Kids like Moko will continue to die. Tolley says Government can’t help them

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Ms Tolley, who was at the pre-Budget announcement for sexual violence services, said those responsible for Moko’s death had already accepted responsibility.

“We have a court process where two people put their hands up to torturing a three-year-old which resulted in his death. That’s the truth.  Those people are the two people responsible for Moko’s death.

“It’s an absolute tragedy and your heart goes out to all the family. It would be the worst nightmare for a family to lose a child in that way,” she said.

She said CYF would go to a house if they’d had a report of concern, but that hadn’t been made in this case.
“There has been discussion of whether the woman was able to cope, but no one picked up the phone at any stage and said they felt those children were unsafe — that is a report of concern. No one did that; nobody has put their hand up and said they did that.”

When asked whether it would take more money or resources for CYF to fix things, she replied: “What, you’re going to put people into houses? Live with people? Really, none of that is going to make a difference if people do not understand violence is not acceptable in any circumstances.”

“It is illegal, you can make all the laws, you can have all the social workers, the dedicated people throughout New Zealand, but it comes down to the individual.”

She said while CYF is undergoing a major overhaul, it still wouldn’t stop someone “being cruel and torturing a child if they think that’s okay”.

Nothing is going to stop anyone from doing anything, and expecting the government to pick up the responsibility for Moko is just typical.  Media have been trying to hang this on National.

But then to add insult to injury, the people involved in the aftermath agree on a manslaughter deal because they only meant to torture him to an inch of his little life.  Killing him wasn’t the intent.

Every time I think about it, I feel sick.

 

– Newshub

 


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  • Graeme

    Read Alan Duff’s comment in “opinion” in the NZ Herald about this on going problem.

    • Just me

      I’m still astounded that it was published in the first place. I read it and agreed with all of it… I notice that there was no comments available on that item… far too controversial to get a measure of real public opinion.

    • Gaynor

      His comments are spot on . He is the first Maori to speak up …but what will happen?
      Especially like this part of Alan’s article
      “You’d all better call an urgent hui at which you should be discussing do-ies. No ceremonial palaver, no lengthy speechifying, no floor-strutting, tokotoko-waving posturing. Just find solutions. Take it by the horns before another crop of innocent kids are lost forever.”

    • Dave

      Unbelievably GREAT, honest and to the point, but the parts about leadership – Outstanding. If only, but I fear Mr Duff will be blamed for speaking out.

      As Duff alludes to All Hui, No Doey.

  • jcpry

    Isn’t that the unvarnished and honest truth! No doubt she will be castigated for telling it like it is.

  • Graham Pilgrim

    When I read about some of the violence that this poor kid had inflicted upon him, and then Marama Fox’s “offence” at the cartoon published here, I wrote her a pretty curt email.

    Here is her response:

    That is not true at all. You should know that in the recent death of Moko and subsequent plea bargain we also expressed outrage.

    Equally you need to understand that non Maori children suffer from abuse and death as often as Maori. This is a whole of population problem that we are at the forefront tackling while this cartoonists racist and thoughtless depiction makes light and incorrect assumptions.

    The media pick up on Maori child deaths that are horrific. Very rarely do you hear of non-Maori child deaths that statistically happen just as often.

    We are outraged and have expressed this outrage and have called on Iwi leaders to take control of leading solutions. I guess those statements are not news worthy enough for mainstream media though they have been picked up by Maori Media.

    I trust before you again make assumptions on our stance and actions you might take the time to ask first what our stance is.

    • phronesis

      Complete and utter denial it is then.

    • Just me

      Deluded – the woman is completely deluded. They do not happen as often. Maori can’t admit there is a problem – period.

    • Just me

      Learning from Tragedy: Homicide within Families in New Zealand
      2002-2006, Prepared by Jennifer Martin & Rhonda Pritchard
      PUBLISHED BY MSD

      “Childe homicides

      There were 35 child homicide events with 38 victims and 43 perpetrators in the five-year period between 2002 and 2006. In 20 of the events the children died as a result of physical assault whether or not the perpetrator intended to kill the child.

      Eighteen of the child victims were Māori, 15 were New Zealand European, four were Pacific peoples and one was Asian. Sixteen of the perpetrators were Māori, 19 were New Zealand European, five were Pacific peoples and one was Asian. The ethnicity of two of the perpetrators was not known.”

      Not only are they more likely to be Maori victims – but perpetrators. That’s not even adjusted for population weightings. Send that back to the deluded old bat!

      • Dave

        For an alcoholic to even start to recover, they need to utter a few words, accept it and believe it. I AM AN ALCOHOLIC. Likewise, Maori firstly need to accept they have a problem. WE ARE VIOLENT CHILD ABUSERS AND KILLERS. Then they can start to act. Guarantee they wont accept it, just more of the racist card.

    • Dave

      Even IF the deaths and serious beatings are 50/50, we need to balance that against the population base, Maori are 16% of the entire population, Pakeha make up around 70%, this alone puts the rate of child abuse / death at around 4 times that of Pakeha, and there is the issue.

      Nobody is denying the issue reaches all sectors of society, but as an example, the Asian population in NZ is very similar to Maori, yet their death and injury rate is very very low, why is that?

      • Graham Pilgrim

        The Ministry of Justice has the figures. If one adds Pacific Islanders and every other non-Maori together, then the totals are about equal.

        If one adds Pacific Islanders to Maori, (after all, they are Polynesian), then the imbalance is appalling.

    • Wheninrome

      Perhaps they did not “identify” as maori, now that woulld change the picture. Perhaps it was the other part of their genetic makeup that was committing the crime, perhaps they only identify as maori when there is money (sorry koha) involved.

    • waldopepper

      “This is a whole of population problem that we are at the forefront tackling while this cartoonists racist and thoughtless depiction makes light and incorrect assumptions.”

      unfortunately thats not what the figures say.

      “We are outraged and have expressed this outrage and have called on Iwi leaders to take control of leading solutions.”

      yep, lets talk about it for another 20 years shall we rather than actually do anything about it. maori are constantly on “a journey”. its always about “the journey”. i can help notice though that despite always being on this “journey” they never seem to get anywhere.

    • MarcWills

      This reply which seems to sum up the whole “it’s not our responsibility” attitude should be more widely promoted. Truly sickening, and this is from a Maori “leader”? If I was Flavell, I would be asking for her resignation tomorrow, and make an apology for her misrepresenting the Maori Party policy and mana.

  • Martin

    Perhaps we need a white ribbon campaign that includes children and men instead of just women?
    I know feminists often hate men and aren’t that fond of children when they impair the ability of women to do, like whatever without consequence, but it’s the elephant in the room for me.
    I also think it’s worth repeating one of the Child Matters’ sayings: “people say ‘what if I’m wrong?’ when they should think: ‘what if I’m right?'”

  • Curly1952

    And unfortunately the “Anti smacking” bill was supposed to stop this type of behaviour.
    All clear thinking Kiwis knew this wouldn’t stop and all it has done is make it quite difficult for good parents to discipline their children. I don’t mean hurt them but the odd little pat on the hand or backside never did anyone any harm.

  • Dave

    There is so much more to come out in the Moko case, a lot more.

    The Ta Moko story continues, and I have to ask the question, is this another silencing by Maori that we have seen in the Nia Glassie and Kahui twins case to protect their own, incompetence, or butt covering, or just a Maori Social worker forgetting- oops, nothing to see here move on.

    I quote from a Stuff article: “Te Whare Oranga Wairua Maori Women’s Refuge has reversed its position on a social worker’s comment that they questioned abuser Tania Shailer about claims she was violent toward Moko before his death, saying the worker was “confused” when interviewed” I suggest people read the Stuff article (link below) but the next part points to some form of changed mind or fabrication going on…….

    “Fairfax Waikato Editor in Chief Jonathan MacKenzie said the organisation stood by its reporting and coverage of the case. We deal in facts. We have a recorded interview in which Ms Te Tomo said, unprompted, that Women’s Refuge questioned Tania Shailer about possible abuse from her towards Moko. For them to now say that our story was wrong because they have changed their mind is concerning,” MacKenzie said. MacKenzie noted that a scheduled interview with Marama had subsequently been cancelled”.

    So much MORE to come out, so many holes in peoples stories.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/80104393/womens-refuge-backtrack-on-abuse-story

    Once again, if this is read with the strong statement from CYFS, it can reasonably assumed, there is so much more to this story.

    http://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-our-work/newsroom/2016/cyf-statement-to-tv3-regarding-moko-rangitoheriri.html

  • Vutekno

    The “Anti Smackng ” bill has no impact at all on those that choose to ignore the law anyway as these two awful low life’s chose to do.

    Like many “laws” of this type they only impact on people that will normally live within such laws anyway. Unfortunately as those that govern us make more silly laws, directed at those that will ignore them, good people will become more resentful and at times ignore them. IMO.

    • cows4me

      The anti smacking bill had nothing to do with stopping child abuse, it was social engineering where the state flexed it’s muscles. The state basically said they know better than us and we shall surrender our parental rights to them. It’s simply a nasty bit of Marxist nonsense brought to us by either very evil people or very seriously deluded people. It’s law designed to break down the family unit and create disorder, seems to be working just fine.

      • Vutekno

        Well put IMO Cows. I completely agree with you. The troubling thing is that such stupid laws are now supported by a National government.

      • Nyla

        cowdust !!! excuse the pun

      • Old Chook

        The anti- smacking bill was never going to stop these ferals beating their kids. Sadly, the ones that actually die are only the tip of the iceberg. I suspect that thousands of children live in perpetual fear every day.

        I was brought up without ever being hit by my parents or older siblings, but I always thought that if I overstepped the mark, it might happen. Closest I ever came was when my father told me that if I didn’t behave, my mother would smack me. Likewise our children were never physically disciplined (Old Rooster, who had a physically punitive up-bringing was too scared of me to touch the kids -ha), but again they always knew, push too far and it might happen. I taught in the time where teachers were allowed to physically discipline children Because of my beliefs and own up bringing I chose not to use this type of discipline.

        Rationale: If you think a young person needs to be smacked, do so, but hit only when you are not frustrated or angry and only in he same circumstances that you would hit another adult for doing the same thing.

    • Nyla

      everyone has a different take on what a smack or disciplining is, I smack with open hand on the leg, next person will smack on the head (open or closed is dangerous), next one will use closed fist anywhere … the law gives the police the right to take action … those that use fists will tell you theyre disciplining their naughty child … Over heard “I told you not to get drunk” as the mother punched 10 yr old in the head … the police tried to stop her so she punched the officer … “Hes my son and I was smacking him, he didnt listen”

  • McGrath

    Those on the unemployment benefit need to have their children checked every two months as part of benefit conditions.

    • Michelle

      drug tested monthly to receive any benefit and no more children while on any benefit

      • johnandali

        Absolutely !!! This should apply to all welfare beneficiaries.

        • Michelle

          Yes totally agree as workers have to be drug tested to earn their wages, so why do the beneficiaries get a free pass

  • Just me

    TITLE:
    Death and serious injury from assault of children aged under 5 years in Aotearoa New
    Zealand: A review of international literature and recent findings
    June 2009
    Authors: Mavis J Duncanson, Don A R Smith, Emma Davies

    A publication commissioned by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner

    Ethnicity of child as a risk factor : “In New Zealand Maori ethnicity is a static risk factor associated with a sixfold increase in risk of serious injury or death from assault for male children and a threefold increase in risk for female children.”

    Other risk factors – young paternal age, multiple children etc.etc.
    A recipe for the bludgers and no hopers.
    Stop paying them to have kids for a start – that will cut the numbers across the board.

    This is problem for New Zealand – but a problem of significant proportions for Maori. A warrior culture in denial.

    • johnandali

      The Maoris keep claiming money and land from the NZ government under the auspices of the Treaty. Perhaps disadvantaged Maori kids should start claiming money and land from their tribes on the grounds that the protection and support they should have received from their wealthy tribal leaders was denied to them.

  • RightofSingapore

    I’m not sure pleading guilty ti manslaughter as part of plea deal made by a gutless Prosecutor’s office is accepting responsibility Ms Tolley. If they were serious, they would have pleaded guilty to murder.

    • johnandali

      So why did the Judge accept the manslaughter plea? Or did the prosecution support it too?

      • RightofSingapore

        Because he’s gutless and out of touch.

      • Uncle Bully

        yes, I believe they did, on the basis the bird in the hand is worth two in the bush….

      • MarcWills

        The judge had no choice – it was presented to him/her pre-trial and by law, he/she had to accept the plea bargain negotiated by the Crown lawyers.

  • kereru

    His son was meant to be the inspiration for changing New Zealand’s appalling record of child abuse. But James Whakaruru’s father says the recent death of Moko Rangitoheriri shows little has altered in the past 17 years.

    Campus, who now lives in Melbourne, was just 16 when James was born on June 13, 1994. He’s the first to say he wasn’t a saint, but he has turned his life around, tidied up his act, and has raised five children since having James. Both Haerewas were found guilty not of murder but of manslaughter. However, Campus has no doubt the level of abuse in both cases was intentional, and he believes the convictions should have been for murder.

    James, who died in 1999, would have been 22 next month. Dad Kevin Campus knows that, every time another child dies in a similar horrific fashion, James’s name will be raised again. Campus, now 39, backs the “March for Moko”, taking place outside the High Court at Rotorua on June 27, the day Haerewa and partner Tania Shailer are due to be sentenced.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/80077933/james-whakarurus-father-kevin-campus-backs-the-march-for-moko

    • Jimmie

      Maybe they should make death that results from people intending to cause Grievous Bodily Harm (especially in children) another form of Murder.

      Give it a similar sentence structure to normal Murder if not more due to the vulnerability of the children.

  • Graham Pilgrim

    And now she is blaming Paula Bennett:

    “The statement I made regarding abuse and murder came from a statement made by Paula Bennett.”

  • Mike

    Seriously, this case makes my blood boil. These namby-pamby Labour-voting chardonnay-swilling leftie commie Big Brother judges pass these soft-cock sentences for people who have abused children to death or raped three year olds while on meth (as if that’s an excuse), and they’re probably the same people who get outraged about “racist cartoons”. The pendulum has swung too far. It’s 1984. It’s George Orwell’s vision of a society turned upside down, a society gone mad.

    In my opinion these child-killing animals should be taken out back and shot in the head. Oops, I bet I just triggered a few people and violated a few university safe spaces with that statement. I should be frog-marched out the room and made to apologise, recant, and hang my head in shame for being racist (for speaking the truth).

  • Oh Please

    Surely all they need to do is pass an anti-smacking law. Oh, wait…

  • waldopepper

    i hate to say it but it may just be time for us all to leave maori to it. we seem to care about their kids more than they do, yet all we get for our trouble is abuse and calls of racism. with social media and the like there is a perception there that we can “fix the world”, so why not help maori as part of that. but i just dont think its possible – certainly not while they remain in denial. might be time to care about those you love and those you can actually help, rather than wasting time and emotional effort on those that are determined not to be helped.

  • waldopepper

    good on anne tolley. put the blame fairly and bloody squarely where it lies. about time someone in power said it. now if we can get them to do the same with a few other issues, and change towards people being responsible for their actions, i think we will be on the right track.

  • andrewo

    If the politicians really want to make an impact then they should stop paying the ‘gutter class’ to produce children. It’s DPB money they want, not children.

    They have a list of who is ‘at risk’. So offer cash for long term contraception. It will save a fortune in the long term.

  • D-Rad

    I think mandatory death (will never happen so life in prison then) for anyone who is convicted of child abuse (this will need to be a crime on the statute book) and 10 years for anyone who doesn’t report it? Thoughts?

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