Angry Andy busted with pork pies


Andrew Little exclaimed yesterday on Q+A that he was working with Winston Peters and the Greens on formulating policy for an alternative government.

Fairfax reported it also:

Earlier on Sunday Little said he was talking with both the Greens and NZ First, separately, about issues where there is common ground that they could campaign on ahead of next year’s general election.

He said the public would know “well in time for next year’s election” where all three parties line-up and where there are differences.

“In terms of specific joint policy announcements, we’re certainly not there yet, but between now and the next election I certainly wouldn’t rule out (joint policy) with either of those parties.”

I thought to myself as I heard that news…”I wonder if anyone has told Winston about this, or asked him what he thinks?”   

Well, Richard Harman at Politik did:

NZ First Leader Winston Peters was pouring cold water last night on claims by Labour Leader Andrew Little that Labour, the Greens and NZ First could shortly start to develop some joint policy positions.

Mr Little made the claims to the website, STUFF.

But Mr Peters has long maintained that NZ First would not commit itself to any potential coalition before an election.

His standard response is to say he would wait till the voters had spoken; which is usually taken to mean he would talk to the party with the largest share of the vote first.

And last night he was adamant there were no joint policies in the wind.

“There are no joint policies we are working on, full stop,” he said.

“We have dialogue with other parties on various other matters mainly relating to the conduct of the House and Parliament.

“But we are certainly not working on any joint policy with any other party.”

Pretty unequivocal. Winston say no, and it looks like Andrew little told a big fat whopper on Q+A.

Winston was also unequivocal to Fairfax:

But Peters says his position not to discuss potential coalition governments, or joint policy, hasn’t changed in 23 years and he “won’t depart from that now”.

“We row our own boat and we formulate our own policy.”

Peters didn’t think Little had been “deliberately wrong” in his comments because the two parties do meet to discuss issues, but not policy ideas.

“It’s a fact to say we’ve had talks on various issues…I have conversations with most political parties, but not all.”

But he said those meetings centred on specific issues, such as, the conduct of the House and Question Time.

Very clear then that Andrew Little just made it all up on the fly, perhaps to show he was the man who bring all the opposition parties together. Winston Peters of course just spiked that nonsense.

You see, the problem for Andrew Little is that Winston Peters can count and Andrew Little cannot.

You need 62 seats realistically to govern, and no matter which way you add up Labour, Greens and NZ First you can’t get those numbers. But you can get them when you add up NZ First and National.

Winston has always been able to count, the only times he hasn’t was in his last gasp fights in Tauranga against Bob Clarkson and Simon Bridges. He redeemed himself by proving he could count better than jo de Joux and Steve Joyce in Northland.

Winston will never work with the Greens, and I’m not sure they want to play the battered mistress again.


– Fairfax, Politik



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  • Keeping Stock

    As much as I am always sceptical about everything that Winston Peters says, he certainly seems to have knee-capped Andrew Little with his categorical denial. I’m guessing it won’t be long before Grant has the knife-sharpener out again…

    • biscuit barrel

      “between now and the next election I certainly wouldn’t rule out (joint policy) with either of those parties.”
      Either doesnt mean both.

  • john Doe

    No doubt there will be a gang of political reporters putting the blow torch on little today. Yeah right!

    • hsvmaloo

      That would be difficult as he’s still down from the count as of yesterdays Q & A disaster.

    • Wayne Hodge

      John, in a country with a group of political reporters eg UK or USA, in NZ where they are all shills for Labour and Greens, doubtful

  • phronesis

    But we all know that when Winston says NO he really means YES….

  • Ruahine

    The next Government is likely to be a National and NZ First Coalition. John Key will be our Ambassador in Washington D.C.

    • biscuit barrel

      Little will be Ambassador to the UN and Key will still be PM.
      Its often said the reason why the Queen wont abdicate is that she quite likes being Queen. Same goes for Key being PM.

  • cows4me

    It’s such a shame that a coalition of these three parties would actually stuff the country. If nothing else there would be plenty of stupidity intermingled with outright hilarity as we would lurch from one diaster to the next.

    • Spiker

      The Venezuelans would be looking across at us with pity & a feeling of good fortune that they are so well governed in comparison.

      • Wayne Hodge

        So true, so frightening

    • rexabus

      Andrew Little gives the impression he’d struggle to make a coalition of his own party, let alone attempt to get another couple of parties on board. Tell him he’s dreaming

  • Pita

    Andrew Little exclaimed yesterday on Q+A that he was working with
    Winston Peters and the Greens on formulating policy for an alternative
    government…A “play as a team and do it my way” approach.

  • CheesyEarWax

    One thing for sure is Winston won’t be spending another term in opposition.

  • Left Right Out

    I love this comment……. “I have conversations with most political parties, but not all.”

    Directed straight at the Greens…….

  • kloyd0306

    If Angry Pork Pies wants more seats in govt, he, too, should tell the wacky Greens that he will not form a government with them.

  • WaveAtTheBridge

    Personally I wouldn’t trust Winston’s word on this any more than AA’s