Transgender school toilet for a 6-year-old. No, not in the USA, in New Zealand

A popular Auckland primary school has been praised for installing a unisex toilet to help a 6-year-old transgender pupil feel safe and accepted.

The toilet was installed earlier this year with the support of the Board of Trustees and the Education Ministry after the child’s transition from boy to girl.

The Herald on Sunday has chosen not to name the school to protect the child’s privacy. Sources said that school-mates have happily accepted the child’s transition and parents who know the girl have also been supportive.

The school’s board chairman said their decision was about supporting a pupil. “We have a policy of safety around identity and culture, and that includes gender. We feel strongly that every child deserves to feel safe in the school environment.”

Other parents were not told, just as they would not be told about other measures taken to support a child, he said.

“I believe our parent community supports diversity [anyway]. It’s a child who identifies as a different gender than the one they were born with.

“There’s nothing scary about that, there’s nothing unusual about that. It’s been happening since the beginning of human kind. We are just more aware of it now, and we’re making sure [those transitioning] are safe.

“I’m proud to be part of a school that says ‘it’s okay to be who you are and we are going to make sure you get the best education, without worrying about anything else’.”

This whole thing fails the logic test on so many levels, it hurts my head.

One.  If it is a unisex toilet for this transgender six-year-old, that means both boys and girls can go in as well.  So either the child feels comfortable with this or it doesn’t.  If it does, it could have gone to whatever toilet it wanted to go to in the first place, just pick boys or girls.  If it doesn’t, then it shouldn’t have been made a unisex toilet.

Next.  School camp.  Will there be unisex sleeping arrangements?  What if the facilities they camp at don’t have a special toilet for the six-year-old.  Has anyone, EVER, insisted on a women’s longdrop?  Or men’s?  Or do we all suddenly forget those ridiculous decisions when we’re out among nature.

Swimming.  Off to the local swimming pool.  Do they now have to have a men’s a women’s and a unisex changing area?

This whole process is quickly solved by going the other way.  By not trying to define sexuality down to all its experienced variances and then making a toilet for each.

The solution lies in making toilets unisex for everyone.

It does my head in that this is such a thing with toilets, but when it comes to changing areas for PE or the pool, when kids are actually going to be naked with other kids, that’s no problem.  Or less of a problem than a toilet.

I need a lie down.

 

– NZ Herald

 


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  • Cadwallader

    “The school supports diversity.” Championing a debatable difference is not supporting diversity but it is allowing for a parent’s perversity.

  • Wheninrome

    This is not about a 6 year old child thinking it it is either a boy or a girl, that has gone on for years, I identified as a boy when I was that age I preferred to do “boy” things, although I didn’t mind dressing up as well.
    This is about precious parents who are scared they are going to “damage” their child for life. All they are doing is creating a very confused child. The child is SIX for heavens sake. It has a long way to go before it really know what is what or who it is. Why can they not let it just be a child and not make a thing about it.
    Get the psychiatrists ready for this one down the track. The school also could be sued later, if it were the USA definitely for aiding and abetting the individual’s future health issues.

    • Doc45

      Its the parents who need the psychiatrists.

    • kereru

      ‘Why can they not let it just be a child and not make a thing about it.’

      Exactly. When I was a child my best friends (boy and girl) had a box of cars which we all played with, and I had a clockwork train with 2 carriages. We all loved to dress the cat up in a baby’s nightie and bonnet and push him around in a doll’s pram (poor thing). I also had a home-made dolls’ house and a toy oven, enjoyed drawing and anything ‘arty’, went to ballet classes, but also got dirty and climbed trees and went on ‘adventures’.

      Our two granddaughters (who have an older brother) differ. One is very feminine, a gentle soul, artistic, likes to please, and loves fairies and dancing, and the other is totally unafraid and will climb the highest structure chasing after her brother, a bit of a hard case and very strong willed. But she will play for hours with her Sylvanian Families, takes them for rides in their people mover and talks to them all the time, likes dressing up, art and craft, and goes with big sister to ballet classes. The boy enjoys playing sport, and is very good at it, he also goes to piano lessons. They’re all great swimmers and happy at school. Why spoil things by making them self-conscious and introducing the idea that sexually they may not be who they think they are? That definitely qualifies for child abuse.

      I thought people getting cross that toy shops were divided into boys’ and girls’ sections was stupid enough. Practically speaking, if you’re looking for something for a child you’d rather go straight to the section in the shop, not have to hunt for ‘Monster’ Lego and dinosaurs among the baby dolls and Barbies. Unless a child is born as a hermaphrodite, there is no reason whatsoever for jumping to conclusions about their future ‘identity’. What’s coming next, men’s and women’s clothes in one department? Do us girls have to go to the tools department to find craft or sewing supplies? The whole thing is sheer lunacy.

  • Gazza

    I wish that they had named the school, although I am a 49yo male from NZ and 6′ tall, I ‘feel’ like a 7yo female from Somalia and 3’6″, so on that basis and the schools policy on diversity I should be able to enrol at the school…..muppets

  • localnews

    And yet every school, shopping centre, and swimming pool has handicap toilets, but these can’t be used in this case.

    • Oh good god.. good point. We need transgender handicapped toilets as well.

  • Usaywot

    This nonsense is getting completely out of hand. Does a six year old really think about what gender they are to start with? This all smacks of getting on a fashionable band wagon like being gluten free and having a thousand allergies. Before I get screamed at I know allergies can be serious but, come on, now kids are forbidden to take so many normal foods in their lunch boxes isn’t about time someone did extensive research into why this is now an issue. I don’t recall any of these problems when I went to school.

    • biscuit barrel

      What about if that child has both ?

  • Doc45

    The leading schools/kindergarten in Sweden refuse to identify any gender difference. All children are known a “hen”. Boys who play with dolls are praised and vice versa. “Hen” will be added to “han” (he) and “hon” (she) as one of 13,000 new words in the latest edition of the Swedish Academy’s SAOL. The Equality Ombudsman (oops – Ombudsperson) is currently considering taking action against schools who do not conform.

    • OneTrack

      Sweden is other, bar the shouting. We don’t need any more lessons from them.

    • Old Dig

      Wow, and they think Muslim ‘refugees’ are happily going to integrate into that?

  • kiwisnab

    I went to the Herald this morning looking for news, how mistaken I was. There is an article on a Tomgirl (this is a word from my childhood that I feel needs more use in this day and age) getting her/it’s/his own toilet. You have to ask your self does a 6 year old approach the principal to build a toilet?? I have a sneaking suspicion there is some just as precious parents here pushing this along.

    • Woody

      The whole thing is a created issue pushed by strange people with an even stranger outlook on life. Unfortunately these same weirdos know with absolute certainty that they must convert the way the world works to their twisted view of normal. 6 year olds have difficulty with hard facts, never mind subjective concepts such as sexuality.

  • LesleyNZ

    6 years old. What kind of direction and what kind of parenting has been given to this child who is not long out of nappies. This school should be named. Are not the rights and comfortableness of the other children and parents just as important? I would not want any of my children attending a school where there is a unisex toilet and using it so I would want to know which school has this ridiculous policy. Not only do parents need to check out the standard of education that the school has -they now have to check out what kind of toilets the school has. This madness is a direct instruction/campaign from the UN as it is happening all over the world at the same time.

  • Get ready people. This is just the start. We’ll have our first transgender safespace before you know it.

    • Woody

      I need a safespace away from these idiots.

      • Miss McGerkinshaw

        I’m starting to feel exceptionally lucky that I’m nearer the end than the beginning of the journey of life so hopefully will miss most of what’s coming. Talk about doing my head in.

        • kereru

          I worry about what it’s going to be like for our children and grandchildren. How much worse is it going to get?

          • Miss McGerkinshaw

            I dread to think how much worse it could get as every time I think ‘OK it can’t get any worse’ it does!
            Quite frankly daily I feel ever more positive about my choice not to have children.
            Thus I am a little removed from that worry – selfish I suppose and whilst I do care for future generations but as don’t have any skin in the game so to speak more academic than personal.

    • KatB

      Are you talking about on WO? Are you preparing us for an announcement?

    • RightofSingapore

      We’ll also end up with a taxpayer funded Ministry of Transgender Affairs

      • biscuit barrel

        There is a Minister of Racing ( The horsey kind) so why not

    • Orange

      We do already. :(
      The problem at schools is, already, girls don’t like boys with dresses in the changing room with them. It’s not about “hating the person” or anything. They just don’t appreciate the penis being there. They don’t like getting beaten up by them either and then having the perp “protected” by the establishment for being special. Individual toilet rooms are not male/female specific, but at schools most toilets are larger rooms with non-particularly-private cubicles.

    • Brian Dingwall

      This story from Canada, if true, indicates where we are going. A dad is ordered by the court to treat his 11 year old daughter as a boy, and not to interfere with hormone treatment that inhibits her from maturing into a woman.
      https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/court-orders-dad-to-start-treating-his-11-year-old-daughter-as-a-boy1

  • spanishbride

    Homosexuals have existed forever but transgender is a totally new, dare I say it made up condition that has only recently become trendy and fashionable. I seriously question its legitimacy.If it does really exist my gut feeling is that it is a mental disorder or a totally normal pre pubescent occurrence that has been given a new title.
    I was a serious Tom boy until I was 13 and developed my first crush on a boy. In today’s world I suspect I would have been labelled transgender and encouraged to identify as a boy.

    • Damon Mudgway

      My thoughts exactly SB, there are thousands of tomboys throughout the country, who still mature to become happy women in the skin they were given. At 6 years old the main issue I can see here is that of the parents making their minds up about their child’s sexuality before the child has a chance, or even the necessity to do so. This is cart before the horse material, and simply irresponsible.

    • Teletubby

      Once upon a time homosexuality was also considered an illness that could be cured. I think there are genuinely people out there whose brains are wired for the other gender but there is no way that a 6 year old possesses the rational thought process to decide they are transgender. Sadly this sounds like parents projecting their beliefs on a boy who likes to play with dolls

    • SaggyNaggy

      Well honestly I don’t differentiate between the two. As an adult, how one acts on one’s sexual impulses and how one self-identifies are a personal choice. But children are incapable of making such choices, and adults should not be serving any adult agenda by imposing an alternate gender or sexuality on the child. Those things are simply not part of childhood, and if a child of six is wanting to be a different gender than their body parts suggest, common sense suggests that there’s far less harm in gently steering them back to what nature has given then than there is entertaining what may only be a whim.

      • biscuit barrel

        Children can be born with both genitals, what direction does your gentle steer do then, oh thats right a middle ground

        • Big_Al

          Yes they can and these children are known as hermaphrodites. General opinion is that the parents should wait untill the child has reached puberty untill addressing any options. Also, another opinion is that nothing should be done and to let the person concerned make their own decision as to which sex they want to go with when they are adults.
          P.S. Busciut Barrel, please ignore the down button as i hit it accidently and can’t change it.

          • kereru

            Just click it again, Big_Al and it should disappear..

          • Big_Al

            Thanks Kereru, that was my bad. I’ve just learnt from that because i don’t and won’t down vote anyone.

          • kereru

            I sometimes catch the down arrow when intending to click ‘reply’. Lots of experience in getting rid of it! ;-)

        • SaggyNaggy

          Hermaphrodites are very rare, and frankly, that’s not what we are talking about. We are talking about people who feel they are something different, not people who genuinely do have “options” in a physical sense.

          • biscuit barrel

            Full hermaphrodites maybe, but its unusual to be clear cut.

            “It would be one of two per 1000 births who would need some sort of surgery.”

            With 64,000 births in NZ a year, that would be approx 100 kids each year. What were you saying about very rare?

            ” If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won’t show up until later in life.”

            http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency

          • SaggyNaggy

            I could be wrong about this, but isn’t it simply an issue of whether they have Y chromosomes or not? Or is that unclear with hermaphrodites?

  • Union Jack

    This is simply just parents pushing their own beliefs on the child and the school to push their own twisted deviant agenda.
    This madness will just get worst if sane people don’t push back and resist this crap.

  • BR

    Holy crap! A six year old “transgender”? What is that all about? What sort of parents would induct their child into such a distorted sense of identity? Perverted parents raising a pervert with full co-operation of the the school. The school should be named so that other parents could make sure their kids never set foot in the place.

    Bill.

    • biscuit barrel

      We have 100 kids born a year who have some sort of genital ambiguity who require surgery, many others may only be ambiguous in genes or internal organs.
      The perversion is for parents to decide early what the childs gender indentity is when the medical information is ‘not sure’

      • BR

        How can medical information be “not sure” when every cell in a male body is male, and every cell in a female body is female?

        Are you trying to justify this?

        Bill.

  • Ravan

    Readers should, they really, really should, look at– incogman.com–sick of the BS– on this BS and much more!

    • spanishbride

      That link is to a horrible site. They are raving racist and anti homosexual nutters over there. There is no rational debate just nastiness. I do not recommend that readers click on that link.

  • spanishbride

    That is a very strange cultural tradition as these Fafa’s are made not born. How on earth do they override a person’s biological urges by bringing them up as the opposite sex? I would be interested to know if these Fafa’s have sex with men or women.

    • rexabus

      I wonder if it’s a bit like the boys who are still used as catamites in some middle eastern countries. Cultivated to fulfil the proclivities of some of the men in those cultures

    • biscuit barrel

      Its the reverse, the child wants to be like the girls. The biological urge doesnt match the bits.

    • Orange

      As far as I understand it’s just a fashion of growing up. They have normal sexual relationships and families once grown up.

      • biscuit barrel

        have you never been to K Rd ?

      • biscuit barrel

        Not so. What you have said is completely wrong.

        “Fa’afafine are accepted as feminine, but they may also undertake masculine tasks or fulfil men’s roles. Fa’afafine often remain in their family homes and care for their parents.”
        http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/gender-diversity/page-3

  • Chris Fleming

    Do we know of if the parents are male and female?

  • David Moore

    I do worry a bit about the mental health problems this movement will generate. Transgenders kill themselves at staggering rates and all I can see this current path creating is a lot more people with deep problems with their identity, mostly created by people projecting their complexes onto them.

  • Big_Al

    What is wrong with having all toilets etc labeled as “Unisex” Some already are and they work fine. Us guys would just have to remember to put the seat back down.

    • David Moore

      Yes, this the simple solution, just get rid of gendered bathrooms. But of course that is not the objective, they are trying to create issues, not solve them.

    • Orange

      School bathrooms (toilet blocks) are large rooms with cubicle panels that only partially separate the area up.

      • Big_Al

        Yes, but i’m sure it would more cost effective to modify the partitions to full height than to build new and separate toilet blocks for transgender only. The plumbing costs would outweigh the building alterations.

  • Wheninrome

    Let’s not buy into this and offer solutions for this poor unfortunate child who was not able to choose its parents.
    plain and simple this is child abuse, it is far far wose than a parent making choices for their child as they are too young to make their own choices.

    • biscuit barrel

      What happens if the child has both genitals and they are just waiting for the child to choose the one that they really really want.
      Once they were operated on and the decision made for them, often with huge consequences for the rest of their life.

      • Orange

        Do you know how many that applies to? Hint: despite what you think, the actual number is very very small. Decisions are not “made for them” in those cases anyway. It’s made by them – by their genetic code.

        • biscuit barrel

          geneticist are you ? It doesnt make sense to me as I dont have any confusion, but enough do say despite what the ‘genetic code’ as you call it, they identify as female. ( and reverse).
          Biologists do say the genetic code is hard wired to start us all as women, and then something changes to make a proportion men. And for some that part gets stuck somehow. Dont quote me that as its only from memory.
          Your theory may work for single and simple cell organisms

          • biscuit barrel

            “Best Answer: Yes all fetuses start out is female, though they are already male or female at the DNA level. Actually all fetuses start out as tadpoles more or less. The changes occur if the fetus creates certain male hormones, which sometimes doesn’t happen in a baby that is male DNA wise, and sometimes does happen in a fetus that is female DNA wise. ”
            http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2789.h

            Clearly there is a lot more going on than you said, and overwhelming evidence is that its more often scrambled than you think.

        • biscuit barrel

          I looked it up, with 64000 births in NZ its around 100 per year, every year. ( external surgery only required)
          More are born with other indications where the medical views are ‘ not sure’ when they ask , boy or girl.

  • SaggyNaggy

    I don’t think this sort of child abuse should be encouraged under any circumstances.

    • biscuit barrel

      Funny you should ask, but thats a problem for women only colleges in US, where some women then identify as men. Then it becomes gender politics, we dont want to go there for adults.

  • biscuit barrel

    A small number of kids are born with both genitals, once that was decided for them by surgery when young.
    Now thats not appropriate any more, and I think this is the situation here, that they wait till the child decides which gender they want.

    • Mark

      A small number of children are born conjoined with their sibling. Should we cater to all birth defects?

      • biscuit barrel

        I had a cousin who had a heart defect at birth, it was called hole in heart back then. of course surgery is available to correct it, as it is for those 100 or so kids who are born ‘ in between’ but which sex to you choose for a young child ?
        The compassionate thing now is wait and see.

  • Ford

    How would single sex schools handle this?

  • Eiselmann

    When I was six I knew boys played fun games and girls didn’t.
    I knew that girls had long hair and wore dresses and boys didn’t.
    I knew that boys got to play with really neat toys and girls got silly doll houses.
    At six I knew girls could bite and scratch and that boys mostly didn’t do that.

    Yes at six I knew it all….except what the difference was between a boy and a girl…what six year old does….er did.

  • Usaywot

    I blame Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie who have determinedly brought up one of their daughters as a boy since she was about 3. I ask you, what 3 year old has a gender identity crisis? The less intelligent of our society who hang on every trend and every fashion from film stars and the like think their kid should be trans as well, after all it gets heaps of coverage for the Pitts in the gossip magazines.

    • anniem

      Anyone who models any part of their life on anything that Angelina Jolie does seriously needs their head read. Is there nothing this mad woman won’t do for attention? Using your children for additional “Look at me” is just plain wrong.

  • kereru

    I thought people getting cross that toy shops were divided into boys’ and girls’ sections was stupid enough. Practically speaking, if you’re looking for something for a child you’d rather go straight to the section in the shop, not have to hunt for ‘Monster’ Lego and dinosaurs among the baby dolls and Barbies. What’s coming next, men’s and women’s clothes in one department? Do us girls have to go to the tools department to find craft or sewing supplies and vice-versa? The whole thing is sheer lunacy.

  • Left Right Out

    “The Herald on Sunday has chosen not to name the school to protect the child’s privacy. “…. Hager will release the details it’s what he does

    But seriously… how on earth does a 6yo know anything about want to change sex? this sort of carry on is just ridiculous and I would bet that the school is acting out of fear

    • biscuit barrel

      100 kids a year in NZ are both with part or all external bits of both sexes. Whats your solution for them?

      • MrHippo

        Crumbs, I see that from what you imply the rate in NZ would appear to be 2x to 3x that of the U.S. Must be something in the water here…

      • Left Right Out

        I’m not disputing there are kids in NZ that are transgender….. I’m raising an eyebrow over a 6yo. My child has just turned 7 and as a 6yo they were only introduced at school to the parts of boys and girls…… I have a mate who son wanted to have a fairy 6th birthday party, but I doubt he’s transgender. When these kids go through puberty they will have a much better idea of who they are….. but not at 6

  • anniem

    I was not impressed when I saw this item in the Herald. And as for the bloody paper saying (ever so piously) that they have “chosen not to name the school” it would have been a lot better if they had chosen NOT TO WRITE THE ARTICLE! Why is this news? why is it up for discussion? Why are we even talking about it? Is nothing allowed to happen below the radar these days?

    • Union Jack

      Was this a good use of taxpayers money?.
      Personally I think it is ridiculous.

      • anniem

        Taxpayers money? Yes originally, but it would have come out of the school’s maintenance budget so it is up to the school to decide if they want to spend it on an extra loo.

        • Union Jack

          Yes absolutely but equally if the school decided to build a safe space for people with ginger hair out of their maintenance budget then I would say this is ridiculous as well.
          It still comes out of our pocket at the end of the day.

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