Whaleoil General Debate

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  • LabTested

    Yesterday I was working from home and accidentally spilt a cup of coffee over my laptop – and by Coffee I mean a pint of beer. I didn’t know this, but apparently beer and electronics do not mix.

    I had just spent the last 6 weeks working on a major project which for some reason I had not backed up. Turning it on and off again does not recover your data. Neither does shouting at the GF – that just got me the couch for the night.

    So today I took the Laptop into the office where luckily I have a IT guy. I suspected it
    was a major problem when I saw him get out his Computer repair kit (pic)

    • hookerphil

      Time to get the bike out.

    • Richard

      I don’t like the look of the last resort option there.
      I did the same with a cup of green tea a few weeks back, the lappy was doing a few odd things for a while but has come good now.

      Speaking of computers, I have gone from previously getting random prompts about installing Windows 10, to this morning getting a dedicated window stating that I have been scheduled for an automatic upgrade…no thanks.

      • LabTested

        I asked him about the hammer. He said he would never use it – but that the computer does not know that. He just keeps it visible to intimidate the machine! – and I think he is serious

      • Nige.

        I took the leap. Windows ten is ok so far.

        (hated the pushiness though.)

        • Heathen. I won’t speak to you no more.

          • Nige.

            Nooo no no. Only on my laptop. Not on mega super comupter. Ubuntu is the bomb g.

      • KatB

        Surely the green tea would be better for it than beer.

        • Dumrse

          I had the thought that the green tea indicated he was on the wrong blog site. It happens you know, sometime radio talk back callers ring the wrong station.

      • jcpry

        Go with it. Windows 10 has not given me a single issue. There will always be exceptions and those that complain but my experience has been totally positive. .

      • Greg M

        Easily fixed. Go to windows update, installed updates, and look for KB3035583. Uninstall it and the problem, and the icon in the system tray goes away.

      • Disinfectant

        The moment windows 10 came out I installed it.
        Only one bit of advice. Make sure you have downloaded all updates on your current system.
        I like windows 10 and would fully recommend it.
        Bing is their default search engine, which I tolerated for too long but Ihave now switched to Google.

    • Nige.

      What?! No axe?

      • Nige.

        …or duct tape?

        • hookerphil

          Surely binder twine would be useful.

          • Isherman

            Cable ties,….dunno how he thinks he’s going to fix anything without cable ties in the kit.

        • CRC?

        • Dave

          Thats the difference between a Builder / Plumber and an IT geek / expert. more refined Nige.

          • I appreciate you trying to explain, but you’re wasting your time.

    • I find a tech that wears a watch highly suspicious.

      • LabTested

        It’s just a fashion statement which says – I’m paying him too much

        • It’s not that hard. 1) open unit 2) remove hard drive or SDD 3) plug into sata unit 4) suck data onto network 5) pretend you can fix a computer that’s had beer through it, when you really just need to ask him to 6) break it a little more, 7) get a new one, 8) claim insurance.

          EDIT to add: Trust me, once it has had beer through it, it’s never going to get “fixed”.

      • Dan

        Even if it is a Galaxy Gear?

    • Uncle Bully

      I’m intrigued to hear what you were working on that justified (or necessitated) beer drinking while working.

  • Les couilles de chien.

    IRD are robbing gits. Not only do they take too much of your hard earned moolah, not being content with that they grab a bit more by not taking mobile phone calls on their 0800 number when you have to phone them to give them some more! ‘normal mobile phone rates will apply’ – for the next 10-15 minutes whilst you slothly make your way up their queing system. grumble, grumble………

    • Crowgirl

      I always thought having to affix a stamp to the envelope they sent as part of their robbing, was a smack in the chops.

      • Send it

        C/o Minister of Revenue

    • pisces8284 .

      Received an IRD tax refund cheque, banked it in Westpac (Govt bank), can’t use it as not cleared funds for 3 days. Go figure

      • hsvmaloo

        I couldn’t even bank the wifes refund into our joint bank account at Westpac because I wasn’t her. Go figure. I said whats to stop me from depositing it through their quick deposit box or ATM, she replied “Nothing”. What a confusing world.

        • pisces8284 .

          Hmm, I would like to hear an explanation for that from someone other than the teller. So curious that I might even inquire myself

          • pisces8284 .

            Westpac’s reply. “This doesn’t sound right. Can you please confirm which branch this was at, from what it sounds like there should have been no problem with you depositing the cheque”I I left the conversation at that stage – sounds like the teller would have been in trouble!

          • hsvmaloo

            Correction. It was ASB Whangarei about 5 yrs ago. I changed to Westpac not long after, after ASB had annoyed me once too often. If I recall both cheques were under $100.

      • Kiwiracer

        A few years ago now(7), a mate of mine who worked in the multi bank processing centre, told me that there was no reason why cheques couldn’t be cleared overnight, other than the banks not wanting it. . .

      • Disinfectant

        Reminds me of a time when I was having a problem with ACC.
        I was adamant I was right and that they had overcharged me. After a lot of back and forth I gave up.
        About three days later a letter arrived with their logo on it and I thought it was just another invoice. I couldn’t be bothered opening it. Just on six months later, I came home one night after a good night out, and oft is my habit to open letters when I’m in a really good mood, I decided to rip it open.
        Well guess what? it was a cheque which I had sat on for 6 months. I had one day left to cash it. Next morning I scorched down to the bank and got a quick clearance on it.

      • kayaker

        I remember when our then 17yo son received a cheque in the mail. He asked ‘what do I do with this?’ Then tried to poke it through the DVD slot on his computer!

    • kayaker

      I’ve just paid my terminal tax from a few months of contract work. Then they wanted me to pay provisional tax around July, even though I told them I’m now in a permanent PAYE role since May 2015. All fine now, but I wonder how long it would’ve taken to get it back?

  • Posted without further comment.

    • RightyTighty LeftyLoosey

      I’ve heard that the older generation is now on Tinder.

      • kayaker

        Lol! The older generation invented Tinder and the whole internet thing.

    • Huia

      That one with the red scarf looks a lively sort. Probably the life and soul of that party.

      • I’m told that one is the brains of the family

        • Platinum Fox

          It’s not a family.
          The gentleman pictured with Goof is or was very successful in business. Having read the story that accompanied the photograph, Goof was using a connection through his sister-in-law for a bit of electioneering in Howick and claiming a somewhat tenuous connection with the area that was unrelated to the non-familial connection between the other gentleman and Goof’s sister-in-law’s family.

  • Cadwallader

    A thought. Does the Green Party attract people with weird ideas or does membership in it cause participants to adopt weird ideas? Last night Turei was using the Greens’ own special “f” word….privatisation again. This time it was in relation to CYPS’ reformation.She has no idea at all what she dribbles on about.She may as well have been awash with cider. (There’s a pun!)
    Ought there be some sort of warrant of fitness examination before MPs take their seats? The warrant of fitness would look at such things as medical history, current health, financial stability and psychiatric assessment. It would be interesting to learn who would fail the criteria and which party had the greatest number of would-be MPs who fell short of the assessments. Anyone up for a wager?

    • niggly

      Agree – despite various people working with children in state care being interviewed across the MSM yesterday saying these reforms are good and well overdue etc, the toxic Green co-leader could only spout negativity that this “could result in privatisation”.

      The news clip had other co-leader Shaw standing silently in support of Turei, behind her.

      My conclusion after seeing that? The Green Party, despite their exploitation of children for their campaigns (votes) don’t actually give a damn about vulnerable children. Instead the Green Party will use children to further their own agenda to “hate” on the Government.

      So what is the point of having the taxpayer fund these useless list MP’s if they are too ideologically blinkered to do their jobs for the betterment of the people they are meant to serve?

      • Cadwallader

        “Ideologically blinkered” Very true, but I prefer too stupid. I seldom see a hint of these twerps possessing traditional IQ or emotional IQ. They are a blight on parliament and indeed this country.

      • Isherman

        Speaking to the Hosk this morning, the Commissioner for Children and the Chair of Foster NZ see the changes and the shake up as wholly positive, including the provision of some services from the private sector to help achieve the outcomes for these kids that are being dismally failed by the current system and methodology. Metiria though, oh no, not her…not a mention of the ultimate aim here, all shes worried about is the fact that services provided from the private sector may be utilised. Frankly, it’s despicable, putting ideology over the means of achieving outcomes for some of the most vulnerable kids in society. She disgusts me.

        • johnandali

          I find it odd that whenever I watch TV1 news, there she is, early on in the news broadcast, criticising something that National are alleged to have done (or have not done). And it’s all one-sided. No other opinion or response is sought. I wonder what’s going on. Does she have a contract with them or something? Or is this the end result of the left-wing’s politicisation of TV1?

    • johnandali

      They should also undergo an IQ test to verify that they have the skills and intellect to carry out their tasks. One of the tests will ascertain the reasoning skills of the candidate. If the reasoning skills are average or below average, then they are going to be completely out of their depth in parliament. Candidates for Parliament should be required to undergo an IQ test, and if they don’t get an above-average rating, they would not be considered to be suitable for parliamentary duties. There are quite a few current MPs who I’m sure would fail the test.

  • niggly

    Had good chuckle when waking up to Radio NZ’s Moaning Report, it seems some Opposition MP’s are whinging their heads off that they only have 5 days to consider the public’s view of the TPPA consultation process. The whingers were Labour’s David “hyperbole” Clarke, Greens Graham Kennedy and NZF Fletcher Tableau.

    Had a chuckle because these are useless List MP’s who don’t have any work to do (i.e. they aren’t a rare Opposition electorate MP with constituents to deal with), they do stuff all apart from dream up Govt attack lines. So for once in their life they “supposedly” have 5 whole working days to collectively work on a report!

    Talk about useless List MP’s if they can’t collectively spend 5 days writing up (what they ideologically will be opposed to anyway, so it won’t be hard for them)!

    Note: I say supposedly because RNZ interviewed Mark Mitchell who seemed to dismiss their claims and even stated that deadlines for public consultation had been extended. So it seems like useliess List MP’s like Clarke, Graham and Kennedy are squawking because they have to actually do something called “work”, for once in their lives!

    How would these useless List MP’s handle the pressure of actually governing should that fate ever befall them one day?

    • Second time around

      Clark was complaining just a couple of weeks before that the summer recess was not long enough for people to prepare their submissions (against) the TPPA. Ninety percent will be one liners saying that the submitter agrees with Jane Kelsey, or agrees with Andrew Little’s principle stance (based on skimming 500 pages of the 6000 while on the beach), so it should take no time for the committee to process those. By the way Clark is MP for Dunedin Nth, successfully beating Michael Woodhouse and Metiria Turei for the position.

      • Aucky

        Dunedin North is university territory isn’t it? Enough said.

    • geoff3012

      Clark is MP Dunedin north….not list

      • niggly

        Thanks for the correction (after I posted I had a feeling he was a rare Labour electorate MP). Oh well good on David Clarke for not being a “useless list MP” and actually being elected by the people.

        But if only he could cut down on his hyperbole because every time he talks he reminds me of Phil Twyford, both spouting such bad rhetoric it makes them sound as if there is nothing inside between their ears!

    • Lemuzz

      What really pisses me off is that these usless politicians draw a very fair salary for what? They have a long holiday period over christmas, subsidised meals and drinks, subsidised accomodation cheap airfare for them and their wives or partner and in some cases their children, a very attractive subsidised super fund and a golden handshake after serving more than 3 terms, the list goes on and on. Some like Garath Hughes Clayton Cosgrove Phil Gough and many others from all parties, sit during QT with a smile on their face thinking they are important but never make any contribution to parliament. What they do during their time in Government is beyond me. They don’t even have to justify their hours spent with a time sheet.

  • dennis

    Has anybody heard anymore about Auckland Councils $1.4billion spend on the computer system? Has there been an inquiry, have heads rolled or was it all b.s.?

    • Bluemanning

      It is correct; an acquaintance, who is one of the many Auckland council I.T. team leaders, is having a difficult time seeking alternative employment. Apparently he isn’t alone in his quest, rats, sinking ship etc. He is embarrassed when I ask about the blowout and agrees it’s a disgrace but will not offer any reasons. It is unfathomable where the money has gone?

      • dennis

        I don’t know why the media has dropped this after all its in the public interest to know what went on. Is it corruption, fraud or incompetence that lead to this blow out?. The $21million spent on the flag pales by comparison. Maybe Duncan and Heather can conduct an enquiry or maybe Hager can get Rawshark to have a look.

        • Bluemanning

          The MSM aren’t interested in pursuing anything untoward when a leftie mayor and council are overseeing the trough; not deemed to be in ‘their’ public interest perhaps?

  • Usaywot

    Am I the only one who thinks all Lefty’s are miserable, angry, unhappy gits. Even the Lefty’s I know or those in my family are all as miserable as hell. Many of them have psychological problems and suffer from anxiety etc. Does being neurotic make you a lefty or vice versa?

    • Isherman

      The difference between psychological problems and leftists is that psychological problems are no no laughing matter.

      • Usaywot

        I totally agree and hasten to add I wasn’t making light of psychological problems, I know they are serious, but there does seem to be a correlation somehow. I guess if you have negative thoughts it is easy to have a negative outlook politically

    • Seriously?

      I think you’re correct that the left attracts more than its share of nutters, but I also know some lefties that are sensible intelligent people.

      Maybe is it being in opposition, if you are there long enough, that attracts the nutters. The see the party as marginalized, and think that is representative of them? That would explain why it is the right in the US that seem to attract the nutters.

    • Eiselmann

      I actually know a couple of hard working lefties who love life and are great fun to be around, I regard them as the exception that proves the point. The rest are miserable , can’t find joy in anything and life for them is all about ‘the struggle’…whats worse is that suck all the joy and fun from everyone else.

      • WeaselKiss

        For me, in my experience, there are an important 3 words in your post:
        ‘….hard working lefties…..’
        As one who has been subjected to this problematic situation first hand, and suffered because of it, I can say – obviously with large generalizations – that I’ve decided it comes down to ‘upbringing’.
        By this I mean I’ve found there are two different camps.
        Camp (a) Tells their children, right from the genesis of their cognizance, that if you want to get anywhere in this life, if you want to achieve or indeed have anything – you have to work for it.
        Camp (b) Somehow fails to instill this in their children. Because of this they usually emerge into adulthood with the notion that it is someone elses job to give them everything they need and that it’s OK for them to slack around with a chip on their shoulder, lying in bed until mid-morning and then spend the rest of the day shouting at their parents because they have no money to go anywhere. It hurts me to even think of how I know this.
        And quite often they graduate from shouting at their parents to shouting at the police (heh and Paul Henry) outside Sky City. Or shouting at innocent Israeli tennis players through the wire netting.

        • JLS

          My observation is similar- the left mindset seems to be that they have no control of their lives, the right know they are in control of their thoughts and actions and hence can navigate their lives on a course and to a destination of their choosing. I think the fundamental difference is a conscious choice to take responsibility for their lives and situation- taking the helm- and choosing to enjoy the voyage. The lefts anger is frustration from a perceived lack of control.

    • Cadwallader

      There’s a lot in this I agree. I often speculate where envy comes from? Is it a trait or a thought pattern evolved from feelings of neglect, feelings of inferiority or plain old greed? Graham Greene wrote decades ago, in “Brighton Rock” I recall, that greed has never been the sole reserve of the affluent but exists at all levels of financial strength.
      For years I have administered deceased persons’ estates and as a rule the smaller the estate the more embittered the disputes between siblings become. The bitterness is fueled by allegations of “Mum loved you more!” You greased around Dad for your own benefit!” etc etc.. These allegations point to something beyond jealousy and into a state where rational thinking is drowned by feelings of resentment born of misunderstandings and perceived neglect. Having said this; the most common cause for a will to be scrapped over is due to rivalry between sisters and sisters-in-law! That sounds spiteful and sexist but I make the observation after 40 years of doing this work.

      • KGB

        Your reference to Wills is interesting.
        Am I unfair to the legal professionals when I suggest most Wills apear to be poorly written, or advised?
        In today’s world of multiple marriages, his kids, her kids, & ‘our’ kids, it’s a mess. The Care & Protection of Children Act is also in need of modernising, children of a 1st marriage are still vulnerable under the act.
        For example ‘Joint Family Homes.’ Homes should be owned in Partnership when 2nd marriages are in play. The remaining spouse inherits all, as do the children of that spouse. An inheritance for the 1st children relies on the eventual fairness of the step-parent. (Not forgetting the possibility of yet another marriage!) This is a common problem, and the source of most Will battles I see.
        I have never had a lawyer explain these complications before purchasing a house. They seem to automatically place titles into JFH.
        Wills are very tricky and it seems ‘outdated’ advice or practises are often in play.
        We are about to make wills, it’s seems like a mine field now. I just hope we get it right.

        • Cadwallader

          Big topic. The problem is that the public tends to trivialise the importance of wills. Often they are scratched out on the eve of an overseas holiday with the caution that a more considered will be completed on return. This invariably doesn’t happen. Others find the subject too difficult with the shrug-off “I won’t be around so why ought I care?” With mixed/multi families there are many hazards and concerns but it is more or less impossible to cater for all of them. A drafted will is no more than a snapshot of how things appear to be on a given date, keeping the will current requires it to be re-visited routinely.

          • johnandali

            I spent some time working in one of our major High Courts. The saddest court hearings are those where families squabble over deceased wills. But they’re fights over testamentary promises. My Dad promised that I would have this house when he died. Things like that. And over a dispute about a few thousand dollars, families turn on one-another – probably for ever. And quite often, the judge adjourns to allow the parties to talk and negotiate how they are going to settle the dispute, and this seems to do the trick in many cases. But for the others who still won’t agree, the familial relationship goes straight down the drainpipe.

          • I’ve decided already that if it comes to that, I walk away from it. It’s not my money to start with, and they can take it all in exchange for never darkening my doorstep ever again.

          • johnandali

            During the course of the court hearings, you can clearly see the discomfort, anger, distress and every other negative emotion in the faces of those people involved. Based on what I saw there, I don’t think I could ever contest a will. And is it worth breaking a life-long relationship in the family for a measly few dollars? It’s also difficult for the judges (justices), and it was interesting that in every case I was involved in, the best solution was to let the parties hold a conference with their counsel present, and try to reach an amicable solution.

    • pisces8284 .

      Totally agree. With the lefties I know it’s pure envy. They feel so hard done by and are just consumed with injustice and hatred. With politicians it’s absolute negativity, they couldn’t possibly say something positive about Government policy, Jacinda’s face was bitter and twisted as she ripped into the new CYFs policy

    • Annoyed

      I have quite a few lefty friends. They are all young however and come from stable & caring two parent families. They’ve basically never truly had to fend for themselves. They’re all nice and happy people but I think their leftism comes from a lack of understanding of how the world truly works.

    • JEL51

      I woke again and ended up listening to a run of them during the wee small hours. There is a certain host who attracts, then feeds them on scraps of negativity. I think they lay in wait sometimes for days for him, to vent their spleen. They do have a strange mind-set. It is as though they believe everyone is conspiring against them. Much is of the jealous nature and a total distrust in anyone who doesn’t appear to align with their Left thought-process.

  • Seriously?

    Can anyone help me see what I’m missing re solar power and supply charges? The other day a company decided to charge it solar customers more per unit of electricity in order to recover the cost of supply. To me that is sensible, but it got a lot of bad press.

    It seems to me that the supply company needs to have enough capacity to meet demand at peaks – which I assume is in the evenings, especially in winter. Because we mainly use things such as hydroelectric generation, off-peak capacity must be more or less irrelevant, there is plenty of it, more than is needed, but it must be there in order to cope with the evening peak.

    Until they improve the ability to store daytime power for use during evening peaks (whether it be the generator or the solar user doing the storage), solar users demand pretty much the same amount of power as I do at peak times. Hence, the marginal need to have generation capacity for meeting my needs, it is exactly the same as the marginal needed to meet the needs of the solar user.

    If the cost of that generation capacity is caught up in the cost of the power, and we all pay the same, the solar user is freeloading off my power bill by not paying their fair share of the capacity demand they cause. Am I missing something?

    • MarcWills

      My fundamental objection is to power retailers or “green” crusaders who want to put up overall power charges to help cover the additional costs of these retailers, just for those people who have installed solar and are reducing their own power bills. Why should those who don’t have $12,000 spare pay more for their basic electricity so the poseurs can make themselves feel good? Solar with storage is realistic for those not on or in an economic situation where the national grid is not feasible.

      There is a reasonably balanced article on Stuff today which outlines the pro and against lobbies. Shame they haven’t activated the comments facility, but kudos to the author, Susan Edmunds for a well researched piece.


  • yoyoyo
    • Melissa

      I saw this the other day and my first thought was ‘ brave woman’.

  • kereru

    More ‘discrimination’ by Jetstar, this time involving a transgender woman.


    • KatB

      So she couldn’t provide proof of identity, (like any other person may have to), so in her mind the airline were discriminating about her being transgender? Another case of somebody discriminating against themselves.

      • kereru

        What about the woman in the USA who ‘identifies’ as a cat? Would she demand cat food and a luxury cage with cushions?

        • KatB

          I guess she could as long as her identification all matched up. I suppose she’d need her vet clinic ID?? Maybe she’s chipped?

        • Seriously?

          She would probably have to travel in the cargo hold.

          • kereru

            Imagine the hissing, clawing and yowling if that were to happen. A sure case of anti-feline discrimination.

  • Hard1

    Can’t let this glaring mistake go. Front Page Herald…….and spellcheck is free.

    “Watch: Nazi-looted art returned to Jewish airess”

    • KatB

      Spellings not really important, we can all see the article is referring to those Jewish airbeds. Just a tpyo.

      • kereru

        Jewish airheads perhaps?

    • kereru

      Spellcheck isn’t much help. I’ve just typed heiress and it suggested ‘airless, airs, arises Aires (?!) aides.

      I once typed a joke email to a friend using spellcheck suggestions and it ended up being rather amusing gibberish.

      • KatB

        Sad that our grammar is such that an error like that isn’t picked up. Spellcheck or no spellcheck. Sometimes if spellcheck isn’t helping me, I reach for my trusty dictionary. That’s not to say I don’t still make a mess of spelling and grammar.

        • kereru

          Let’s just say I’m thankful for the ‘edit’ button! Sometimes fingers go faster than brain, and vice-versa. ;-)

  • Aucky

    Hi all. Some IT advice please. Google Chrome is telling me that I am no longer supported as I use either Word HP or Vista. Does this mean that I need to download Windows 10?

    • kereru

      Not qualified to advise, but I get the same message and we use Windows XP. I just carry on anyway and it doesn’t seem to matter.

    • Mountie

      No, it just means there will be no more security updates for your system.
      It may leave you open to viruses but your system will still operate.