Rachel Smalley doesn’t understand the most fundamental concepts

Whaleoil faithful Isherman writes:

Rachel Smalley is having a little cry this morning over the UK Labour MP Naz Shah being stood down, over posting comments that the State of Isreal should be moved into and inside the US…”problem solved”, as she says. Of course, this type of sentiment has become all too common in the Labour party of Jeremy Corbyn, and they have been forced to act.

But Rachel thinks this amounts to shutting down of any criticism (legitimate or otherwise) of Israel, and that any criticism of Israel is automatically equated with anti-Semitism. She says…”Israel is a country it seems, that is above criticism”.

Hardly Rachel, you will find, if you take your blinkers off for a moment, it’s probably the most criticised country anywhere. But worse that that, she is apparently ignorant of the country itself.

“Is it because in New Zealand, we live in a secular state, so to us State and religion don’t go hand in hand”

Newsflash deary…Israel is a secular state…always has been.

She bemoans how she was criticised beyond anything she has experienced for her strong and vocal criticism of the IDF hitting a UN school in Gaza 2014, in which civilians including children were in fact killed.

Well, nobody denies that, but Rachel, by admission of Hamas itself, and subsequent ‘investigations’ by the UNRWA, it was found and proved that Hamas do and did store weapons and sometimes fighters inside these UNRWA schools, and not just this one, but as many as seven that have been identified.

Now, it might not have occurred to her that this makes them a military target, and further, such use of civilian infrastructure is itself…a war crime.

So Rachel, spare me please your tears. We know where you sit on the issue, you are no better by describing the only fully democratic secular state in the region as a “killer regime”.

I noticed you were in no hurry a couple of weeks back to laud the fact that Israel has invested a Muslim Arab (Israeli) as national deputy police chief, or any of the other civic realities that you would only find in open democratic secular societies.

No, you only want to find what you consider the ‘bad’, and as such you are as unbalanced as anyone you criticise who see things differently, so spare me the tears.

Keplar Smalley does just one hour of on-air time a day; less than 50 minutes once you take out the news and the ads.

Talk radio and current affairs commentating requires a huge amount of prep and a broad knowledge base.

Any good host has the self-awareness not to blunder into areas where they know their knowledge isn’t up to scratch.

 


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  • R&BAvenger

    “Any good hosts has the self-awareness not to blunder into areas they know their knowledge isn’t up to scratch.” That sums up pretty much all our MSM, hosts and others. It’s all preaching leftie ideology for the most part from that mob.

  • Jimmie

    I think a strategic move to boost profits at Newstalk ZB would be for Smalley to have her time adjusted to starting at 3.00 am and finishing at 3.15 am. This would include a segment for local news within her new alloted time frame.

    I suspect this would result in a real and achievable increase to their bottom line.

    • biscuit barrel

      Broadcasting rules require a ‘balance of views’ They are moving away from their blokey right wing heritage.

      • Aucky

        ……and also moving away from their core audience as some large advertisers will attest.Take Leighton (and Larry?) out of the mix at the end of the year and ZB will be hanging its commercial viability on Veitch and Hosking’s hats.

        Oh how I would love to see RNZ to adopt your ‘balance of views’ principle but then they don’t have to worry about their advertisers.

    • PsychoKea

      That time spot has been reserved for Jack Lame

    • herewego

      Does KPMG still tarnish their brand with her? If so I can’t understand why.

  • biscuit barrel

    Israel a ‘secular state’ not by most definitions.

    “While the basic laws and the Declaration of Independence designate Israel as a “Jewish and democratic state” Freedom House , a US government funded NGO

  • Johnno

    I would like to hear Rachel’s comments about this video showing Gaza kids putting on a play about stabbing and killing Israelis. These young children are brandishing toy knifes and guns acting out violent scenes in event broadcast on Hamas television.
    Of course if it was Israeli kids doing this it would be all over the news and condemned.
    https://youtu.be/4QRYCXm42Wg

  • biscuit barrel

    Heres the Israel declaration Independence, first two parts

    Asserts the natural right of the Jewish people to exercise self-determination in its sovereign state.
    Proclaims the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz Israel, named “the State of Israel.”
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/decind.html

    And the Basic law
    Purpose 1. The purpose of this Basic Law is to protect human dignity and liberty, in order to establish in a Basic Law tile values of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Politics/Basic_Law_Human_Dignity_and_Liberty.html

    Ms Smalley is correct, Israel IS a Jewish state, and I cant see how anyone would see it otherwise.

    • Rightsideofthebed

      So when the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence reference God, does that make the US a non-secular state?
      Or is a better test how the state actually functions – ie are the laws of the land copied straight from the religious tracts and enforced as per the religious writings?
      As you will be aware most Western democracies reference God somewhere in their founding documents or statutes – this doesn’t make them no-secular with separation of church and state.

      • biscuit barrel

        Does the US constitution say its a Christian state , No .
        But in Israel they do say Jewish State. Its not a terrible thing but it is what it is.

        • Robot Number-Eleven

          You are entitled to practice any religion of your choosing in Israel. Why do you think gay Muslim men in Palestine are fleeing to Israel at any chance they get. Israel is secular in that no religious faith dictates the country’s laws nor the rights and freedoms of its citizens. It is culturally Judeo-Christian, just as New Zealand is.

    • Isherman

      “A Jewish and democratic State”, in this case the term “Jewish” is a polyseme, and can be used to describe both ethnic and religious connotation. From a constitutional point of view, Judaism is not the State religion, and the Rabbinate is not a “State” rabbinate, and thus, at least legally and constitutionally, it is a secular state.
      That notwithstanding, it is admitted that many Jewish observances are maintained at a state level, ie holidays, dietary laws on the national airline etc, and this is because it is a ‘nominally’ Jewish State,but not an official one.

      • Aucky

        Ish, correct me if I am wrong but I believe that 21% of the Israeli population are Muslims which seems to indicate more than a degree of religious tolerance and freedom. To put that in perspective proportionately there are twice as many Muslims in Israel than there are Catholics in NZ.

        • Isherman

          The 20-21% figure represents the Arab population, of which, just over 80% are Sunni Muslim, a very small number of Shia, about 9% Druze, and another 9% or thereabouts Christian.

          • Aucky

            And conversely how many Jews would even be allowed to exist at the most basic levels in Israel’s neighbouring countries? The question is of course rhetorical.

          • Isherman

            Post 1948, basically stuff all. The biggest chunk of them were booted out of the Arab countries, with only very tiny pockets left.
            But it wasn’t only the war of independence that caused this. In the case of Libya, during WW2, the Italians controlled Libya with German support, and most of the Jewish population were forced out then. In fact, one of the reasons the state survived at all was that it had the manpower, care of Jews being forced out of a host of other countries, so they inadvertently helped secure the survival of the state they came to despise so much. But we digress.

          • biscuit barrel

            of course you are right Aucky. The fact its a jewish state is still clear, when it was founded, when they wrote their constitution.
            In fact there are strong proposals to make ‘more Jewish state’

          • Isherman

            There is at present no singular document of constitution, rather the Basic Laws are deemed to be the ‘constitutional’ Laws, as overseen by the judiciary, though you are correct that some elements would dearly love to make the State a fully fledged theocratic state. It’s unlikely to happen, and that’s a good thing.
            Originally a constituent assembly was supposed to have produced a formal written constitution by Oct 1 1948. That prompted a nasty spat between the left & right, and it never quite got there. Over time various amendments and additions have also been made and these too are considered constitutional with the approval of the supreme court.

          • biscuit barrel

            Druze arent muslims, thats why israel makes an exception for them.

            “The Druze faith is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion that does not follow the Five Pillars of Islam”
            Its no more Muslim than they are jewish.

          • Isherman

            I have pointed out that they are a percentage of the Arab population, not the Muslim population, in the same way the 9% Christian aren’t Muslim…clearly.

          • biscuit barrel

            Off course thats correct, but when people talk about individuals who serve Israel, and they have arab names, its never mentioned they are Druze not muslims

          • Isherman

            Fair enough point, and quite correct.

  • ridsel

    She is incapable of basic reasoning. She seems to think that there’s some meaningful insight into wider prejudices because Shah was stood down for her anti-Israel statement and Trump is still running for US president despite his anti-Muslim statements. Two individual statements on different topics and made in very different contexts! Worse, she seems to take Trump’s ongoing candidacy as evidence that “we’re” [presumably Kiwis or the entire western world] “OK with” his Muslim immigration ban. How can she possibly think that link makes sense?

  • Tony Norriss

    What lefties don’t understand is that the reason the rich get richer and the poor get poorer is the reason that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

  • Just me

    There are ignorant people out there who feel insulted when they are called “Smalley” and who can blame them eh?!

  • Robot Number-Eleven

    Mr Whale Oil. I’m glad you said it! I tried to post the exact same comment to the NZ Herald, but my comments never seem to be uploaded there. Ever. As I tried to say there, you have far more chance of being uninvited to any future dinner parties if you actually DEFEND Israel. Meanwhile, bashing Israel is de rigueur. Just look at the comments on the Herald that they post — nearly all of them actually critique Israel and support the anti-Semites like Smalley. The hypocrisy disgusts me.

  • North Shore Panda

    Is Rachel Smalley above using her intellect?

  • one for the road

    The salient point should be that “she doesnt understand ANY concepts at all”.

  • Ravan

    Oh Noes– RatShill again!!!

  • Eddie

    Rachel Keplar Smalley tries to sound smart but is shown up to be ignorant by someone with knowledge. Beautiful.
    https://www.facebook.com/newstalkzb/posts/1053549554688259

    • Isherman

      Rachel shows herself up again here actually. Note she says ‘the’ bombing, as in singular incident, when in fact there it wasn’t one single location at all. Of the seven locations there were in fact three schools involved in such incidents. It appears to be the Beit Hanoun elementary that the respondent refers to where an investigation found that Hamas counter mortar fire indeed was responsible, though I note the clip shows the Abu Nur location from where Hamas launched attacks.

  • Red

    She’s at the tail end of the Mumbling Around Midnight Show. That says a bit

  • biscuit barrel

    Just because Israel isnt a rigid theocratic state in the way Saudi Arabia is doesnt mean it isnt jewish at is heart and core.
    Could could see North Korea is a communist state, but compared to that China would be seen as not, but underneath China too is a communist state.

    the only reason Israel didnt become a rigid theocratic jewish state, is funnily enough the jews themselves. They could never agree.
    But the Chief rabbi is an important state figure and the government has devolved a lot of authority over citizens that would be unthinkable in western democracies

    “The Rabbinical courts are part of Israel’s judicial system, and are managed by the Ministry of Religious Services. The courts have exclusive jurisdiction over marriage and divorce of Jews and have parallel competence with district courts in matters of personal status, alimony, child support, custody, and inheritance. Religious court verdicts are implemented and enforced—as for the civil court system—by the police, bailiff’s office, and other agencies”

    Do you see a fully secular state here ! Im not trying to find fault but it is what it is

    • Curious

      I commented to SaggyNaggy on this (see above). First the Israelites were a people, then they were enjoined to their religion by establishing the covenant, then they entered the land. So, the Jewish people are bound by the structure, interpretations, festivals, writings and life cycle of their religion, as is any group sharing a common background. The Jewish people is the community, the engagement, the ethics, food, song and dance. I think of religion as being the bowl and peoplehood as to what fills that bowl. In this way you can have an atheist Jew, who is still and will always remain a Jew.

  • A common definition of secularism is the belief that religion should not play a role in government, education, or other public parts of society. Not sure if the claim that Israel is a ‘secular state’ can withstand objective scrutiny.

    When a key demand of Netanyahu is that the Arab states recognise Israel as a “jewish state” such a demand would tend to be a fatal claim that Israel is a secular state. Further undermining the claim is that being of a certain religion gives the person a automatic right of entry. A more fundamental hurdle to overcome is that the predominant population assert their right to abode based on a promise made by a deity whose alleged actions would put them signficantly above Genghis Khan, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Hitler combined

  • Keanne Lawrence

    There is not much argument. Rachel Smalley doesn’t understand – MUCH. EOS

  • SaggyNaggy

    Israel is a Jewish state. Last time I checked, Judaism is a religion. However, because it’s a religion that one is born into, it’s often confused with being an ethnicity.

    • spanishbride

      Yes like NZ is a majority Christian country with a secular government.
      Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia on the other hand actually are Islamic governments. Ruled by religion.

    • Curious

      Not really correct in the specific case of Judaism. The evidence is in Exodus, the second book of the Torah. Moses lead the Israelites from slavery out of Egypt, as a people. The giving of the 10 commandments and the establishment of the covenant occurred at Mt Sinai after this. This is why we describe this group as the Jewish people. People first, then religion, then land.

  • Eddie

    Ken Livingstone makes similar excuses for Anti-Semitism in the uk and he’s raked over hot coals. Either Smalley isn’t as important as she might like to think or her employer thinks like she does.
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/how-the-internet-reacted-to-ken-livingstones-most-disastrous

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