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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    aboulomania (noun) – Paralysis of the will; pathological indecisiveness.

    source : https://www.wordnik.com/words/aboulomania

    Etymology : from Greek a–, meaning “without”, and boulē, meaning “will”

    • Synonym: Any green party follower.

    • sandalwood789

      Key is suffering from this with his inaction over the “Sabin affair”.

  • Ilovelife

    Well I’ll be blowed! The Herald gives John Keys speech twice the marks it gives Andrew Little’s and Claire Trevett writes the most common sense about Eleanor Catton’s childish outburst of anyone so far. Wonders will never cease!

    • Carl

      I have to admit that I was surprised that Duncan Garner gave Angry Andy a hammering on his radio show yesterday about how his speech was boring and lacking in substance, it was great.

      • mommadog

        Enjoy for now but it wont last and they will be back to National bashing before you know it. Just read Cams next post on John Key before coming to the general forum and he’s (JK) potentially giving them a reason to start some bashing soon.

        • Carl

          Garner had a go about the Sabin thing with John Key when he interviewed him, it was just good to hear him being balanced and giving it to both sides for a change.

      • Jas

        Did the speech writer get paid by the number of words? One would think in today’s world short sharp speeches carry way more weight then long winded ones. And especially at a breakfast where there is food to be eaten rather than listen

        • IKIDUNOT

          I only saw a few cardboard coffee cups on the table…didn’t realise Labour was that broke.

  • yoyoyo

    One of these things is not like the other..

    Perhaps Robertson would like to be known as Gromit?

    Shamelessly hacked from NZHorrid.co.nz

    • R&BAvenger

      Comment/Photo of the day surely????

  • Euan Ross-Taylor

    “Mr Little has the luxury of time to produce more definitive solutions to the issues still facing the country, Mr Key does not. He urgently needs to give his Government new themes and impetus. This time last year he announced an imaginative education initiative, yesterday was an opportunity lost.”

    This is how the Herald editorial finishes on yesterdays State of the Nation speeches. Is the editor saying that the idea of Charter Schools was an imaginative initiative? Because that is so far from what they reported at the time!

    Also the editor has this gem, “This is not (yet) a Government on the slide. But if could be, very soon, if it does not have some fresh ideas.”

    It would be just as true to say, “The opposition needs to take the initiative this year as National is heading for an unprecedented 4th term with the country striding forward in success in every area.”

    What an absolute airhead.

    • Cadwallader

      I am not sure “airhead” is right. I think what is willfully intended here is to sow a field full of seeds that the government is about to collapse in self-destruction etc. The implication of “yet” is to instill a belief that all is already not stable in the camp. How anyone could derive any merit from Little’s wobbly rubbish defies reason. It us the msm’s business as usual!

    • The Accountant

      Keep flogging the horse, it only won the Melbourne Cup!

  • Wheninrome

    And now Mr Hoskings says we should pay “millions” to Mr Bain as he was found “not guilty”.
    So has the oracle spoken and we should all just nod our heads to this “wise” media man.
    In the second trial I thought his guilt was not proven, NOT that his innocence was proven, after all he did not take the stand and answer any questions.
    Most innocent people would try their hardest to prove their innocence and be happy to answer questions, most unusual not to.

    • He got it right with Lance Armstrong too – not.

    • Cadwallader

      Mike Hosking’s programme used to be an informative morning news show, now it is a vehicle for showing-off and being as you say, an oracle. I think he is clever and generally on target but glossiness seems to be his chief characteristic these days. I suppose it is a type of cult building. (It is great that Smallbrain is still away though!)

      • DavidW

        Aaaah, finally proof that you can polish a turd.

        • DavidW

          Or perhaps it is just rolled in glitter!!

          • Cadwallader

            The most irritating portion of Hosking’s show is where the sports jocks and the screeching newsreader get together just before 6.30am and yell at each other for about 5 minutes. It is rowdy and pointless in that it seldom expands on anything other than their egos.

      • JustTinkering

        This seems to ring true with many in Radio now. This year Sean Plunkett is coming across with the same show off style. He says ‘I am listening to you’, but introduces snide innuendos and anyone who disagrees with his point of view is quickly put down. He always finishes with a ‘polite’ thank you for your view. What was good listening has now become a programme all about Sean. His new house, his long driveway, his large hedge and more. Good talent gone to waste through his own sense of importance.

        • Albert Lane

          Yes, this morning he even said that he doesn’t hate anybody. Gosh, that’s interesting. So all the very nasty stuff he said about Cam the other day was just in fun? So he would now like to see Cam win the boxing? And the bit about the nail was also in fun. Sorry Sean. As much as I agree with quite a lot of what you have said in the past, the virulent verbal attack on Cam totally changed my opinion of you, and now I think you’re a self-opinionated prick. And based on this morning’s statement about not hating anybody, that seems to me to be a downright lie unless you have sincerely apologised to Cam in the past couple of days.

    • rantykiwi

      I’ll tell you what Mr Hosking; if you feel so strongly on the matter why don’t you give him several million of your own money? He certainly doesn’t deserve any public money (doubly so after the $3M of legal aid he’s had).

      • HR

        Why doesn’t Mr. Hosking have David Bain to stay at his place for a week? And Joe Karam perhaps? I wonder if Mr. Hosking would lock up the firearms really really securely?
        Wouldn’t that be the ultimate irony…..

        • IKIDUNOT

          To be fair, I can’t see Mr Hosking and a fire arm together…he’s not the ‘type’ and prefers verbal bullets…

          • Dave

            And to be fair, in terms of his verbal bullets, he is more of a marksman than any other media commentator in NZ.

    • mommadog

      From what I understand you are correct. Legally guilt was not proven but he was never found innocent. Not the same thing at all. I feel as strongly about it as RantyKiwi below.

      • Older Chas

        From what I understand – there is no need to “find innocence” because innocence is presumed until proven guilty?

    • InnerCityDweller

      Not wanting to put too fine a point on this, as I tend to agree with your underlying sentiment, but does one not generally end up in court being found “not guilty” instead of “innocent”?

    • intelligentes candida diva

      Mike Hoskings is dull, he was once vibrant and exciting …yawn yawn yawn

    • intelligentes candida diva

      Dont have to prove innocence.

      Thats what is wrong today too many people are trying to prove their innocence rather than the correct processes doing the work honestly and accurately to prove what they are saying and this goes beyond crime.

      I had a situation last year that had so much ambiguity in it. I did not try to prove my innocence but I damm well did a lot of analysing and questioning sought answers. Of course I put my case forward in my defence but didnt labour that point.

      Edit add on…and I was finally vindicated

      • pak

        Good for you. Too many people give up “for the sake of peace” when in fact there is only peace when Truth is given a voice.

    • Sagacious Blonde

      I wish juries had a ‘not proven’ option.
      I served on a jury where the Crown did a shocking job of presenting the case. While we felt that the perpetrator was guilty, the benchmark of beyond reasonable doubt applied and a conviction was not possible.
      I still can see the victim’s face as ‘not guilty’ was pronounced; and the smirk on the abuser’s face.

  • Interesting item.
    “The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society won a ridiculous donation tonight at the annual Goed Geld Gala (Good Money Gala) in Amsterdam, enough they say to build their “ideal ship.”
    With the 8.3 million euro donation, Sea Shepherd CEO Alex Cornelissen says they “will now be able to have a custom-designed ship built, capable of achieving speeds that far exceed any of the vessels in our current fleet.”

    • mommadog

      If we could only put that sort of financial support into our Navy….

      • Aucky

        No more ships but a few more Commodores and a couple of Vice-Admirals.

        • conwaycaptain

          In the UK now they are having a clean out of the top brass, Colonel equivalent and above

    • marcus

      After the debacle with the poachers in the southern ocean our Navy should get a funding cut and Sea Shepherd deserves every cent of that money.

    • OneTrack

      I hope it’s a sailing ship. Haven’t they heard of global warming?

      • marcus

        It wont be a sailing ship. There is No chance to catch poachers with a sailing ship. But with the planet relying on our oceans for survival and with Sea Shepherd as one of the most respected anti poaching Organizations we have, i think using fuel to combat this epidemic that is destroying life in our oceans is acceptable.. While most people do nothing to help.

  • pisces8284 .

    I had to mute Breakfast as they trotted out people in support of Catton. It was still on mute when they had Angry Andy on. When you only have his face and no sound he looks quite menacing

    • Aucky

      Expect a lot of huffing and puffing about about freedom of speech from the media luvvies of the Peoples Republic of Aotearoa-Grey Lynn. To quote an old Canterbury saying I think that they will be ‘pissing into a Nor’wester’ on this issue because Joe Blow Kiwis don’t like their country being dissed from afar by a fellow Kiwi.

  • rantykiwi

    It’s good to see that Little is performing about as expected – the buffoon promised to lower NZ’s unemployment to be lowest in the OECD, but had no idea what the lowest was. Situation normal – a Labour leader making ill-defined, uncosted promises that they have no hope of ever fulfilling.

  • I have a close relative staying who believes every conspiracy theory going. It is incredibly frustrating dealing with people who buy into these things. Even when you show them that a conspiracy they believe in is fake – as in a complete fabrication by a film company they still dismiss that as part of the conspiracy. How do you cope with a relative that you love but still want to beat about the head with a club made of skepticism and fact?

    • caochladh

      Have some fun with him. Make up some outrageous conspiracy tales that could not possibly be true to add to his collection.

      • Mate, two days and I have already had 9/11, Jews controlling the world, Aliens, Rockerfeller’s missus inventing feminism to control the workforce (or something – I was getting a bit fuzzy about that time) and the latest was ‘aquatic apes’ and mermaid conspiracy.

        • caochladh

          Here’s a starter for 10. The PM is really a lizard………
          http://io9.com/the-new-zealand-prime-minister-publicly-denies-being-a-1523573490

          • MaryLou

            Love that one. Apparently JK can’t prove it’s not true, and parliamentary services have no information on file to refute it!

        • 1951

          Clearly this is a relation that hasn’t a very long life span. It is obvious he has too little to do . Give him a wire brush and send him up on the roof to prepare it for painting or some other chore that needs doing.

          • He is 66.

          • 1951

            Oh dear, so he has always been the way. Can’t even blame the exuberance of youth for that sort of mindset. Let me guess, maybe a retired school principal? Why not suggest the Tongariro Crossing for some exercise.

          • No, just one of those people who find a million reasons why ‘the system’ is responsible for their failures in life. All a big conspiracy to keep them down – and somehow it is all related. Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld seem to figure prominently.

        • MaryLou

          Haha – are you sure he actually believes it? My family spends a lot of time groaning at me – my favourite programmes are Mountain Monsters (or similar), Ancient Aliens – and I really did enjoy the faux-doco on Mermaids. I don’t believe them, but an adventurous part of me would love them to be true. It’s like a favourite fiction book – fun new theories, but not serious!

          Maybe he’s just loving your reaction?

        • Benoni

          Just because you’re paranoid , it does not mean that someone is not out to get you.

        • Gaynor

          I get customers like that , always looking for a book to prove their latest conspiracy theory. Would be ok if they didn’t try and share it. There are some real nutters out there.

    • R&BAvenger

      By him some tin-foil to make into a hat…that might get your point across.

    • intelligentes candida diva

      I was taught to cope with another you love dont talk politics, money or religion.
      Alternatively enjoy them as they are and the debates discussions for just that.

    • sandalwood789

      I feel your pain – I too would find that to be banging-head-against-wall stuff.

      I go with the “have some fun with him” approach. See if you can convince him that aliens are involved in all of his “theories”.

      Trying to change his mind is a lost cause.

    • pak

      Clearly doing your head in. You can still love this person but have them stay somewhere else!

    • kehua

      Send him/her to the Moon, oops that`s right I forgot……….

  • All_on_Red

    How Marine Le Pen is winning France’s gay vote
    ” in the space of two months, five gay men were murdered in the city. The blame was put on Bordeaux’s Muslim community since some of these hate crimes were carried out by people of Arabic origins.’”
    “The Front National now offers a welcoming home to gay people who feel judged by Muslims and share wider concerns about immigration and the loss of French identity.”
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9420662/how-marine-le-pen-is-winning-frances-gay-vote/
    Will we see that redoubt of Progressive Liberalism, the feminist movement join as well? Nah- don’t think so.

    • Cowgirl

      Ooh that’s a good political move by Ms Le Pen.

  • Rob

    Russell Norman has a new baby. Great but that is number 3 apparently. Aren’t humans the blight on the planet? Don’t greens want large population decrease. Another hypocrisy obviously it doesn’t apply to Gaia’s silver seed.

    • Disinfectant

      Might be eyeing up “working for families”.
      Edit: added word.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    According to National Geographic Tiger numbers have been increasing, I think that is great because to see them in their natural habitat is on my to do list. They are one of the most magnificent animals.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/01/150120-india-tiger-conservation-animals-science/

    • Cowgirl

      I saw a statistic that said their numbers in India were up by as much as 30% – yahoo! They are my favourite animal and my Chinese one.

    • pak

      India is probably still the best place to go if you want to see tigers. Magnificent creatures. Visited Kanha National Park (Madya Pradesh) many years ago and was an amazing experience. Spent Christmas/New Year that year in jungle camp. Great fun and many bottles of champagne consumed! We rode elephants into the jungle and were able to get very close one day to a tiger and 3 small cubs. Sadly no cameras allowed, however, in case any flashes disturbed them. Lots of bird life and animals we could get pics of though. One day a leopard ran through the camp – great excitement!

      • intelligentes candida diva

        That sounds a wonderful experience and it is India I would go. i have watched a documentary with pretty much the same scenario but minus the champagne

        • pak

          One of those once-in-a-lifetime trips for me. We had a night at famous Tollygunge Club (220 year old Country Club), watched a group of N.Z. polo players next day, golf, then onto private train carriage overnight trip to Kanha. 20 or so expats from Hong Kong including a few hooray-Henries but v. entertaining. Tigers though the highlight.

  • Shane M

    Love it or loath it, art is supposed to challenge our perceptions of the world we live in… Unless, of course, that artwork depicts shoes on a mat.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11374899/Blasphemous-artwork-removed-from-Paris-exhibition.html

  • sandalwood789

    All of Greece’s economic problems will do wonders for school economics textbooks in the future.

    Greece’s plight proves yet again (as if more proof were needed) that running an economy on socialism works about as well as running an engine on dirt.

    • MaryLou

      It’s funny how often we need to be reminded of that Truth. And even then, there are some who never understood it in the previous lessons – N Korea, Russia etc etc etc….

      • sandalwood789

        “It’s funny how often we need to be reminded of that Truth.”

        Yes, and the Labour and Greens voters *still* don’t know that it’s true.
        To paraphrase Col. Jessup –
        “they can’t handle the truth.”

  • pidge
  • NotGandalf

    I see John Banks is going to retrial over his electoral returns – this again harks back to the different stories from KDC and the Banks’s. The way story is portrayed on Stuff is that he ‘faces retrial’ – and I cannot help but feel that the wording implies he is being brought before the courts a second time under the implication that it is he who has something to answer for. The reality is that Mr Banks has challenged the original findings of the court, Mrs Banks has done the research and the ground work in locating the two US businessmen who were also at the same meeting with the Banks’s and KDC, and that the two US businessmen have backed Mr Banks over KDC, thereby justifying Mr Banks initiation of proceedings to have the original decision overturned – it is not John Banks who faces retrial, it is KDC and the inept justice system in this country who are being brought to account. I have stated before that I am no fan of John Banks, but I believe he got railroaded by KDC, and that another chicken is about to come home to roost for Der Grossen Krout. Just to confirm this is all public domain information.
    EDIT: Added final comment.

    • pak

      Good to have that clarified. Have not followed this closely and my reaction when I heard the report as it was presented on news this morning was really can’t they let it go, waste of money etc. I agree John Banks got done over and I hope the retrial will clear his name once and for all and the dumb judge who believed KDC and his wife over Mr & Mrs Banks ends up with egg all over his face.

      • Edward Bufe

        Egg all over the judge’s face is not good enough, he should be made to resign and bought to account for this railroading of John Banks and Johns wife put in charge of Attorney general’s position.

    • All_on_Red

      It will be interesting to see if Mr and Mrs Dotcom’s evidence changes at all.

    • kloyd0306

      You mean Stuff actually writes headlines designed to mislead?

      Now there’s a shock…….

  • MaryLou

    Lovin’ this (pic):

  • Ilovelife

    Has an analysis ever been done of the number of grants, residencies and funding Eleanor Catton has received? I understand she has had her fair share.

    • MaryLou

      That could be remarkably amusing! I wonder if there is anything on public record?!?

      • Quinton Hogg

        Have a look at wikipeadia.

  • I.M Bach

    Again we see the old “one rule them and another for us” routine.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/65532499/tevita-li-discharged-without-conviction-for-drink-driving-offence

    Because this guy “could” get a contract with some rugby team or other he is discharged without conviction. What a croc. The tolerance was zero. That’s nil, nada, nothing. You either accept that rule or you don’t drive.

    This sort of selective ‘justice’ makes me want to puke.

    • Tony

      I agree. I am sick to death of the judiciary deciding that possible potential in employment is a reason for discharge without conviction. It is time that this discharge without conviction is removed from the legislation. People should understand that they take their consequences of their action. After all there is the clean slate provision which will assist them later in life. Also it is possible that some countries do consider issuing a visa even with a conviction if appropriate.

      • I.M Bach

        Yes, the clean slate thing was/is a good idea but it only applies in NZ. If you wish to go to (say) the USA or Canada you must declare all convictions (including drink driving) and apply for border clearance. So what? If you have done the crime, do the time, even if that time lasts all your life. Tough.

  • axeman

    Has anyone read angry Dita De Boni ‘s rant on the Hearld this morning??
    Please Please just give me a paper that reports facts and not opinion pieces as I am old enough to form my own

    • OneTrack

      Dita has proved she is in the hard-left nutbar category so I don’t bother reading it. Generally a logic-free zone.

  • Dazza

    Thanks goodness another crisis averted, what will Angry Andy do if we already have the lowest unemployment rate in OECD come 2017, declare a crisis of “too much employment”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/65543087/job-adverts-jump-10-per-cent-in-2014-seek

  • Cadwallader

    Sabin’s gone! By-election on the way.

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