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  • The software that runs Whaleoil, WordPress, was upgraded this afternoon. Mobile users are getting messages similar to this

    Warning: Cannot modify header information – headers already sent by (output started at /home/wo/wp-config.php:12) in /home/wo/wp-includes/pluggable.php on line 1228

    It is being looked into.

    • MarcWills

      If you change your bookmark/favourite link from just whaleoil.co.nz to http://www.whaleoil.co.nz it fixes the problem (in my test anyway).

    • InnerCityDweller

      I seem to have lost comments on iOS Safari… Connected?

      • Don’t think so. Can you reboot and try again? I really expect it all the have gone away.

        • InnerCityDweller

          done that. will check on Apple’s end. thanks

  • Nechtan

    Born today in 1944 Jack Casady bassist with Jefferson Airplane.

    Born today in 1944 Brian Pendleton founding member and rhythm guitarist with The Pretty Things.

    Born today in 1945 Lowell George singer, songwriter and guitarist with Little Feat.

    Born today in 1954 Jimmy Destri (born James Mollica) songwriter and keyboards with Blondie.

    Today in 1974 “Band On The Run” by Wings went to number 1 on the US album charts.

    Today in 1974 Elton John went to number 1 on the Billboard singles chart with “Bennie and the Jets”

    • willtin

      I wonder if anyone ever got a tattoo done, of the cover of The Pretty Ones?

  • Carl

    They can be annoying but when in flight the Kea is beautiful.(pic)

  • George

    Two major initiatives were announced by the Government during the last few months. The first was the 620,000 square kilometre Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary and the second being the planned development of a new child-centric operating model for CYF.
    What would you consider to be the priority that would unite all Maori tribes and have all the “Sirs” and “Dames” speaking with one voice? A Government initative that will address the killing and assaulting of Maori babies? Major intervention that will give their babies the protection from their feral parents? Foster parents whose motivation is the welfare of the child and not treating the child as a convinient cash cow? The initiatives of early intervention to break the cycle of Maori crime and poverty? Don’t be silly, they have much bigger fish to fry. You know, the fish they don’t catch in the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary. It appears the rest of the world can’t fish there but Maori insist they can, that’s if they can be bothered. Bugger the CYF’s children; there’s no conpensation to be made there. Not yet, but I bet they’re working on it.

    • Maori have a long history (or will have soon) of paddling up to the Kermadecs on the weekends to fish.

      • willtin

        Thank God they haven’t or it wouldn’t be worth saving, eh Bro; they have a right to no limits, said no one.

    • niggly

      And guess what other hypocrisy has been exposed regarding the Kermadec Ocean sanctuary/Maori fishing issue …. not a peep from the Green Party about the sanctuary being more important than (potential) Maori commercial fishing …. not a peep from the Green Party at all.

      The Greens have been silent in the MSM about this issue and there is nothing on their website press releases advocating for the sanctuary or knocking those greedy Maori fishing interests.

      Which yet again just goes to show, that despite their propaganda (especially pitched to young voters), the reality is the Green Party is NOT a true environmental party …

  • Nige.

    biscuit barrel answered last night’s question with:

    “Not made anymore as its all plastic, gone the way of filament bulbs, phones that plug into hallway.”

    What else have we lost due to technology and/or the vast manufacturer that is China?

    • Steve (North Shore)

      Face to face arguments/debate. Now it is the text/email cowboys.
      The hard thing is deciding if the person is bonafide when you can’t see their eyes or body language

    • Nige.

      tell what we HAVE lost. Crap beer like lion red.

      Has anyone else tried this?

      That was a terrible photo.

      • Go home Nige, you’re drunk

        • Nige.
          • Chris EM

            Is not cooked

          • Isherman

            Au contraire, that’s about perfect.

          • Mike Webber

            Overdone for me.

          • cows4me

            Cut it’s horns off and wipe it’s arse.

          • Chris EM

            Poo covered horns…I’d rather eat Nige’s uncooked steak.

          • Nige.

            I redened it for Pete’s benefit

          • MaryLou

            Agreed – not sure why people seem to find it so hard to cook a good steak. If it’s red, it’s not done – that’s still how it came out of the fridge. Once brown all the way through, it’s done!

            Steak 101.

          • rantykiwi

            You’re a heathen. That’s only about 30 seconds more rare than I’d be happy with.

          • Bugger. You don’t fight fair.

          • Michelle

            Just had a steak,onion,egg, tomato sauce sandwich so nice with egg dribbling out the side, yum

          • willtin

            Do you care if you have free-range eggs, or not?

          • Michelle

            Home grown ones only, yes l care that they are free range

            they are fed dog roll and bread soaked with milk daily along with their store bought chook food,as well as wheat and maize and let out every afternoon, l won’t tell you what else they eat while roaming free
            they have beautiful eggs

          • Mark

            Free range seems like a poor use of our alleged scarce resources to me…

          • willtin

            Send a pic of the main course.

      • Curly1952

        Remember Leopard beer made in the Hawke Bay? I don’t think thats made any more, thank goodness

    • Jude

      Cash!
      I never carry any everything is paid by eftpos.
      Also cheque book. Thankfully we receive very few cheques in payment for classes, most are using internet to pay online.

    • Miss McGerkinshaw

      Uninterrupted face to face conversation.
      Before it was only people with small children where that was the norm now everyone seems to think that whoever is texting or phoning is more important than the person sitting opposite, or perhaps even beside, them.

    • Isherman

      Maybey not lost entirely, but I would say that handwriting quality in school age kids has suffered somewhat from what I recall. Nowdays a good portion of written communication is likely to involve a keyboard.

    • kereru

      The art of letter-writing and the use of a wide vocabulary.

    • Greg M

      Holidays. Remember when you used to go away for a few days and there were no phone calls, no emails and no messages ?

      • Platinum Fox

        Yep. It’s not that many years ago that I used to say to my work colleagues that I was off into the Pacific and not to bother trying to contact me as there was no data service where I was heading and that my experience was that the phone didn’t appear to receive calls when it was switched off and locked in the room safe. Said phone used to make an awful racket when turned on after arrival back at Auckland International!
        Sadly, data services arrived in my favourite Pacific bolt-hole about four years ago although that’s not as much of an issue now I’m no longer employed.

        • Greg M

          I hear ya. My mate in Avarua has just had fibre connected. It used to be my second favourite bolt hole up there.

          • Platinum Fox

            I made the mistake of taking a holiday just before the 2014 election and spent far too much on buying Wi-Fi time so I could keep up with WOBH. In more normal periods I find that I can get by on accessing free Wi-Fi in the hotel lobby or through membership of hotel loyalty clubs.
            The new phone still doesn’t squawk when switched off and placed in a room safe though!
            I feel a little sorry for people who cannot switch off. My personal experience is that such loyalty is not always reciprocated by employers.

      • Miss Phit

        Weekends (after 12 on saturday) of no shops open. Forced you to live a little, sports and time with family (meant everyone got at least 1.5 days off a week). Not now – shop all hours, work all hours, etc.

        • Platinum Fox

          I’m old enough to remember when the local dairy in town (NP)had hardboard panels that were fitted over its grocery shelves at noon on Saturday so that customers could no longer see the items it wasn’t allowed to sell over the weekend. Out at the beach (Oakura), the dairy/grocery had two entrances with the grocery department on the left and the dairy on the right.

  • Pluto

    Update on Bruce.
    After spending some quality time in the heart of the Waikato with Chris EM, Bruce has headed west to Raglan.
    He wasted little time getting to the rugged coast and trying a little action in the great surf today.
    Now enjoying the spectacular sunset.

  • Disinfectant

    A report on TV1 this evening that 60% of all rentals are subsidised by the Government.
    Not sure in what context this was.
    However with rising rents due to increased capital values, it has become a major cost increase to the tax payer.
    Yet again we are seeing what the cost of a lack of supply is doing to the property market.
    I am of the view that society does not want to see supply match demand. There are too many vested interests.
    The monster cannot be contained.

    • MaryLou

      This is certainly true in Auckland.

  • Curly1952

    The attacks on JK, from tax to trusts to contact with bloggers, is a classic case of playing the man not the ball.
    The left don’t realise that National, in the main, is a pretty well organised outfit and they are getting on running the country for all New Zealanders whilst the left arei looking for “gotcha” moments instead of offering viable alternatives.
    I believe JK & National are quite happy for the left to continue attacking JK as he appears to handle it with aplomb, is squeaky clean and he knows he can debatee with the best of them

    • Whafe

      Totally agree, it defies belief just how childish the left are…
      Seriously try and stand in a lefties boot and try and make sense of how the left are operating, which has not worked for many many years, yet they continue to play the same game..

      • Left Right Out

        Mr 7% was an absolute joke today…… I really think he feels he has something on JK he stood in parliament looking all serious reading out his important questions…

        Winnie was not much better but at least he had a smile on his face. Mr Greens was like a little school kids asked to do a reading…. didn’t have a clue

        • Nige.

          Jamie McKay have him a good telling off on the farming show at lunchtime. He was very stern.

          Little admitted he was a bit of a loser too which was a bit worrying. I hope he’s not becoming human.

          • Michelle

            next he will be apologizing for being human

        • Hedgehog

          I can’t understand how Whinnie gets such a free run with the media party. He seems to be one of the most conniving deceitful self centered people in politics and the media and a lot of oldies love him to bits.

          • Michelle

            he is a cunning rat and the media party are scared of him

          • Hedgehog

            Shows the caliber of media we have. Keen to put the boot into someone on the ground or unable to protect themselves. But run a mile when they may end up with a few lumps.

          • Michelle

            Yep they follow the path of least resistance

            Totally useless Media party

            they are getting so childish they need to get out more in the real world and grow up

          • benniedawg

            Absolutely on the nail. You can hear the trepidation in their voices as they start an interview. They know they are going to get a good rodgering but are uncertain which question will bring it on. A joy to listen to.

          • Usaywot

            I will never, ever, get over how he managed to wriggle out of the fisheries deal he managed to swing and the free dinners at Kermadec he got in lieu. The staff were not believed when they told the truth. it was disgusting behaviour. Some of us have long memories. Wouldn’t trust him with a bag of flour.

          • MaryLou

            Yes, that was the turning point for me. I grew up seeing him every Saturday in red square in Tauranga – thought he was one of the good ones. That whole fishing thing killed it for me.

      • Steve (North Shore)

        ‘yet they continue to play the same game’
        Long may it continue

    • Jude

      Why in question time,do the left wing feel, that John Key has Prime Minister responsibility, over private law firms activities ? It is so frustrating.
      Clearly the Opposition do not know the rules of the House.
      They also show a startling ignorance of Tax laws and Trusts which must give a few voters, concern for their ability to govern.
      Given New Zealand is full of small to medium business owners,as well as numerous people having family Trusts, the Labour voting base must be shrinking at an alarming rate.

      • Curly1952

        I watch Question Time on line in the evenings and usually only watch the questions with the usual suspects in the lineup Key, English, Collins, Joyce, Finlayson Brownlee, Peters, Angry, Shaw his offsider. It is usually a comedy session as the left get rinsed every time,

        • cows4me

          I don’t know why you bother, I’ve given up watching .

          • Curly1952

            That’s why I watch it in delay so I am in control of what I see and hear.

        • Aucky

          I enjoy King v Coleman – they are classics with Jonathan largely holding the upper hand. Metiria v Findlayson certainly has its moments and the new contenders Nash v Collins is brilliant with Judith making some superb one-liners.

    • Hedgehog

      I agree Curly. But it still upsets me when the left and the media party are going all out on JK without much in the way of fact and use innuendo too dirty the waters.
      To be honest it’s just not fair. It’s not way way I’d expect a Kiwi to act. It is important to me that the people i deal with know I am an up front guy, that won’t lie or cheat them. The opposition and the Media Party are not that sort of Kiwi.

      • Left Right Out

        Larry Williams was pretty brutal on his assessment of the media and Mr 7% today….. was refreshing to hear him let rip on the media for chasing a bus

        • Hedgehog

          Missed it unfortunately. Even timid Tim on ZB was all over the media and the headline misinformation. Actually enjoyed the morning talk back for a change.

          • Huia

            I’ve gone back to listening to Magic, much easier on the blood pressure. The world seems to be full of intolerant fruit loops.

        • Hedgehog

          What really got in my craw, was Kerry’s offsider in the afternoon, spouting on that it was all JKs fault. Switched off at that point.

          • Left Right Out

            Hey is a shocker.. I thought she was a cure for insomnia….. but he is another level….. talk about trying to jump on the popular bus going on about “perception”

          • Carl

            So after noon talk back is officially dead. From what you guys say ZB is a no go and Radio live with Willie but mainly Ali is just a lecture of what we should be doing. RIP afternoon talk back it was nice knowing you.

          • Aucky

            I emailed McIvor this afternoon and told her that I had been listening to her dulcet tones for years when I was in an easy listening mode but that I had put her on total boycott until she dispenses with the lefty clown that she is currently in tandem with.

          • Hedgehog

            Good on ya. I loathed Danny, so no real change for me. But I thought Kerry was pretty much down the middle, So I didn’t mind her. But, yes the lefty she is paired with now grates, and his taste in music is abysmal.

          • I thought Danny was bad, this new guy is worse than the Kepler kid, listen to 93.8 in the afternoon now.

    • Chris EM

      The average NZ voter can see through the childish games the socialist side are playing, and that reflects in the polls. I agree, I think National are quite happy for the lefties to carry on this way. They’ll be laughing themselves to the next poll.

      • Huia

        Not when you visit Andrew Littles facebook page. The idiots are out in full force accusing “Key’s” of being in money laundering schemes, helping his rich prick mates, apparently NZ is in dire straits and only Little Andy has the ability to put it to rights.
        Cant believe people are that stupid or naïve.

        • OT Richter

          The good part in all this is that the Left get seriously unhinged. The anger from some quarters is palpable, and the icing on the cake (or the salt in the wound) is when the polls then show a gain to National.

          • Huia

            That’s true but on FB they think the poll was rigged by National.
            They are like a bunch of spitting cobra’s, full of venom and writhing around in hatred.

    • pisces8284 .

      I agree Curly, it just means that the news in general has become really boring and predictable. If you follow the news during the day you can pretty much tell what the evening news is going to be like. The mute button is wearing out quite quickly

  • shykiwibloke

    Very interesting book summary here that gave me an insight into why the media tolerate errors, where their dodgiest stories come from and why they continue down the path to self destruction. Very good. http://youtu.be/VFxwqwhG-ZA

    • That was the Whaleoil Bible for Dirty Politics v1.0.

      It was in fact required reading when I joined.

      Of course, we’ve had to transcend that now. A strategy that’s known is no longer of much use.

    • shykiwibloke

      Pete – just because a strategy is known, does not necessarily invalidate it. For example – No. two Avis’ strategy and slogan “we try harder” took the fight to Hertz. They knew but were out-manoeuvred.

  • willtin

    Yet another aggressive breed dog attack today in Christchurch, meanwhile TV interviews a visiting UK ‘animal expert’ and his opinion is that dogs aren’t dangerous, it’s a matter of educating dog owners. Go home ‘expert’, It ain’t going to happen here!
    We know the owners are incapable of being educated regarding their choice of, and style of training, any dog breed. Our only option is to ban the aggressive breeds.

    • Michelle

      Bet most of them are not registered either

      • willtin

        Registering a dog isn’t ever going to prevent a dog attacking a human, just like teacher registration.

        • Michelle

          No, l was meaning if they can’t register their dog then they have no intention of training them either

          • willtin

            But they do train them, in a sad manner, to be aggressive.

          • Michelle

            yes it is the persons nature not that l like some of those breeds they are born nasty and trained up to be nastier
            it is often the same people who are poor parents as well, just saying

          • Wheninrome

            Its all about being macho and the oldie but goodie penis extension for most of them

          • willtin

            Yep. Can’t afford an extremely loud car or motorcycle – get a dangerous doggy.

          • Old Kiwi

            Do you think they train them or are the dogs just good imitators of their owners behaviour?

          • johcar

            Or their owners’ behaviour, if they thought they could get away with it….

    • Wasapilot

      IIRC they were suggesting that the tax payer fund training for dog owners! Bugger off. Some ferals can’t look after their children, and I am not willing to pay for them to have doogie lessons.

      • willtin

        Nek minit, subsidised dog food.

        • johcar

          .. dogs living in poverty….

    • Usaywot

      He’s English and we all know how nutty the english are about dogs. They like dogs far more than their fellow man.

    • Hedgehog

      I think the Councils need to grow a set and protect their ratepayers rather than pander to the dog lovers or SAFE members. Most of the attacks are from non-registered dogs. Increase patrols and euthanize any unlicensed dogs, period, no exceptions. Not registered = dead!

      • willtin

        And if registered, but wandering and very worrying? There needs to be a comprehensive regulation.

    • Duchess of Pork

      Naturally government funding for said education was also mentioned.

    • Gravedodger

      Charge the owner of the dog for possession of an offensive weapon, plus assault with a deadly weapon, even careless use causing grievous bodily harm, and let three strike perform as intended.
      If that makes no difference maybe legislate for specific charges of intent to cause GBH.

  • I need some help (ba dum tishhhh)

    People who were getting these error messages for the last few hours:

    Warning: Cannot modify header information – headers already sent by (output started at /home/wo/wp-config.php:12) in /home/wo/wp-includes/pluggable.php on line 1228

    Are they still coming up for you?

    • Asian_driver

      I got that at work today 2pm , IE something, went away didnt come back

    • Korau

      Yes, in the last 5 minutes

      • Now? Critical… now?

        • Usaywot

          Right now but when I typed the whole address in – no trouble

          • There may be a cached copy with old code. I’ll leave it for 24 hours. Thanks all.

    • Isherman

      I did a windows update on the desktop this arvo, and also got the message. Refreshed page…back to enjoying WO.
      Interestingly I only got it when I typed WH…and hit enter when the WO address was displayed, but not when the the whole name (using chrome browser) was typed in. Not sure if that’s of any interest or value whatsoever but now you’ve got it, its yours for free:)

    • Left Right Out

      I got no error message but when I tried to post on the tip line everything froze…. was just WO that froze… nothing would work… probably around 2pm or slightly later

      • I’ve fixed that since. Tipline is all-a-go-go again.

        • Left Right Out

          I’m not sure it was all that great… will just post it here as my knowledge of trusts etc is virtually nil

    • Disinfectant

      Just gave it a whirl and no problem.

    • Woody

      Haven’t had any issues. Using Chrome.

    • Usaywot

      Yes

    • stephen2d

      They were coming to me, but once I add www. then it works.

      Edit: both on edge and chrome. On mobile no issues.

      • sounds like a caching issue now

        I’ll go clear it.

    • I think I got the problem sorted. If anyone still has the problem tomorrow morning, please drop me a note.

    • Oh Please

      Sometimes means a blank line at the first line in the php script – which writes output to the screen, then prevents other things from occurring ie cookie writing.

  • earthyundertones

    I have a genuine question regarding Andrew Little. The register of pecuniary interests showed that he has no investments (save Kiwi Saver). Nada. I really struggle to see how a person can get to 50, earning just shy of $200K for at least the past 5 years and not seen fit to put some aside for a rainy day. It may well be that he supports every charity going and that would be fine… but to see so little hope in investing in your future is a bit disheartening in a potential leader. How could a leader not even spot one investment they thought would be worth supporting?

    • Wheninrome

      He could be making increased investments in kiwisaver. Has he gone for a conservative or aggressive investment in kiwisaver. Does he know where all his kiwisaver investment is invested, shock horror if they have invested in an offshore “haven” for tax purposes and to maximise returns.
      Gosh this could be fun.

      • Usaywot

        Or…he could have his money in a hidden overseas trust. Just saying.

      • Woody

        Perhaps he really is as financially naive as he seems.

        • willtin

          I can imagine the theoretical leader of the Greens and Andy, standing over their money printing press, pumping out the future of a Kiwi currency.
          “Print More, make us richer”

      • Michelle

        well he wouldn’t be the first on the left

        • earthyundertones

          Actually he is one of the few. Many on the left list several investments, even the newbies.

      • earthyundertones

        Yes, he very well could. But again, the idea of all in Kiwisaver just doesn’t seem very prudent at all.

      • Second time around

        Even the conservative ones invest in bonds, where they get interest rates higher than the OCR. Most kiwisaver balanced funds have large numbers of shares in bad things, like Meridian, Genesis, Mighty River Power, Trustpower, Vector, Infratil, and the Australian banks. Andy is planning to retire on assets that he should know are immoral (by his standards).

    • Carl

      Does he not even own a house?

      • Sally

        He owns a house in Island Bay with a mortgage. So hasn’t even manage to clear that yet.

        • Isherman

          Maybey he went all in on Big Pharma Shares prior to engaging in secret Big Pharma meetings then eh?

      • Second time around

        It’s mortgaged. He doesn’t read Mary Holm’s column.

    • Huia

      Dosent bode well if he ever gets hold of the Prime Ministerial reins.

  • stephen2d

    Shewan slapped Campbell on Checkpoint almost as much as Key did over GCSB. The tears of disappointment on his part, despite trying real hard to make him say what he categorically said was “no”. What a creep.

    • Usaywot

      I was very impressed by Shewan. Campbell tried so desperately to get him to admit to things he clearly hadn’t done. Campbell’s a loser, Shewan is a man of integrity.

      • Doc45

        I hope that Shewan takes advantage of the rule that allows a citizen to have a statement of correction added into the Parliamentary record. Little and Peters made total dicks of themselves showing crass ignorance and an abuse of the parliamentary privilege.

    • Second time around

      Campbell settles down in the interview after a false start, but Shewan is very upset about the lies Little propagated about him in Parliament.

  • Left Right Out

    I enjoy watching Doco’s and today I came across a Panorama episode that was all about HSBC and trusts…… It was posted on youtube in Feb 2015

    It seems very similar to the panpaps but goes by a different name but the same journo people seem to be involved.

    As my knowledge of all the tax haven dodging stuff is very limited….. is this doco about the same things?

    • Mags

      Interesting doco thank you LRO. HSBC’s clients wern’t just Trusts but individuals too. The british revenue were being pragmatic. They had the leaked information so knew who to go after. They got the tax revenue back using the softly softly approach. If they had prosecuted they may not have got as much tax revenue back and it would have cost a hell of a lot to investigate and present a case in court of a standard to prosecution level. As only one person was prosecuted these high wealth individuals seemed unwilling to have their cases dragged through the court publicly and gave up quickly and quietly and paid their tax to avoid a fuss. “The revenue” had probably sent them a please explain letter.
      There was a “planet money” podcast on how easy it was to set up a bank account in a tax haven country, with one of the reporters going through the process.

  • XCIA

    I read that Celia is all go in Wellington to make life more comfortable for the city’s beggars. I hope she succeeds beyond her wildest dreams and turns the capital into a beggars paradise that will attract all the beggars far and wide, especially from Auckland, whose council should gladly contribute to the beggars train fare to the capital I hope she is so successful that she can start competing for the prestigious title of Beggar Capital of the World. Its no more than she deserves.

    • Isherman

      Some of the ideas were just mind numbing, like the suggestion of licensing of beggars…I mean, are these people for real???

      • XCIA

        That’s a really good initiative that could end up employing a heap of beggars on the “living wage” to ensure all their brother beggars were being properly looked after.

        • MaryLou

          But what happens when some beggars earn more than others? Is it a race to the bottom?

          • Isherman

            Good point, they will need their own Union…and probably a couple of Trusts. Greg can possibly help them out there.

          • XCIA

            Not at all! That (to me) would show they are using their street smarts and are on the way up the ladder to cut Celia’s lunch and give more benefits to the fraternity.

    • willtin

      Is that Celia Merkel?

    • Jude

      NO NO!!
      Why do we end up with a greenie for Mayor!?
      Local body elections have an appalling turnout, but hopefully enough people are fed up with the Council and will vote in October.

      • MaryLou

        You can have Len, if you want? Or Goff?

        No?

    • Left Right Out
      • D.Dave

        They do, it is called social welfare!!

    • Union Jack

      The best quote from the debate about outlawing beggars in Wellington today would have to go to this councillor though:

      “Councillor Jo Coughlan said abandoned parking meters should be transformed into “kindness meters” for people to put money into.

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11621947

      • XCIA

        That and turning unused post boxes into gift collection boxes.

        • Union Jack

          One they missed though,how about plant fruit trees on every available piece of council land so we can all regress to a hunter gatherer society and satisfy all those primitive instincts.

        • FornaK

          I’d leave a gift for them. It would be steaming and come from my rear end.
          I doubt anyone would contribute to these kindness meters, after they have implemented their minimum wage rates voluntarily, or whatever they are called.

  • sandalwood789

    More left-wing nonsense from Key’s government –

    “Paula Bennett to head to New York to sign historic climate agreement” –
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11621836

    Quote – “Climate Change Minister Paula Bennett will head to New York next week to sign New Zealand up to a historic climate agreement.

    Mrs Bennett said the signing ceremony at the United Nations on April 22, which 130 countries will participate in, was another step towards ratifying the Paris Agreement.

    There is no deadline for the ratification, which covers emissions obligations after 2020 and commits all countries to limiting global temperature rise to 1.5C this century.

    Once the agreement is ratified, Mrs Bennett said, the more difficult task of moving New Zealand to a low-emissions economy would begin.”

    Never mind that man-made climate change is nonsense and that global temperatures have not risen in 18 years. The UN still pulls the strings and Key and co go along with the farce.

    • cows4me

      I don’t know why the left gets so upset with John Key and National, what’s changed since the last regime.

      • Nige.

        Every election they win I think “great! NOW they can afford to undo some of the stuff labour have done!”

        but it never comes to much…

        • MaryLou

          No. And if 3 terms aren’t enough to make a start, nothing is. People are hoping to see something that’s never going to happen I fear.

          • Nige.

            And we are in the minority though it seems.

          • MaryLou

            It does. And I find myself feeling a bit surprised by that, particularly here of all places, as per discussion above. National now, is what Labour was right up until Helen got the shove. We didn’t like that, so why are we accepting it now? Because… Blue???

          • Union Jack

            Unfortunately in my case I feel I have no choice but to accept it as their is no viable alternative unless someone can point one out.
            As far as my eye goes there is no real right wing party in NZ anymore just varying shades of red as we discussed above with our most right wing party adopting hard left polices.

          • MaryLou

            Maybe it’s simply because we’re too quiet, in the guise of “manners”. When the Left wants something, they scream and get a referendum changed. When Maori want to make a claim on water rights, instead of saying “sod off”, they say “lets talk”.

            Really we have reached a point in society of he who shrieks loudest, wins.

        • Wasapilot

          If only arrogance seemingly had not caused the defeat in Northland, we might had had at least much needed RMA reform. Can’t see National getting rid of interest free student loans, WFF etc.

      • Mike Webber

        Nothing, not one policy. Just ever increasing taxes and ever more laws.

  • Effluent

    I have just come across an arts event to put on my must-see list for my next visit to London – the Jeremy Corbyn / Dianne Abbot musical. I can’t wait.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/theatre/what-to-see/corbyn-the-musical–first-look-review-the-bearded-one-is-the-new/

    If it’s half as funny as The Book of Mormon, which I saw at Christmas, I will reckon the ticket price was money well spent.

    Now, where are the budding musical comedy writers out there ready to do a similar production on the current shenanigans in the NZ labour party? there’s no shortage of promising material for a suitably talented librettist to work with.

    edit- added content

  • Curly1952

    A little humour:

    The woman applying for a job in a lemon orchard in Te Puna seemed to be far too qualified for the job; given her arts and education degrees from Waikato University and her job as a social worker and a teacher at the local Polytech.

    The foreman frowned and said, “I have to ask you this:

    “Have you had any actual experience in picking lemons?”

    “Well, as a matter of fact, I have!”

    “I’ve been divorced three times, owned a Holden station wagon, a Leyland P76,
    supported the Blues for the last 4 years, voted for David Cunliffe and bought shares in Dick Smith.”

  • Isherman

    Unbelievable, German comedian could be jailed for insulting Great Sultan Erdogan…in Germany.
    Could the last sane person exiting Germany please flick the lights out on the way out.
    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/A-German-comics-joke-insulted-Erdogan-and-he-may-go-to-jail-for-it-in-Germany-451050

    • Disinfectant

      Tell Erdogan to take a hike and put up a new wall to keep those coming in through Turkey out.

      • Isherman

        The only thing Erdogan needs to be told is that he has been relieved of his duties.

  • MaryLou

    Leighton went all out on the topic this morning, even got himself a bit tongue-tied in his disgust of the roadshow. Never heard that before. Was going off about “some media” – including, really, his employer. Couldn’t blame him, but wondered if retirement was likely to be hastened.

  • Dave

    As we Aussies say, time for another prawn on the

    • Nige.

      I thought steph had red hair.

  • Aucky

    Whilst Little launched into another attempted character assassination on the PM today by way of baseless innuendo and personal insults JK and Bill English calmly corralled thousands of small business owners with a taxation reform package that allows them to go PAYE and does away with provisional tax.

    That Andrew is how it is done and the missing million now becomes the missing million and a few thousand more. And so it will continue until your colleagues have had enough and turn you into dog tucker.

    • shykiwibloke

      The missing million that should be concerning Angry is that which should be in his investment statements tabled in Parliament. On a good salary with perks he should have something to show for it all by now!

    • niggly

      Well said, although to be honest …. I don’t even think “Angry Andy” labelled dog tucker tins will be very popular sellers either!

    • niggly

      Wouldn’t it funny if Robbo convinced Mr Angry to hold up a couple of dog food tins in Parliament to make some sort of point!

      Robbo may as well as Mr Angry wouldn’t even “get it”!

      • MaryLou

        He could make growling noises to emphasize the point!

        • niggly

          Then afterwards he could nip outside and bark at passing cars and chase them!

          • MaryLou

            :) I read the first 3 words and thought you were going to say something about peeing on trees!

          • niggly

            Maybe he does that at night when no one is looking to mark his territory!

          • Huia

            I personally wish someone would put a muzzle and a shock collar on him. He needs a visit to the vet for distemper as well.

    • Greg M

      It’s going to make a massive difference to cashflow and a guaranteed return every year. Fantastic news for a small 3 person business.

  • Nige.

    I can’t decide what way to vote.

    National or act or…other?

    Can I have some reasons for or against please?

    • Union Jack

      Against ACT because they want to bring in more refugees.

      • Wasapilot

        18 months or so out from the next election, ACT are not showing well in the polls. I think they will only be in parliament with a single MP from Epsom after the 2017 election. Plus as Union Jack says above, they want more refugees, Seymour showed impaired judgement backing red peak flag thingy to be added to the first referendum.

        • MaryLou

          Oh, the flag. It’s just a flag! He’s allowed to like it, even if it was hideous. Surely not a reason to forget all his other good stuff – like charter schools?

          The refugee thing… yeah. But he’s hardly alone on that policy. Who except Winston doesn’t want to increase it?

          • Wasapilot

            I would wager one of my most valued posessions, my WO tee shirt, that ACT will have one MP after 2017 MaryLou. It was his support to get the flag onto the referendum that irked me, not the matter of which flag he liked.

            Agree completely with Charter schools that ACT got through. I would love ACT to have several MP’s, Just can’t see them with more than one MP.

            Not keeping the best of company in the picture below ?

          • MaryLou

            LOL, no. And unfortunately I think you are right. Which means, in effect, that we are stuck with Labour lite next round too.

          • Wasapilot

            Labour lite is a very accurate summation of the Nats these days I agree. The idea of a labour/greens/NZF coalition government terrorfies me, so as unattractive as a light blue government is, tne alternative is incomprensible re the damage they would do. A Nat government with a safe majority allowing some progressive changes such as RMA is tne best we can hope for.

          • XCIA

            I have gone off Seymour. For me, he has failed the attitude test this year by continually blagging the PM for no good reason other than to get a mention in the MSM.

          • localnews

            No matter what he does, that picture will always haunt him. You would think someone would have suggested to him it was a bad idea. Even Colin’s advisors had him in a field by himself

          • KGB

            I am with you. What has ACT done since 2014?
            Support Red Peak, support more paid parental leave, support more refugees.
            Sure Charter Schools were great but how long do we let them ride on that? We criticise WP for riding on his gold card fame.
            The mother in me likes him, but unless they move dramatically in the polls soon, I will not waste my National vote.

      • Doc45

        While I respect your views and concur that the refugee issue is of utmost importance it seems that making a call on that one matter is not a very strategic approach. Its the overall balance of parliament that is the major matter.

        • Union Jack

          Overall you are totally correct and I was voting for ACT as of about 2 or 3 months ago but as soon as this refugee thing came up I really had to think about what the hell they thought they were up too.
          I mean a hard right party advocating more refugees, does Seymour have no idea of his constituents beliefs or does he just not care?.

          • Lux

            He really annoys me for some reason.

        • Sailor Sam

          But National is aso intersted in icreasing the muslim refugee quota, isn’t it?

      • Nige.

        Who doesn’t? I don’t actually believe them though

        • Union Jack

          Absolutely correct Nige because no party has the spine to go against the politically correct position because you are then a racist and a bigot and will be publicly hounded by the media and every pressure group in town till you change your policy and tow the line.

        • Huia

          I don’t know about that Nige, there are some people who think we need to take in more of the “refugee” “illegal immigrants and trained ISIS fighters”.
          Those are the people who have their heads buried, don’t follow what is happening in Europe and don’t read their history. (and probably vote labour.)

    • MaryLou

      Has to be ACT. We will have National again, because they’ve totally sucked up the middle-left. Dunne is crap and unreliable, Winston – yeah, nah… Maori Party – diminishing returns, and they need someone to remind them not to forget the really quite considerable bunch of people on the centre right. I don’t like all of ACT’s policies, in fact it is incomprehensible how such a group come up with some things like their refugee policy. But on balance, they’re the best chance of getting stuff done in a stable manner.

    • STAG

      National, and don’t mess about.

    • Platinum Fox

      It has to be a strategic decision made close to election day.
      I used to be in Auckland Central, where an electorate vote for the ACT candidate was (to be fair) pointless, so that decision was fairly simple and not very time dependent: vote for whoever the Nats put up in order to ensure that Judith T and more recently Cindy didn’t win an electorate seat. Party vote was more nuanced and was often ACT, but for the Nats if the more reputable polls indicated that the result was likely to be close.
      Now I’m in Epsom and the electorate vote is similarly fairly simple, despite Mr Seymour’s recent efforts in chasing headlines based on a point of difference. If in 2017 there appears to be a chance of ACT winning a list seat then it may receive my party vote, otherwise it will be for the Nats.
      I’m mindful that JAG stated before the last election that strategic voting was undemocratic – I have news for her: it isn’t, it is the essence of MMP (which I didn’t vote for but am intelligent enough to have figured out) and it is how people like me ensure that muppets like her don’t get anywhere near the Treasury benches.

    • Aucky

      Two ticks for National. Sam Lotu-Iiga is my electorate MP and not to vote for him is a no-brainer. As for the party vote well that goes to the Nats as well. They maybe just a tad further left than where I like but that’s where the missing million is that keeps the Nats in power so I’ll wear a bit of socialism for the cause.

    • Old Chook

      Two ticks National – and as we have just moved I don’t know who the National candidate is for the electorate we are now in or even if it is a blue or a red seat! Would have liked to give ACT the party vote but the refugee stance put paid to that.

    • Lux

      Two ticks National for moi, they are not perfect but they are the best by way out far, the rest are a bunch of shonky motlies..

      • Isherman

        The best you get in politics is the least worst option.

    • Sally

      Stop worrying about there is at least another year to go. By then Hager would have come out with another book to try and influence your vote. When that happens whatever political party he tries to malign, vote for them.

      • Catriona

        Funny that you should mention the “H” word. I saw him in a shopping arcade last year after his book came out and there was a woman positively drooling all over him. I just wanted to go up and punch his nose in right there and then. Pffftt!

    • rantykiwi

      As others have said, it’s too soon to make a decision. The poll results closer to the election should indicate what strategic voting will do the most good – whether a vote for ACT is wasted or a total game changer.

    • Moonroof

      ACT. Fine detail around immigration and refugee quota I am at odds with, however charter schools are brilliant, and while National are effective at holding the centre ground, I don’t agree with progressive taxes and keeping WFF as is. Since there aren’t a lot of options for libertarians, not seeing a better coalition option than ACT. Flat taxes and equality of opportunity, with personal responsibility.

    • Dave

      I think you should support Robertson Nige, he has a bit in common with you. Pies!

    • XCIA

      In your spare time, you could always build a Electronic Random Number Indicator Equipment machine, give all the candidates a number and press the button. No fuss, no bother, selection made, job done ;-)

  • rantykiwi

    I see the queue for the trough has begun.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11621593

    I guess he can’t be worse than Loony Len…..

  • XCIA

    Practicing their cat burglar skills?

  • D.Dave

    Just got back from a walk to look for a stag, this evening. No luck, but what a night for a wander. It was one of those nights when you could hear someone working stock 5km away. The paddock stags were roaring, magpies chortling in the trees, hares chasing each other through the tussocks. Half moon dead clear, on the rise and a gentle breeze just skimming your cheeks. Anyone who says this isn’t Godzone is a liar.My god, I love this country.

    • MaryLou

      Sounds perfect. Somewhat different in suburban Auckland. The neighbours are drinking, the dogs are barking, the hoons are skidding, the teens are blaring… but we got a decent moon, when seen through clouds.

      Wanna swap?

      • D.Dave

        Not in a million years. You couldn’t pay me enough to give up my evening hunts.

        • Huia

          I was “spring cleaning” our bedroom today, going through wardrobes etc, the song from the Bellbirds right outside the window was almost deafening. I ended up just standing by the window watching and listening.
          Just gorgeous.
          Like you D.Dave, I just love this country, the sheer beauty of it can move me to tears.

    • Tom

      I know the feeling . I love to walk my two Labs around this time of night, its great watching them react to every sound and smell, I live in the countryside too and on a crystal clear night like this its amazing. Not much light pollution around me either.

      • Cadwallader

        Yes. You’ve nailed it! Do you think that since this present government has been at the helm that New Zealanders are generally more expressive of pride in, and love for this country? I suspect we are. I think we are proud of our government and its leadership. I ask the moderators to place these thoughts in an open thread at some time. For the record I am with D.Dave as to his thoughts.

  • Lux

    Do you think your personality has changed much from when you were a bit younger.

    Have you got harder or sweeter, or maybe a loonier or maybe just stayed much the same and grown up and got older and wiser?

    • Hedgehog

      Definitely harder and more cynical. But on the opposite side more tolerant and less judgemental.

    • MaryLou

      Yes. I was the ultimate doormat, looking back I am horrified by the things I did and didn’t do, all because I never wanted to hurt or offend anyone. Even when people were quite blatantly doing me over I was embarrassed to mention it. Never, never again. I don’t know where such conditioning, or attitudes come from – certainly not my homelife. Just born with it, somehow…

    • Greg M

      When one watches the “grumpy old men” show on the telly and agrees with everything I reckon one is just getting wiser. :-)

    • Catriona

      Stayed pretty much the same I think. And much wiser now that I ever was.

    • Huia

      Older, wiser, will never grow up completely, have got a lot less tolerant of fools, I have always spoken up and said what I think but I’ve noticed I’ve got a bit on acid on the tongue every now and again these days.
      A bit more philosophical, have always enjoyed what is around me but really soak it up now, don’t believe in having to fill every moment with work anymore.
      Life is very short and we should enjoy it more.
      Personality is much the same I guess.

    • Lux

      I think I’m much the same, but can stand up for myself more and cannot stand bullying and will try and stop something I think is wrong, while letting other stuff go, that I think they need to own..

      But yes much the same loopy loop I ever was..

      And yes I was so naive ..

    • Moonroof

      Nothing to prove, I is what I is. A younger copy would have disagreed and argued like hell about it. Possibly better socialised, or just better at avoiding the awkward. TBC. Learning never stops, every day reminds me of how much I don’t know.

  • Wasapilot

    Chanel flicking and came across a doco on hoarders on 2. OMG, this is tragic! Very sad.

    • Lux

      It would not work for me, I need space..

      • Wasapilot

        And just think of the fire risk.

  • Lux

    Has anyone been following the 60 minutes crew that has been thrown in the slammer in Lebanon?

    I cannot believe how stupid they have been?

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/60-minutes-crew-set-to-learn-their-fate-in-lebanon/news-story/a7a0a48949b4f801ad62ae8f92d0ccbb

    • Isherman

      Yes I have. The mother of the kids might get lucky and have the charges downgraded, but be under no illusion that Tara and her crew, and particularly the CARI people are in real trouble, and while everyone seems hopeful that Nine Network groveling and begging might get them out of it, that’s by no means certain. I won’t be surprised if at least a few of them will be enjoying the Lebanons ‘hospitality’ for a while yet. As you say, this was a monumentally stupid thing to do in Beirut…at the best of times, but particularly while it’s as edgy as it is at the moment. They were lucky the snatch didn’t result in people being killed to be perfectly honest.

    • Doug

      I guess they found out the hard way about breaking laws… Whether you agree with the law or not it pays to follow them, especially in a completely foreign country

      • Lux

        Fairfax Media reported Ms Faulkner and Mr Chapman sent a dozen messages to one another during the panicked moments when the original plan to recover her two children went wrong.

        The messages appear to show the Nine Network had an opportunity to escape via ferry to Cyprus but rejected that as an option.

        In one text, Ms Faulkner asks Mr Chapman: “Is there any way your team could do the recovery and get the money later. I know 60 will pay up if it means I don’t do the rest of the story and I get out.”

        Mr Chapman responded: “Sorry Sally, not getting far with them” and “60 refusing to pay for the boat. They’re relying on (Foreign Minister Julie) Bishop to get them out.”

        The crew seem to have been blinded by their own feeling of self importance. I wonder where the editorial control is here. And what about journalistic neutrality and putting balance into the story?

        The question the ethics of even of standing in wait to film a kidnapping. You don’t have to pay for it to be complicit.

        So who filmed the released video? it cannot be 60 minutes they are all in the slammer..

        • Doug

          Although, don’t you just love the faux outrage coming from the Lebanon side?

          • Lux

            I agree.. It’s all a load of rubbish ..

    • Wasapilot

      Heard a comment on the radio against the outrage over the Lebanese police actions. What if a Lebanese person came to NZ and tried the same thing, we would be horrorfied.

      MSM have reaped what they have sown with this.

      I feel sorry for the mother of the children, but she should not have got the media involved.

      • Isherman

        Part of the issue is exactly how involved were 60 Minutes. They have said they weren’t involved in the transfer of money, but its yet to be determined if they had any organisational role at all. If they did, it’s not going to help them.

        • Lux

          When I was in the third form at school I was best friends with a Lebanese girl, we just clicked. Her parents were really strict, but she was allowed to visit my home a couple of times, I was never allowed inside hers..

          She had so many dreams, she wanted to be horse jockey, and told me, she was going to tell her parents .. they had other plans.

          I never saw her again..
          I have always wondered what happened to her.

          • hookerphil

            Married to her cousin?

          • Lux

            or a goat.. it was quite weird she gave me a photo of her and her two brothers just before she went missing..

            I have been thinking about her all day.

      • Lux

        It’s all really shonky, from the husband running off with children from the beginning ..

        • Frank N Further

          Have you ever been involved in a child custody battle? Sometimes a fathers blood ties mean that he may do things that to others may seem irrational (shonkey in you words). Especially if the father felt that the law had let him down; perhaps he felt that he had no other choice.

          • Lux

            I’m not disputing some child custody battles must be terrible. But there is .. A But.. this father started the battle and is now saying he was dismayed by the situation, he is not playing fair.. and everyone knows who reigns as the hero in Lebanon, it is the man..

            Women are treated like crappola. The mother has no chance now of getting her children back.

          • Frank N Further

            Care to elaborate on what went on before the father took his children to Lebanon. Are you privy to what led to the mother and fathers relationship breakdown, what discussions / counseling / legal judgments had been made? Can you demonstrate that the father started the battle, or was his absconding with his kids just another step in an on ongoing battle. Regardless of this discussion, this is a really sad case. That’s sad for the kids, and the parents. I don’t give a toss for the TV crew.

          • Lux

            Google the background story if you wish, I have not been there in person, as you well know.

          • Lux

            To be honest… I care nothing about the TV Crew..

            They stuffed up really badly, like most of them have been for a long time. They are making up stories, or not reporting real ones. I’m not trying to rark you up at all, I feel for the children and parents.. but also think there has been a manufactured story here, which is the bigger issue with the lying media these days.

            60 Minutes are Faking and Paying for News stories.. Who would have thought it?

          • hookerphil

            Not a “battle” but I knew of one fairly young, naive, girl who had a baby in Australia to an Australian father. After the split up was not allowed to leave the area without his permission and could not return home to New Zealand. Was fairly tough for her without family support. I believe that after a while was permitted to return for a holiday, only.

      • Lux

        Do not get involved with men from the middle east, and if you have babies with them, do not allow them to go on overseas holidays. Tough words, but so many people have lost their children through this way.

        • KatB

          I couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve read a few stories like this one and while I can’t say it’s the case this time, in the books I’ve read, you’ve have to think it was the husband’s intention from the start to eventually take his kids back to his homeland however he could, wife not included a lot of the time. It sends chills down my spine to think of having your kids taken to another country without you, especially to another culture far removed from your own.

    • Greg M

      Channel 9 paid $109k AUD to the “child rescuers” in an attempt to create the news rather than report it and they got their arse bit. Good job, and I hope they get jail time for it.

  • Isherman

    Jeremy Corbyn fail #402. Being the smug and sanctimonious cretin he is, he tabled his tax return in Parliament and urged everyone to do the same, and then later strangely supported an agreement between the two parties that only the two most senior members from each party would do so. However, it turns out he omitted from his tax return his pension, which he has recieved since May 2014, and also a previously awarded pension from his time in local government…thousands of quid worth. Dodgy, oh and his Party also had to suspend yet another Labour Councillor (Aysegul Gurbuz – Luton) for tweeting that “Adolf Hitler = greatest man in History”, and “Iran are going to have their own nuclear weapon and are going to wipe Israel off the map”. What a bunch of winners eh.

  • Orca

    An article from the MSM today about a woman who got lost in Arizona, and wandered off into the forest, lost for 9 days:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11622440

    There is an important lesson here, and it isn’t just the one that the rescue teams are saying i.e “always stay with your car in such an emergency”, because, while this is normally true, the real problem is evident in the article:

    “Her hybrid car ran out of gas and electric power…..”

    Yes, she was driving a hybrid, probably a Prius or a leaf, being a 72 year old woman. How many times do we have to have such near tragedies before people will get it through their thick skulls: “Never, Never drive a gay hybrid, people!”.

    In this instance, and while not normally advisable, I can at least understand why she abandoned the car and walked away. If only she could have done that while she was still at the Prius dealership. Sigh.

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