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  • Korau

    Word of the day

    ebrious (adj) – Inclined to drink to excess; intoxicated; tipsy.

    source : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Ebrious

    Etymology : early 15century from Latin ebrietatem (nominative ebrietas) “drunkenness, intoxication,” from ebrius “drunk, full, sated with drink”

    • 1951

      It has come to the stage now that I get dangerously close to an ebrious state every evening I sit to read WO.

  • Michael

    After being routed three years ago with 9 MPs in a 89 seat state legislature, Queensland Labor look to have won 46 seats and a majority. Tony Abbott has made the Coalition poison and should be gone by Friday – but he lacks self awareness so probably will try to hang on.

    • Cadwallader

      It can’t just be Abbott. I think we are now seeing the true socialist leanings of Australians. As soon as the “Lucky Country” faces a little bit of austerity imposed by the Coalition they yearn for the return of a tax/spend gang of Labor loons. I don’t have much experience of Queensland (other than blow flies) but I visit WA routinely. Where in Perth I reside the number of Chardonnay socialists would complement a Dear Eleanor dross sheet. If the Aussies are too left to swallow a dose of economic medicine then tough, have a Labor government and watch your attributes dissolve!

      • Papillon

        Agree, they will reap what they sow.

      • Aucky

        Agreed Cads! Their national psyche is embedded in a 1970s timewarp. Don’t have the spine to deal to their corrupt greedy unions or to make the necessary adjustments to their economy. Too comfy for too long on the back of iron ore and coal.

        • dumbshit

          too many Greek descendants there maybe!

          • Ilovelife

            No, too many of them still hold grudges on behalf of their convict ancestors. They are no different from the grudge nursing Maori.

          • Dave

            Disagree there ILF It’s more about the feral /Bogan underclass and their unionized views. The unions are entrenched in Aust and particularly QLD, the damage these guys do is increadible.

          • Ilovelife

            Yes, probably fair comment. I was being a bit facetious.

      • pisces8284 .

        I remember sitting in a cafe in Hastings St. Noosa a few years ago and watching some blokes laying bricks on the footpath. One got the bricks off the truck, one pushed the wheelbarrow, one got them out of the wheelbarrow and gave them to the guy who laid them and the rest just stood and watched. You will never change their trade union mentality
        Edit sp

        • conwaycaptain

          When I was working for NZ Steel and we had a ship on the Tasman taking steel to Aus it cost THREE times as much to discharge in Aus as it did to load in NZ. Considering that the loading cost inc the cost of labour, dunnage and the steel strap lashing of the cargo.

      • Disinfectant

        Might come a time when we can ask Australia to become a province of New Zealand.
        Or, alternatively we might end up owning most of its businesses if our dollar stays high.

        • Aucky

          The West Island?

        • Cadwallader

          In a sense we are there already. I note the msm seldom deal with migration into NZ from OZ in case it shows JK’s government in a good light. I can point to two local farms sold to Australian families in the past 12 months these transactions won’t make news unless they are on-sold to some Chinese.

      • Dave

        Correct Cadwallader Abbot’s comments didn’t help but Newman was the most unpopular premier in history, he was despised by all lefties and doubted by a lot of liberals. He was elected in a massive landslide with Labour only having 7 seats 3 years ago. Unfortunately the Bogan and stupid element can cite too, and they removed Campbell Neaman from his own seat and have left us with the likely result of a hung or at worst marginal socialist government.

        Labour campaigned without releasing one fiscal policy, and coatings that we re out by billions as they continued their election lolly scramble. It’s unbelievable.

        However. Newman acted too fast to fix the finances and became known as arrogant and uncaring, a huge huge mistake.

    • Albert Lane

      I am proud to have dual Aust/NZ nationality, and am a fervent NZ Nats and Aust Lib supporter. I think John Key is doing a wonderful job. But I think that Tony Abbott, who is a very good human being, is totally the wrong person for the job. Malcolm Turnbull is by far the most popular choice of Aussies, but the MPs are suspicious of him because he was once a Laborite. But if this debacle in Queensland helps get Turnbull moved into the top job, make it happen, and soon, please.

  • dumbshit

    SBW, beats a 44gallon drum of lard!

    • Pete

      I know, its a joke, the bloke he fought was fatter than me ! I admire and respect SBW for his physical prowess, but he needs to fight someone of note, before I can take his boxing seriously.

  • Papillon

    The Herald business section features an article about the launch of New Zealand’s first Islamic KiwiSaver fund. A fund that will invest in line with Sharia law, with a mandate not to invest in companies that produce pork, alcohol, tobacco or pornography, or receive money from gambling.http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11394784

    Does this start a precedence for acceptance of Sharia Law in NZ? I realize that community groups are entitled to invest where they see fit, but this could have far reaching implications for NZ.

    • peterwn

      As long as NZ law remains paramount. There would be nothing to stop a fund investing only in things that complied with (say) USA law, as long as the fund itself complies with NZ law.

      This would apply to application of Sharia Law in NZ, there would be no issue as long as the person ‘suffering’ the law consented and that the application did not amount to ‘illegal contract’. NZ law including contract law would remain paramount.

      The twin dangers are:
      1. Parliament legislating acceptance of Sharia law.
      2. Case law (especially Contracts) developing along the lines increasing acceptance of Sharia law.

      • Papillon

        You are right, and it is those twin dangers which are my primary concern. The more creep of Sharia law we have in benign ways such as the Kiwisaver investment fund, the more I fear for the reality of those twin dangers.

        • spanishbride

          We have Halal certified water, chocolate etc already, now Islamic Kiwi Saver. How many other religions have made these kind of inroads into our society? Do we have Kosher labeled food? Do we have Christian Kiwi Saver? Do we have any religion apart from Islam that has a complete legal system that is an essential part of the religion, and one that challenges our own democratic system? They are still a small percentage of our society yet they have more sway already that any of the other immigrant people in New Zealand. Why is that do you think?

          • sandalwood789

            Spot-on SB.

            I’m sure that I remember
            seeing a few public swimming-pools that have caved in to Muslim demands for separate swimming times for Muslim women. I’m sure that one of them was in Hamilton (that’d be no surprise given the large Muslim population there).

          • PsychoKea

            You mean Islamatron

          • Chris EM

            Yes, one was Hamilton, but I don’t think it happened in the end.

          • sandalwood789

            Good!

          • Albert Lane

            Probably water pollution levels got too high.

          • Grumpy of Onehunga

            Yes, we do have kosher labelled food. It has a small circle with a K in it. There is also food certified as kosher but not labelled, see the nz kosher website for a full list.

          • Probably time we stopped referring to Islam as a religion. It is not. It is a dangerous mediaeval cult of violence that stands for everything the west discarded as abhorrent. It needs to be identified as such and given no more latitude than we would a Neo – Nazi party.

          • Bill Hanna

            Nearly 20000 people listed their religion as Jedi in the last census, I wonder if a KiwiSaver fund will set up an for them. Edit for correctness

          • Sunshine

            Yes we do have some kosher labelled food, and the world has for quite some time.The difference is that they do not demand that whole businesses and that the entire population change to suit their requirements. Most of these items were produced and have certification for the Jewish market. The more popular items have been picked up by Supermarkets.
            In my foray of Auckland Supermarkets to document a list of halal certified foods, there is about a 1:4 kosher to halal ratio of those foods that carry a certification seal.

          • Stuarts.burgers

            We had a “Christian” insurance company Ansvar that decided not to cover “Acts of God” after the Christchurch Earthquakes

          • cows4me

            It’s alright spainishbride I’ve Halal certified buckshot.

          • pak

            I think most people are too complacent and the islamists take advantage of that by wheedling their way into all corners of our lives largely by stealth. By the time most people wake up it will sadly be too late. I am very pessimistic about all this. This islamic fund was launched last year with hardly an eyebrow raised – they are targeting the “islamic sharia market” – clearly they believe it is already large enough in New Zealand for it to be worth their while.

    • Cadwallader

      I hope they post deposit slips to all Greenie supporters and to Dear Eleanor.

    • Dumrse

      “Does this start a precedence for acceptance of Sharia Law in NZ? ”

      YES, it’s step one of a ??? step process. The introduction of Sharia Law is like an insidious cancer, slow but sure. Remember, “Rust never sleeps”.

      • sandalwood789

        That’s right.

        *Come on Winston Peters* – stop going on about the Chinese and focus your attention on *Muslims* instead. You’ll get a lot more support if you do.

        I would urge ACT to do this but I’m sure they’re far too “PC” to consider it.

      • intelligentes candida diva

        Or the frog in the water starts out cold all good, warms up no need to jump out , bit hot still ok doesnt jump out, then hotter dead!!! Is NZ the frog?

    • conwaycaptain

      In the UK now they have Sharia mortgages. They do not pay interest but oif the house is sold then the bank takes a share of the profits or at the end of the mortgage a share in the price increase in the house over the years.
      I see the Sharia Kiwsaver no different from some groups who invest money and refuse to invest in armament industries, tobacco etc etc

    • Benoni

      I hope the fund is mindful of the prohibition on receiving interest.

      • Sunshine

        They purify it by giving the sinful interest to charity. I’ve been reading about Islamic financial services and it’s quite an eye opener.

      • ex-JAFA

        If that’s the case, “investors” may as well just withdraw their and their employer’s contribution, and bung it under a mattress. Or, to ensure they can’t spend it before it matures, stick it in a safety deposit box at the bank.

    • bristol

      Arab proverb, “If the camel once gets his nose in the tent, his body will soon follow.”

    • Raibert

      Are they able to invest in the manufacture of weapons? Seems likely a good way to get around funding issues for the terrorists.

    • intelligentes candida diva

      I will write to Kiwibank because I was one of its first members. I have a few questions i.e. is the bank open to a Christian fund?. How does the islamic fund benefit KIWIS better than the current way it was operating? Has the fund methodology included forecasting protective measures if financial difficulty there would be no takeover by external islamic entities as a protective measure to KIWIS not romanced by the sharia system in light of the international terror given it is NZ owned.
      First I have heard of it is here

      From Kiwibanks webpage
      “New ’round here?
      Kiwibank is 100% New Zealand owned and operated. We’ve been thinking up ways to give Kiwis better value banking since 2002”.

      • pak

        This fund was launched last year by Goldman Henry and don’t think anything to do with Kiwibank? But I find it very concerning – they are “targetting islamic sharia market” in New Zealand. They clearly believe that it is already sufficiently large to warrant the establishment of such an investment vehicle.

        • Albert Lane

          I hope the new fund doesn’t pay interest. muslims aren’t allowed to lend money on interest.

          • pak

            No doubt structured in such a way that that tiresome detail is circumvented.

    • Sunshine

      I wonder which charity the purification of interest bearing profit will go to?

    • spanishbride

      I found this funny comment on Trademe regarding this news.

  • Pete

    Wow.. A poll the left and TV 3 believe is the change they are looking for, wait for the MSM frenzy on this ! All it says to me is that Little is thought to have more about him the the previous 3 clowns.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/poll-andrew-little-formidable-opponent-for-john-key-2015013115#axzz3QGlA5wnT

    • Cowgirl

      Most National Party supporters think he’s better? We all think he’s rubbish; I don’t see that changing much in the mainstream. 3News usually has the most erroneous polls. I note that that this is just a test of whether people think he’s an improvement, and not a Preferred PM rating.

      • Pete

        If you word a poll question correctly, you get the result you want..and then publish it, which seems to me what this poll is about.

        • Cowgirl

          They have to take their ‘wins’ where they can find them at this stage.

        • Cadwallader

          Katie Bradford’s pulse must be buzzing like the Hadron Collider. The distorted physics of the Left will be spewing forth the imminent collapse of National and the ascendancy of Little Angry to his rightful role of Prophethood. (Maybe he is the true Prophet?)

        • Isherman

          Exactly, when your’e desperate enough for a result that has been a long time missing, you will think of ways to manufacture that result if only to delay the impending crisis until a real answer presents itself.

      • OneTrack

        Chicken Little must be “better”, simply because he hasn’t crashed and burned yet, like the other wannabees already have.

    • Cadwallader

      Little is a “formidable opponent” to JK like a hedgehog on the road is to a Kenworth. Paddy Gower has his wishful wizard hat on again.

    • Morgy

      What a stupid question. Que the frenzy. Dumb.

    • Aucky

      TV3 didn’t have the cojones to ask a simple question. ‘Who would be your first choice as PM – Little or Key?’. That’s the answer we all want but that may not suit TV3’s agenda.

    • Carl

      I will wait and see the full poll results tonight. TV3 have cherry picked a question to let out early to try and get people interested and watch the news at 6

    • sandalwood789

      Leftie delusion is *so* much fun to watch.
      Maybe someone can make a game-show out of it.
      “Socialist Challenge” maybe.

  • Murray Smith

    Did I miss the systematic bombing of all public librarys in New Zealand ??

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/65637869/eleanor-catton-a-book-is-a-doorway

    Catton strikes again.

    • She is obviously positioning herself as a Green list MP … her politics and naivety fit the mould nicely.

      • Sooty

        Yep! She’s not making much with her writing. She wants to really gouge in the trough.

      • Wasapilot

        I would love to see her up against the likes of Steven Joyce, John Key, Chris Finlayson, even winston in parliament. Something tells me she would run home to daddy.

    • OneTrack

      She appears to have switched into Full Retard mode now the spotlight is upon her.

  • Lord Evans

    Eleanor Catton has now waded into a debate regarding the National Library Services decision to cut back their lending services to schools of hard copies in favour of electronic books. Quoted in an ‘exclusive’ piece by the Sunday Star Times, Ms Caton compares the move to (hypothetically) removing sports stadiums and fitness centres. Eh? Reading books and playing sport are essentially the same thing? Really Eleanor – um, I’m not sure we’re on the same page here. Yes books are tactile objects, but so are iPads. The written word has the same meaning whether it’s in ink or pixels. Her ‘coup de grace’: “I am troubled and ashamed by the let-them-eat-cake attitude that this country increasingly bears towards children.” Oh, right now I understand, it’s all the poor people we need to defend here. This is just another thinly veiled attack on the Government, silly me, I was hoping for a reasoned argument.

    • Ilovelife

      It’s becoming insane! Why would anyone ask for her opinion about anything and why was a teenage popstar (Lorde )asked her opinion on the issue?

      • Lord Evans

        Insane, precisely! Based on Catton’s logic, EFTPOS must be causing a loss of financial intelligence, particularly with poor people, because notes and coins are physical and tactile. Yeah right.

    • 1951

      Dug deeper and found our lovely Angela Roberts from the PPTA included. Yup, another political piece dressed as Opinion. ‘Tall Poppy’, ‘Pull Ya Head In’ now ‘Go Hide Under Rock’ stupid little girl.

    • Dave

      Wait for her to announce she will run as a green soon. Perhaps a high position on the list to parachute in after Wussell The tactic is similar to Jan Logie’s mate attacking the PM after she claims she was attached. Another ungrateful ………… Attacking the govt and the PM.

    • Isherman

      Woooosh, that’s the sound of the bigger point going right over Eleanor’s rather high and mighty head…again. The bigger issue is getting kids to read, if that means that the current generation of kids are reading more if it happens to be in e form, so what. Reading is about the transference of knowledge, ideas, and thought. I love dead tree variety myself, but my 13 year old gets the same experience equally from reading old fashioned paper or his tablet, as long as the principal benefit of reading is achieved it matters not which format is used. It’s a bit like saying we should do away with tap water and all go experience our backyard dug well. She’s really starting to annoy me this one.

    • Deckboy

      Gearing up to be a Green Party list MP? She could write more books whilst listening to Parliament.

    • sandalwood789

      The “let-them-eat-cake” attitude to children? Get real, Eleanor.

      Why have the Nats brought in *charter schools*? To enable poorer people’s children to get a high-quality education.
      That is *hardly* abandoning them and “letting them eat cake”

      Hasn’t the government just reintroduced milk in schools?
      Is that “letting the children eat cake” Eleanor? Of course not.
      I am against that policy (since it abdicates parental responsibility for feeding their children and dumps it on the taxpayer) but it is a left-wing policy that you seem to have conveniently “forgotten”.

      Why is the government clamping down on welfare? Because there is a *mountain* of evidence that children in a welfare-dependent home do a lot worse than those who aren’t.

      • Albert Lane

        I totally agree with you.

  • Ilovelife

    Is there no end to the stupidity of Andrea Vance? She is now calling state houses “family silver”!

    • Isherman

      She’s probably got a logic to that. Family Silver = Inheritance = entitlement..see.

    • Cadwallader

      She obviously doesn’t reside in one then.

    • sandalwood789

      I find the whining of lefties about state houses to be bizarre.

      There are a number of NGOs around who apparently do a good job in the housing area. Adding a few state houses to their stock seems like a very good idea. That kind of thing has apparently worked very well overseas.

  • Disinfectant

    Hard copy books cost money. Every single copy sold of Eleanor Catton’s books would give her a little bit of Royalty.
    Ah, but an electronic version loaded onto a zillions of kindle type devices in one go won’t return her so much money, because the company doing the uploading will won’t a bulk deal. Like all business.
    Maybe this has got her wound up. But why would it, as her Socialist world view means re-distribution for the common good.
    Maybe again we are seeing the true nature of Socialists – so long as it doesn’t affect my personal finances – hypocrites.

  • Cowgirl

    Some sanity prevails in Montreal today with the denying of a radical imam being able to set up his own islamic centre. This sanity has immediately been met with the usual lunacy from the ‘Human Rights’ people though with calls saying that the council doesn’t have the right or authority to deny this imam his human rights to set up his islamic centre. Um what? You say we are impinging on the human rights of a man who openly talks about making women less equal under the law, cutting off hands/other appendages, wants to implement sharia law, openly preaches against democracy and has strong links to people who have perpetrated terrorist acts. What are these people ON????

    Edit: damn autocorrect keeps trying to capitalise the word ‘islam’. No capitals for you!

    • intelligentes candida diva

      I have begun to put sharia in lower case and I refuse to call it “law” because it is not law for me. . There is little it seems we as the ordinary citizens can do at present to really oppose this other than being vigilant to news and applying our own small gestures like you make known Cowgirl, that you deliberately choose not to use a captial letter for islam.
      Good on Canada, it is a strong country.

      • Cowgirl

        I won’t capitalise any of it anymore – capitals denote legitimacy and respect. None of this nonsense deserves either from me.

        • intelligentes candida diva

          Good for you that you have put it out there, more need to take a stand on aspects they believe in against this madness and make it known, to build confidence

          • sandalwood789

            I too will be taking the “soup Nazi” approach with islam (and muslims) –

            “No caps for YOU…..”

            That applies at the start of sentences too.

        • Albert Lane

          I refuse to put capital letters in front of words like muslim or islam or islamic or mohammed. I use lower case letters to signify that islam has the lowest morals of any political or religious belief on earth. How any sane western person can even contemplate joining their religion (or whatever it is), is totally beyond me. However, I was watching an episode of Time Team the other evening, and they showed the horrific prison conditions and punishment that existed in in Nottingham a couple of hundred years ago. When I saw that program, I saw an absolute parallel between them and what’s going on in barbaric muslim countries today.

          • Cowgirl

            I am thwarted in my attempts to show disdain for them by autocorrect sometimes, which seems to insist on capitals for all. Fortunately it can be overridden. islam seems to be several centuries behind the rest of us. Truly barbaric acts have gone on in everyone’s past, but most of us seem to have moved on. Not islam, which would have us all herding goats and living in mud huts again (except for the elite who are perfectly happy to use Western gadgets and social media apparently).

  • cows4me

    Took the boat out fishing yesterday but the wind picked up and the rain chased us in. So after cleaning the boat we sat next to the beer fridge in the shed and watched the rain full, bloody marvelous. Had 17mls to 8.30 this morning and it’s just pouring down now. Penny’s from heaven.

    • sandalwood789

      *Great* stuff!
      Really good to hear it, c4m!
      Long may it continue too.

      I hope that Hawke’s Bay and the Wairarapa get some rain as well – they’ve been very dry too.

      • pisces8284 .

        Yes we are getting a decent drop in town in the Wairarapa now, don’t know what it’s like for the farmers

        • sandalwood789

          Good stuff – good to hear that.

          I looked at the long-range forecast and it looks like Thursday, Friday and Saturday will have rain for pretty much the whole country.

      • Imogen B

        Hb has had a little rain. I’m a townie so would describe it as not enough to inconvenience. Unlikely to be enough to cause those who depend on the land for a living to be overjoyed. I’m grateful its a little cooler today. The whole house smells deliciously of home made raspberry jam.

        • pisces8284 .

          Yum. Made jars of passata yesterday while watching the cricket, then made a salad that was totally out of the garden – lettuce, cucumber, tomatoes, spring onions. The Good Life

    • Next time, clean your car, spray the weeds in the lawn, put the washing out and go fishing. You don’t want to leave things like rain to chance.

      • cows4me

        SPRAY THE WEEDS IN THE LAWN, what, I’ve 200+ acres to spray for weeds Pete, I sure ain’t going to worry about the lawn. And there will be a few more weeds to deal to after this rain but it’s all good.

  • Dave

    So Elanor Cattor I’m calling BS on your little statements, and am calling on you to stand up tall and back up your weak words. You have grown up I n am entitled academic household and were most likely raised on a diet of academia and socialism are good and business is bad. Well, the bad news is Eleanor, you now derive your substantial income from Commerxe, damage your personal brand your commerce will suffer!

    That said, I’m calling you out, if dead tree books are the only way then lead by example, tell your publishers you refuse to have any of your books available by electronic medium, no amazon, no kindle or Let’s see how serious you are is you can put your principles before your personal pocket, let’s see if you can forgo the massive sales opportunity and profit to match your principles, I’m doubting your shallow words Elanor.

    • Deckboy

      “You have grown up In am entitled academic household and were most likely raised on a diet of academia and socialism are good and business is bad”
      Ditto Helen Clark.

      • Don W

        Helen Clark was raised on a farm and I think her parents were National.

        • Stuarts.burgers

          In 1975 Helen Clark stood in Piako for Labour, this action caused a local National Party Branch Chairman to resign is post. It was here father.

      • Albert Lane

        Did you hear her father ranting on Sean Plunket’s program on Friday morning? I have never heard so much unintelligible tripe in all my life.

  • sandalwood789

    This stuff looks very promising –
    “Sprayable Sleep”. It contains melatonin.
    http://www.gizmag.com/sprayable-sleep-insomnia/35843/

    Mind you, I think there may be a ban on importing melatonin here.

    (I may be wrong).

    I would love to try this.

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      It does look interesting… I’ve tried melatonin pills, but I find they knock me around to much – so I’d also be keen to give this a try.

      I know of people importing melatonin, but I’m not sure if this is ok (legal) or if they’re not actually supposed to be doing it. They don’t seem to have any problems though.

      Thanks for the link.

      • sandalwood789

        Ok, you’re welcome.

        This spray is a lot lower dose than the pills (so the article says).
        That’s apparently good as too much of it can apparently have the opposite effect to that intended.

    • Bluemanning

      Melatonin is available in tablet form via a Doctor’s script 3mg. worth a try..

  • Mags

    The thing I find with opinion pieces like Eleanor Catton’s are they are just that. We are none the wiser as to whether this National Library strategy is good or bad.
    EC offers no new information about the rationale for the changes to the National Library, why the cost cutting was necessary, whether the saved money was being redirected to some other strategy, what the potential benefits or negatives are perceived to be.
    Change is difficult but not necessarily bad. Her opinion offers us no further help to make up our own minds.

  • Now for some good news: Lydia Ko has just become the youngest ever world No. I in golf!http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/65644157/recap-lydia-ko-becomes-womens-golf-world-no-1

    • Aquarius 61

      Well done Lydia! Now just waiting for Australia to claim her as one of theirs …
      … you may claim EC anytime.

      • Carl

        It wont be the Aussies, it will be the Koreans.

      • Cowgirl

        Canada can have EC back any time they like.

        • ex-JAFA

          And you’ll give her a warm welcome at the airport, right CG?

          • Cowgirl

            Ha! Not likely, but I suppose I’d have to suffer her over here then. In that case, maybe she should stay there.

  • caochladh

    New Zealand’s first Islamic KiwiSaver fund has been launched. It will invest in line with Sharia law, ruling out many investment funds, and also requiring interest “purification payments”. Well, let me say that I will stop buying any products that these people will be investing in.

    • pak

      This is just the tip of the iceberg.

      • sandalwood789

        Yes, it is.

        We can expect to see lots of demands for –
        * separate swimming times for muslim women.
        * halal food in workplaces and schools.
        * Christmas and Easter decorations to be removed as they will be deemed “offensive”.
        * alcohol-based soaps to be removed from anywhere that a muslim works.

        While all this is happening muslim women will be having child after child after child (all paid for by our welfare system).

        • pak

          Correct. And as well, the instigators of it all will hope that most of us remain complacent and ignorant as their way of life gradually overtakes all that we hold dear.

  • sandalwood789

    For only $US180k you can buy this amazing boat –
    http://www.gizmag.com/lockheed-martin-sea-slice-swathboat/35854/

    Come on, Cam, you *know* you want to…….. ;)

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