I want the Bible and Quran banned. Or at least age restricted

Bob McCoskrie is dumber than a sack of hammers and clearly still hasn’t heard about the Streisand Effect.

Conservative lobby group Family First is considering its legal options after a ban on controversial teen novel Into the River was lifted.

An interim restriction order was applied last month on Ted Dawe’s award-winning coming-of-age novel making it illegal to sell or supply the book anywhere in New Zealand.

Film and Literature Board of Review took the step after Family First sought to have an age restriction placed on the book because of its subject matter.

The book contains offensive language and addresses several controversial issues, including having sex under the legal age, illegal drug use, child sex exploitation and violent assault.

In a 4-1 majority decision the board lifted the ban saying it did not believe an age restriction was justified.  

Family First national director Bob McCoskrie said the group would be writing to the board with concerns over whether due process was followed in its decision.

Of particular concern was the fact the Classification Office originally recommended an R18 rating.

He accused the board of bowing to book industry pressure to remove the restriction.

“The focus is not so much on the book, it’s on the process and giving confidence to parents that a vetting system is working properly.”

While the group did not intend to appeal the lack of age restriction on Into the River, he said the move set a “dangerous precedent” for the release of similar material.

“We want the board to get their standards right,” he said.

Fair enough…let’s ban the book that has polygamy, prostitution, debauchery, buggery, incest, genocide, slavery, torture and violence…the Bible. And while we are at it let’s ban the book written by a confirmed pedophile that has all the same sort of stuff in it…the Quran.

Bob McCoskrie needs to be consistent.

 

– 3News

 


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  • oldmanNZ

    I think ive seen worst on those other Blogs site and the general internet.

    even Facebook has obsence language coming out of those people.

    Ban those too? a book….what kids still reads those?

  • Eddie

    Given the experience of one Somali refugee to Sweden, restricting the bible/Quoran to certain ages is a great idea! http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2015/April/Ex-Muslim-Koran-Revealed-a-Religion-I-Did-Not-Like/

  • Brendan McNeill

    The specifics of this book to one side, do we as a culture believe there is a place for censorship, and ‘age appropriateness’ when it comes to publications of all kinds?

    Most parents at least would say ‘yes’ to that question.

    Then it just becomes a matter of general consensus as to where the line is drawn.

    Additionally, the violence and sex found in the Bible is a record of ‘what happened’ and is not presented in a gratuitous way, as these things often are in novels. I’m not in favour of burning or banning books, but I do believe that as adults we have a responsibility to ensure that books targeted at children should at least be appropriate for reading on public radio.

    • Second time around

      If the Bible is read as a history, then it is not different from English history where protestants and catholics each in their time enjoyed being burnt at the stake. Few people now consider that the punishments justified. However many people would read the Bible not as a history but as the foundation of their beliefs, without the right to decide for themselves which bits of the sex and violence was not pleasing to God.

      • Brendan McNeill

        I’m not sure what point you are making.

        The Bible is both a record of what happened, (history) and a narrative concerning God’s engagement with mankind culminating in the incarnation of Christ. It calls for a response but does not demand we give up our ability to reason or decide for ourselves.

        • Second time around

          Not every believer would consider that he had the right to accept bits of the Bible but not its entirety. Obviously the less literal the interpretation, the fewer conflicts with modern society values.

          • Brendan McNeill

            Christians reside on a spectrim when it comes to understanding the Bible, from literalism at one end to complete indifference at the other.

            Most however don’t view the Bible like (say) Muslims view the Koran, as the ‘literal spoken word of God’. They understand that it is a narrative that was inspired by the Holy Spirit, but delivered through human agency.

            This allows for meaningful debate and interpretation. Something we are much better at doing post enlightenment.

          • Keyser Soze

            So how do you decide where on this spectrum you sit when it comes to understanding a particular bit of the bible? Basically you get to pick and choose what parts to take or leave. And, because it takes your own human judgement to decide where you sit on the spectrum, you are confirming that human ‘morals’ are hard wired not learned from a book or guided by some supernatural force… TBH the Muslim approach seems more ‘honest’ even if as woefully misguided.

          • Brendan McNeill

            That’s a good question, however you are coming at it from the cultural framework of western individualism.

            Understanding the teaching Moses, the Prophets, of Jesus Christ and the Apostles doctrine is a theological process that has been engaged in by brilliant minds and Godly men and women for thousands of years. Out of this has come a large consensus of understanding regarding the Scriptures that we refer to as ‘orthodoxy’ – that is an understanding of Scripture that most Christians readily accept to be true regardless of denominational preferences.

            The remaining 5% may cause ‘heated discussion’ from time to time, but they are peripheral matters that are not foundational to the Christian faith or practice.

            However, the beauty of the Christian faith, at least today is that we now allow space for sincere Christians to disagree with each other, and for that disagreement to be respected.

            This is entirely unlike Islam, where both the Sunni and Shia sects view the other as Apostates – a crime deserving of death.

            There is more to this than a short response in a post can capture, but I trust you get the essence of it.

          • Keyser Soze

            Yep, got it. Men have exercised their own personal judgement as to what is right and wrong and what to take or leave from the bible. I guess you’d have to be inherently good to be able to do so.

          • Brendan McNeill

            I usually discover when having these conversations about the Bible, that one of us hasn’t read it. That means that one of us is either relying upon the opinions of others, or making their assessments in a vacuum, all of which is unhelpful.

            But to your point – none of us is ‘inherently good’. Even the best of us are selfish at the very least, depraved at worst. That’s part of the human condition we all share.

            The open secret contained in the Bible is that there is the hope of transformation in this life – the ability to be set free from our self destructive attitudes and behaviours.

            However there is one ‘catch’. This secret can only be revealed to those who search it out for themselves.

          • Bryan

            as one old man once said ” it not the bits of the bible I don’t understand that worry me ” It’s the parts that i do understand that get to me and show me for what I really am “

    • bevanjs

      “found in the Bible is a record of ‘what happened’ ” …….written by who? And how many generations removed were they from witnesses/events?

      • Brendan McNeill

        Hi Bevan, the answers to those questions are in the public domain.

    • Nebman

      Leaving aside the huge fish-hook that is your Bible “historical record” claim , you are right in that age appropriateness is important.

      I’d personally not let my kids read theological doctrine of any persuasion until I was happy that they realised Astrology, numerology and Psychics have just as much a claim to legitimacy as “God” does.

      I don’t mock others beliefs by the way but I don’t support their ability to use them to interfere with mine.

      • Brendan McNeill

        Obviously I’m happy for you to raise your children how you think best.

        The question of ‘interference’ from others with respect to their beliefs would be valid if we all lived as hermits. Most of us however live alongside others in towns and cities. What we believe therefore matters not just to me as an individual, but also to my neighbour. Because of living in proximity to each other we need a ‘common set’ of laws that we all generally subscribe to in order to function in civil society.

        All laws are derived from our beliefs, religion, values and traditions. Some you may like, others perhaps not so much.

        Decades ago, inhabitants of the west had what might be described as a ‘common cord of meaning’ that anchored us within shared cultural values. Unfortunately those days are gone and all we have left is a political ‘will to power’ where the winner takes all.

        Interesting times.

        • Bryan

          yep it’s called “situation ethics” ,here we are in a situation today which we think is so unique we can make up our own rules, except we never learn from History and the result for all our so called cleverness we go and make the same dumb mistakes generation after generation, because we all assume dad knows nothing.
          We are not free to bring our children as we think best as we have been given an instruction book and told to teach it to our children “as we rise up, we got to sleep, walk by the way etc i.e 24 /7 it is not up to us to dream up our own morals and ethics, as that would result in complete moral collapse ” and you end up with the commentary of the end of Joshua “everyone did what was right in their own eyes and there was no king in israel in those days ” leadership and direction gone result national bankruptcy and moral collapse rotten from within.

          • Brendan McNeill

            No Bryan, absent criminal offending, every parent is free to bring up their children as they think best.

            Not all parenting styles produce the same outcomes however, and I suspect that’s what you are alluding to.

    • LesleyNZ

      Absolutely right Brendan. Unless a person understands what sin is and how God views sin – the Bible is not understood at all. As slavery is mentioned here in this post here is why it is mentioned in the Bible: https://carm.org/slavery

  • Boondecker

    Call me a tad over-cynical, but has anyone checked to see if McCoskrie and Ted Dawe know each other. In these days of match fixing cricketers, it doesn’t take much imagination for one to figure on another sort of fixing…

  • Shane Ponting

    Does that include your daily Proverb?

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