Party that campaigned on undermining national security upset they are not invited to the national security meeting

Credit: Mark Mitchell

Credit: Mark Mitchell

How precious can you get?   The Green Taliban have spent years saying the likes of the GCSB should be disbanded, our armed forces should not enter theatres of war, and the SIS and the Government can’t be trusted, but they would very much like to be part of the group of people to deal with national security issues.

National and Labour have shut all other parties out of Parliament’s most powerful committee – the committee that will oversee a major review of the country’s intelligence services.

The move has caused a rift between Labour and the Greens, with co-leader Russel Norman fuming at being left out.

The review of our spying agencies comes after a furore over revelations in 2013 that 88 Kiwis were spied on illegally by the Government Communications Security Bureau and a subsequent tightening up of the law.

For the past couple of parliamentary terms, Labour has nominated one of its own MPs and one Green MP to be on the committee.

But new Labour leader Andrew Little has made a Captain’s Call, appointing himself and intelligence spokesman David Shearer instead.

Green Party co-leader Russel Norman has unleashed on Twitter, accusing National and Labour of an “old boys’ club”.

“Illegal spying at GCSB happened under Lab and Nat ministers. And SIS persecution of Zaoui happened under Lab – courts found SIS in wrong,” Dr Norman posted on Twitter.

Apart from the fact that it is very clear there is no love lost between Labour and the Green Taliban after the election, it is clear that the Green party aren’t going to be constructive partners.

Just look how they sabotaged the taxpayer out of a billion dollars by running a sharemarket scare with their NZ Power scam.  And they want to be trusted with National Security matters?

Labour hasn’t made a lot of calls that I can get behind, but even they can see the idiocy of letting the Green numpties anywhere near the important stuff.


– One News


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  • Euan Ross-Taylor

    Anything that gets Russel worked up has got to be good for NZ. The anti Party is being ‘anti-ed’!
    Some irony there!

  • Catriona

    Surprise, surprise. Why would they want to invite anyone from the Greens?
    So Metiria has got her knickers in a twist because she wasn’t invited. Bit of an oxymoron me thinks.

    • Edward Bufe

      A bit of being an oxymoron is a Little mild me thinks.

  • Taser

    Like was said they need people on there that have a brain. It is obvious that if anyone missed out that was the reason. ouch

  • George Carter

    I heard the green goblin on larry williams last night jumping up and down on her high horse and claiming to represent the party that will hold Labour and National to account! Nearly drove off the road when Larry suggested to her that all they do is oppose everything!

  • Sally

    I wouldn’t trust the Greens anywhere near our Intelligence Service. Don’t think they any good at keeping secrets.

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      “I wouldn’t trust the Greens”… The rest of your sentence is redundant #justsayin

  • In Vino Veritas

    Sorry, a party with 10% of the vote doesn’t get to sit in with the decision makers. Perhaps if Norman had been more rational when he was leader of the Greens, things may have been different. But you cannot escape that fact that they are the lunatic fringe, lead by loony’s and are best left on the outside, looking in.

    • Edward Bufe

      They shouldn’t even be looking in, anything that looks like security they should be forced to wear blindfolds.

      • In Vino Veritas

        Or paper bags, since they wear blind folds daily anyway.

  • On this issue, the Greens are on board with the likes of Martyn Martin (Wrongly Wrongson) Bradbury, Kim Dotcom, Laila Harre, Hone Harewira, Glenn Greenwald and Ed Snowden, and they actually seriously expect to be allowed in the room where the adults are having serious discussions?

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      Do they really think with their mates like Snowden that they would be trusted with state secrets?

    • Pete

      ..and to keep their mouths shut afterwards To me, if there were party to the meeting, as soon as they were out .com, Greenwall, Assange would be the first to hear about what was said.

      • Another Middleagedwhiteguy

        It’s called feedback – like when a mic is too close to the speaker.
        That whiny screechy sound reminds us of the watermelons anyway, so nothing new in their moaning about being denied their “entitlement”.

  • Bartman

    Metiria thinks that being in the House longer than 5 minutes gives her the credibility to participate. What a joke, and that extends to their whole party.

  • Second time around

    But if Little had only spoken to Russel first before making the appointment then would he have been perfectly happy with the outcome? He may have a legitimate complaint about the breach of protocol, but every sane NZer apart from his own party agrees with the outcome.

    • Reaper

      And why should Little have to inform the leader of a 10% party who has already resigned from that position about any of his decisions anyway?

      Good to see these two parties squabbling so publicly though. Let’s hope it continues.

  • Nechtan

    “SIS persecution of Zaoui”

    The guy arrived on a false passport, which he attempted to destroy, was wanted/convicted in Belgium for using false passports, and criminal activity. France also convicted him in absentia for “participation in a criminal group with a view to preparing terrorist acts”

    Just who exactly should the SIS taken an interest in Mr Norman, if not characters who make a habit of travelling on false passports and are actively involved in political activism??
    If the SIS hadn’t taken an interest in him, I would have been more concerned…

    • Bobb

      And he is now here with all his family.

    • Kimbo

      Um, wouldn’t we have said the same of Nelson Mandela if he washed up in New Zealand about 1969?

      About the only way Zaoui could travel was on a false passport – and it is standard for prospective refugees to destroy it as soon as you get where you want, so they cannot be easily deported immediately.

      And wasn’t his “”participation in a criminal group with a view to preparing terrorist acts” primarily getting caught on the wrong side of a coup in Algeria? From memory he was a member of the governing regime, which, once it was replaced, the French didn’t want to see back in power? Hence the issuing of the security warning throughout the worldwide intelligence community. Then there was the matter of the intelligence against Zaoui being so sensitive the SIS couldn’t make it known to him or else we would be cut off from the flow of information…yet when it suited the SIS details of the supposed activities of Zaoui appeared on the front page of the Herald.

      I’m no fan of the Greens, and good on Key for strengthening the GCSB and other security legislation. We are most surely at threat from militant Islam. But there was much of the Zaoui matter that smacked more of keeping onside with foreign intelligence sources, rather than responding to the substance of the issue and the man himself.

      • Nechtan

        Mandela was the co-founder and leader of the Umkhonto we Sizwe, the armed faction of the ANC. They committed armed violent actions in South Africa and Rhodesia. Nelson Mandela steadfastly refused to denounce the use of violence in the ANC’s struggle, hence he stayed in prison, it wasn’t till the writing was on the wall for the minority white government that they released him. He was no saint despite his subsequent deification by the western press.

        • Kimbo

          Um, not sure what you mean by “saint”. Sure he was never a pacifist like Gandhi. Nonetheless in hindsight the use of armed struggle against apartheid seems morally justified. Probably more than some Zionists (the Irgun and Stern Gang) used against the British and Arabs in Palestine in the 1940s, or the Irish in the 1920s.

          Anyway, the point I was making was “yesterday’s terrorist is today’s freedom fighter is tomorrow’s statesman”.

          • Nechtan

            Mugabe in Zimbabwe, were the atrocities carried out by ZANU morally justified? He is now a “statesman”
            Taking on the security forces or armed forces of a regime you are opposed to is one thing, killing (often in the most horrific manner) and deliberate targeting of civilians is another.
            There are no saints who engage in/plan/condone terrorist activities.

          • Kimbo

            Agree with the last staement, although it is tricky when you get stuff like indiscriminate or carpet bombing of civilian targets. May not be terrorism as such, but the effects are the same.

            Was Mugabe justified? Maybe. Doesn’t mean the his regime was automatically going to provide better government. Ian Smith, as we all suspected, was proved right. And anyone who assassinated Mugabe would, in my mind, be a hero because other than within his own clique of thugs, everyone recognises he is no statesmen.

            Mind you the problem is always…what comes next? Sometimes, as appalling as a Mugabe, or Saddan Hussein are, anarchy is even worse.

          • Kimbo

            …but bringing it back to Ahmed Zaoui: he now the recipient of a general amnesty issued by the Algerian government. Which does at least raise the question, to what extent was the label “terrorist” accurate and appropriate in his case?

    • CheesyEarWax

      Yep, Wussel is looking like a fool using Zaoui, and still undermining the SIS and other intelligence agencies that are there to protect us. He shouldn’t be in the committee, or anywhere near the government office.

      • Another Middleagedwhiteguy

        No other argument came to mind than that of Zaoui.
        And remember, if Wussel or Meaty were on that committee, Zaoui would be in the loop as well.

    • Warren

      One of the two guys arrested in Aussie last week for planning a beheading, got into Australia the same way 5yrs ago. The other came via a leaky boat. Both on benefits. Aussie have big problems. Zaoui should have been on the next plane out.

  • Nige.

    This is the same party the filibustered like mad when national were trying to get legislation through.

    They made their own bed, and now they sleep in it.

  • ozbob68

    Try to take a long-term view; if one of the Greens’ front bench is included in this committee then is caught revealing privileged information, they could be put in jail for treason and therefore do much less long-term harm to NZ politics.

    • sheppy

      But as they are on the left, they are immune to any accountability whatsoever, just like Phil Goff’s leaking of a report had no meaningful consequences other than a MSM diversion about who told JK about the leaker

  • I_See_Crazy_People

    “Greens” and “intelligence” in the same sentence? Yeah, right.

  • Rodger T

    Norman and the Greens are nothing less than quislings when comes to NZers generally and especially on security matters.
    Good on Little for recognising that Norman et al are irrelevant in the progress and security of NZ as a nation,but even a stopped clock is right twice a day,one can only hope it is not a blip and rationality is returning? to Labour.

  • Kopua Cowboy

    I liked Little’s reason for why he didn’t select Turei- essentially said “We want someone skilled and capable.”

    • Dave

      Along your lines, “someone skilled and capable” and Angry Andy appoints himself, the man New Plymouth and his own caucus rejected, the man whose unions protest against anything government and security?

  • StahlmanGas

    Is this a smart move by Little? Slowly building a wedge between Lab and Greens? It is the pragmatic approach that I’d rather Labour started adopting…

  • fergus

    and would they be taking their sickle (leaving their hammer at home), as the Waihopai vandles did, when they go to these meeting….question to comrade norman and crew.

  • kiwiinamerica

    This is Norman’s 2015 version of “give me back my flag”

  • JustanObserver

    I am absolutely disgusted at the self-important belief that is ‘creeping-in’ from the left, and more-so the far-left, that they have some right to be part of the decision-making here in NZ …
    Win an election, then you can !

    • Left Right Out

      even IF they could get at least 1 person elected in an election would given them some sort of credibility insteadof ridding on the coat tails of MMP

  • timemagazine

    The more the Greens get marginalised the better for the country.
    How’s your day been so far, you Greens?

  • Mick Ie

    Maybe they’re also really urinated because they saw being on the committee as an opportunity for them to destroy the Intelligence Service from the inside out. Dirty politics and all that…

  • cows4me

    I think the two Melon leaders should have been invited to partake but only if they agree to strict security, I would insist they use this set up.

    • [MOD] please keep to the general gravitas of the original article.

  • Bryan

    hahaha revenge is sweet

  • busman

    Andrew Little doing something right !!!!! by cutting the greens off he will gather more vote`s at the next election , this in turn may set labour up for a real title shot in 2020
    We may well see more of this distancing from Labour, Oh for Greens to Fade away !!!!

  • Ben

    Well naturally they are upset; if they were allowed on the committee they would be able to sabotage national security much more efficiently.

  • jude

    I think Little made a choice that he hopes will please his moderate Labour supporters.Without Norman, I think the Green support will plummet and that party will take a very sharp turn left.
    It is interesting to note though, the hard left Labour supporters are calling Little a traitor.
    It will be interesting to see how both the appointment and failure to pay his contractor, affect Labour in the polls.