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  • LabTested

    Dead at 57

    ..and Prince was his real name (so i just learned)

    • Nige.

      • Isherman

        Right up there with his very best performances, certainly my favourite, and it was this gig that made me realise how underrated he was as a pure rock guitarist. He was a genuine talent, and is a genuine loss.

      • intelligentes candida diva

        Guitar solo at his induction into Rock Hall of fame really does highlights his guitar skill

    • intelligentes candida diva

      I just read it too Loved Prince, he had cool as attitude oh and he could make music, feeling :-(


    • Jude

      This too is doing the rounds, interesting commentary included.
      RIP Prince

      • intelligentes candida diva

        Prince knew how to dance in the rain. He gave life zest

      • Nige.

        that was just fantastic. Very moving. What a guy.

        • Wasapilot

          Some hears ago now, Eric Clapton was asked what it is like to be the best guitarist in the world. His reply, I don’t know, go and ask Prince. High praise indeed.

          Never really got into Princes music as a whole, however I do admire his boundless talent.

    • Crowgirl

      Gutted ?

  • Nige.

    I love old photos. (of course to some people they are just ‘photos’)

    Check out this awesome photo of Kaikoura which; ” shows a column of men from the New Zealand Mounted Rifles passing along West End on their way to serve in World War I.”


    • Isherman

      Here’s an interesting couple. Indian regiment getting a look at Auckland from the summit of Mt Eden, and another trooping down Kyber Pass…our Kyber pass, (not their one.) Circa 1901.

  • Big_Al

    I had been giving Phil Goff a little more credit than Idiot Andy, but obviously i was wrong.
    This latest media stunt from Goff shows that he is just a chip off old Angry’s block.
    This was all over talk back radio last night and causing anti national comments. For a Mayoral candidate he obviously has no more integrity than Loony Len.

    • Mick Ie

      Currently, I believe he is receiving an income per each hat worn. No conflict of interest at all…

  • Cadwallader

    This has to be a first: I heard Annette King acknowledge to Paul Henry that JK’s visit to China has been a success. It has been of course; but Little Angry will undoubtedly emerge with criticism of the effort. I expect this will be by lunchtime after being prodded by his think-tank mates to pour scorn in his routinely mindless way.

    • Seriously?

      Wait until they figure out that while there he walked past the office of someone who knows a man in Hamilton who is married to a person from Auckland whose second cousin once worked for a woman who donated $50 to the National party in 1975. Stinks to high heaven if you ask Andrew.

      • Cadwallader

        ..and, and ,and Judith Collins was covertly drinking milk with a known donor to National in a bar full of Chinese. There’ll be soiled y-fronts all over the Beehive today!

    • Uncle Bully

      I’m just waiting for the left to howl with outrage about the forthcoming extradition treaty between NZ and China.

      • Cadwallader

        Smalley has apparently already started this by furrowing her empty brow over the “rights” of Chinese criminals on their return to China. Once these Chinese crims are out of NZ’s domain, who cares?

      • jaundiced

        I understand that China is not known for human rights. On the other hand China has bad criminals, not just the politically persecuted.
        Do we want New Zealand to be a safe haven for China’s criminals?

  • MaryLou

    Granted I’ve only had one coffee after a very late night, but when these stats popped up I couldn’t help but wonder why this is a prison reform issue rather than a reflection on the state of (some elements of) our society. Prison is surely the end result rather than the cause (pic):

    • LabTested

      I’m sure we would have heard about it if 188,000 people had been killed in 2010

      ..or maybe not!

    • Raibert

      If the law hasn’t significantly changed then it is a reflection on elements within society.

    • Maisie

      Considering most murderers are sentenced to long terms, each one would appear In The stats each year for a good few years. So stats give wrong impression. Also don’t think our courts could cope with 188,000 murder cases in a year! However some out there will believe this

    • Greg M

      Must be the USA, there is around 8500 total in NZ prisons.

      • Uncle Bully

        Record muster of 9405 prisoners Tuesday last week.

      • MaryLou

        Yeah, but same sentiment applies, dunnit? Turn it into a percentage and prob same “growth” applies. Either way, it’s not prisons that turn people into murderers is it? They got their because they killed, not beforehand…

  • Cadwallader

    Invasion!!! I hear that a number of Syrian “refugee families” are due to arrive in Dunedin today. A woman representing the Red Cross has asked locals not to go to the Airport for fear of overwhelming them. This is an odd sentiment given how many Europeans have been overwhelmed by Syrian arrivees in the past year. There must be better ways to spend the school holidays in Dunedin than to gawp at Syrians. Where to from here?

    • Isherman

      I almost get her sentiment, if you think in terms of hordes of semi activist do-gooders who would turn up en mass thinking these people want some sort of heroes welcome..it could become a little over the top the way some of them carry on. I have my own thoughts about Dunedin as a venue for them, but I only hope they enjoy the opportunity to live in our great country and feel some responsibility to make every attempt to fit in.

      • Mikex

        The first step to them ever being able to fit in is to chuck their copy of the Koran in the bin.

        • Isherman

          Or at least not interpret it quite as literally as some do, and understand that your life does not need to be based completely on its contents in our society, otherwise by the same logic we would need to implore Tim Groser to throw his copy away too.
          But the undeniable fact is that they do need to make the effort, and we can surmise that some will, and others… not so much. I would be interested to see how the younger ones develop, and how much of it they leave behind as they grow up here.

          • Mikex

            From the European and Scandinavian experience many of the so called radicals are second generation Muslims that grew up there.

          • Yes. It’s what happens to the kids of immigrants growing up that is formative. Which is why New Zealand needs to not create their own problem my marginalising them. #IMHO

          • Mikex

            The key is that they are not allowed to reach significant population numbers where they will attempt to gradually marginalise non-muslims.

          • How do we get politicians to implement that. That’s the challenge.

          • Mikex

            Agreed !

          • Isherman

            And I also. It will only be in language that affords some acceptable level of political capital, and you need to talk seperately about immigrants and refugees.
            Somehow suggesting a clampdown on Muslims per se wont even get off the ground, with any Party, but if the argument can be steered to one of concern about ANY people coming from an area or country (usually but not necessarily amid current unrest or conflict ) that is not governed or run by a recognised legitimate government, then you could at least cite legitimate concerns, such as a lack of verification and redress or enquiry to that country. Take say Syria or Afghanistan, large chunks of the population are the citizens and subjects of ratbags, and so verifying information becomes an issue. The debate needs to be tackled from another perspective, but that achieves the same result..or pretty close to it.

          • Isherman

            Pragmatism is a powerful ally.

          • Isherman

            That’s indeed true, as is the fact we have third generation Muslims here which have never been a problem. That means, the answers lays in the individuals, and the challenge is therefore twofold. 1) be careful about your screening processes, and 2. Make sure you have the ability to detect and monitor the threat such as it is at any given point.

    • Keanne Lawrence

      Never the less a good crowd turned out to welcome the 13 families which could soon be multiplied by a substantial double digit factor. Wonder what sort of demands they will have after a winter in Dunedin?

  • Jude

    Received this via email, makes you realise how quickly technology changes the way we live in such a short space of time.

    Subject: 1916 ..What a difference a century makes!


    THE YEAR IS 1916

    This will boggle your mind!

    The year is 1916 “One hundred years ago”. What a difference a century makes!

    Here are some statistics for the Year 1916:

    The average life expectancy for men was 47 years.

    Fuel for cars was sold in chemists only.

    Only 14 percent of the homes had a bath.

    Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.

    The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.

    The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower.

    The average British wage in 1916 was £15 per year!

    A competent accountant could expect to earn £800 per year.

    A dentist £900 per year.

    A vet between £600 and £900 per year.

    And, a mechanical engineer about £2000 per year.

    More than 95 percent of all births took place at home

    Ninety percent of all Doctors had no university education!

    Instead, they attended so-called medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press AND the government as “substandard.”

    Sugar cost two pence a pound.

    Eggs were 10 pence a dozen.

    Coffee was five pence a pound.

    Most women only washed their hair once a month, and, used Borax or egg yolks for shampoo.

    Canada passed a law that prohibited poor people from entering into their country for any reason.

    The Five leading causes of death were:

    1. Pneumonia and influenza

    2. Tuberculosis

    3. Diarrhoea

    4. Heart disease

    5. Stroke

    The American flag had 45 stars.

    The population of Las Vegas, Nevada was only 30.

    Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea hadn’t been invented yet.

    There was neither a Mother’s Day nor a Father’s Day.

    Two out of every 10 adults couldn’t read or write and, only 6 percent of all British pupils went to university.

    Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at local corner chemists.

    Back then chemists said, “Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach, bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health!”

    Eighteen percent of households had at least one full-time servant or domestic help…

    There were about 230 reported murders in the ENTIRE U.S.A.! In 2015 this figure had risen to 14,249.

    In the UK the murder rate in 1916 was 1420. In 2015 it was 537. (Perhaps we are doing something right!)

    I am now going to forward this to someone else without typing it myself.

    From there, it will be sent to others all over the WORLD all in a matter of seconds!

    Can you imagine what it may be like in another 100 years.

    • OT Richter

      So the 1% thing is not new then.

    • Second time around

      The American Medical Association went to great lengths to eliminate unqualified people from their profession from the last two decades of the 19th century, possibly to avoid competition from itinerant quacks, possibly to protect the community. Practitioners had to produce evidence of approved tertiary training and of actual proficiency as doctors. I am surprised that such a high proportion of practitioners had no qualifications so many decades after the AMA became involved.

  • axeman

    So the 60 minutes team is released, how blimin lucky, may be now they might not be so self righteous and consider themselves lucky that they live in Australia where the legal process is a bit more robust and fair. The result could have been so much different.

    • Dan

      They were probably more lucky to be arrested in a place that allows paying off officials. Seems money changed hands to make this thing go away. Wouldn’t happen as easy as that in Oz.

      • axeman

        True, but still if you were going to be arrested and held I think being banged up abroad is a bit more frightening

  • Oh, I’m so going to burn in hell for laughing out loud a this

    “A Canterbury man’s DIY bug extermination attempt went disastrously wrong when he set his house on fire.”

    • Seriously?

      That would have got rid of the bugs.

    • Wasapilot

      A relation of Lux I wonder ?

      • Lux

        hahahaha .. that made me choke !!!!!!!!!!

      • I’ve given up meeting Lux in person.

        For years I’ve tried to meet her so I can thank her for her hard work.

        For years I thought she was scared or otherwise not prepared to have me come over.

        It’s only recently I realised, she’s been trying to keep me alive.

  • cows4me

    My detour sign. Haven’t got much beer yet but they all look guilty when they drive past.

    • cows4me

      Working on the culvert.

      • Now that you have a pipe, you better get some meth

  • Dan

    My life today feels incomplete somehow…..oh that;s it….FOTD?

    • Ha!

      I better check what happened.

  • old school

    You now that there must be something wrong when Anders Brevik can win a discrimination case.

  • “A Christchurch man caught masturbating at a girls softball game has appeared in court today.

    Martin Allan Graham, 35, had been smoking cannabis when he showed up at a softball tournament at Cowles Stadium in Christchurch about 5pm on March 26.

    The game involved girls aged between 13 and 17 and police say there were a lot of young children and families watching on.”

    and here comes the punch line

    “Judge Gary MacAskill did not consider a restorative justice conference to be appropriate.”

    I wonder why… sheesh

  • sandalwood789

    I see that the latest migration figures are out from Stats NZ –

    Table 8 ( Net migration ) is the one I always look at. Big gains in the year ended 31st March from India (12,000+), China (9,000+) and the Philippines (5,000+). Solid gains from France and Germany (3,000+ each). Others of note are the UK (3,500+), South Africa (2,500+), Australia (1,800+), Canada (1,000+) and the US (1,000+).

    I’d love to have a breakdown of these figures by religion (especially the figures for India as I’d like to know what proportion of immigrants from there are Muslim).

    • Isherman

      In 2013, research by Victoria Uni had a look at some related stats. At the time, 77% of New Zealand Muslims were overseas born with 29% of those identifying as Indian (which includes Fijian Indian – importantly). Living in an area with exceptionally high inflows of Indian immigrants, the vast majority that I see in my area are Sikh and Hindu, but until quite recent times most of our Muslims were from South Asia, including Pakistan and Bangladesh as well as India.

  • oldmanNZ

    oh why? was bible class that bad?

    I remember I had bible class in my school days, Im still what I believe and not a christian, nor did I hate it.

    we celebrate easter and xmas, so its part of our history.
    no harm done..why bother to appeal?

    his last sentence, “This case is in the public interest, it’s a big question that has to be resolved.”
    Well no, I think you think it does but most people dont really care (no other parent is concerned).

  • When there is no news, and you need some

    Stuff.co.nz News @NZStuff
    Porirua: The name of the deceased dog has not yet been released

  • Aaron

    Has there been any update to Phil Goff’s use of Tax Payer resources to put out a hit job on the Police by his mayoral campaign?

    • I even (personally) asked Vic Crone to show me the evidence please.

      No answer.

      Opportunity missed, as I would have made sure WO would hit Phillip over the head with it.

      Instead, it’s not looking like an empty smear from Camp Crone aka “The Old Crones”

      • Aaron

        What about Collins since Goff was trying to throw her under the bus. Only reason to stay silent is maybe they are building up to something big..

        • Collins denied it with a public statement less than an hour after Phil threw out the “news”.

  • Kristin Hall @kristinhallNZ

    Tonight we’re interviewing @Mikehosking. Not THAT Mike Hosking. Just a British IT guy who gets a lot of hate mail. Should be good.