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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    abactor (noun) – One who steals and drives away cattle or beasts by herds or droves.

    Source : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Abactor

    Etymology : From Late Latin abactor (“cattle rustler”), from abigō (“drive away”); from ab (“from, away from”) + agō (“drive”)

  • GoingRight

    We were puzzled yesterday to see from our appt the flags at the War Memorial Museum flying at half mast but could find no information of a death of someone important enough for this honour. Today I read that they were for the Saudi King who died recently. I am not sure I agree with using this special day in this way to honour such a controversial man. I suppose this is the price of having to show solidarity with those in the west against the new enemy such as IS and the other extremists. I am trying to get my head around what this means to us all by bedding down with such a man and his country where even women can’t have a drivers licence.

    • WeaselKiss

      I guess it just shows how deep western countries are in to the House of Saud.
      What a shame we have to be beholden to such a joint because of their damn oil.
      As for the flags, this toadying reminds me of Obama bowing to the King when they met some years ago.
      (Though some say Obama bent over because he suddenly noticed a bucket of chicken on the floor).

    • rantykiwi

      It’s enshrined in some bit of NZ law that we fly flags at half mast upon the death in office of any foreign head of state.

      • I doubt it.

        • rantykiwi
          • bluemerle

            The MSM won’t mention this small fact!

          • Albert Lane

            We desperately need Rodney to change that legislation too.

          • rantykiwi

            After the balls-up we inherited with his “Super-city” Rodders can leave it well alone thanks.

          • I stand corrected.
            It is stupid, this bit of regulation or what ever it really is should be revoked as there is no way our flag should be at half mast for any muslim nor for any other scum head of state that are out there.
            The laws of the land can be quite stupid at times.

          • stanace

            So just so I get this right, we flew the flags at half mast when North Koreas’ previous head of state died.
            Is that correct, can anyone confirm this?

      • LesleyNZ

        I think you are right.

      • Taser

        Lets see what happens when the horrible little man from North Korea drops off his perch. According to the law, our flags will have to be lowered. Now thats a joke. You can’t pick and choose who gets the honour of a flag lowering.

    • LesleyNZ

      The flags were flying half mast on the AKLD Harbour Bridge as well. I don’t get it as well. Not only is Saudi Arabia is the only country that prohibits women from driving – people renouncing their Muslim faith are punished – with death. A Saudi blogger is in jail for 10 years and is to whipped with a thousand lashes because he criticised clerics . A woman was beheaded in a Saudi street last week and she was screaming her innocence and the person who took the video has now been arrested. I also read that some of the King’s daughters are prisoners of the King. Unfortunately in today’s world our government is pragmatically driven rather than principled – especially as our Governor-General, Sir Jerry Mateparae travelled to Saudi Arabia to represent New Zealand at the ceremony of condolences. I guess if he didn’t go Saudi Arabia will not buy our products. The flags should not have been lowered to half mast in memory of King Abdullah – a murderous tyrant. NZ Herald reports: Eric Crampton, economist and head of research at the New Zealand Initiative think tank, said: “I choose to recognise half-masted flags as mourning the victims of the oppressive Saudi regime.”
      I will think the same now. PM John Key’s condolences to Saudi Arabia – on behalf of the people of New Zealand, does not include me. Prime Minister John Key’s decision to fly the flags at half mast was a pragmatic decision, as I said above – if it hadn’t happened Saudi Arabia would not buy our products.

      • Albert Lane

        The only positive thing I can say about Saudi Arabia is that they have joined in the international effort to destroy ISIL. That’s not because they despise the treatment that ISIL are meting out to Shi’a and Christians and all the other shocking things that are happening, but it’s simply because they don’t want ISIL invading them. And they’re building a huge wall to try to keep them out. Absolute hypocrites, as are the dignitaries who are flocking there to express their heartfelt condolences on behalf of the west. Hypocrites all of them.

    • taurangaruru

      Saudi Arabia has been the biggest exporter of terrorists via their Wahabbi indoctrinations that the world has ever seen. Leaving that to one side they are a brutal bloodthirsty backwards bunch & in no way should we be recognising his death in such a manner. Bad enough we have to trade with these types.

      • Albert Lane

        And that’s an understatement. If anybody can tell us just one positive thing about Saudi Arabia, I’m sure we’d all be pleased to see it. They also fund the construction of mosques in western countries (including NZ), while banning the construction of any churches in Saudi Arabia. The leaders of Saudi Arabia are hypocrites who deserve no respect.

  • Pete

    I just listened to the Dandy Bryce Edwards on TV, apparently Dirty Politics still has some milage to play out this year, and the opposition parties will be pushing it especially JK relationship with Cam. You would have thought they would have learnt their lesson on that by now eh…back to the future.

    • Davo42

      Oh, dirty politics has plenty of mileage left, what with the police investigation which will turn up the real Dirty Politics scandal. However the MSM will play it down when its the other side of the coin.

    • OneTrack

      Just Bryces wishful thinking kicking in again – the left have no policies so they are going to stick with throwing dirt.

    • Sally

      More free advertising for WO.

    • Gaynor

      The way Bryce Edwards was talking he knows everything Angry Andy is going to say ….Must have helped him write it.

      • Sally

        Maybe he is looking for a change of job, Little’s new media guy.

  • Just a thought …

    Ahhh .. I see old ” lyin Lenny” is going to stand again for the Mayoralty…That should end well………

    • Saggy

      Excellent. It’ll give us a chance to show him what we think. Silly, deluded little man.

      • Just a thought …

        Yes it will. I am usually ambivalent about local body elections.. But NOT this time and I will crawl over broken glass to vote …….

    • rantykiwi

      I think this may turn out to be a moot point – I doubt he’ll last in the role until the next election.

      • caochladh

        Len’s a stayer with more than ample amounts of effrontery. I doubt even if a dozen sumo wrestlers armed with crowbars could prize him out of office.

        • Huia

          It would only take one Chinese girl with a tight skirt and he would be out of his office quick as can be, I wouldn’t want to be vacuming the Ngati Whatua room though as I think that’s where he would end up.

    • nellie

      Apparently we do get a say on the 10yr plan. I’ve sent mine in..

    • Dave

      He will last about as long as he did standing for …..what was her name ? Oh, Bevan – that went well too Len. Surely you are not so thick as to put you family, and her through all that again Len?

  • In Vino Veritas

    Coroner Tim Scott has called for “a much stronger warning” to be placed at the Rere Rockslide at Gisborne. Mr Scott does not want to be a killjoy apparently, but thinks signage should include a warning that a person has drowned there, that caution should be exercised and there is danger. This after a Korean kid who could not swim went down the slide and got into difficulty because the pool at the bottom was over his head. Dad, an apparently strong swimmer, went in to rescue and drowned in 2.5m of water.
    Perhaps Mr Scott should have recommended a sign be put up that stupid people should not use the rockslide, since the assumption would be (if you were dumb enough to go down the slide without testing the depth of the pool at the bottom) that the pool was deep enough to prevent anyone from hitting the bottom when the came off the slide.
    Mr Scott does not want to be a killjoy, but in fact does. I’m sure he would recommend putting signs up at beaches all around the country explaining the danger of water and that hundreds of people have drowned in the sea around NZ.

    • Just a thought …

      And where do you put the ” sign ” warning you not to walk into the ” sign” ……….
      ed. Grama

    • Betty Swallocks

      With very few exceptions, Coroners should be made to display warning notices stating “Caution! Decisions made by this person may not bear any relation to real life.”

    • pidge

      Ah, Rere Rockslide! There’s no drop at the bottom of the slide – it’s a natural tilted rock formation, with the slide simply carrying on under the water at more or less the same angle. Don’t forget your car or truck tyre inner tube, though – it saves bruises on your backside.

      • Iva b ginn

        I thought that it was above the rockslide, that he drowned. I have lost count of the number of times I’ve been down the slide and it has never been more than waist deep, that was before it got so popular you go past the rockslide there are cars for miles when R&V is on .

        • kehua

          I have been down the Te Reinga one, no big deal, no stopping either.

          • Iva b ginn

            Been up there hunting years ago but haven’t been down the rockslide

  • Lord Evans

    A case of common household bromhidrosis…

  • HR

    Did anyone watch the doco “The trouble with murder” last night? I got the feeling early on with it that it was going to be very touchy feely. What I got out of it was ” we shouldn’t punish people who have committed violent crime harshly. They are people too, and they need to have some hope that they are going to get out.” No matter that they invaded someone’s home and brutally murdered them, evaded police and had zero remorse. Also had a massive list of prior convictions.
    Then one of the commenters gave an example of Sharia law, and how that was perhaps a good way of dealing with things….

    • fairymai

      I stopped watching after 20mins, the “last moari hanged” became the victim, the poor women he bashed to death was irrelevant… it was appalling..he got exactly what was called for…a good hanging!

      • FatMansTrack

        Gave up at the same time – the constant innuendo that somehow something evil was afoot and that the perpetrators somehow didn’t deserve their fate made the bile rise! Briefly mentioned a farmer hanged for apparently poisoning his wife with arsenic, with arsenic later found in the farm water as evidence that perhaps he was unjustifiably hanged, yet with no details (surely stock would have suffered from similar symptoms) and just a cut-away to Peter Williams going on about how barbaric it all was. It wasnt a doco, it was drama, complete with very poor acting by the players!

    • ex-JAFA

      Apparently longer minimum sentences mean they’re more out of touch when released. That’s true up to a point; I doubt anyone kept in for 100 years would complain on their release about the world having changed. So let’s keep them in until rehabilitation ceases to be an issue.

  • Meta

    A story in the Herald this morning claims that “Saudi Arabia is the only country that prohibits women from driving and punishes people renouncing their Muslim faith with death.”


    This is misleading. Actually many Muslim countries implement the death penalty for apostasy. Wikipedia lists them:


    • Well done. You’re now more professional than a Herald journalist, trained and skilled.

      • Rod

        99.9% of the population are more professional than a Herald journalist…

  • Jafarma

    I take my hat off to Andrew Hoggard from Fed Farmers for stating, and for once to Stuff for printing, this article on farmers and drought. http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/opinion/65442334/stop-putting-boot-into-farmers-over-drought. I only hope those who continually see fit to bag farmers actually read it.

    • Spiker

      Email it to the tip line. :-)

    • justhinking

      Most people would love a shower or two to rescue the garden. Farmers would love more but we are realistic. Most of us dont count on any real rain until mid feb.

      • kehua

        Coming Thurs/Friday I am told.

        • justhinking

          Great the hay has been made , but i am sure there are others with hay down who hope it is fri or sat. Such is farming wouldnt swop it for anything

    • 1951

      Again msm just don’t get things right. Any decent journalist could have written that as Andrew has presented it.

  • rantykiwi

    Have you checked the (whale) oil level today?

  • Sally

    Labour’s leadership contest fundraising
    Little $5k to $6k – none over $500. How does the unions support factor in this?
    Parker $23k
    Robertson – $18K
    Mahuta – still off the grid no figures provided.

    So Little is dead useless at fundraising and no-one in the wider labour community backed him.

    • Hard1

      Surely all the volunteers on Little’s campaign should have been paid at least minimum wage ?.

      • richard.b

        Corrections Hard1: They should have been paid the living wage!

  • Cadwallader

    In last night’s Backchat I mentioned the grinding negativity which is flowing out of the left regarding the TPPA. There are claims its introduction is being sneaked through by JK who will use diversionary tactics including the Cricket World Cup to somehow dupe the NZ public. I cannot discern a single negative in the TPPA but needless to say the twisted view of the Left is that it is all bad. I have actually read the draft document but question whether the whiners in the Left have. Does anyone here know where an unbiased view of the TPPA can be found as I believe the TPPA will be a loud and heavily bashed drum by Labour/Greens this year? Little Angry may give it a twirl or two in his momentous whine tomorrow?

  • Sailor Sam

    Had to bring some people to Auckland Airport yesterday.
    Was intrigued to see a large advertising hoarding about millions of Chinese and how to market property to them. New Zealand is well and truly for sale.

    • When hasn’t NZ been for sale? NZ is a relatively free market for property and has been for pretty much all of its history since 1840.
      So we now have signs up marketing property to Chinese speakers, what’s the problem with that?

      • Sailor Sam

        Depends on whether you are buying or selling in Auckland.
        If you are buying you would dislike it, if you are selling you would like it.

    • Cadwallader

      A brief but exciting history of New Zealand:
      1 A farm for England
      2 A military base for USA
      3 A golf course for Japan
      4 A retirement village for China
      I am contented with all of the above.
      PS Australia is more or less the same except for #1 which would read “Penal Colony.”

      • conwaycaptain

        As long as it isn’t a Harem for a load of Muslim retards

        • Albert Lane

          At least Tony Abbott has stopped the mass influx of “asylum seekers” who arrived in Indonesia without visas, because Muslims can enter Indonesia freely, and they stimulated the local economy by paying huge amounts of money to unscrupulous people with unseaworthy boats to take them into Australian waters, while the corrupt Indonesian authorities turned a blind-eye to what was going on . However, the willingness of the former Gillard and Rudd Labor governments to let them in on humanitarian grounds is going to cause security problems for generations to come. And if anybody can tell us all how many islamic governments take in muslim (or any) refugees for assimilation into their communities, I’m sure we’d like to hear about them.

  • I.M Bach

    While the US hunkers down for a snowstorm of epic proportions Stuff’s report drew some smart comments regarding ‘global warming’…


    Looking at the downvotes it would appear there are still many gullible people out there and the scam isn’t over yet.

  • nellie

    Am loving the Genesis share price. Must be due for some extra free shares soon too…

    • Wheninrome

      It is a sure indication of what a left government would have done to the financial markets, imagine the bottom would have fallen out of the share market, companies would have struggled for credit ratings based on their share price, jobs would have been lost, so on and so on.
      The mere threat of a left government effected the share prices of companies. The actual fact of a right government effected the share price of companies, BUT in a positive way which has to be good for the economy.

      • ex-JAFA

        Has whatever was left last week of the Greek stock exchange bothered to open this week? I imagine an already dire situation will have just become more worser.