Whaleoil Investigates – Who is Andrew Little? Ctd

During the Labour leadership campaign Andrew Little released this video on his vision for the Labour Party.

commented on this on the 15th of November.

Here is the transcript:

You know, working with the union, as a lawyer, and then as an advocate and as the secretary, you’re dealing with people and the things that they do that make their lives good. What you earn, how you earn, how fairly you’re treated, those things make a big difference to people’s lives. And for the businesses that people are working for, too, the rules that they have to work under decide whether or not the business can succeed, or is a good business.  

And I decided that rather than just working under the rules, I wanted to be part of setting the rules, and the policies, the things that make a big difference. And realising too that there are choices that as a country we can make, and the choices we make are whether everybody gets to benefit, or just a few. And I’m very clear, we’ve got to have laws and policies and rules that means that everybody gets a chance, to be treated properly, treated fairly, to be paid fairly, just a chance to get ahead, because that’s what New Zealand has always been built on.

The Labour Party has been there for New Zealand at its moments of biggest change, actually the moments of biggest challenge, so when in the first Labour Government, dealing with mass unemployment and people who were homeless, couldn’t get into a home, it was the Labour government of the time that made sure that people, not just got work but got meaningful work, and were fairly paid and fairly treated. That people got into homes that were safe and warm. And led us through World War Two, and was there carving out an independent foreign policy, all those things that have made a big difference. And the most recent Labour Government setting up things like KiwiSaver, so that people have a chance to put a bit aside for themselves for their retirement.

And we’re about to face some big changes, about work, and the future of work, and to be honest I don’t trust the current mob to do anything that’s going to look after people. Labour has always been the party for whom people have been at the front and centre of their decision-making and their policies. And that’s me, I want to make sure that Labour is in government at these crucial times, because if we’re not, people get left behind.

I’ve led big change in an organisation before, with the EPMU. I led it through some pretty significant change, from an old-style sort of regional union to a modern, nationwide, high-impact organisation that made a real difference. And actually, the challenges that the union faced ten or fifteen years ago are the issues that the Labour Party is facing now. And I think that I’ve got the personal skills to lead through change, deal with the ups and downs and the difficulties with it, but also to help us reconnect with a whole bunch of New Zealanders who have just gone off us.

You know, I want a New Zealand where everybody has a role to play, people can work and earn for themselves and provide for themselves. That we have, the way our economy is structured, the way we treat people, we have a great sense of fairness, and so that people are provided for. And for those people who can’t be in work, for reasons outside their control, which I think is going to be a bigger problem for all of us, that they are properly supported and looked after, and that we don’t stigmatize people who don’t fit these kind of old economic patterns that we’ve imposed on ourselves for so long.

So I want a country where people feel good about themselves, have a place, have a role to play, can look after themselves, can pursue their dreams, and we are peaceful and safe. That’s a good place to be.

Full commentary and thoughts about Andrew Little will follow once all the source material is referenced.

Meanwhile do what I do, watch, listen and learn…politicians give themselves away.


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  • Jas

    ‘And for those people who can’t be in work, for reasons outside their control, which I think is going to be a bigger problem for all of us’

    Should he also change this slightly to

    And for those people who can’t be in work, for reasons within their control, which I think is going to be a bigger problem for all of us’

  • Murray Smith

    I’m very clear, we’ve got to have laws and policies and rules that means that everybody gets a chance, to be treated properly, treated fairly, to be paid fairly, just a chance to get ahead, because that’s what New Zealand has always been built on.

    This statement rings alarm bells to me. The commies are coming !

    • Hard1

      Andy had a chance. But now there are no chances?. What happened, Andy.
      Where have all the chances gone?.

  • Cadwallader

    Governments do not create real jobs. End of story!

    • kayaker

      Right on! The more A.little and his ilk say that, the more the entitlement culture will grow. It’s a vote-catching exercise when a politician talks about ‘creating jobs’ – then when they get into power (heaven help!) and the jobs do not materialise, then it’s the gummint’s fault. But that’s OK, the gummint will just introduce more benefits and all will be well with the world.

      Seriously though, Governments should be about creating and fostering the environment for economic growth where jobs and aspiration flourish. It’s the people who create their own opportunities, not the government.

    • Kiwibabe

      Not sustainably, nor jobs which produce the wealth required to pay for government jobs, moreover bureaucracy becomes a means unto itself witness Auckland Council.

  • dgrogan

    Here’s the thing. Angry Andy Little’s ‘constituents’ (I use the term in the broader party sense) are a diminishing group, in our buoyant economy.

    The Labour party finds itself increasingly irrelevant. It’s support base is reduced to a bunch of union delegates, the Labour beltway, most Maori electorates and a bunch of disaffected losers.

    Angry Andy Little’s doctrine has not kept up with this reality. He reminds me of the old railroad companies who thought they were in the business of railroads, rather than transport.

    • Whitey

      The railroad comparison is spot on. Little seems to have exactly the same limited, inflexible mindset.

  • In Vino Veritas

    So Little couldn’t coerce people to join Unions whilst he was a unionist, and has decided to sort that out by becoming an MP, then potentially PM, where he can coerce people to join unions. Socialism survives through coercion.

    • Dave

      He didnt coerce enough people to vote for him in New Plymouth, he failed there too, TWICE. He failed to get the mojority of Caucas to vote him in as Leader, so all round, he is already a failure.

  • Just a thought …

    Would you vote for a man in a ” plaid ” shirt ……….

    • la la land

      no ofcourse not – but he is appealing to blue collar workers…

      • twr

        How many of those are there left?

        • la la land

          Clearly very few in Taranaki!

      • Just a thought …

        You are to harsh…. even ” blue collar ” workers have some fashion sense….

      • Albert Lane

        Yes, he already has the academics, unionists, and journalists in his hand, but he needs to get the honest, hard-working, moral working people of this country on board, and that’s his big problem. The only way for him to become PM one day is to persuade the working people that he’s their man. And like other Labour politicians from the past, he’ll promise the world to get those votes. The only problem is that our working people are too smart to put their faith in him and his empty promises. I hope.

  • Mags

    I know this sounds superficial …but I find him difficult to listen to. He has a very low voice that doesn’t draw me listen. I had to force myself. He has a very heavy manner and doesn’t seem to show any joy or enthusiasm.

    • Penny

      Totally agree – I started getting really frustrated and switching off.

    • kayaker

      I’m with you on that Mags. I took a look/listen at this video when it first came out, the droning sound of his voice had me shutting off after a couple of minutes (if that long). The plaid shirt, the poorly thought out ‘studio’ setting, the generally dull demeanour of it all does not inspire.

      • Mags

        I suppose at least it’s authentic:)

      • taurangaruru

        A dour man in a dour setting, my god it looks awful, reminds me of Helen Clarke. Mean spirited, mean with money. Can you imagine approaching a bar to buy a beer with him, he would be ducking behind your back making excuses that he forgot his wallet, unable to pay for the drinks.

        • ex-JAFA

          They’re only mean with their own money. Let them near somebody else’s, and they’re a veritable ATM!

          • Albert Lane

            Especially if they think they can get some votes out of it. And if you look at past Labour leaders, that’s how they work. Take uneducated third-world country immigrants (sorry – refugees), house them, fund them, support them, allow their families and parents in, and they will repay you by voting for you. And that’s only one example. There are many more, as you’ll know.

        • jonesboy70

          It amazing that comments on Whale Oil are so in tune with my own thinking
          The only thing Helen Clarke was good at was giving the surpluses away to get more votes
          I still dislike her imensely and Andrew Little is less than inspiring , I’m sure h won’t last the distance

    • dgrogan

      When was the last time you saw a socialist express any joy or enthusiasm? The two are mutually exclusive.

      • Kiwibabe

        “Vote Positive” just didn’t ring true!

  • R&BAvenger

    Still no mention of personal responsibility?

    Also “… I want a country where people feel good about themselves, have a place, have a role to play, can look after themselves, can pursue their dreams, and we are peaceful and safe. That’s a good place to be.”

    Angry Little Andy hasn’t realised that we are already in this place.

    The problem is that we have too many people with their hand out expecting someone else to do all the heavy lifting, decision making to ensure you have enough $$$$ to look after yourself, persue your dreams etc etc.

  • digby

    Little (and Labour as a group) seems to think that they are the only ones who wish that people get work, were treated fairly and were paid fairly. I would expect that all parties wish for this. Its each parties understanding of what this means is where the problem lies.
    Labour thinks that a workers commitment of turning up and putting in 8 hours work equates with an owners / entrepreneurs commitment of risking capital, putting in 10-14 hours per day plus weekends.
    Unfortunately there are a small number of business owners who do not treat workers fairly but that is dwarfed by the number of workers who do not treat their business owners well.
    The union movement is not a great vehicle for sorting out this group of business owners. They have proven to be power hungry ransom demanding fools in many occasions. Their involvement led to ridiculous situations where people were not paid fairly. Small groups of people were paid extremely well (think ports / railways / pulp mills etc) to the detriment of many industries. They are an extremely negative approach to solving the problem of greed amongst the minority of business owners.
    An independent Government monitored department with effective powers to make rulings where complaints are made would be a far more effective path for fixing the problem.

  • Whitey

    “So I want a country where people feel good about themselves, have a place, have a role to play, can look after themselves, can pursue their dreams, and we are peaceful and safe. That’s a good place to be.”

    We can all agree that this is what we want, and I think for the most part we’ve achieved it in NZ. But the wealth redistribution and welfare model Labour promotes will only undermine this goal. When you work hard, build up a business, create jobs, and contribute to society, only to have a whacking great chunk of your hard-earned remuneration taken away to fund someone whose dream is to sit on their backside smoking bongs all day, how does that make you feel good? How is that “a good place to be”? And is the bong smoker really any better off? Maybe financially, but he has no role to play and does not look after himself. Living off handouts destroys human dignity.

    • Coffee Connoisseur

      The more civilized among us use a vapouriser, its far healthier….oh and we build up businesses, create jobs and contribute to society too. What a crazy world we live in.

      • dgrogan

        Like a CGT, tax hikes for rich pricks, free food in schools, a ‘living wage’ for ‘workers’, exorbitantly paid parental leave, etc, you mean, CC?

        • Coffee Connoisseur

          yep and just like Rio Tinto, Hollywood and now possibly Sky City for the right.
          The thing is both sides can have what they want in a highly automated system where a key goal of society is to automate peoples roles so less and less people need to work or people need to far work less depending on which way you want to look at it.

          • dgrogan

            And who gets to decide which ones work? Those that don’t, I suppose, right? After all SOMEONE has to earn the money.
            Just out of interest, have you ever read a book called, “The Little Red Hen”?

          • Coffee Connoisseur

            sorry d

            “And who gets to decide which ones work?”

            in what context?

          • Coffee Connoisseur

            Who gets to decide which ones work?
            We do as a society. We determine how it should be set up. It isn’t dictated by anyone.
            As far as money goes what we have now won’t work as more and more people will not need to work. (consider that where we are heading with automation in Capitalism more and more people will be out of work as more and more roles get automated or will end up in those remaining very low paying jobs that it just doesn’t make financial sense to automate even though we would have the technology to do so….and there’s only so many cleaners needed.
            I have read the little red hen…. when I was about 5.
            Its not about that. What its about is continual improvement. If there is a better way of structuring the system because the world we live in and the technology has changed in a way that enables us to do it, then we should at the very least be prepared to look at better alternatives and how they could improve our lives.
            This is no different conceptually than moving from horse and cart to automobiles and you are the guy with the horse and cart saying have you read chicken little.
            Why not take a look at the automobile and see how it could solve many of the problems with the horse and cart?

      • Kiwibabe

        Looking at your list:
        Corporate welfare; a valid issue to be concerned with but actually small in occurrence and relative magnitude.
        Watering down of labour laws; minimal with things like 90 day trial period being beneficial for employers to take a punt with especially young people to allow them to prove themselves.
        High salaries of CEOs; irrelevant to returns to society, workers and shareholders. CEOs who produce a well performing organisation get a incentive to work very hard to achieve results. The stronger the organisation the more it contributes to society through employment stability and growth, innovation and taxes.
        Removing middle management, and introducing automaton, to reduce head count; valid concerns, however all organisations must continually strive to be highly efficient to survive and continue to be able to provide the benefits to society above.
        Offshoring, and migrant labour; globalisation cannot be undone and overall is economically beneficial. Eg, TVs and vacuum cleaners now cost much less than 25 years ago, so win win and people who used to make those here now do different work.
        Life, and indeed, nature, is a competition to do better, which the state is poor at doing.
        Socialist protectionism and state control ALWAYS results in seriously stagnated economies which seriously hurt those at the bottom, precisely who it purports to benefit, the most.

        • Coffee Connoisseur

          not arguing any of that – again there are better systems and we now have Systems Analysis so we can determine the best system for us all. We have only had this ability to determine this for the past 30 years – a relatively short timeframe and only recently have people started applying it to our system.
          What we should be having a conversation about is moving to a highly Automated society with a cornerstone principle of automating as many roles as possible. In such a system people would be able to shift pretty quickly (10 – 20 years) from 5 day wee 2 day weekend to 3 day week four day weekend.
          Doing so would also solve many of the problems we face as a society and solve problems that the systems we have used so far have been unable to solve.

  • Bart67

    “these kind of old economic patterns that we’ve imposed on ourselves”
    That’s a very funny way of saying ‘democracy and capitalism’ isn’t it?

    • Coffee Connoisseur

      Capitalism is a dog of a system when looked at the context of what the system should be for.

      • Tony

        and since inception as well. Capitalism as an econmic concept is older than Communism

        • Kiwibabe

          And communism is thus the shorter lived! Which Comrade Clark and angry Andy and supporters have yet to figure out.

      • Kiwibabe

        Capitalism is the best system, no contest, but is far from perfect, does not reward indolence and incompetence, and is consistent with the reality of life and nature; competition.
        Would like better, but socialism and communism are ideologies which simply don’t work at all as intended.
        So, we have to make capitalism and distribution better, without undermining the essence of capitalism.

        • Coffee Connoisseur

          Crazy concept – there are better alternatives than Capitalism, Communism and Socialism.

        • Coffee Connoisseur

          “Capitalism is the best system, no contest.”

          Only of the ones we have used to date

          . It is unfortunately a very long way from being the best system and by its very nature will never be the best system for mankind.

          Capitalism It is one that like many systems has evolved over time and as with many systems that evolve if they don’t address the key requirements that they should then they begin to create a number of issues. Attempts to resolve them within the bounds of the same system unfortunately while they may fix an immediate issue often create others as the true requirements remain unresolved.

          Determining the best system depends on who and what the system is or should be for.

  • Dave

    Andrew and his ministers will take account of that, they will have all 50K weights trimmed to 20 K weights, so the strongest in society have less, and then he will offer assistance to the weak, give them extra assistance so the 20K can be lifted for them, leaving them happy to sit on the couch of life forever.

    Hey Andy, what will you do when those with high incomes leave the country, and those companies, or Parisites as you call them, change their ownership structures to avoid the rich taxes, who will you tax then…… oops!