Budget Debate [UPDATED]

Budget 2016

Budget 2016

Like a general debate post, but about the budget.   Readers are encouraged to add snippets they find of interest throughout the afternoon in the comments below. 

Good afternoon Cam

I’ve just delivered the National-led Government’s eighth Budget in Wellington.

It’s a Budget that’s all about investing in a growing economy, while ensuring we continue to support families and the most vulnerable people who need it most.

New Zealand’s economy is performing well and we’re on track for annual growth of around 3 per cent over the next few years. We’re also on track for growing surpluses and falling debt.

That’s thanks to the National-led Government’s clear economic plan and responsible management of the books.

Budget 2016 is about building on that good progress.

Some highlights include:

  • An additional $2.2 billion for health. That’s to help pay for more lifesaving drugs, more elective surgeries, more disability support services, and to start the roll-out of a national bowel screening programme.
  • A $2.1 billion public infrastructure package to invest in building new roads, schools and classrooms, and to support our thriving tourism sector.
  • $761 million for an Innovative New Zealand package, which invests in science, skills, and regional economic development initiatives to help grow and diversify the economy.
  • $652 million for an Social Investment package to help drive changes to help improve the lives of the most vulnerable New Zealanders.

As a country, New Zealand is more confident and the economy is growing solidly. Thousands more new jobs are being created and incomes are rising.

I’m proud to have delivered a Budget that looks ahead and invests in New Zealand’s future.

I encourage you to read more about the Budget at national.org.nz/budget2016.

Kind regards,

Hon Bill English

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  • George

    In reply to the budget, count the number of times Andrew Little will say “Middle New Zealand”?

    • I’m going with 17.

    • shykiwibloke

      That speech should come with a health and safety warning.

    • CheesyEarWax

      Also “aspiring”. e.g. “aspiring middle NZ can’t afford to buy house and resort to living in cars and garages (apparently)”.

      • Wheninrome

        What they can’t do both, afford a house, live in a car or live in a garage?

    • wilson

      Also rich mates. Only helping those at the top.

    • Sticktotheknitting

      My guess is 14 times.

      • Karma

        I’ll go 15, and raise you an “out of touch”.

        • Wheninrome

          Left right outside is a great position to take, Angry is very familiar with that position.

          • Left Right Out

            So am I ,,,,LOL

          • Wheninrome

            The other one is “That’s right, that’s left, that’s right.

    • shykiwibloke

      Strange. None of his policies except removal of Aucklands urban boundaries have any meaning to middle NZ.

    • Cadwallader

      OK. How many times will Turei mention “there’s nothing here to fix child poverty?”

      • Isherman

        The count has started…

    • Greg M

      I reckon 12, with the added bonus of “asleep at the wheel” a few times.

    • Genevieve

      I’ll go for 13, and will throw in a couple of ‘stinks to high heaven’ and ‘it’s all about perception’ for good luck.

    • InnerCityDweller

      11 – a labour politician’s dozen

  • shykiwibloke

    I haven’t had any texts from journo’s in the lockup yet – has anyone else had one?

  • Ross

    *NEW ZEALAND FORECASTS 2016-17 BUDGET SURPLUS OF NZ$719M

    *NEW ZEALAND FORECASTS 2017-18 BUDGET SURPLUS OF NZ$2.46B

    *NEW ZEALAND SEES GDP GROWTH OF 2.9% IN 2016, 3.3% IN 2017

    *N.Z. TO PHASE OUT SUBSIDY ON EMISSIONS TRADING SCHEME

    *NEW ZEALAND FORECASTS JOBLESS RATE FALLING TO 4.6% IN 2019

    *N.Z. TO RAISE TOBACCO TAX 10% EACH YEAR FOR FOUR YEARS FROM JAN

    *NEW ZEALAND REAFFIRMS NZ$8B BOND PROGRAM FOR 2015-16

    *NEW ZEALAND TO SELL NZ$7B BONDS IN 2016-17

    *N.Z. REDUCES 2016-17 BOND PROGRAM BY NZ$2B FROM PRIOR FORECAST

  • CheesyEarWax

    Why are they still passing around printed copies? This is 2016.

    • Tradition. Bill signs each of them personally. #collectible

      • Ross

        #Collectibill?

  • sheppy

    Issue a national policy on development – I wonder which way Auckland Council will get around that. I hope National have learnt from their experiences with the SHA’s

  • CheesyEarWax

    $25m for cycle trail. Hmmm….

    • shykiwibloke

      Cyclists vote – probably moreso than Aussie based crims.

    • sheppy

      The National network of cycle trails is a very popular thing and brings in tourist dollars in the form of bike hire and hospitality to parts of NZ without any industry.

    • Isherman

      When the idea was first floated I rolled my eye’s, and was a bit aghast at the sort of dosh that was being thrown at them. However, since then I have started to question my original position. They seem to be popular enough, and growing as an attraction both for locals and visitors, and also seem to be creating earnings along the way. As long as that continues and grows, they might not end up being the silly idea I thought they were. And besides, if cyclists choose to do the cycleways instead of the roads…that’s not a bad thing either, kind of a win-win between cycling tourists and road users.

      • sheppy

        I cycled the Wilderness trail on the West Coast of the South Island on a hired electric bike a few weeks back, over 50% away from roads, and most of the rest on quiet ones. My first trail and once the torrential rail stopped it was a great experience. Over 4 days I visited 5 separate places, spending money in each.
        I also don’t possess any Lycra and obey the road rules. They are a great resource for all to enjoy

        • Isherman

          I remember cycle tourists years back going along the Thames coast to Coro…no lycra back then, just friendly Swedes and Germans on bikes…those were the days.

          • sheppy

            Everyone we met was really friendly, although only New Zealanders. Probably a bit late in the season for good weather as we discovered

      • Vutekno

        I like the idea of more cycle trails, once established and when they are a sensible options to nearby roads then they could be required to use them.

        Throw in a little cycle trail tax to have them contribute to the upkeep just as motorist have to for roads. Umm ! Sounds better and betterer!

      • Gazza

        Fact is , it is part of the increase in tourism coming to out shores , and that’s got to be great , the cycle ways from Qtown to Gibbston valley is great , very popular , when walking on there in Feb , I noted hundreds and they were in groups from 2 up to more than 20 ,.the cyclist was passing me the whole time

    • Zanyzane

      It is money well worth it, I worry each time I have to drive past one of these crazy bicyclist riding along a normal road. They blame cars but these bicyclists can just suddenly veer all over the place. We should just ban them from normal roads. It is giving me a heart attack to see them on normal roads.

      • Catriona

        Why not ban motorbikes as well. They can be pretty scary in traffic too.

        • Zanyzane

          Well if those motorbikes can use the cycle lanes that would of course be ideal.

    • Dave

      I support that, it has built small business and jobs everywhere the cycle trail goes, home stays, cafes, cycle repair and hire, etc etc, its well marketed world wide.

      • Catriona

        Exactly! New Cafes pop up, BnB’s pop up, $$$$ get spent in the local shops. Everyone’s a winner thanks to cycle trails throughout the country. And, people are all the more healthier as a result!

    • Bryan

      key just said that over 100000 used it last year

  • sheppy

    Time for opposition budget bingo….
    I wonder if any of the speeches will refer accurately to the budget just delivered

  • CheesyEarWax

    $41m for Gold card, a Winston bribe?

    • shykiwibloke

      No – just to pay off his visa bill. Giving that speech in London was pricey. :-)

      • Gazza

        Duty free Liquor

    • kayaker

      Old Winnie didn’t even clap that one.

  • jcpry

    Has Little actually read the budget or did he just recycle his speech from last year?

    • shykiwibloke

      Creative imagination is not strong in that one.

    • He had Rob Salmond int eh lock up probably furiously typing his speech up so he could email it ti Andy.

  • sheppy

    Can’t listen to Little’s negativity any more, will look forward to reading the comments on here. Being that negative 24/7 must be damaging!

    • Ross

      At least we only have to wait a few mins for a proper giggle as JK rips him apart.

      • sheppy

        Ah, didn’t realise that was coming, is it straight after?

        • Ross

          Yes JK replies to AA

          • sheppy

            Thanks, reactivated with the sound down, much better to see the Angry looks without the dribble

          • Ross

            Phew – bell has been rung. .not long now

    • kayaker

      Just listening to him – it’s hard, but I’m going the distance to hear JK rip him up. Angry is so so Angry, he’s a nasty man, spitting all over the place! Anyone would think NZ is going to hell in a handbasket. There’s nothing aspirational about him. He dwells below the line and has no faith or confidence in the people he purports to represent. If they’re listening to him now, they’ll think they’re all just expletive useless, hopeless. This man is vile.

      • Gazza

        Spittle bug

    • Blue

      Where is he going to find all this money for all the wonderful things he is promising to everyone who feel entitled to free housing, health, schooling,ect ect ect. It will be taxing those same middle New Zealanders he says he is so concerned about.

      • Wheninrome

        He is hoping National don’t spend up large next year.

        • Gazza

          I can guarantee that National wont buy back an old dinosaur like Kiwi rail LOL

      • aero13

        He’s not going to have to find the money because he’s never going to be in a position to do anything. Not for a very long time anyway.

    • InnerCityDweller

      is he damaged because he’s negative or is he negative because he’s damaged?

    • Keeping Stock

      I was lucky; a shower of rain came through as Little was speaking, and the Sky decoder went into rain fade mode for a minute or two.

      • Wayne Hodge

        You were very lucky.

      • Gazza

        HAHAHA

        • Alfred12

          See that’s why I love My Sky, the ability to fast forward through Angry, MT, Robbo & James Shaw is worth every $.

    • Terence Hodgson

      For any “social justice warrior”, every day is a state of war.

    • shykiwibloke

      Perhaps JK Rowling had AA in mind when she dreamt up Dementors.

  • kayaker

    Angry Andy: We. Will. Build. More. Houses. …We will do whatever it takes to build those houses.

    Welcome to more sub-standard houses people, leaky homes re-visited. Back to the future.

    • Dave

      Did he mention how he would pay for them at all……. thought not.

      • kayaker

        Oh no, of course not! It’s a classic ‘show me the money’ moment!

    • Cadwallader

      What he should demand are larger cars so more and larger families can live in them. This is a faster remedy than building houses. Cars don’t generally leak, can be moved to towns where there’s no work, can serve as a holiday bach, can be used to avoid the police and debt collectors and of course you can have a meal at home in the KFC drive-thru.

      • Wheninrome

        The greens just could not support this, tandem bikes perhaps

      • kayaker

        I notice when Angry is spouting about people living in cars and garages, he leaves out ‘living in tents’. I wonder why?

        • Wheninrome

          Someone would have to erect them.

      • Rick H

        That’s gold, Cad. I’m still laughing.

    • shykiwibloke

      Empty words – he hasn’t a clue how to go about such a positive project.

    • Gazza

      That’s how stupid Little is , he was meant to be telling National how bad the economy is and how this budget was rubbish , what did he do , he moved to his presidential looking bollocks , and started telling us what Labour can do , with out any explanation of cause

  • Keeping Stock

    John Key is in good form

    “Bernie Sanders wants to rid the world of poverty. Jeremy Corbyn wants to rid the world of conflict. But Andrew Little wants to rid the phone book of Chinese-sounding surnames. He wants Indian and Chinese chefs to be called Trev and Bruce”.

    • Blue

      Lol, loved the “Labour used to mock the cycle ways, they mocked the hobbits then went to the premiere”

      • Keeping Stock

        Correct; then Key mentioned that 1,000,000 people used the cycleways in 2015. That’s a success by whatever standard you apply.

        • Wheninrome

          It is a wonderful number 1,000,000. It is a number that keeps Angry awake, he seeks them here he seeks them there, and all the time they were happily biking on a trail provided by that terrible Mr Key.

        • R&BAvenger

          I admit I was a skeptic of the cycle-ways at first, but the stats tell a positive story. Is it a wonder that Tourism is going gangbusters when you consider who the Minister of Tourism is?

      • Gazza

        And loved the movie :)

    • Hailstormers

      Comment of the week. Classic KS

    • Gazza

      Time for angry Andy to get another kick in the slats LOL

  • Vutekno

    Watching the Greens today as James Shaw delivers his response to the budget.

    What are they on today? I haven’t seen so many nodding heads since I last watched Bill And Ben!

    Genter, Hughes, Mathers, Turei all nodding furiously with idiotic grins on their faces! Quite unsettling really.

    • Keeping Stock

      They have to do something to keep themselves awake. I thought of recording Shaw’s speech to keep as a cure for insomnia.

    • Wheninrome

      Like the nodding dogs in gas guzzling cars, alongside the fluffy dice.

  • Wayne Hodge

    Key was in great form today. Eviscerated Little.

  • shykiwibloke

    Just did a quick google on the budget. The top three hits were NewsHub, TVNZ and Radio NZ. See if you can match up the headlines: “budget Offers little for business”, “increase in funding for defence forces, spies” and “budget focuses on social investment, infrastructure.”

  • Embeeare

    Thank god the Greens and James Shaw have it sorted. Just build more state houses. Why didn’t we think of that. Hell building an economy and creating employment isn’t the answer after all.
    We should have asked Jimmy earlier.

  • pzkpfw

    Struth, I think Winston will have a stroke if he keeps this up.

  • Left Right Out

    Winnie really thinks he himself is the leader of the opposition … and while he ranks second on the preferred PM he leads a party where no one else gets close to being elected….. I will concede he is far better than Little but that in itself says very little.

    He decided to sit on the cross benches but feels he knows what is best….. I have little respect for those who are happy to think they know how to fix things but don’t want to contribute by being in govt…….

  • Nige.

    Duncan garner is an idiot. He said that because of this budget marijuana will now be cheaper than a packet of cigarettes because “a marijuana tiny (1gram) costs $20 and a packet of tobacco (30gram) will cost $50”.

    • I have never bought a single tinny in my life, but I’ve never heard anyone say it costs as little as $20. If that’s the case, I might make some pizza and see what it’s like to be Green.

    • shykiwibloke

      He seems well informed of the prices for an illegal substance?

    • Rightsideofthebed

      And a tinny will last about 15 minutes, but a 30g pack will keep a smoker going a few days at least – apples and oranges again.

      Also good to see the Stuff headline piece is about the tobacco price hike, as opposed to $2.2 billion more for Health.

    • Left Right Out

      So I take it he is complaining about the cost of tobacco?? but if I am to believe want keeps getting said (I’ve never smoked or done the whacky) weed kills no one with lung cancer yet the number is incredible for tobacco. Tobacco has more chemicals in it than you can poke a stick at yet whacky is natural…… so what is his complaint?? I would like to see tobacco at $100/pack and more of our health money spent on other health issues especially for kids!!

  • kayaker

    Winnie: “Foreigners come here on foreign airlines and stay in foreign-owned hotels…” What is he proposing that we only bring tourists here on Air New Zealand? The old duffer doesn’t realise the revenue that comes in from those foreign airlines, just for a start…landing costs, airport charges.

    • shykiwibloke

      He just went to London – presumably on AirNZ…….

      • Wheninrome

        Spending overseas earning on the trip, money earned by selling our goods to those said foreigners. Winnie must realise the world is a small place and the more we trade the better off we are and said trade tends to bring about acceptance on the world stage for all. Stop trading problems start.

    • Left Right Out

      I get so confused…. one day they are talking about increasing foreign investment …. then they don’t want it and want it all the be NZ owned….. go figure

    • R&BAvenger

      Xenophobic nonsense from the waste of space that is Peters. Tourism is growing well and it employs people here. They spend money here in our country, boosting our economy. The hotels pay tax, wages and for services supporting their operation. His speech is full of holes.

      • kayaker

        I thought his speech was lightweight, his delivery poor. He just plucks slogans out of the air. The views of the people of Northland are ringing in my ears from our recent visit up there.

  • Left Right Out

    Nice start by Flavell…….. rubbing it in that it is better to be in govt and have influence than on the outside shouting hollow words….

    I’m not a fan of all the maori “perks” they receive but I respect the fact they need a voice. They recognise it’s better to be in govt to get stuff done…….

    • Left Right Out

      “We have delivered more than the Labour party… why, because they are not at the benches!!!” love it

    • CheesyEarWax

      Something the Greens will never know.

    • Ross

      Funnily enough, if the “Green party” had the same attitude, they could have done more to help the environment than they’ve ever achieved but instead they’re too focused on their stupid social agenda.

  • Greg M

    Good to see Te Ururoa Flavell putting the boot in, and of course he is correct. A few Maori party MP’s have done more for Maori being in government than Labour ever did.

    • Left Right Out

      I was far more impressed with his speech than Winnies

      • kayaker

        I rate Te Ururoa runner up to JK. The rest were a wot.

  • Left Right Out

    Too funny….. Seymour just called Labour the Donald Trump party……

    • Left Right Out

      I’m still not sure about Seymour… I thought his speech was weak….. Even Dunne seemed to come across better and I think he is dead set useless

  • Newstalk ZB “Top 10” Budget summary:

    Ten things you need to know:

    1. $2.2 billion more in health, including $1.6 billion for district health boards over 4 years.

    2. $1.44 billion more in education, including $882.5m for classrooms
    and nine new schools. But a freeze on many schools’ operational funding
    as $43m is instead targeted at 150,000 at-risk children.

    3. $39 million to roll out a national bowel screening programme.

    4. $258 million to provide at least 750 more social housing places in Auckland.

    5. $100 million to free up more Crown land in Auckland for housing.

    6. Net debt forecast to peak at 25.6% of GDP next year and drop to
    19.3% by 2020/21 – hitting Finance Minister Bill English’s target of 20%
    by 2020

    7. Forecast surplus of $668 million in 2015/16, rising to $5 billion by 2019.

    8. Total new spending of $1.6 billion a year, plus an extra $480 million freed up from cuts or underspends elsewhere.

    9. Tobacco tax to increase by 10 per cent a year every year – a
    packet of cigarettes will rise from $20 to $30 by 2020. Forecast to
    raise $425m over 4 years.

    10. Treasury forecasts economic growth of 2.8% over next five years
    and unemployment to drop below 5% in 2018. Inflation forecast to stay
    lower than expected for longer, rising to 2% in 2017.

    • Left Right Out

      How is this not good for middle NZ? Little is lost I think. Sure it doesn’t throw things at them, but this is the middle year of an election cycle…… I like what I see

      • Tom

        He keeps talking about doing something for all New Zealanders, I haven’t seen him come up with one idea that would help the average Kiwi. Just his support base! That isn t very representative of NZ.

    • Gazza

      Did you see littles crazed reply to the budget , what a fool , every thing bad , every opportunity lost …… the last paragraph of delusion was Labour are ready to govern what a joke , it is not election year , there are no opportunities for him to possibly govern till the end of next year , and he will probably be rolled by then

    • LesleyNZ

      Great to see that the bowel screening programme is being rolled out for the whole nation. It has been very successful here in the Waitemata District Health Board area and has saved lives. The opposition and those opposed to the present govt could never say they are happy with the budget- could they?

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