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  • George

    Today we celebrate who and what we are. How lucky we are to be part of this wonderful nation. There is so much to celebrate. We have one of the most stable political systems, one of the most progressive economies, an international respected PM. Some of the finest entrepreneurs, opera singers, pop singers, rugby, league, cricket, rowing, motor sports, golfers, yachties, equestrians – one and all excelling on the world stage. We have the freedom of democracy – and yes, – we still have the freedom to moan and groan about anything and everything. Isn’t it great to be a Kiwi.

    • pisces8284 .

      I totally agree George. I notice you didn’t mention authors……

      • mommadog

        I have always been proud to be a kiwi but more so since I started travelling overseas when younger and could compare what we had to what others had. The words “you don’t know what you’ve got till its gone” are true for many including ungrateful authors.

      • pak

        They were implied under the moaning and groaning bit.

  • zotaccore

    Last year over 300 victims of an arsonist suffered complete loss of everything they owned, causing millions of dollars of loss, suffering, misery and stress. I was one of those victims. Angelo Dominic Bitossi was yesterday sentenced to jail for 81/2 years prison, parole after 50% has been served. Here is the judges report http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/65807920/kiwi-self-storage-arsonist-angelo-bitossi-jailed-for-8-12-years He won’t get my forgiveness for what he has done, the only punishment I can ever think suits an arsonist such as he, is for him to burn in hell when the judgment comes upon him at his passing. I was disgusted when it happened, and I still am.

    • Skydog

      ZC can I be nosey and ask if you were offered a restorative justice meeting with the offender? Do you know if anyone who suffered his crimes actually wanted to meet him face to face? There’s a lot of talk about a requirement to have these meetings that I think in general would be a waste of time and insulting to victims.

      • zotaccore

        No meeting offered, just the opportunity to submit a victim impact statement to the judge, which I did. He’s never shown any remorse and mocked people in the court room – some victims probably would have torn him apart if they met him. There was very significant destruction for many people.

    • hookerphil

      Read it as 81 and a half years – thought it must be the USA . Out in 4 years, must be New Zealand.

      • Skydog

        He will be out even quicker if he was remanded in custody (awaiting trial). For every day you are remanded in custody two days of your sentence comes off.

      • Phoenician

        81 over 2 equals 40.5…. (so parole after 20 years?). In our dreams

    • sandalwood789

      Ridiculously soft sentence – a slap with a wet bus ticket.

      I’ll bet that judge in Napier (Judge Adeane?) wouldn’t have been as lenient.

    • pak

      So sorry to hear that. No doubt really sticks in your craw that that low-life has not shown any remorse over the destruction and misery he has wrought in so many lives and that this miserable excuse of a person will likely be out in four or so years. I hope you believe in karma or can find some peace of mind. For me forgiveness is not in the end for the other person but for your own sake, otherwise scum like this continue to victimise you. Best wishes.

      • zotaccore

        Thank you for your words. Time heals, but never 100%.

        • pak

          True, and a sentiment not always so well understood. My husband died of a brain tumour at the age of 31 many years ago and there is a part of my heart that has never healed.

  • Nirvana10

    TV One poll indicates that Waitangi Day has absolutely no importance for 66% of respondents. Time for it to be ditched in favour of another day to celebrate New Zealand Day. Which political party will be brave enough to make that proposal?

    • Aucky

      ACT maybe but they don’t have the clout to do it on their own. The two ‘majors’ have their noses too firmly attached to the grievance industry’s backside to go near the issue.

      • sandalwood789

        If ACT promised to do it I’d put money on them getting over 5% at the next election.
        This is such an “easy win” for them. Huge support for a change and no other party is proposing it.
        Given their next-to-zero level of support, they have nothing to lose (and lots to gain) by pushing this.

        What other country in the world would have a so-called national day that means nothing to 2/3 of the people? Time for change.

    • Imogen B

      Waitingi Day is pretty much a media blackout day. I’m carefully avoiding any WD related posts and other media are off-limits today.
      The wingers up north will do nothing to advance my understanding of maoridom and the issues faced by them, and the media bias toward the spectacular will produce the mud slingers, wet T-shirt throwers, the shouters and the swearers in complete disproportion to the day at Waitangi.
      Anzac Day is national pride day.

    • la la land

      Cant we have both? (They would never get abolishing it over the line)

  • Carl

    Don’t you hate it when you can have a sleep in and you forget to turn the alarm off and get woken up at 6am then cant get back to sleep. Great start to the day.

    • Skydog

      I find it hard to turn off my two under 5’s. No matter what I do, they still get up at the same time.

      Problem now is it’s still dark and that bit cooler. Not so bad to get up at 6 am when the sun is up.

    • mommadog

      Planned a lay in but my oldest 4-legged fur child woke me having a seizure (sleeps in the bedroom by my bed so I can hear her). Not too long now and she will be taking her final visit to the vet. Sad after 16 years together but all life comes to an end. I will enjoy the long weekend with her,

      • Chris EM

        I’m in a similar boat with my dear old Lab girl, mommadog.

      • pak

        That is very sad but no doubt she has had a great life with you and has been a wonderful companion. A tough time coming up so enjoy while you can and you will be left with precious memories of the four legged one. Am facing similar prospect with feline furry friend.

  • LabTested

    I’m in europe & it has been below zero since I got here. Wind chill factor makes it at least minus 5 on a calm day. Light snow, but not a lot.

    The Moat has frozen over. 2 years ago in February, a 20 year old woman returning home from a night club at 3am fell into this moat. She fell thought the ice. It took nearly a week to find her. Apparently she sank into the silt.

    anyway. photo of the spot from today (pic)

    • I don’t miss it. Frozen waterways, I mean. Not women in silt.

    • Korau

      Ugh. I hate frigid women!

    • SidtheFish

      We have a canal boat on the Paddington Arm of the Grand Union Canal in London. We will be heading down there tomorrow to celebrate the 6th with a BBQ. We get a few funny looks standing on the stern in our winter clothes, huddled around the BBQ for warmth.

  • Carl

    Best in the world at what you do but so humble and great that she gets star struck. You have to love Lydia..

    http://www.msn.com/en-nz/sport/more-sports/ko-gets-buzz-from-lordes-congrats/ar-AA8ZhDe

  • Mr 8: “Dad, there is a blizzard outside”

    • Chris EM

      Ahh, so that’s why I’ve donned warmer clothing the last two nights.

    • KGB

      So that’s why our umbrella is in pieces on the back lawn.

    • LesleyNZ

      Rather pretty…..

  • yoyoyo

    Happy New Zealand day folks. I am proud to be from New Zealand.

    We don’t have everything figured out but we have a country that is amazing in so many ways.

    The biggest little country in the world!

    Enjoy Fred Dagg – We don’t know how lucky we are!

    • OneTrack

      Sorry, this is the day we get reminded, more than most, that we are heading more and more towards a “them” and “us” – maori and tauiwi. It wasn’t that long ago that we were all working towards a future as just kiwis. Now, we can’t stop highlighting the differences and looking in the rear-view mirror, when we should be focussing on the future.

      • Urban Jungle

        What’s Tauiwi?

  • sarahmw

    Chris Lynch on ZB now, what a breath of fresh air. Excellent interviewing skills. Teriana explaining why she does not go to Waitangi, and a guy from Tauranga saying it’s not all about up North lots of happenings in other places too. Lot of respect and Mana for Dame Teriana (spelling).

    • LesleyNZ

      Just heard him mention this. Good on Dame Tariana Turia!

  • unitedtribes

    I have just been listening to a story on RNZ’s World Watch. The story was about the increased migration of French Jews back to Israel. The story covered the usual increased intimidation and violence that is causing this new wave of one-way travel to Tel Aviv. In the entire ten minute recording RNZ managed not to mention the word “Muslim” or “Islam” once. I think this PC nonsense contributes to the problem as much as the Islamic intimidation. A visitor from Mars listening to the program would have thought that French people ran around all day intimidating Jews. At least the Jews can
    see the problem for what it actually is. They don’t intend to wait until the West wake up.

    • sandalwood789

      Amazing how the MSM tiptoe around the islam issue, avoiding even using the word. Oh, but anything involving Israel they’re into “boots and all”.

      • Huia

        Why are the MSM doing this? I cant understand it myself. A spade is a spade and needs to be called by the right names. It cant be because they are all liberal lefties, the orders seem to be coming down from further up the chain to play these attacks down.

        • OneTrack

          They are progressives. They have a lot of personal ideology tied up in this and they can see their dreams of a big melting pot of coffee coloured people by the score disappearing. They are starting to see the lights saying people really are different after all. And they don’t like it.

          • ex-JAFA

            It sounds very much like your cat’s away.

  • Murray Smith

    http://www.konbini.com/en/lifestyle/saudi-arabia-irony/#.VNJaZzJ8nOo.facebook

    Saudi Arabia Holds All Male Women’s Rights Conference.

    Interesting, if it weren’t so wrong !

  • Isherman

    Not sure what others think, but my position on further land reclamation into the Auckland Harbour to extend the ports is a big fat no thanks, and I see Len wont even say if he supports it or not, which I take to mean he does. I mean, are they trying to tell me there are no other options for port facilities except smack bang in the middle of the city..really?

    • colin herbertson

      I’ve always thought a retter location for the container port would be Manukau harbour, probably too shallow but it could be dredged, or is that a bad idea?

      • Isherman

        Personally I think we should concentrate on the deep water port at Marsden, and develop that with future volume growth in mind.

        • dumbshit

          Tauranga will be able to take the next generation 7000 box ships sometime in 2016

          • Hakaru

            I believe that there has been a 19000 container ship launched just recently. Marsden will be the only one able to take these.

        • Platinum Fox

          Agree.

          Ports of Auckland says that it needs more land to marshal containers and that it needs to lengthen some of the wharves to accommodate longer container vessels and longer cruise ships.

          It doesn’t appear to be running anywhere near capacity on the container wharves – there are three container cranes on Bledisloe Wharf which I think have not seen a container ship in at least 12 months. I have seen them being used for what appears to be training exercises, but generally they sit with their booms up.

          The major use for Bledisloe Wharf currently appears to be as a dock for some of the car carriers and (along with Captain Cook and Marsden Wharves) for short term storage of imported vehicles.

          It’s about time that we had a sensible discussion about whether the centre of Auckland really needs to have hectares of reclaimed land dedicated to marshalling containers and a bunch of old wharves dedicated to vehicle imports, or whether one or both of these operations should be relocated elsewhere.
          Marsden Point seems a viable alternative if its land transport links are upgraded to enable containers and cars to be moved efficiently to inland ports for marshalling.

      • OneTrack

        Manukau Bar could be a problem.

    • Huia

      More reclaimed land in the Shaky Isles? what a joke, in an earthquake (and we have been known to have the odd one), the reclaimed land is the first to be liquefied and sink.
      Stupid move.
      Deep water at Marsden sounds better.

    • Hakaru

      Spend the money and upgrade the rail line to Marsden to allow the new super container ships to be used. Get the trucks off the road and utilize existing facilities. With a little bit of thinking the Port of Auckland could be disbanded and Tuaranga and Marsden would easily service the Auckland area with the proper rail service. Just think, Auckland could have one of the most user friendly harbour areas in the world. Stadium, park facilities, and all other public amenities that would be the envy of the world. But, absolutely no housing. We have enough land in other areas to take care of that requirement.

      • TayheiNotts

        The former chairman of North Port was making those comments five years ago. Those comments are common sense, but with Aucklanders that is something that is a rare commodity. Several of those Northland tunnels will need extending to accommodate the container trains, but with the sale of Auckland port land that would cover that cost easily. And take the convoy of heavy trucks, presently servicing the wharves, out of the city.
        It is a “no-brainer”.

        • Hakaru

          I am not in favour of selling the port land. The cost savings in transport over a period of years would pay for the decommissioning of the port so that it becomes an asset for the people of Auckland. I suggest that covenants be placed on the land so that it stays for the benefit of all, rather like Cornwall Park. Sure, Auckland could put structures on it to benefit the city but no really “commercial” structures. Leave that to the Victoria Park area. Allow either a PPT or a Kiwi Rail Joint venture with a company to do the developing of the rail links to the inland ports already in existence.

        • OneTrack

          Not sure it is that much of a no brainer. How much is all that tunnel upgrading going to cost? And wasn’t there something about the tracks having to be widened.

          And once it’s done, then everything that would have previous come into Auckland will have the additional costs of the double-handling and the transport delays associated with it. Not to mention the losses which will occur.

          • Hakaru

            We have a state of the art tunneling machine working its way through Auckland now. There seems to be lots of possible projects it could be used on in the country, maybe rail tunnels to allow us to use rail instead of road.
            We already move containers by train from Auckland Port so would be no different, just an extra few hours to destinations. Trucking to end user would be no different, just from an inland port that we already have in Onehunga. We have very low cost in moving containers compared to Australia so costs would not necessarily be a problem for the extra movement. Just think of the congestion of trucks from Auckland Port that would be removed from the motorway and central city as a lot of the final drops are closer to manufacturing and satellite areas.

          • EveryWhichWayButLeft

            Yep, I’d be more than happy if they moved it to the bottom of the Brynderwyns and pointed it north… I’m sure Atlas Quarries would be able to put the spoil to good use.

          • Platinum Fox

            I’m not convinced that there will be much more double handling than there is now.
            The present system is clearly inefficient. Most of the containers transit to or from the port on trucks and I see empty container trucks heading to and from the port every day so efficient back-loading isn’t being achieved. The number of containers which transit by rail appears to me to be small.
            Marshalling of full containers would be better handled at an inland port on lower cost land with transfer to and from the port by train.
            Yes, the tracks from Auckland north will need to be double tracked with enlarged tunnels (and preferably as few level crossings as possible). However, the cost of developing Marsden Point as a container port would be lower than continuing to develop in the Waitemata. Marsden Point is naturally deep water and there is adjacent land which wouldn’t need to be reclaimed.

      • OneTrack

        “We have enough land in other areas to take care of that requirement.”
        And Len and his lame council ar dragging their feet thereto. They obviously still have their master plan that people should only live in apartment buildings over the top of train stations. Except Len, of course.

  • steve and monique

    Jordan seems to have taken a proactive stance with ISIS, and bombed them. Guess some leaders are not scared to do what is needed. And from the report, the King led the charge, as he is a trained pilot.

    • Isherman

      Yes he is a pilot, my understanding is that he was visiting the family of the murdered pilot while the raids (probably in Raqqa) took place. They flew over the village on their return, whereby the king gestured toward the sky as they came overhead. Not sure if he would actually fly a combat mission in a hot zone nowadays himself, because while strongly symbolic, its a needless risk.

      • Huia

        The terrible, cruel vicious death of that pilot may have tipped the middle eastern tolerance to ISIS, so they will take revenge to the limit now.

      • steve and monique

        Misleading media report maybe. Still good response, and needed.

    • mommadog

      I have always said the politicians who decide on war should go to war or their children if they are too old. Then war will be declared when necessary but not frivolously. I admire the king leading the charge.

    • Rosco

      Excuse me!! No apologies. If its wrong then it was deliberate that it was wrong. I am going to have to remove your journalistic accreditation for that snafu. You know the rules – retraction only after minimum 20 days and only if you have to legally. Also make sure it is buried where it is totally irrelevant and ensure that anyone reading it will not have any idea what the retraction is about!!

  • Blue Tim

    Meanwhile out in the real world away from Waitangi someone’s superannuation continues to burn
    “Onamalutu Fire – Current Situation
    Firefighters in Marlborough are being assisted by a change in weather conditions as they continue to battle against a large fire to the north of the Wairau River.
    The fire has now burnt through more than 500 hectares, most of forest. The fire’s perimeter has stretched out to 17km overnight with one outbreak some distance north of the main blaze.
    Fire crews from Marlborough are working alongside crews from Nelson, West Coast, Canterbury and Kaikoura. Fire crews have 11 aircraft available today and the first helicopters took to the air at 7.30 am.
    National Rural Fire Authority national incident management controller Rob Hands says the good news is that no lives and no property have been lost.
    “The temperatures and the wind have dropped and there was about 3mm of rain in the area in the early hours – so we’ve been given a window of opportunity to make some real progress. But that window may be brief so we will be making the most of it today.”
    This morning fire crews will be making a property protection assessment of all properties in the fire belt, assessing where firebreaks could be put in or chemical fire retardant used to protect houses.”

    • Nige.

      Yeah its true. My wifes father who i never met due to brain cancer contributed to planting a lot of that area. Sad for me to think that THAT part of his legacy will never reach fulfillment.

  • Dairy_Flat

    I see lying Len the lame duck mayor has had his most favoured piece of anatomy enshrined as a sculpture and suspended over the poor punters at the New Lynn railway station. At our expense of course.

    • Isherman

      $200,000 for it, who the hell is going look at that and think “Oh yes, its clearly a cloud”..blood pressure rising again…

      • Sooty

        Yeah, he’s going to stick it to you!

      • Dairy_Flat

        That vile little man is a health hazard, make no mistake.

    • Cowgirl

      The AC Brains Trust strikes again. How did it get to the stage of being signed off and ‘erected'(!) without anyone querying this????

    • OneTrack

      But, of course, Len is trying “really” hard to keep rates rises to 2.5%. Yeah, right.

    • pak

      Really, what is it with the lefty art luvvies? Haven’t heard anything recently about that state house “art piece” down on the waterfront I think it was. No doubt trying to hide ever escalating cost overruns by distracting us with this latest waste of my rates contribution.

      • Dairy_Flat

        If the city was cash flush I would support enhancing the look of the place with some suitable (!) artworks, but Auckland is up to it’s neck in debt that the ratepayers are funding and these clowns just keep on doubling down with our hard earned. It’s not their money so they don’t care and just keep on indulging their warped little fantasies.

        • pak

          Totally. Couldn’t have said it better myself!

    • Intrigued

      I participated in one of those online Sayit Surveys that occasionally get sent to me. I found it interesting that a whole block of about 10 questions were devoted to finding out my thoughts about Len Brown and how I rated his performance and whether I thought he was ‘trustworthy’ and ‘arrogant’ among other pointedly asked questions as to his qualities! Is he polling us for his upcoming tilt at the mayoralty race again? Needless to say he scored very poorly on all fronts IMHO. But heaven knows who paid for that poll? As if one is needed? God help us, please please can we have someone decent, trustworthy and with some real vision and financial nous to step up to lead this city. Lying Len has to go…

      • Michael S2

        I too was sent that survey to complete. It was from UMR which does research for the Labour Party. Since it was sent to people who have indicated their preparedness to be surveyed I wonder how accurate its results are.

        • Intrigued

          That’s interesting. Labour won’t particularly like the score I gave them then! I never used to participate in surveys but I guess I’ve got to an age where 15 mins of my time to tell them what I think gives me great satisfaction – especially the political surveys!

  • Mark

    Herald headline “Freed Journalist keen to get back to work” I was completely sucked in! Mutter,mutter,mutter.

    • Intrigued

      I saw that too and for a moment thought the same. Next thought was just how appropriate the name for a news organisation championing ethical journalism is. Can’t wait to read Freed!

    • I.M Bach

      I fell into that one too, you’re not alone.

  • vidarnz

    If you thought US news seemed biased towards Obama but not sure how. The following might explain it

    ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, National Security Adviser.

    CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications.

    ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former Whitehouse Press Secretary Jay Carney

    ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary

    ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood

    CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nodes.

    The death of old school journalism.

    • dumbshit

      the old saying “it’s not what you know but who you know”, comes to mind

    • pak

      Well, well, well. Who’da thunk it?

  • mommadog

    The topic has been covered well here on WO but if anyone wants some additional reading this weekend there is an excellent article in the investigate magazine Feb/Mar issue called “New Jihad – the struggle to keep the lid on radicalisation”. It is a good overview of the situation here in NZ and the links of Muslims here with overseas. The kind of investigative reporting we will no doubt see from Freed when it starts. There is also a second article focused more on what’s happening in the UK. I have family members who don’t have computers or follow WO so will certainly share the articles so they get an understanding of the problem in NZ.

  • Aucky

    As an Aucklander I find it fascinating that we celebrate Chinese New Year, Diwali and the Pasifika Festival than we do our own National Day or the newly created BS Matariki. Chinese New Year is less than two weeks away and we are really looking forward to celebrating with our Chinese neighbours and participating in the well organised festivities and fireworks. It makes me proud to be an Aucklander but sad that as a nation we can’t celebrate being Kiwis.

    • pak

      Very interesting observation. I think Kiwis definitely have something to learn from how others celebrate such things. That said, Diwali is of course a very ancient festival and Chinese New Year possibly dates from -2300BC so maybe we just have a few more years to catch up!

      • Aucky

        My point is pak that while those festivals have been around for thousands of years it has only taken us a few years to absorb them into our own local culture. The reasons are very plain – they are true celebrations and the Indian and Chinese communities have done their utmost to reach out to all of their fellow Kiwis and welcome them to the festivities. Pasifika is a modern event and loved by the locals for the very same reasons.

        Grievance v celebrations. No contest.

        • pak

          Fair enough and good point. I think it is probably more the “festivity” aspect of Diwali and CNY though that N.Z. has taken on board, rather than many of the important traditions associated with the celebrations – e.g. where Diwali and CNY are traditionally part of the culture such things as house cleaning, the wearing of new clothes, and so on are very much part of it, as well as public holidays, which in case of C.N.Y. is the longest and most important in the Chinese calendar.

    • Wallace Westland

      This isn’t my National Day and I find nothing to celebrate in it.
      It is simply a day of division and hatred. I feel no need to participate.
      I’ll celebrate a National Day of unity on ANZAC Day.

      • I.M Bach

        NZ certainly does need a new national day and it will come about if the people really want it. While I share your love of the ANZAC spirit I feel that NZ needs a day to show the nation’s individuality and hopefully its unity, one day.

      • Edward Bufe

        Even if it is with the Aussies, sounds good enough for me.

    • la la land

      I don’t think Matariki is BS – I think its a lovely homegrown uniquely NZ celebration – and much loved by school children all over NZ. I would rather celebrate this NZ festival as a NZ day than a remembrance of a terrible war.

    • Steve (North Shore)

      Hope Len is at Pasifika. I want a little chat with him – video this time of him and his goons running away

  • GoingRight

    So last night had b’cue for 20 friends, pre daughters wedding tomorrow and hubby brought package down from town. Whale Oil Hat! It is fabulous, so comfortable to wear and looks fantastic. Better still one of guests is an old leftie friend who works for RNZ! He chortled with horror when he saw me wearing it! However was happy for me to take a photo of him wearing it also! Maybe I should publish it but don’t want to put him and his job at risk! Truly whoever designed them needs a medal.

    • 1951

      Best Wishes for the Big Day……don’t get too tired as you won’t be able to enjoy it. Remember to ask someone to record the speeches if not already arranged. Regret later for not capturing them.

      • GoingRight

        Thank you for your kind words, yes video man will record all of that hopefully plus the ceremony. Just pray for no rain as it is by the beach. Looking forward to it even if the bridal party are rather worse for wear after our b’cue last night. They have finished all the beer we got in for the weekend so tonight will be rather dry! At least they will feel better tomorrow!

  • jude

    • greybeard

      getting his mojo back……!

      • MaryLou

        Maybe. Didn’t like his fudging on fresh water rights…

        • greybeard

          ummmmm, perhaps I’m being a bit premature. Don’t give em the water JK!

          • I.M Bach

            Didn’t he say that water was for everyone the other day? Sorry, I can’t find the article.

          • MaryLou

            Have a look for the TV3 coverage of him at Waitangi yesterday. He did say the Leaders Group was wrong, but it was the bit afterwards that got me – something along the lines of – and anyway even if we did come to any agreement, it’s just the same use as everyone has – or something similar. I don’t buy it – that’s not the same as no agreement on water rights, and besides – Iwi Leaders Group are quite open that it’s all about business for them.

          • Edward Bufe

            He won’t, if he does then the rain will stop falling and NZ will become a desert.

        • I.M Bach

          And I fail to see why he wants a new flag to be in place on the 200th anniversary of the signing of the treaty. Like that matters? If the public want a new flag, can agree on the layout and vote on it, then put it into place when that happens. It shouldn’t happen on a date that reminds NZ’ers about everything that is wrong with the country.

          • MaryLou

            Yep. I think he thinks that with ending the settlements, he’ll be the one to end the rift between Maori and Pakeha. And he thinks he can have it done by then.

            I’m all for getting it finished, but he doesn’t seem to be noticing that the more he gives, the more they ask. It is big business – it won’t stop until the government stops.

          • I.M Bach

            Exactly; you’ve hit the nail on the head there. Someone needs to stand up, say “enough” and stop the flow of money. Full and final settlements were made in the 40’s but then we got lumbered with lifestyle protesters and the hand-wringing of the ‘priciples of the treaty’ in the 70’s. If the time and money spent on this waffle had been put into health and education kiwis would be on ‘genuis’ level and living to 150.

          • Edward Bufe

            If he is in the position we put him, then maybe he has more knowledge than us armchair wannabe politicians.

          • MaryLou

            :) On something this important, it’s necessary for us to speculate and advance commentary though, yes?

      • Gaynor

        Was a great off the cuff speech.

    • Edward Bufe

      I like it and so do a lot of Whale Oilers, so lets applaud him for that and not decry his every fault. None of us are perfect and asking him to be perfect is just been disrespectful to his appointed position.

  • cows4me

    King Abdullah 11 of Jordan when he stared in Star Trek 1996.

    • MaryLou

      That’s cool…

    • Urban Jungle

      What Star Trek was that?

  • MaryLou

    There really is no end to what ISIS will do – crucifying and burying alive children of minority groups, or using them in… oh, everything:

    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Islamic-State-selling-crucifying-burying-children-alive-in-Iraq-389994

    • pak

      The brutality is beyond comprehension. Any child that does survive these horrors is going to be so damaged and emotionally disconnected that you have to wonder what hope there could be for their future.

    • Urban Jungle

      Mary Lou…is that like being very happy on the karzee?

    • Cowgirl

      No it would appear that there are no depths they will not plumb. In fact, I think we’ve reached new lows here.

    • 1951

      The UN doin’-what-it-does-best ……………nothing!

    • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

      Appalling, but after the videos of the “other killings” I am sorry to say that nothing these bastards do surprises me and the only way they will see the error of their ways is through a bullet hole in their foreheads.

      What is even more appalling is the silence from the those who are supposed to be watching out for us (political leaders/UN/etc).

      What has to happen for these clowns to take action?

      Do these atrocities have to take place in their back yards before they will act?
      Unfortunately by then it will be too late and we will all be doomed.

      Radical Islam – Coming to a suburb near you. Bought to you by inaction and hand wringing!

  • Hakaru

    Fox news is upping the vocal condemnation of IS and all of the left who are still saying the IS is only a minority islam group. Interesting viewing.

  • Urban Jungle

    Ain’t a kiwi a type of fruit?

  • Curly1952

    On our way to Havelock North to see our son and his partner. Fresh fruit and wine no doubt. Oh “,New Zealand ” day is great

  • Urban Jungle

    It’s no use. I can’t stop myself. THIS IS THE MOST BORING SITE IN NZ.
    Thankfully, i know the dictators running this site will ban me extremely quickly now that I’ve dared to speak against it. Like being banned from this site is a negative sanction, it’s a welcome reward more like.
    WARNING: Do not reply to me, or the tyrants running this site will ban you for 7 days minimum.
    Here comes my last sentence…this site is a steaming pile of camal’s cack!

    • EveryWhichWayButLeft

      *sigh*

      • MaryLou

        Don’t worry. He even upvotes himself so he feels like he has friends.

        • I.M Bach

          Everyone is allowed an opinion. In my opinion Urban Jungle’s opinion isn’t worth posting an opinion on. So I won’t bother.

        • pak

          Ha ha MaryLou – spotted that myself as well!

  • I.M Bach

    As you go about your routine today spare a thought for the people of southwestern Western Australia; vast areas are burning fiercely and the fires are out of control. We awoke to the very strong smell of smoke this morning and the full moon is orange, the sky is grey with smoke and the rising sun is blood red. These fires are massive and burn like blow torches, resulting in total destruction of anything in their path. Some of the fires were triggered by lightning strikes while it has been reported that others were the work of arsonists. What morons these people are; the pain they cause is immeasurable. The closest road closure to us is the Pinjarra-Williams Road, not more than 20km from our front door but we are much further from the fire front and in a fairly heavily built up area. Emergency services are battling hard 24hrs a day at the moment with their efforts and a spot of rain helping to save the town of Northcliffe. Further north, and closer to us, the mining town of Boddington is under threat and that’s most likely contributing to our smoked breakfast.

    The fires are fed by what many say is a fuel load that should have been taken care of by controlled burnoffs. Experienced firefighters are backed by locals in their call for more burnoffs but these calls are opposed by greenies who want to preserve the forests as they are, never mind the fact that nature has been taking care of burnoffs for millions of years and the Aborigines have seen the value of such burnoffs for tens of thousands of years. The experienced folk say that 200,000ha should have been burnt off but in 2013 the area was 20-odd thousand and 80-odd thousand last year, nothing like what is required.

    Whatever the reasons for the start and continuation of the fires all we can do is hope that everyone gets out alive. Houses and vehicles can be replaced.

    A big thank you to all the emergency services.

    • pak

      A very moving report IMB and very worrying situation. Nature will do its thing, sometimes aided by poor management, but the moronic behaviour of arsonists is unconscionable. Stay safe.

    • sandalwood789

      Best wishes IMB – stay safe.

      The foolishness of the greenies opposing burnoffs is shown yet again. Hopefully the council there will increasingly ignore them and do what *works*. If there’s nothing to burn then it’s pretty hard to have a fire.

  • Hakaru

    This is the type of teacher that the charter schools hopefully will have. I remember some like this when I was being educated.
    http://www.godvine.com/Teacher-Has-Best-Response-For-Inappropriate-Question-fb-gv-6730.html

  • Ward_Boston_JAGC_Remembered

    “Prime Minister John Key has set out his case for changing the flag at his annual Waitangi Day breakfast address this morning – and admitted to a touch of envy over the ease with which Fiji Prime Minister Frank Bainimarama has made the same decision.”

    So John likes the way a dictator can make decisions.

    Maybe we are seeing the real John Key slither out from under his teflon facard after all this time.

    • MaryLou

      I don’t think there’s a person alive who, when they feel strongly about something wouldn’t like the power to effect the change. The difference is between those who do seize power to make those changes, and those that give a wry shrug and just think how much easier it would be.

    • Isherman

      Sets out HIS case, yes, but that doesn’t mean he make an executive decision to change it, that’s why there’s a referendum, so you get your equal say as well, whats your point exactly.

      • sandalwood789

        Yep – two referenda actually.

        The first is “which of these new designs do you like the most?”

        The second is “which do you prefer – the current NZ flag or the (winning) new design?”

    • kayaker

      The Fiji PM comment was made tongue in cheek.

      • Edward Bufe

        I thick a lot of cheek

  • Block This SUCKERS!

    Like to delete & block do ya? Hahaha!

  • Block This SUCKERS!

    This ain’t just the worst site in NZ, it’s the worst site in the world!

  • sandalwood789

    First huge upset at the Wellington Sevens –
    France have beaten South Africa (the series leaders) 22-5.
    S.A. still have to play USA and Japan.
    They should beat Japan but the USA game could be interesting.

    NZ’s first game is at 2.08pm (vs Canada).

  • Watcher

    Thank God Jordan is going after the filthy mongrels and pulling out all the stops.
    Someone has to, good for them, they have my best wishes.
    I just hope beyond hope that no more of their pilots or troops get captured by the filth.

  • sandalwood789

    Reasonable start for the young NZ team in the Sevens – a 26-5 win over Canada.

    Their next game is against Papua New Guinea at 5.04pm.

  • Je Suis Charlie – Respect!!

    Hangi for dinner tonight. In line with the day I guess.

    Okay its a pakeha hangi (gas powered UFO cooker), but still good. Time for a few beers and catch up with some mates while we eat.

    Waitangi day isnt my national holiday.

    As an exserviceman ANZAC day is my NZ day. Seems to truely be the day where race isnt an issue. It is about all NZers of all colours standing together recognising what was/is important. It is a day to remember sacrifices and to hope for a better world in the future.

  • MaryLou

    Just wow. If you have Twitter, jump on and take a look at Alistair Thompson’s latest conversation. Serious shennanigans (again) at Auckland Council in regards to dodgy voting? (pic):

  • LovetoTeach

    I took one for the team (the Blubbageddon team in particular) and tried the new pineapple M &Ms. Luckily, they are just ok….so we can all breathe out.

    You’re welcome ;)

  • Watcher

    Just finished digging my spuds….bumper crop of “Heather” potatoes. I am rapt.
    So will the kids be when I dole them out, as mum and I can only eat a few kilos of them.

  • Eiselmann

    Very impressed with the costumes at the sevens….wish I’d invested in the company that dressed all those people in the “Yellow Seat” costume …it looks so realistic.

    • Watcher

      Heh nice.

  • sandalwood789

    Good second win for NZ at the Sevens – a 38-7 win over Papua New Guinea.

    A big crunch game at 6:10pm – South Africa vs USA.
    SA lost to France whereas USA beat France 38-7.
    If SA lose this game they’re out of the main Cup competition.

    NZ’s last game of the day is vs England at 9:00pm.

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