation have suffered enough, and now it’s time to make sure the next generation(s) get a head start on their suffering.

      • Albert Lane

        I understand that Greece was paying superannuation pensions to people aged over 50 (or something around that age). If this is correct, they must have had some clowns running their economy.

  • Don’t run away from a police officer with a gun.

    • johcar

      Or , if you must, don’t wear your belt under your buttocks – your pants might stay up and you’d be able to run better!!

      Edit: clarity

    • Just a thought …

      Yay, one less ” bad guy” to worry about..He also should have shot the idiot in the tie , what a wally ……

  • Hakaru

    A little long but found this on my inbox this am. All good rules to follow.

    Advices from An Old Farmer
    Your fences need to be horse-high, pig-tight and bull-strong.
    Keep skunks and bankers at a distance.
    Life is simpler when you plow around the stump.
    A bumble bee is considerably faster than a John Deere tractor.
    Words that soak into your ears are whispered… not yelled.
    Meanness don’t jes’ happen overnight.
    Forgive your enemies; it messes up their heads.
    Do not corner something that you know is meaner than you.
    It don’t take a very big person to carry a grudge.
    You cannot unsay a cruel word.
    Every path has a few puddles.
    When you wallow with pigs, expect to get dirty.
    The best sermons are lived, not preached.
    Most of the stuff people worry about ain’t never gonna happen anyway.
    Don’t judge folks by their relatives.
    Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.
    Live a good, honorable life… Then when you get older and think back, you’ll enjoy it a second time.
    Don ‘t interfere with somethin’ that ain’t bothering you none.
    Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a Rain dance.
    If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop diggin’.
    Sometimes you get, and sometimes you get got.
    The biggest troublemaker you’ll probably ever have to deal with, watches you from the mirror every mornin’.
    Always drink upstream from the herd.
    Good judgment comes from experience, and a lotta that comes from bad judgment.
    Lettin’ the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier than puttin’ it back in.
    If you get to thinkin’ you’re a person of some influence, try orderin’ somebody else’s dog around..
    Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.
    Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he’ll just kill you.
    Most times, it just gets down to common sense.

    • 1951

      Love the …’lettin’ the cat out the bag is a whole lot easier than puttin’ it back in’…
      something in that line ties-in well with WO.

  • Mikex

    I shouldn’t listen to Morning report but have to comment on their interview with Bob Kerridge this morning, It was about his statements concerning dog attacks in South Auckland. With an incredible 30%+ attacks occuring in South Auckland, he has merely stated the bleeding obvious that it may have something to do with the ethnic mix in that area.
    However the Left play their opening gambit as avid multiculturists and label the observation as racist. This is their way of quickly shutting down any debate on many issues such as this and therefore stifle any attempt to solve the problem.
    As a result there are many problems festering in our society and if we don’t call a spade a spade we are not going to get to the root causes and remedy them.

    • Ilovelife

      Absolutely agree with you. Why is it that when someone states the obvious idiots come out and say it is “unhelpful”. What does that mean? Unhelpful to whom? The mongrels who own mongrels? Well then, good! I have no respect at all for Susan Decoy either.

      • Huia

        Good on him for telling it like it is, The left and msm don’t like the truth, hence referring to terrorist attacks as lone wolf attacks.
        Nothing racist about telling the truth.

      • Bluemanning

        You have to call a shovel a shovel otherwise you don’t get anyway. Regardless the left are digging a hole by avoiding the truth the hole so deep they will never get out of it. IMO Having Devoy in that position, and in fact having that position at all has proven to be racist in itself and to be ‘unhelpful’.

      • hbboy

        I had a good giggle when they compared mistreatment of animals with child abuse – the same area seems to score highly in both it seems. Susan Devoy said Bob Kerridge was wrong, but the stats prove otherwise.

        • Wheninrome

          a known fact, mistreatment of animals in turn leads to violent and anti social behaviour.
          Be nice to kitty and puppy and we will then have nice people. Gareth Morgan, now there is a worry.
          Maybe we could fight ISIS with a free kitten and puppy for the children.

    • Effluent

      I also listened to morning report, and Susie Ferguson’s repeated attempts to put words into Bob Kerridge’s mouth. He was followed by William Sio, who basically confirmed the facts of what Bob Kerridge has said, albeit with some evasiveness and weasel words.
      In the summary at 0800, RNZ provided a slanted and highly selective account, with the inevitable verbal hand wringing from Susan Devoy, who referred to BK’s statement as “unhelpful, racist and wrong”.
      I heard nothing that qualified as either racist or wrong, and “unhelpful” has now become a code word, meaning “anything I do do not want to hear”, when used by the left.
      It seems unlikely that any progress will be made in solving any of the problems besetting South Auckland if we do not recognise and take account of the cultural factors behind many of the antisocial behaviours.

      • Albert Lane

        As much as I despise Sean Plunket for his disgraceful diatribe against Cam this morning, he hit the nail on the head about the dogs, and he suggested that Susan Devoy should pull her head in.

    • Just a thought …

      The same parallel can be drawn for child abuse / MURDER but until people are actually able to discuss the ” blindingly obvious ” elephant in the room , without being labeled a racist , NOTHING will improve ……..

      ed . clarity

    • Bartman

      Ferguson’s repeated insinuations and attempts to incite a racist slip from Kerridge had me yelling at the radio this morning. Why can the media instead not start asking the right questions, such as how can we help solve the obvious problems, i.e., the lower socio-economic areas where dog owners don’t care for them enough to have them properly trained / looked after, dogs that when ‘abused’ in this manner revert to natural instinct and bite whatever comes their way?
      Most Kiwis would agree that the actions required are not just banning certain dog breeds, but fixing up the human issues in the suburbs where the statistics don’t lie and the evidence is staring us in the face!

      • Effluent

        One of the suggestions I think I heard (I was still waking when this was running) was the idea that the dog owners should have to be licenced, not the dogs themselves. This seems blindingly obvious, but given the lack of will to enforce similar legislation on traffic safety offences (other than speeding) I am not holding my breath.

        • Albert Lane

          And all the experts on Radio Live this morning supported Bob Kerridge’s views, blaming the problem on Polynesian immigrants and Maori families whose unregistered and un-fixed pit-bull dogs drop loads of puppies, and they give the puppies to their rellies who don’t train them, they mistreat them, use them as guard dogs, don’t feed them properly and don’t take them to the vet. Registering dog-owners won’t solve the problem, as the owners will ignore this requirement. It’s up to the government to enact laws about dog ownership and the breeds allowed, and the councils to actively enforce the laws.

          • Effluent

            One thought that occurs to me is that the reason so many people in South Auckland keep such dogs is the perception that the area is subject to more that the usual amount of property theft and assault. Maybe if the policing of these areas was more visible and effective, fewer households would go to the trouble of keeping these dogs. They must be a complete nuisance to many of their “owners” and many of their victims are friends and relatives of the. owners. Combine this with effective, fair and consistent enforcement of sensible dog control laws, and I think much of the problem would go away. Of course, this requires effort and $ in these areas, so it is unlikely to happen.

          • Albert Lane

            Well, if we had some decent dog control laws, dog owners would be required to fence their properties, and allow safe access to their front doors. Quite a few respondents on the radio this morning say that aggressive pit-bulls are being used by people to enhance their image as tough guys. They commonly starve, mistreat and beat their dogs. Bob Kerridge says that it is cruel to use dogs as watch-dogs. Dogs are either meant to be working dogs to work with animals, or as companions to people. Not dogs to defend one’s property. That’s why we have burglar alarms.

      • Reaper

        Yes. I am not actually a big fan of pit bulls, but this quote springs to mind (pic)

    • kehua

      A couple of questions, where do the other 70% of attacks occur? If these cross bred Bully type mutts are so dangerous, why are they sold by Kerridge and his mates to the first person that shows up with the money? How many rehomed ex SPCA mutts go on to bite humans or cat n dogs? Why hasn`t microchipping stopped these dog assaults on people? oops know the answer to that one, `because it never was going to in the first place`. Is the SPCA still getting a percentage from every dog chip purchased by responsible dog owners? How much per chip is it? `Lotta dough Aye Bob`. Is the SPCA still the biggest dogkiller in the country? Were the moving drivers for the implementation of Dog Chips the SPCA who get a cut of the take and the NZ Veterinary Assoc who get an even bigger slice of the action ? What has it achieved ?

  • Effluent

    Is there anyone out there ( i.e. a qualified steam locomotive driver) who can explain how steam trains were able to run for decades without causing fires in dry weather? Is this a skill that no longer exists, or were there always problems in summer?

    • Harvey Wallbanger

      They did cause fires… as a kid living in Whangarei, every time a train went through in a drought, you would hear the firs engines soon after. They just put it out without the screaming headlines… %##% happens was the view.

      • Effluent

        Thanks for that. I went looking for an answer on you tube, and of course, there is masses o material, including this gem, a 1940’s documentary on the LMS service to Edinburgh

        • Albert Lane

          Excellent. But if you want a good laugh, click on to the sub-titles. I wonder what comedian put them on?

          • Effluent

            I think the subtitles are the product of Google’s automatic speech recognition software. Shows how far they still have to go with this technology, given the clarity of the narrator’s speech.
            In al this series of docos, the thing that strikes me most is the calm, self confidence of the men doing physically demanding and sometimes dangerous work, with minimal safety gear; they rely on their own skill, craftsmanship, and the watchfulness of their workmates to keep them alive. That, and the smoking…..

          • Albert Lane

            I liked the subtitle about the condoms. But there are many more to laugh about. But the story-line was very good. But I didn’t understand one part of the item. Did the train have to stop to get more water? It seemed to be still moving.

          • Effluent

            Me too. We He.

            No, it runs over a trough beneath the track, and uses a scoop to drive the water into the tender. Another one in the series which is well worth watching is

            general repair ( of a steam locomotive)


            and wash & brush up

            Men were men in those days

            edit- content..

          • Albert Lane

            Thanks Effluent. They say you should learn something new every day, and this day has certainly been one of them. We recently travelled by train in Scotland to avoid taking our car into Glasgow. Car parking was $8 for the day, and it was only a short walk from the station. The seats in the train were very comfortable. We had a table. The windows were large. There was no graffiti. The windows were clean and scratch-free (unlike those in Melbourne). A very pleasurable trip.

    • Lance Ralph

      Mr Wallbanger, below, is correct. Railway lines and surrounding areas were continually burnt over in the days of steam, this leading to the development of a particular type of vegetation. Waikumete Cemetery in Auckland developed a type of gumland scrub with quite rare orchids because it was subject to so much disturbance. Now the trees cannot be removed the vegetation is changing to something far less diverse and far less important.

    • FredFrog

      They did cause fires. Another side effect was that they dripped grease and oil all the time (At every stop you’d see the driver and fireman get out of the cab with grease guns, and regrease certain key points) which had the effect of keeping growth down on the tracks. These days they have to run weedkiller spraying trains

    • shykiwibloke

      Some locomotives were fitted with spark arrestors, while many of the last generation of steamers were oil fired, and had no embers as such to create sparks.
      The earlier locos really did pose a problem, but then the local farmers were busy trying to clear the land anyway I suppose!
      I do recall Southern Pacific Railroad had 20000+ miles of wooden snow sheds through the Sierra Nevada and had permanent fire watch towers. Even then it was not uncommon to loose 100’s of yards of the structures before fires were brought under control.

    • HSV325

      You would probably find several areas where the engines would throw out sparks were already burnt off anyway back in the day so less trackside fires.

  • Moonroof

    Apparently, the flags are flying at half mast on harbour bridge and goverment building at request of the PM, to acknowledge the death of the Saudi king. I kind of wonder why. The death of a Commonwealth leader or equivalent traditionally allied country, sure, but Saudi Arabia?

    • Albert Lane

      Saudi Arabia. The civil-rights capital of the world. The country that supports the right of all religions to build churches. The country that has free driving tuition for women. The country that hates violence and hanging. The country of peace. The country that pays for the construction of mosques all around the free world, with the proviso that no anti-west sermons are delivered. The country that allows free and democratic elections. Based on that, the flags should be at half-mast for a month.

    • sandalwood789

      I felt that the gesture was very poorly-judged. With the Saudis espousing such an evil ideology (and spreading it worldwide), the very *least* we could do was to ignore the death of their king.

      Very poor move, John Key.

      We can now be absolutely certain (as if we weren’t before) that Key will take no action against Islam.

  • caochladh

    This self defecating machine reminded me of the Labour Party – expensive to run for no good purpose.

    • fergus

      Prefer Self fertilising house plant.
      The more they talk the large they grow (in their own mind)

  • fergus

    Breakfast tv.
    Why do we have weather man, more interested in showing his own physique than saying anything meaningful, interview ex masterchef cooks while the person employed to do that job (the Auckland roving reporter) sits next to them eating the food.
    We used to tell jokes about post office(telecom) workers standing around a hole watching while one worked.
    Reminder to “breakfast” management….it’s TAXPAYERS money you are spending.

  • Hemimck

    Called into Bunnings today to buy a single bag of fast-set concrete. Just for conversation I asked at the checkout if it contained any Drymix. Rolling her eyes a bit she said “No” causing me to ask if she had been asked before. “Only a thousand times”.
    Seems it does not need MSM to get the word out.