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  • Nechtan

    Born today in 1917 Walter Horton, better known as Big Walter Horton or Walter “Shakey” Horton a blues harmonica player of whom the great Willie Dixon once said “the best harmonica player I ever heard.”

    Born today in 1944 John Stax early bass with The Pretty Things.

    Born today in 1947 Tony Connor the drummer with Hot Chocolate.

    Today in 1965 Simon and Garfunkel’s soundtrack LP “The Graduate” went to number 1 on the US album charts.

    Today in 1968 Pink Floyd announced that founder Syd Barrett had officially left the group. The band would later write “Shine On You Crazy Diamond” as a tribute to Syd.

    • willtin

      I think I could live on harp music alone.

    • Left Right Out

      Shine on you crazy diamond is one of my fav Floyd tracks….. is a very good listen

  • Carl

    Is this your handy work Nige? (pic)

    • Brent

      Seen Nige’s work and the finishing on that cut is well below his high standard.

      • Nige.

        Correct. I would sand and chamfer the edges.

        • You just know the awful feeling of getting a run in your nylons.

          • Nige.

            Or ones fur caught on a stray splinter

    • willtin

      Once upon a time, I might have done that.

  • Nige.

    XCIA answered last night’s question with:

    “That sounds like an outside dunny”

    Have you used an outhouse?

    • Nige.

      I had worked at a place that had an outhouse for “the workers” that was so disgusting that I would open the door right up and swing it around me and take my leak outside within the confines of the triangle created.

      • Curly1952

        When I was a young fellow we had long drops and I can still see my dad and his mates digging the hole with a bucket on a winch. It was actually a bit scary at night – no light in the outhouse which was a good 25 metres from the house. I reckon I was back indoors before my business hit the bottom of the new holes

        • Nechtan

          One way to ensure a good clean out.

        • XCIA

          Last year when I was looking for unusual Christmas presents to fill up the Christmas baskets, I came across an Aussie brass foundry who made these “dunny lights”.

    • Yep. One or two. But mostly long drops. Some of them have fantastic views. If you put those long drops in Auckland, they’d sell for $1m each :D

      • Nige.

        I worked on a vineyard waaaay up the awatere valley that had a very short long drop due to the rocky terrain but it was well ventilated. You could happily sit there with the door open because it faced a cliff that overlooked the river right to the horizon.

      • Greg M

        The one at chancellor hut is a fairly memorable place to quietly back one out. {pic}

    • john Doe

      Yep booked a batch at Lake Coleridge many years back with a long drop. Had to fish a opossum out before the girls would go within cooee of the place. Bit of a mission but the little fellow was quite relieved to be freed. Was on a bit of a state tho!

    • Brent

      Still have one down Portunderwood. First job when we get there is chase the water rats out.

    • I have a greenie eco type friend (we all have one we need to hide away) that is a great believer in self-composting toilets, and he’s quite adept at making them. No smell at all, and they look after themselves with only a little work.

      • Chris EM

        I used one of those at the camp ground just north of Colville. I had to use it straight after someone else, and expected the worst. No smell though! There was a drum of saw dust in there, and you poured some on to your toxic waste using a small bucket. Was quite impressed.

    • Eiselmann

      Yeah lived in a bach in the bush for a year and it had an outhouse…Lime became my friend.

      • The only time you have a “poo and a lime shake”

    • Left Right Out

      Grandfathers place in Lawrence had one….. boy I hated those frosty mornings

      • Once you have camped/tramped above or near the snowline during the winter, you quickly work out certain systems that mean that you do not have to go out in the snow with next to nothing on.

        I can’t say it hasn’t come in handy on occasion during other severe winter cold situations where going to the toilet otherwise involves a trip outside.

    • Yes, it’s all we had as kids and when a flush toilet was put in apparently my brother and I were terrified of the damn thing and refused to use it until we went to our Grans and she’d had one installed too. I probably knew more people with than without until I was around 10…or so.

    • XCIA

      Boy, have I had some wicked experiences in outside dunny’s, especially in rural Russia but by far the funniest was at my Irish granny’s in Belfast. The grandfather used to paint the toilet seat every month with a white oil based paint that took a while to dry. Visiting one day, I was desperate and forgot to check before sitting down. When it came time to complete the task, my bum was firmly stuck to the seat. It took forever to dislodge myself.

      • I just featured this comment. :D

        • XCIA

          Thanks Pete ;-) just as well the nom de plumes afford us a little modesty!

    • Isherman

      Not regularly for many years, we had a long drop in the family batch in the Coromandel that we used to have, and the only other one was the parents one which they had put in while the house was being built up north. My sister always had a hard time coping with them…it was hillarious listening to her grizzle about how awful it was, then there was the outdoor shower, which was a solar shower slung up in the trig station with a tarp wrapped around it. She doesn’t do roughing it very well.

    • Sally

      Family bach outhouse – big celebration when Mum decided that she had enough of tripping down the bush track to it and Dad had to build a flush toilet.

      Then there are those down the Wanganui River which were pretty challenging but the worse one was in a Kenya National Park, I only used it because it was a bit safer than behind a bush (who knows what large cat was on the prowl).

    • Carl

      They are not outside but the squat toilets I came across in the Middle East take a bit of getting used to.

    • hookerphil

      Often. When a little kid used to be looked after sometimes by this old couple, it had a framed picture in it. It was of a man cutting the bread but by mistake had the boys head under his hand – more terrified of that than the long drop.
      My brother had one on his farm – he was sitting in it one day during a storm and it blew down, he said he could then see a lot more paddocks.

    • Chris EM

      When I was in scouts we had a week long camp with a long drop. I didn’t do a dump the whole week.
      I have used them since though. : ( Urgency ya know.

      • Needs must. I’ve done my business in situations where… well, needs must. You just don’t think too hard and have a shower as soon as you can.

      • Nige.

        Take metamicil before, codine during, and prunes after.

    • Brian Smaller

      Have one at home. Tin sides, a proper seat – even rigged up a light in it so you don’t have to fumble your cell phone torch and drop it down the dunny. Threatened to put a randomly picked teenager at my daughter’s last party down it to retrieve things that shouldn’t be in it – cans and bottles. Fortunately they took heed and none of those items were dropped down it – they believed that I would do it.

    • Steve (North Shore)

      Well in the Alaskan interior (well 50 miles SW of Talkeetna) a private family camp had this setup. 30+ people camping, bbq-ing, drinking, firing guns, playing cards, cruising on quads, telling lies, and we needed a place to go to the toilet

    • Michelle

      Yes some really bad ones and some of the DOC composting ones which are good

    • Dan

      Oh yes! Tanzania, Africa. When the blowflies moved out – lo and behold! A hole!

      the trick is to not breathe in until seated, otherwise your mouth is filled by whatever flies out of aforementioned hole.

    • Huia

      Yes all the time when I was a kid in the Naki, then in Gisborne the night cart used to come around and empty the cans.
      Worst experience was up at the Mangatepopo hut up the mountain in National park in a howling wind.
      The dunny was perched on the edge so the freezing wind howl up the long drop and freeze your assets if you were in there too long. Not only that but when you dropped the used paper into the “hole,” the wind blew it straight back out again and you got warm by jumping around trying to catch the used paper.
      Hmmm, great fun.

    • Lux

      Yes the first house I moved out from home had one.. It was in the Waitakeres, in the bush, it is probably still there. The house had no bath or shower inside either, just an outside cold shower and down a private track there was fresh water stream we used to bathe in. It was wonderful.

      I loved it all, except having to go to the outhouse in the dark at night, we all used to go together .. if it was urgent…

      Luckily for us the friend I lived with had her father living nearby and he used to take care of all the comings and goings with the outhouse.

      Lots of lovely memories from that place.

      It had views of the whole of Auckland, it would be worth millions now.

    • MaryLou

      Yes, often when camping. I don’t think they’ve gotten any better with time.

  • john Doe

    International sports data base Infostrata has the predicted NZ will claim best Olympic haul of 23 medals on their virtual medal table. I won’t list the virtual recipients but 11 golds, seven silver and 5 bronze will put us in ninth place. A study of the virtual recipients and thier road to Rio would give all of these competitors a very good chance. Sure they can’t count their chickens before they hatch, but I’ve seen enough form to multi up a few of them and invest a fiver at the TAB.

  • Curly1952

    Just watched a bit of question time at Parliament.
    Peters would have to be the biggest hypocrite around. He moans like hell when someone doesn’t give the answer he expects, wants or gives him a vague answer yet he is the only person who I have never heard give a straight answer to a simple question. I am actually over him big time as I reckon he believes he is the be all and end all of Parliament and quite frankly I believe is attitude in Parliament is quite rude

    • Pluto

      What you may have missed was Peters got himself chucked out and Ron Mark took over his line of questioning.
      At least Winston has a sense of humour, Mark is just a nasty rude piece of work.

      • Nige.

        It was planned. He wasn’t even asked to leave until he made the implication that he would….

    • Nige.

      I was thinking today how he has just gotten back to old ways. He sounded as bad as little.

    • willtin

      I wonder if there is a pattern with regards the time of day that Winnie gets himself kicked out? Could there be a connection to suns and yardarms?

      • Nah. He was back for General Debate 15 minutes later.

  • XCIA

    Listening to the ACT mouthpiece blathering on about Kiwi Bank and accusing the government of being gutless. Well I too hope the government find the guts to cut ACT loose so they have no conflict of conscience and are free to cuddle the greens to bring in more refugees.

    • Union Jack

      Have to say I was warming to ACT under Seymour as he was a bit of a breath of fresh air but once he started talking about more refugees that did it for me so sorry David but you won’t be getting my vote.

      • His performance in parliament last (and this week) has been awful. I don’t know what’s going on.

        • No experience, doesn’t know who his constituents are, barking at cars and poorly advised?

          How am I doing?

          • No direction, over confident, a smidge of arrogance.

          • Sally

            I think the media all picking him as politician of the year last year went to his head. He needs to calm down – his little snipes at question time makes him like a school kid.

          • Yeah, he’s enjoying himself too much but losing his effectiveness. We need the gravitas that earned him the title.

      • Carl

        When he come out in support of the red peak flag he lost my support.

        • That seems an odd issue to withdraw support over. You may have a strong opinion, but it doesn’t matter in real life.

          • Carl

            It was a media driven lefty thing to get that flag in the race which I disliked and he fell for it. He can win my support back but he is not doing a great job at the moment.

          • FWIW, if I had to pick a new flag, I would have picked Red Peak, in spite of the way it was entered into the process. It was the only real flag among the choices (in my personal opinion ;)

          • Disinfectant

            Interesting evening.
            Am I alone in thinking a bit of “devils advocate” tonight?

          • Not when it comes to the flag. I think Red Peak was the best design. But I’ve failed to convince people as to why. It has much more to do with heraldry and tradition. It even echoed the Union Jack, and Maori… it was perfect. But ok, I accept I was in a minority.

            And yes, I detested how it was inserted into the process. If only it had a chance by being inserted a the start by the panel.

          • willtin

            Can we not down vote you? ArrggghHhhhhh…….

          • Yes you can. And by all means, you must.

          • LovetoTeach


      • Disinfectant

        I’m really struggling to up vote this comment, as much as I would like to,
        I wonder who David Seymour talks to when he has a problem with an issue that he hasn’t had to consider previously.
        Or is he simply showing that he is not his own man. And if that’s the case, then he is toast.
        So who, if ever, can we expect to see a good right wing candidate to keep the centre right from becoming yet another Socialist concept.
        I’m getting older and I absolutely despair.

  • The colder months are ahead, and some of you may be running low on newspaper to start your fires with. So here’s a FREE week supply of the (ever shrinking) NZ Herald you can request to be delivered to your address. Limit is sub per address, per 12 months. But that should be enough paper to get you through winter.


    • pisces8284 .

      No it’s OK, the Wairarapa Times Age does just fine. Complete with Hubbard cartoons

    • XCIA

      I got told off by Cam for doing that. ;-)

      • I guess we’ll have to see how I survive this transgression then.

      • Isherman

        I just use the local newspaper…the Heralds so awful I’m afraid it might not even burn properly…just limply smolder and produce lots of noxious fumes with no real fire!

        • Imagine how the anger and frustration would keep you warm!

          • Nige.

            Anger and frustration? Sound like my feelings listening to question time and debates today

    • Disinfectant

      But one can no longer have a good open fire or for that matter even a decent log-burner in Christchurch during the winter months.
      Edit: word.

      • Move to Westport. Even during the heat of summer the coal smoke will assault your nostrils as some people need it to cook. :D

        • Disinfectant

          Having open fires or a any other solid fuel burner that isn’t certified is banned by Environment Canterbury. And the council has certified only one log burner which costs a fortune to both install and seek a consent to use.

          • Yeah, well. I remember sitting on the Port Hills looking down on a windless Christchurch during winter, and in general I think the move to make open fires less attractive is a good one.

          • Disinfectant

            And one could sit up there on any day in the summer when a high pressure system was established over the country with an inversion layer present and after two days you wouldn’t be able to see the city centre high rises.
            There were no fires, but plenty of vehicles and industrial discharges.

    • XCIA

      Fires aside, remember that to keep your outside dunny authentic to traditional values, you need a good supply of cut up newspaper…….

      • Last year’s phone book or yellow pages.

        • Chris EM

          Or this year’s.

        • The pages are a much more convenient size these days…but I didn’t even open it before i biffed in the wheelie bin

      • willtin

        And if you wrinkled it up, between your hands for a while, it softened and felt a whole lot better.
        Of course if you were a young man, the antithesis is a possibility, in the privacy of a dunny.

        • XCIA

          I am truly grateful that those days are behind me. (no pun intended) For many years now I have been paperless, preferring the wash, rinse and blow dry heated seats.

      • Huia

        I remember when I was a kid it used to be the Auckland Weekly with its pink pages. They were hard pages, cut into squares and threaded on some wire, you had to do the crinkle thing to try and soften the paper up.

    • Only cat fanciers and those with open fires now buy the Herald

    • LovetoTeach

      Not even for the fire….

  • Tiger

    MMM, turns out Bacon is more green than….greens! (Scientific American) Liking it already.
    Perhaps we need to convince the ICCC that the world needs to eat Bacon! Helen, where are you….?

  • sandalwood789

    Given the lovey-dovey relationship that Key has with Clark and Obama, I’d say it’s a done deal that New Zealand will be taking in more “refugees”.

    If so, it’s a pity that Key has neither the intelligence nor the spine to say “no more”.

    • The scale of it is such that it doesn’t matter. It’s the amount of potential problems that are coming in via uncapped immigration that is far more troublesome.

      • Isherman

        Correct, in terms of Muslims, far more have arrived as immigrants than refugees. Also I think it would be worth keeping an eye on local converts, particularly among disaffected Maori, because there is a small but growing element who see Tino Rangatiratanga as a form of Jihad, and Islam as a vehicle for radical Maori Nationalism.

        • kereru

          There needs to be some monitoring of what the imams are teaching inmates at our prisons, or if recruiting is going on. I believe Christian chaplains are greatly outnumbered by the imams and the prison authorities would like to set a limit on them. Not sure how well that is going down, or whether it is even happening.

          • Isherman

            I’ve been aware of Maori inmates, often gang members being approached by Imams looking for converts since around 2004.

          • Effluent

            Where are the satanists when you need them, the Moonies, or Jehovah’s witnesses, come to that? How come the disaffected only cleave to islam?

        • Duchess of Pork

          Lord Falconer is now warning that UK prisons are becoming “terrorist academies.” I would like to know how many of the 30-40 people on our watch list have been radicalised while in prison.

          • Isherman

            It’s a fair question. Not sure if I’d hold my breath waiting for Kelvin Davis to ask the question though. I would have far more faith that Judith Collins will at least take the issue into consideration and confront it as appropriate.

    • JEL51

      JK didn’t sound like he was too keen on the idea of more fackugees in Mike H’s interview on Monday. I don’t think he will bend over to pressure so easily a second time.

      • [MOD] is that a typo? which way are you going to correct it?

        • JEL51

          Ooops sorry Pete, that should have been fakeugees, now I can’t find it to correct.

  • willtin

    If Auckland CBD thinks it has a problem with slovenly beggars distracting from its beauty; and it dithers around trying to solve all the issues of hundreds of itinerants, through the involvement of a multitude of social services, (all driving around in a
    ‘Company Car’ ), none of which will be prepared to make a finite decision, “because their budget doesn’t extend that far”, need to revisit reinstituting institutions like Kingseat Hospital. With the modern touch. A supervised home for those people with nowhere else to go.

  • Richard

    Quite a symbolic move from Winston today.
    Coming out quite strongly in support of Nationals NZ Post share selloff.
    This only days after blanking Little on his policy lie involving NZ First.

    • EpochNZ

      Methinks he has licked his finger, held it up in the air and accurately divined which direction the political winds are blowing…

    • Dave

      He is a cunning old fox, and is probably playing with little Andy, just because he can, and there is nothing Little Andy can do about it, Winston out maneuvers Andy every time.

      He kind of reminds me of our cat with a rat, he just plays it with it, to whack the poor rat every time moves. I take the rats off the cat and put them out of their misery. if only ……..

    • XCIA

      He should be petitioning government for more research funding into old age memory ailments before his voters forget who he is.

      • JEL51

        Don’t be cruel ;)

    • Jude

      He was a bit annoyed about the bulk funding for the Gold card though!
      Funding by Government to be capped and rest paid for by Councils.
      Winston is a better fit for National but is showing he will be no walkover.

  • Chris EM

    Bruce with pics.
    Hamiton has a few pretty cool statues around, but this first one is a bit different. Anyone know who this is? After reading the plaque, Bruce remarked that it looked nothing like Rob Muldoon.
    Just down the street is another statue, and this is of someone really deserving of respect. Sapper Moore-Jones was a soldier at Gallipoli, an artist and died a hero saving others from the Hamilton Hotel fire of 1922.
    Bruce joined the dogs and I for a wander through the Hamilton Gardens. It’s a nice spot to have i the middle of the city, but you have to know where to go to keep away from the crowds sometimes.
    The Whale decided it looked like stingrays probably lived in the shallows out there, so decided to go swimming this time. Plenty of carp and trout, but no flat fish. The dogs dined on duck poo found amongst the pebbles.
    Orca boy is starting to push his luck now. So delighted with himself after stealing a bone from a gentle-as Beardie.

    • Isherman

      Dude, where’s the pic of Bruce with Beaver and the Shield man?:)

      • Chris EM

        North end, across the road from TreknTravel and Metropolis.

      • Chris EM

        Duh, I’m a dick, that should be south end.

    • Bruce hasn’t been to Hamilton unless he’s been lost looking for the exit at the Botanic Gardens for at least an hour.

      • Chris EM

        Yup, it’s happened to me, too. Maybe not an hour.

        • Bruce has smaller ‘legs’

    • By the way, I know the answer to the statue question. Yes, I’m that tragic. But I’ll leave it hanging for others for a while.

      • Carl

        Hamilton is in a time warp.

        • Isherman

          Clue. Famous painting. He was also a teacher as well as obviously a soldier.

          • That doesn’t line up with what I think it is.

          • Isherman

            My mistake, looking at the wrong pic…doh!

          • The Horror of it all.

        • Again?

    • Chris EM

      Funny, all the pics are out of order now.

      • LabTested

        Once you load pics you can not Edit your comments, otherwise the pic order will change

        • Chris EM

          Haven’t edited though, possibly dodgy Disqus.

  • If you are easily upset about basic humour, then don’t watch this. But I can’t help my inner 9 year old… snigger

    • willtin

      They are on their way Pete, just stay calm.

  • DemocKot

    Oh dear

  • Clearly someone sees the value, but I can’t.

    “Goldie portrait sells for record-breaking $1.175M”


    • willtin

      I went to a Lindauer and Goldie exhibition at the old Auckland Art Gallery, many years ago. On one wall were the Lindauers and on the other were the photographs taken by Goldie’s brain.

      • I think they are nice work. But $1m+?

        • willtin

          How do you value priceless?

          • Exactly the same as worthless. It’s a perceived worth by an individual. And that’s different from the perceived worth by another individual.

            Banksie sat on the street with his stuff and could only sell two for about $60 each in a day.

            People didn’t know he was Banksie, and the perceived value of his work dropped.

            It’s all in the head. And therefore, it’s not actually a shared reality.

          • Platinum Fox

            There was an under-bidder though, so the worth perceived by the buyer is at least almost shared by someone else. It’s not clear from the video clips I’ve seen what the bid increment was, but the Stuff clip (which has been edited) shows another bid of more than $1m.
            Plus of course there’s a buyer’s premium (a fee due to the auction house) to be paid in addition to the hammer price, in this case 15% plus GST on the fee, bringing the total cost to acquire to $1.377m plus change.

    • Isherman

      I love how the article calls it a ‘rare’ painting….of course its flippin rare, he only painted it once…geezus.
      I guess being his last one may have influenced the price?

      • I just doodled something. It’s rare and one of a kind. Nobody will pay me $1m+ for it. Even if I promise it is my last doodle ever.

        • XCIA

          Don’t knock it! Sign and date it put it in a frame and donate it to a worthy cause the next time they are auctioning stuff to get funds. You should see the scribbling’s I have ended up with supporting worthy causes.

        • Goldie

          Hmmm, maybe I should do some doodles… and sign them appropriately

    • Blockhead

      Was at an art auction in Chch a few weeks back. A dude was enraptured to win the auction for a Hotereprint of a Spanish Window. Paid $46,000 for it. Not sure how many prints were made, but there must have been a lot of happy people that night who saw the value of their prints reach ridiculous levels.
      Mind you, SWMBO bought a couple of works, and probably paid too much!

      • Platinum Fox

        My impression from the news report is that that auction had an aspect of being generously supported by Canterbury’s patrons of art in order to provide funds for the Centre of Contemporary Art to re-establish itself after recently re-opening its gallery for the first time since the February 2011 earthquake.

        It was the gallery’s own collection being sold to realise funds to be reinvested in new art works – the prices realised may therefore not represent the prices that would be achieved in a more normal auction situation.
        A quick piece of online research indicated that some of Hotere’s lithographs recently sold were printed in series of 18-22.

  • Salami Warning
  • Dan

    Yeah, but grafitti spray cans move fairly quickly.

  • Chris EM

    You’re right, i watched that for 45 minutes, and it didn’t move.

  • Dave

    Attention Nige. Someone commented about the latest Emersons Brewery mini that converts into a bar. Then I noticed the important part for Nige.

    “The next event for the Mini Bar will be the Arrowtown Pie, Pint & Pinot Festival from April 21-25”

    Perhaps this is the ideal event for a Roving Reporter, one that can be a connoisseur of Pies, pints and after all the consumption of the above, well, test a few of the things being commented on tonight!



    • Nige.

      2 out of 3 ain’t bad. Though I’m sure I could try a pinot. It would be worth it just for the beautiful beautiful Emerson’s.

  • Nige.

    I very luckily was just invited to someone’s house to observe Jupiter through a x65 lens. It was incredible. I could see the 4 moons and the two prominent stripes in the middle of the planet.

    • Tomorrow he’ll tape a picture of something else on the end, and then you can see that!

    • WeaselKiss

      I would love to do that.

    • rangitoto

      Mars is also up and Saturn is just rising. Those two will be more convenient in a month or so unless you wait up till later.

      • Isherman

        May 22, Mars will rise exactly as the sun sets, (having risen earlier each night until this date), and will the closest to Earth than it has been in 11 years, so that should provide a decent view.

    • metalnwood

      Yep, it’s a good time for jupiter. As it gets dark it’s over 30 degrees high in the sky so you can pretty much start looking at it without too much atmospheric disturbance. Even in auckland it’s good on a small scope.

    • Huia

      Don’t know about 4 moons, but a possum on the Coromandel hill saw 2 moons tonight, then was introduced to a sump.
      Sweet dreams furry one.

      • I did that to a couple of hares once, but I came of 2nd best. My bumper still has a hare line crack.

  • Nige can celebrate looking at Jupiter with this heavy metal tribute to iPhone ringtones.


  • XCIA

    Apart from hanging one up in the dunny (especially at work), these WW2 gas masks can be used for peeling onions as these guys are illustrating.

    • Spiker

      Could have done with one of them when I was chopping up a bucket of jalapenos the other day.

  • JustADad

    Cry baby of the week? For goodness sake it’s not hard – barber cuts mens’ hair. You aren’t and don’t even want to be a man, so why complain when they don’t cut your hair. This nonsense needs to be quashed.


    • Lux

      I disagree, who cares if it is a female or male or transgender person, business is business.

      • JustADad

        If you’re a unisex salon then fine; but a barber shop cuts mens hair – that’s the business they’ve decided to be in. I’ve since read on Stuff:

        “The United States student from Connecticut is in their final year of
        university studying queer theory and geography. The Rainbow Youth
        intern is currently working on a senior thesis about queer youth in New
        Zealand and the resources available for transgender Kiwis. They said the experience will go towards the final thesis.”

        Sounds like someone seeking a poor old business to stuff up and make a fuss over – could easily have gone to a unisex salon and no questions asked.

        See – http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78595606/denied-haircut-from-auckland-barber-for-not-being-a-man

        • Lux

          Maybe .. I have long hair down to my waist, and in a fit of madness was going to get it all cut off not long ago. If I had wanted to get short back and sides, why shouldn’t I have the option of going to a barbers shop?

          • JustADad

            Haha – true and you’d probably get it cut for half the price!! I’ve no idea why those who cut hair choose to just be a barber or only be a women’s salon. But I don’t see it as discrimination, rather just a business model. I’ve been to that Barber’s from time to time and they’re a good shop that does what they do and if that’s the niche they want to work in, then their call. No?

          • Lux

            I agree.. If your business model is to reject paying customers go for it.

            Like I said initially, business is business, but if you want to reject people for being transgender, female or male, expect a kickback from someone.

        • Quinton Hogg

          I disagree.
          Was in a barbers in Central Otago last week getting a pruning and there was a woman receiving a prune in one of the chairs.

      • Greg M

        Exactly, I am most definitely old school but I could not care less about someone else’s gender issues, and this is where the problem is. Those who identify as LGBQTI and whatever the latest letter to added to the list is expect those of us who aren’t the same as them to make exceptions or fit in to their way of thought. Why can’t we all just do our own thing thing and get on with ?

  • Elmwood

    What’s with the “Remove John Key from power” petition going around on Facebook. Don’t these idiots understand what it is to live in a democracy? Ever heard of elections? I am disgusted that these tossers call themselves New Zealanders.

    • Isherman

      Well, removing John Key through elections hasn’t exactly worked out that well for the haters so far has it, and it’s not looking good for the next elections either. If he wins another term I fully expect the unhinged fringe to throw the notion of civility right out the window and call for revolutionary overthrow because they will be all out of other ideas.

      • XCIA

        Just the usual demented, deranged and brain dead – nothing to see here!

    • Lux

      The same old hateful people who want to remove anyone and everyone with a differing opinion.

    • Bryan

      came across an interesting verse in Exodus 22. 28
      “Do not Blaspheme God or curse the ruler of your people” a clear divine directive

  • Lux

    I have a sudden hankering for apple crumble .. is it hard to make?

    Does anyone have fool proof, quick, not going to get me arrested, recipe?

    • InnerCityDweller

      Frozen section of the supermarket. Oh, that’s not a recipe? Sorry…

    • KatB

      Sorry, a bit late, your hankering has probably gone, but for next time.
      To make the filling,
      3 apples peeled and cored, (I always use rhubarb instead),
      1/2 cup brown sugar,
      2 teaspoons mixed spice,
      1/2 teaspoon ground cloves,
      1/2 cup orange juice, (or orange juice substitute, can use water).
      Mix in pot and bring to boil. Once boiling, stir in 1 Tablespoon of custard powder that’s been mixed in a little bit of water. Remove from heat and leave to cool. Sometimes when I’m in a hurry, I don’t worry if it hasn’t cooled too much before I use it.
      To make crumble,
      Cream 125gms butter with 1/2 cup sugar.
      Add 1 egg and beat briefly
      Stir in 1 cup of plain flour and 1 cup self raising flour, (I never have self raising flour so I just use 2 cups of plain flour and add 1 teaspoon of baking powder).
      Halve dough and spread/push half dough into base of tin lined with baking paper, pour in filling, then sprinkle/crumble over rest of dough. The dough should be quite crumbly and easy to crumble. Bake at 180 C for about 45mins.
      It’s a lovely recipe, really nice with rhubarb, if you like rhubarb. I also sometimes use gluten free flour instead of regular flour, when making it for my gluten intolerant niece. It is really nice with the gluten free flour. Once you get the hang of it, it’s really easy to make. The dough can be a bit sticky/crumbly to work with but I just stick a bit of flour on my hands to work with it and anyway, it doesn’t have to be perfect in the tin, once it’s all cooked up it’s delicious.

      • Lux

        Thanks very much for the recipe, it sounds delicious..I’m off to get myself some apples.