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Mayor of London Sadiq Khan

Today’s face of the day, Sadiq Khan has made a statement as the Mayor of London but it also sounds like a statement from a Muslim in authority, speaking on behalf of other Muslims. He was elected to represent and speak for the people of London. I was hopeful that his religion would come second to his British identity but sadly it appears that he puts Islam before both London and the UK. His statement could be interpreted as an attack on not just The UK  but on America as well. Basically he has issued a warning to Donald Trump: Moderate your stance on Muslims, or they will launch more attacks against America.

Donald Trump’s ignorant view of Islam could make both of our countries less safe – it risks alienating mainstream Muslims around the world and plays into the hands of extremists,” he said. “Donald Trump and those around him think that Western liberal values are incompatible with mainstream Islam – London has proved him wrong.”

While Khan touted the liberal values of British Muslims, some polls have found worrying indicators that their assimilation is incomplete. A poll in April, for instance, found that two-thirds of British Muslims would not tell the government if a friend or family member became involved with extremists. Half of them said homosexuality should be illegal and over 20 percent supported establishing sharia in the U.K.

– pamelageller.com


Trump told the New York Times on Monday that he was happy to see Khan elected as mayor of London last week. “There will always be exceptions,” he said of his proposed temporary ban on Muslims.

Khan has disparaged Trump’s racially charged campaign, comparing it to the much-criticised tactics of his defeated Conservative rival Zac Goldsmith, who sought to draw attention to platforms Khan had shared with Muslim extremists.

-theguardian.com

 


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  • 10cents

    Refugees are one thing, a cultural invasion is something else. What is currently going on feels a lot like the latter. The truth is that when looking around the world, Islam seldom stays a benign part of the communities it enters. It’s not good.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    I have always believed Imam speak with forked tongues, & this man now speaking in ambiguous ways.

    A man with influence & power who so quickly is making such comments is one to watch and scrutinise his words….things may not always be as he wants the non Islamic world to think they are

    • duve

      The problem is that the Western media allow such people to speak in ambiguous ways. What is wrong with askint the hard questions? But then again, the Quran allows Muslims to lie to infidels, doesn’t it?

      • intelligentes candida diva

        I think you give the media too much credit saying ‘…the media allow…’ They support such articulation through ignorance and celebrity seeking status (being sarcastic )

        That aside yes The Q’uran does permit deception.
        https://sites.google.com/site/muslimdeception/taqiyya

      • Dan

        Yes, lying for the faith – Al Taqiyya.

        Interestingly Mormons too have the same principle – you are allowed to lie to further the Kingdom of God. Which is oxymoronic.

        • Patricia

          Where is the evidence of this in Mormon scriptures?

          • Dan

            Nephi was inspired by God to deceive and murder his uncle (1 Nephi 4″6)

            Indirect I know as you have to knowthe background of Nephi and laban but how about these:

            “He called me by name and said…that his name was Nephi” Joseph Smith Times and seasons vol 3 p 753). Following History of the Church vol1 p11 his name was changed to Moroni.

            How about Abraham 2:23-25 where God commands Abraham to lie. The bible says that Abraham himself chose to lie.

            Solemn Covenant p365: Church leaders instruct members how to lie about polygamy.

            “My duty as a member of the council of the 12 is to protect what is most unique about the LDS church….Everyting may be sacrificed in order to maintain the integrity of those essential facts” Apostle Dallin H Oaks (Inside the Mind of Joseph Smith: Psychobiography and the BoM, Introduction p XLIII p 28

          • Patricia

            Thanks for that Dan. A certain amount of vacillation from Oaks. In his explanation of the church’s stance on “Lying for the Lord” he states: Lying is sinful, as it has always been, and there is no exempt category for so-called “lying for the Lord.” Lying is simply outside the range of permitted or condoned conduct by Latter-day Saints-members or leaders.” (Dallin H. Oaks, Gospel Teachings About Lying, address to faculty, students, and alumni of BYU on September 12, 1993)

          • Dan

            Yes Patricia I agree that Oakes vacillitates well here, and I have read that teaching. Oaks is a complicated Apostle. He is also on record as saying:

            The use of truth should also be constrained by the principle of unity”

            “The virtues of patience, brotherly kindness, mutual respect, loyalty, and good manners all rest to some degree on the principle that even though something is true, we are not necessarily justified in communicating it to any and all persons at any and all times.

            In any case how does D H Oaks talk relate to what Brigham Young wrote:

            ” I have many a time, in this stand, dared the world to produce as mean devils as we can; we can beat them at anything. We have the greatest and smoothest liars in the world, the cunningest and most adroit thieves, and any other shade of character that you can mention.
            We can pick out Elders in Israel right here who can beat the world at gambling, who can handle the cards, cut and shuffle them with the smartest rogue on the face of God’s footstool. I can produce Elders here who can shave their smartest shavers, and take their money from them. We can beat the world at any game.” Brigham YOung, “A Gospel like a Net Cast into the Sea”, Journal of Disourses 4:76-77 (Nov 9, 1856).

            These seem very similar to Taqiyya which is my point.

  • Positan

    Islamics are ALWAYS Muslims first. I had an experience with English-born one in the mid-’90s who’s resident here. I’d never before experienced such treachery.

  • Woody

    “Donald Trump and those around him think that Western liberal values are incompatible with mainstream Islam” There is the clue right there, in a Western country, surely that statement is back to front.

    • intelligentes candida diva

      The insidious creeping crawling…good spotting

  • Dumrse

    Who’d of thought. I just wonder why it took him so long.

    Ed to add “There will be trouble in street very soon with signs like that”

  • MaryLou

    And yet…

    “That awkward moment when you realise London’s first Muslim mayor doesn’t irrationally hate Israel” – Yair Rosenberg, Twitter (pic):

    • intelligentes candida diva

      Keeping up appearances looks good sounds good but Im sceptical When the chips are down and he is required to act that will be the telling signs

      • MaryLou

        Yes, the proof will be in the pudding, so to speak, as it is for every public figure. But there is potential here for real good leadership – it could be terrific if he sets a good example in cross cultural relations. Someone made a comment the other day about Singapore and its 15% Muslim population, and how they’re simply not given the opportunity to exploit laws to change the society. So much depends on our lawmakers, and good governance to hold fast to our Western beliefs and values – whatever the makeup of our society happens to be.

    • intelligentes candida diva

      The only thing that I thought was positive for Muslim women was his wife was not wearing a burqa

      An interesting article I came across trying to find what sect of Islam Khan belongs to
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/08/the-secret-life-of-sadiq-khan-london-s-first-muslim-mayor.html

      • MaryLou

        Great article, thanks. Once sentence made me snigger: “Sadiq Khan’s victory is probably the only bit of good news Jeremy Corbyn’s far-left-led Labour Party can truly celebrate this weekend. ” Yet he’s clearly ready to ruin Corbyns weekend when it suits!

        I like the last sentence too:

        “For anti-Muslim bigots, we’re always too Muslim. For Muslim extremists, we’re never Muslim enough. Luckily for London’s “first Muslim mayor,” God invented Secularism.”

      • spanishbride

        That is a fascinating article. I recommend everyone reads it. It is written by a former extremist client of his who now claims to be a liberal.He claims that Khan being a typical politician hung out with extremists to gain votes not because he was one.

    • spanishbride

      Yes it is good he is being consistent but note his reason for doing it. It is not because he feels it is wrong to attacks Jews, it is because he feels he has to do it if he is to be able to condemn attacks against Muslims. Do you see the difference? It is self interest.It enables him to be in a strong position when he in the future attacks members of his own party for criticising any aspect of the ideology of Islam. He can then say, but this is no different to when I stood up to the Leader for anti-Semitism.He is playing a long game here.

      He is a strange man. One the one hand he has said lots of moderate sounding things but his actions like sharing a stage with extremists make me wonder how honest he is being. Is London being played? I genuinely hope it isn’t and that he truly is the ‘moderate’ he claims to be. However his statement about liberal values being compatible with mainstream Islam is a joke.

      Even the most ‘moderate’ sect of Islam that I know makes makes men and women use separate prayer rooms and entrances. Women can’t pray at the mosque if they have their period.They were however welcoming to Jews so I guess it is possible that Sadiq Khan is from the Ahmadiyya sect ( I can’t find out what kind of Muslim he is from his Wiki ) but even they acknowledge that they are not considered to be ‘ mainstream Islam.’ In fact other Muslims consider them unbelievers for their ‘ moderate’ views which include believing that Jesus was a prophet and that the Messiah foretold by Muhammad actually arrived in India around 100 years ago.

      • MaryLou

        Re your first point about condemning racism against Jews just so he can decry it against Muslims – I just don’t see that in what he has said. It may be that, and self interest is a great driver for anyone. If it has the desired effect, and he does point out discrimination in areas, coming from a Leader that has to be a good thing – particularly if he can criticise his own party leader for not doing the same. I live in hope!

        Yes, Muslims do make women pray in different rooms, and not allow them into mosques when they have their period. But there is room (whether rightly or not – a different and really big debate) in our society at present for these religious/cultural differences, and whether they are enough to disqualify people from our society is debatable. Maoris also do not allow women into parts of the marae when they have their period – and even into some exhibits at the taxpayer funded Auckland museum.

        Jews also do not allow women to attend some rituals http://www.jewfaq.org/women.htm , and in secular Israel, this extends into law (Ref The Women of the Wall). Yet somehow, despite the attacks, Israel does live with a high percentage of Muslims that are peaceful and functional, and we rattle around with Maori on many points.

        In regard to the Ahmadiyya sect – whilst many (most) Muslims would say they are not Muslims at all, my understanding is that they consider themselves to be Muslims of the pure form rather than a political movement? A bit like Copts in a sense, who I’m sure the Catholic Church would dismiss with a wave of the hand.

        My point – if we can empower the small but ultimately more compatible sects of Islam (and I’m going to dare to call them “moderates”) and have them in leadership positions rather than allowing them to be hidden away – surely this can only be a good thing?

        I agree – he is a conundrum. I think we will soon know if he is what he purports to be.

        • spanishbride

          I agree that it is in our self interest to work with the Ahmadiyya sect but we must not fool ourselves into thinking that they represent mainstream Islam and that liberal values and Islamic values are compatible, as clearly they are not. While in our society we tolerate gender separatism from Maori and certain religions that is not a value that liberals share.

      • KatB

        I too wondered about his statement about Liberal values being compatible with mainstream Islam. In my way of thinking, I would wonder if there are many religions today who would have values compatible with liberals? As the world becomes more and more “liberal” with it’s call for accepting this and tolerating that, I’d think we’ve moved quite far from religion and I don’t know if many religions would want to have compatible views with today’s liberal society, so I don’t know if his statement, 1. can be believed and 2. is something for him to be proud of if true.

      • Dan

        Well summarised SB. I did some digging around and your optimism about Ahmadiyya may be in vain. Check out these which leads me to believe he is Sunni, if i read correctly.

        http://m.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/8451614.Election_race_infected_by_anti_Ahmadiyya_hate_campaign/

        I got that link from another source article where it was found in this paragraph (the article itself is a good read.)

        Khan knew this, and yet this fact didn’t stop his campaign working closely with Tooting Mosque to stir up anti-Ahmedi sectarian hatred in order to secure the Sunni vote for his victory. For many of my fellow Sunni Muslims Nasser Butt being an Ahmedi was a doctrinal “offence” for which he was personally responsible, while Khan was too junior of an MP at that time to have much to do with the invasion of Iraq. By now, Khan’s religious writing was clearly on the mosque wall.

        Source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/08/the-secret-life-of-sadiq-khan-london-s-first-muslim-mayor.html

        • spanishbride

          If he is Sunni then his support for gay marriage makes him an apostate. If they ( Sunni community ) are letting him get away with claiming to be Muslim yet supporting Gays and Jews, then the question has to be, why? In the UK recently a Ahmadiyya Muslim was killed for being seen as an apostate simply because he was tolerant of Christians. How is it that Khan can promote anti Islamic views and still be alive given his powerful position?

  • Dan

    He is on record for saying this:

    But clearly, being someone who is a Muslimbrings with it experiences that I can use in relation to dealing with extremists and those who want to blow us up. And so it’s really important that I use my experiences to defeat radicalization and extremism

    So it took him mere days to link the M word with the E and R word while Obama took years.

    Then a confusing and horribly wrong statement

    What I think the election showed was that actually there is no clash of civilization between Islam and the West.

    Wrong! First he will fight muslim extremism and then say there is no clash of cultures. What it actually shows is that when the Muslims in London (12.4% of the population) including the 30% of Newham and Tower Hamlets block vote for one of their own, they can rule the political waves.

    Now he wants more refugees! Muslim of course.

    I fear the Merkel is strong in this one. Anyone for a nice cup of Taqiyya?

    • Just me

      Has anyone pointed out that the most persecuted religious group in the world is Christians? This guy is the first in a soon to be long list of stone-aged tribesmen who will bring one of the most tolerant, historically rich, interesting, prosperous countries back 1300 years.

  • Damon Mudgway

    Seems London is populated by similar morons to Auckland. Big city folk sure are a weird bunch. Espousing tolerance and love while conversely being facist NIMBYists.

  • intelligentes candida diva

    The only thing that I thought was positive for Muslim women was his wife was not wearing a burqa

    An interesting article I came across trying to find wgat sect of Islam Khan belongs to
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/08/the-secret-life-of-sadiq-khan-london-s-first-muslim-mayor.html

  • Duchess of Pork

    Barely a week in office and already Khan has delivered sanctimonious lecture 1 to Corbyn and the Labour Party on correct protocols of political campaigning and lecture 2 to the western world (thinly disguised as kindly advice to Donald Trump) on integrating Muslims into host nations in order to avoid Islamic extremism. For lecture 3 I’m hoping Mr Khan can explain why western European countries, in particular younger female citizens, are currently less safe in the aftermath of a generous welcome and dedicated efforts to integrate large numbers of Muslim refugees and migrants.

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