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  • Nechtan

    Born today in 1946 Bill Kreutzmann drummer with The Grateful Dead.

    Today in 1971 The Rolling Stones released “Brown Sugar” in the US.

    Today in 1977 “Hotel California” became the Eagles’ 4th US number 1.

    • Nige.

      ^x10 for the Dead heads

  • Carl

    ….

    • hookerphil

      Ah Carl – Number 11 – It is possible, I am very much so.

      • Carl

        I know Phil, I enjoyed the others just as much but some will agree with number 11.

      • GoingRight

        We are also very much so. Just celebrated our 40th wedding anniversary with all the family, 12 of us for 5 days in Fiji. Funny thing was we both bought each other the same card, and there were lots to choose from – his was bought at paper plus, mine from whittcoulls. We both laughed when we opened them, after all these years we are ‘as one’!

    • D.Dave

      What about military intelligence?

      • Nechtan

        Precision bombing?

      • hookerphil

        Fair Sport?

  • Nige.

    Mark answered last nights question with:

    “‘id quite like a cactus”

    What is your favourite plant/tree?

    • hookerphil

      Rhododendrons, azaleas and roses – how traditional is that – populars at a distance in the autumn, golden elm anytime.
      I have presumed your “PLSANT” was Plants so you have plenty even though tree was not trees.

      • Nige.

        yes that was the rough draught to try and beat carl and nechtan because they keep beating me.

        I have since edited.

      • Huia

        You are right, those are beautiful.
        Pukeiti when they are in full flush is gorgeous.
        I love the colour’s in the Azalea Mollis’s too.

    • Sagacious Blonde

      I’d quite like Cactus Kate back.

    • Justme

      I love NZ Natives. The Nikau, Kauri, Rimu, Matai, Puriri, Kahikatea.

      • Goldie

        Yes, you just can’t beat walking through a proper NZ native forest, with a canopy of the trees you mention, and the ground covered with ferns and moss, just beautiful.

    • Nechtan

      Mark was telling us what to plant under windows, can’t fault a cactus for that, but I raise you a Bougainvillea (they have some serious spines).

    • Jude

      The plants I enjoy growing at the moment are my Vegetables. The spinach and silverbeat are doing so well. The brocoli have huge leaves but still no head coming through. I will keep my fingers crossed !

    • Chris EM

      Kowhai, graceful, and I love how they look in the rain when the branches become dark and contrast with the pale green leaves.

    • Michelle

      favourite tree would have to be Rimu

      • Frank N Further

        Rimu can be a bit smokey and soots up your chimney when you use it for fire wood.

        • Michelle

          that is why we use totara, gum and macrocapa on the fire

          • Jafarma

            If the question was which one smells the best you can’t beat freshly sawn macrocarpa

          • Michelle

            yes it is a nice smell and burns really well
            gum is great for a hot fire on a cold night to get the heat into the house

          • AL357

            Rata is great too – my father used to pull them out of the river bed or get windfalls – fantastic burning.

          • Michelle

            not many rata here l have only found one and the possums give it hell
            Some big rewarewa, l love their flowers they are like brown bottle brushes

        • Huia

          Great for wood turning though.
          If I tell Mr Huia you are burning Rimu on the fire I’m sure he will cry. He cant get enough of it to turn.

      • WeaselKiss

        Love a good straight totara, like the ones they used to make car-noes out of.

        • Michelle

          we have some beautiful ones here they are very tall and straight
          Unlike the ones we prune up for firewood they are gnarly and taking up too much of the paddock

          • WeaselKiss

            Know what you mean Michelle.
            We had quite a lot of bush on our place but nothing remotely useful one could make a boat out of.
            Which brings me to one of my fave jokes about canoes.
            Do you mind?
            Tim the Tool man went outside into his back yard where he could hear Wilson tap-tapping away with an adze on a big log.
            ‘Hey Wilson, what are you up to”?
            “Well Tim I’m making a canoe”.
            “Gee, that must be hard”?
            “Oh no, you just take a big log a chip away everything that is NOT a canoe”.

          • Michelle

            they are really big round trees and look impressive
            might get a kayak out of them but not going to cut them down
            they may be the same age as the kauri tree mentioned here ;-)

    • Left Right Out

      I have a 130yr pear tree in my backyard that I’m quite fond of. I just love that it has survived, still produces fruit, has a swing for my kids and they get to climb it…… she’s a grand old tree

    • Effluent

      I’d quite like a triffid to put next to my desk, if anyone knows where I can find one.

      • Wheninrome

        Those were the days of the ………. a great book

    • Absolutely adore trees. Don’t have a single favourite. Just like to be in native forests. Feels like home to me.

      • Nige.

        you old primate you.

        • I actually wrote that without trying to be funny. Heh.

          …and ferns. Love me ferns.

          • And mosses.

          • Lichens

          • Fungi

          • Michelle

            love the colours and shapes of fungi

          • Coral reefs of the forest

          • Michelle

            the ones on the rotting fallen trees have some amazing colours and shapes
            l always come out of the bush feeling refreshed and less stressed

          • KiwiLliz

            What a lovely way of describing them. And you’re so right.

          • AL357

            Just love lancewoods!

          • Michelle

            they are beautiful and their trunks are amazing but they change so much when they get older

          • Miss McGerkinshaw

            To eat!

          • Risky proposition unless you know your stuff. I guess you do.

          • Miss McGerkinshaw

            Nope. I don’t go mushrooming but just figured you being the outdoorsy type would be right into it.
            In Europe, with people who DID know their stuff, it was great fun and great eating.

          • Lux

            We used go mushrooming with dad when we were young and staying on my grandparents farm.

          • In NZ it’s largely not worth it. Compared to European flushes, ours simply don’t provide the volume to make it worth a meal. Field mushrooms excepted, but they are one flush a year and that’s it. And if you don’t get them on the day, the birds and insects will ruin them.

      • Michelle

        and all the noise of the world disappears when you walk into the bush and nice and cool in summer

      • WeaselKiss

        Well, you would say that wouldn’t you.
        Just don’t get your shirt dirty. And be home in time for dinner.

    • I have a 120 year old Kauri that I planted 30 years ago.

      • ex-JAFA

        Is it on private property in Titirangi and occupied by an unemployable Tasmanian?

        • He would get a different reception if he tried that here.

      • Huia

        We have just been in Northland and stopped to pay homage to Tane Mahuta. The Kauri’s really are something else, just magnificent.
        I love the Rata, Kowhai, Nikau, Kaka Beak, Totara, Kaihikatea, Puriri and Rimu as well, but my very firm favourite is the Pohutukawa. The drive up the Thames coast line is wonderful when they are out in full bloom.

    • Brent

      Southern Rata / Nikau palm / Chatham island forget me not

    • Lux

      I love all trees except cactus, we have had quite few and have been getting rid of them slowly, they are hard to deal with. One was even chopped down by an unknown person because apparently you can get out of it, on the juice or something..
      I’m suspecting it was the dodgy greens we had renting the house next door for while.

      • Nige.

        Apparently only slightly out of it. It seems like a whole bunch of halla-ballu to me.

        • Lux

          I rang the police and they told me it happens quite often, and to keep reporting it if it happened again. We have a line of them, they are huge things.
          They have them most amazing flowers .. I forget the name of them. I have a few photos I took for the police I will try and find them.

        • Lux
          • You need a lot of it to get to a useful amount of active ingredient compared to other hallucinogens. Plus the extraction process stinks really badly.*

            *genuinely not me, but a friend told me.

          • Lux

            That why so much was missing then .. they were about 20 foot then or more.. . huge and about 25 cms or more in width..

      • Miss McGerkinshaw

        What always amazes me is how people find these things out, i.e. the first one? What makes one think – Oh I’ll try drinking the juice of a cactus and see what happens?

        • Lux

          There used to be the whole earth catalogue from years ago ..

          My sisters and I found one .. and tried out of few things as teenagers..

          • Miss McGerkinshaw

            Yes but someone had to be the first to trial the stuff to make up the catalogue. Maybe I’m just not curious, or imaginative, enough but I don’t look at an onion say and wonder if I smoked it what would happen.

          • Carl

            If you were lost in a desert and a cactus was the only thing there that might save you would you not try it?

          • Miss McGerkinshaw

            Yes but that would be for survival, not just to see what happens. That said perhaps this is how some of these things are ‘found’.

            But then again not sure what situation I would need to be in to feel that sniffing glue was my only survival action possible?

          • KatB

            I’m thinking onion weed would be a better bet if you’re wanting to smoke it lol.

        • Lux

          Here are a couple of photos of when it they were flowering a couple of years ago.

          • Lux

            I forgot the pics..

          • Miss McGerkinshaw

            Truly magnificent

          • Lux

            I think there is about ten or so of them, so to come out one morning and see a few axed off, was a bit troubling .. then after a while we realised it must be our crusty neighbours, as they would be the only ones who knew they were there.

    • Jafarma

      I’m tempted to just say native as any one of puriri, celery pine, karaka, white pine, southern rata, beech will do me

    • Miss McGerkinshaw

      Kowhai.
      Pretty much for nostalgic reasons as there was one in our front garden when I was growing up and I could see it from my bedroom. Although I do love their appearance too.
      Never noticed any Tuis feeding when I was young, maybe too central city, but in my last home it was a treat to see them.
      Plan plant one here in my mew abode, as well as a Meyer lemon as it’s not a Kiwi home without a Meyer Lemon tree!!!

    • Sponsz

      Pohutukawa.

      For many years I lived overseas and only came back to NZ at Christmas. For me, the pohutukawa with its crimson flowers is synonymous with Christmas, family reunion, summer and beaches.

    • gander

      For something just to look at, Aloe polyphylla. For a plant that produces something edible, a lemonade.

    • Dumrse

      We were lucky enough to have a mature Frangipani. It goes without saying the conditions for it were all in its favour, light loam type soil, sheltered on three sides and north facing. Its intense bouquet it produced was simply stunning.

    • Odd Ball

      Venus flytrap

  • Jude

    My Mum emailed this joke to me . I therefore think it is suitable to share with a wider audience:)

    Three Surgeons.

    Three New York surgeons were playing golf together and discussing surgeries they had performed.

    One of them said, ‘I’m the best surgeon in the state. In my favourite case, a concert pianist lost seven fingers in an accident; I re-attached them, and 8 months later he performed a private concert for the Queen of England’.

    The second surgeon said. ‘That’s nothing. A young man lost an arm and both legs in an accident; I reattached them, and 2 years later he won a gold Medal in track and field events in the Olympics’.

    The third surgeon said, ‘You guys are amateurs. Several years ago a man was high on cocaine and marijuana and he rode a horse head-on into a train, travelling 80 miles an hour. All I had left to work with was the man’s blonde hair and the horse’s arse. I was able to put them together and now he’s running for president of the USA ‘!

    • Wasapilot

      Very good Judes Mum. You could easily change Trump to angry little running for NZ Prime Minister.

      • Jude

        My Mum has a sense of humour and shares a lot of things she come across on the net , with me ! The better ones I like to share with you guys:)

  • Vlad

    If you ever want to get a sense of the shallow campaigning that the Herald pumps out to get media clicks without being real reporters, this is a start:

    A campaign about Family Violence, which is a real and important issue here as elsewhere, is headed with a fraudulent and unsupported claim that we have the worst record in the OECD.

    Then it is illustrated with a first person account of an awful event that actually happened in Bournemouth England and was committed by a pommie thug on a nice girl who spent a small part of her life in NZ. I feel for her family and I feel shame for the no-account reporters or whatever they are who try and connect this to NZ.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11634731

    • Skydog

      The reason why some may say we have the worst family violence record, is because we may have the best method of recording it. I guess many countries out there don’t really give two hoots about dealing with it, so their records will give limited data.

      • crigs

        I would also suggest there are countries that don’t even think it is family violence but a man’s perogative.

  • Wayne Hodge

    Pete, just read your comment. Very well said. I congratulate you and your colleagues on your very responsible approach.

    • Nige.

      As someone with some inside knowledge I have to say that quite often there is far more going on than the (above) average reader will comprehend.

      Petes commitment and foresight is incredible. He is surely doing a better job at what he does than anyone else in this country.

      • Greg M

        You guys have my full support as always. It’s going to be an awesome week, bring it on.

        • Nige.

          oh and Pete and Cam have mine. Im so fired up.

      • Michelle

        Yes this place is the only site that is well moderated and a pleasure to visit and the one place to come to for the real story not the Media party beat up

        You also have my full support, this is a great place and long may it continue

      • XCIA

        Excellent! With all that hard work he must have saved enough by now to reimburse the pubic purse of the funds that he blagged. Show us the money Winston.

      • Cadwallader

        I hope this week turns into a great one, with many things worth discussing at its end.

      • Dave

        With those skills he could be poached by Mediawonks to sort their lot of “stars” out.

      • Miss Phit

        Intrigued now. Pop corn at the ready.

  • DemocKot

    Meetings… Have you ever had to go to boring pointless meetings for work, updating skills etc and listen to someone go on about their favourite subject and wonder how you will survive the meeting? I have for my work as I imagine many of you have as well, so when I saw this video it struck a chord with me.
    It s a grand meeting in Russia of a culture committee (great meeting room though) and all the troughers are making speeches on why they need money. The woman is saying why she needs money and the well known critic next to her knows a lot more than her and is bored, the look on peoples faces is priceless (even Putins) but they all have to “behave” properly in front of the leader. the music goes well with the video subject.

    • Justme

      Sometimes I wonder if some people I work with are paid for the hours they spend in meetings. I am happy for them to do that, but what irks me is when they want to drag me into them; especially the ones about how busy we are, so lets lose another hour of productive time to discuss it.

      • Chris EM

        Yep, I hated meetings in my old job. I believe approximately 100% of them were a waste of productive time.

    • Sponsz

      In an organisation I once worked for we had a senior manager who, I truly believe, had a mental illness or personality disorder of some kind, and held absolutely interminable meetings on any pretext whatever.

      At the beginning of our monthly conference I surreptitiously circulated a sheet of paper and each person wrote down an estimate of the time the meeting would conclude, the person whose guess was closest won a small jackpot.

    • hookerphil

      Try a meeting without chairs, all standing speeds things up.

    • Dave

      Many years ago I learnt a tip for meetings from the Queen, next weeks meeting was interesting, as the team went in to the meeting room they looked baffled. I explained the lesson from the Queen, and then, you each have three minutes to present your summary, I will take three minutes to respond, then a few minutes for updates and my plans for the week.

      The weekly meetings went from over 1.5 hours to just over 30 minutes, the secret was to remove all chairs and everyone had to stand for the meeting. That’s 10 people each saving almost an hour each every week! Without chairs, the team stopped the excess chatter, and surprisingly, everyone arrived dead on time, as we waited standing if anyone was late and had not advised us.

    • Justme

      There was the Dilbert comic strip which covered this very well.
      The boss comes in and advises that they should have a pre planning meeting to prepare for the planning meeting coming up.
      The co-worker looks alarmed and asks if they should have a pre-pre-planning meeting to make sure they get the full benefit of the pre-planning meeting.

    • Platinum Fox

      There was a time about five years ago when I was expected to attend a [pointless] monthly meeting which wasted took 2.5 hours if one particular individual attended and 1.5 hours if a subordinate was sent instead.

  • HunuaRanger

    You know with all this talk of The Cook Islands being a tax haven, I’m getting tempted to look at investing some spare cash over there.
    Has anyone else had this thought recently?

    • Not until you explain what “spare cash” is.

      • HunuaRanger

        Money in Term deposits etc

        • Oh, I have those. Tertiary education funds for my kids. And accrued taxes for you lot.

      • Nige.

        I have conducted a quick survey at home and apparently such a thing does not exist.

      • Huia

        I have $4.70 left from my pension, I would like to put it safely into a tax haven, would the Cooks be interested in my input do you reckon?

    • Wheninrome

      If it is a tax haven then it is to the NZ taxpayers advantage as we will not have to give so much aid. Thereare always other ways of looking at things.

    • jcpry

      My understanding is that the Cooks, in order to retain certain overseas support (EU in particular) had to clean up a lot of the trusts. While the industry still exists it is more likely to be someone hiding funds from a divorce lawyer rather than a corporate hiding income for tax purposes.

    • Greg M

      That “loophole” was closed long ago. It was really simple, and a clear tax avoidance arrangement. To simplify greatly it went like this:
      1. Your company or trust registered in the Cook islands paid income tax of (say) $10 k on the income on paper earned there.
      2. Cook Islands govt would give you a tax certificate saying you had paid $70 k tax, which you then take to another country’s IRD to deduct off your tax obligations in that country.

      Winston Peters was correct in raising the issue at the time, even though his conclusions about the whole thing were in fact mostly wrong.

  • At worst, tax havens are immoral. If people don’t like it, they need to change the law. This Panama Paper thing could very well lead to some law changes around the world, and for that it suits its purpose, and the “anarchists” behind it may very well get a win from that.

    Locally, the desperation to somehow tie Key into this is where the left are just stuffing it up. Again.

    • Chris EM

      The article Stuff have on their site about this hasn’t made it to the most viewed list. I think people have learnt from dirty politics and pony tail.

      • Crowgirl

        I’ve just Googled the recent articles and while many outlets are reporting that John Doe said all this stuff, no one else seems to be reporting the John Key mention. If he’s the only person mentioned in this ‘manifesto’, wouldn’t that be noteworthy to ALL media around the world?

        Or was that bit just slipped into his NZ press release?

        • I read it, and John Key is not the only person mentioned.

          • Crowgirl

            No there’s others mentioned, and other media outlets seem to think there is a stronger link to Obama announcing changes in tax law in the US just before this ‘manifesto’ was produced, than anything to do with John Key.

        • Chris EM

          Exactly, Crowgirl, world wide media would be talking about JK. When I saw Stuff’s headline, I thought what a load of bollocks. Didn’t bother clicking it.

    • Effluent

      One ‘news’ ran this story as their headline item, without actually getting to the point at any time of telling us what appalling crime exactly John Key is supposed to have committed. Just another amateurish smear campaign by the same people who brought us the last one.

      edit – added quotation marks when I realised I had been too generous to TVNZ.

      • Carl
        • Effluent

          I once came across a description of Arnold Schwarzenegger as “looking like a condom full of walnuts”. At the end of your clip, there’s a few seconds of Little Andy, spluttering in synthetic indignation, in which he also resembles said object, and could give Arnie a run for his money!

          • Left Right Out

            The Angry one mentioned that “he’s the only world leader thats been silenced on this issue”…… I, to date, have not heard any other world leader come out talking about the cook islands…..

          • Huia

            What fantasy makes Little Angry Andy a world leader?
            He is (at the moment) a leader for a minor opposition party who are polling terribly in a very small country at the bottom of the world….World leader? I think not.
            The delusion that he is the only “world leader” to be silenced says it all really.
            He is on tv every single night bleating and outraged about some imagined impropriety, so who has supposedly “silenced” the Union hack?

          • Dave

            I add, he has never ever even won his own seat in an election, he remains a scum list MP, and was well down that list.

    • Cadwallader

      The morality or immorality of taxation is a huge topic but I suggest the true immorality arises when politicians spend monies demanded with utter disregard and contempt towards those who pay it. If one can efficiently and legally reduce one’s tax bill then politicians ought not impair this. Let’s remember for a moment the squandering of our money by Cullen to buy back the railways. Would he have done so with his own money or that of his party (if they had it, smirk!) Taxation was introduced to fund the lawful activities of the government but it has become:
      a An instrument to implement social adjustments by forcing those who earn the most to pay the most;
      b A device to buy votes;
      c A slush fund to sue the very people who pay the monies;
      d A superannuation fund for the otherwise unemployable who sit (sometimes unelected) in the House.
      I could go on…

    • RightofSingapore

      Whatsmore immoral is stealing/hacking information and disseminating it publicly.

    • Nebman

      It’s always surprised me that as a rule, it seems accepted that the more wealthy have means of putting their wealth away somewhere, out of the reach of tax systems, yet no single elected official that was ever in a position to do anything about it actually has that I’m aware of. I’m excepting the more obvious tax evasion laws.

      For all the talk from the Left regarding the immorality and implied illegality of this latest fuss, I’ve yet to hear any of them come out and say they will make tax avoidance a criminal act.

      If they won’t then all of this is just smoke and mirrors.

  • “A group of Nelson workers on their lunch break discovered a body in a public toilets on Saturday afternoon.

    The five community workers stopped to have lunch about 12.30pm at Branford Park on Maitai Rd.

    One person from the group used the park’s public toilets and found there was a man unresponsive on the floor.

    His pants were at his ankles, with his eyes and mouth open.”

    Oh dear. Someone’s family is going to have a rough time.

    • Nige.

      he said he wanted to be like elvis

    • gander

      Clearly further investigation is needed and will be done, but I suspect this will turn out to be a natural death with no implication of improper conduct on the part of the deceased.

  • STAG

    After regular and prolonged polling by the Fawns on what birthday cake I wanted.

    This was never in the mix…

    • KGB

      Happy Birthay Stag ?

    • Michelle

      Hope you had a lovely birthday

    • Carl

      6 candles? Or is this just a picture of the cake you will be getting?

      • STAG

        Sadly I am now of an age where there simply isn’t room on the cake anymore.

        • Carl

          Do the 6 candles make any meaning. 6 x 7 =42?

    • Looks like they tried to stab it in the heart

      • STAG

        It’s the only way to kill them.

    • Dave

      Happy birthday.

    • Left Right Out

      They see the Stag as a minion….. well, they are famous I guess Stag

    • Lux

      Happy Birthday .. I hope you had a wonderful day!

  • cows4me

    They can say anything they like to me Pete, won’t work me up as long as they don’t dump on cows.

    • Mike Webber

      All cows should be turned unto beef or dog tucker.

      • cows4me

        May the flees of a thousand camels infest your armpits.

        • Greg M

          Hahaha! I rest my case Judge.^^^

        • Mike Webber

          May all your chooks turn into into emus and kick your dunny down.

    • Greg M

      You will be fine mate. Your demonstrated diplomatic skills and patience when dealing with difficult people will see you through. )

    • Lux

      Love your work !!

  • Michelle

    at the local last night discussing names that parents should have thought about before naming their children
    William Phillip McCracken shortened to Willy Phil McCracken
    when the person said that a lady across the table thought about it for a few seconds and then it clicked and her reaction was priceless
    from there it was a whole heap of names or initials of names that had us all in stitches

    • Iva b ginn

      Yep!! In a moment of excitement they decide on a name for their baby. A school mate had one of those names. Wayne’s sir name was Kerr. naph said.

      • Michelle

        yes that one came up as well, seems like there may be more than one

        someone had the idea that a third person should oversee some of these naming decisions
        l can’t remember the other ones sadly

      • Dave

        An Auckland lad?. I worked with a guy of the same name, in the mid 80’s, he would be around 60 now.

        • Iva b ginn

          Its amazing how common some names are. My son was going to work one morning when a cop pulled him up and told him that his bike rego had been suspended because of an unpaid fine, he was able to convince the officer that it wasn’t him that had been find. It took two hours to sort it out . It turns out that there are 14 people in Perth the the same name and 6 of those had his middle name as well.

    • Old Chook

      Peter Knight was a great guy I knew in my younger days. Pee to night – before you go to bed. Also knew a Wayne King and Ida Munster when at school.

      • Cadwallader

        “Iona Vibrator” was a creation of the late John Gadsby.

    • Dave

      A thousand kids at the high school I attended and unbelievably, a friend had the surname Hiscock, and a girl had the surname Hercock. They were even in the same class for a semester.

      Then many years later two senior managers, one with the name Woodcock, that had many nicknames, and a manager I reported to as Bates, his son was of course Master Bates,

  • Iva b ginn

    I have just been reading through a transcript from the German Paper that first released the panama papers. From what I’ve read it seems to me that John doe is one serious deluded soul on a mission. Even Wiki-leaks wasn’t interested in publishing the papers, as for New Zealands involvement was only a passing comment and it just shows how out of date he is when he tries to include the Cook Islands. as they say it’s a Storm in a tea cup and should stay there.

    • Lux

      Hmm sounds familiar ..

    • XCIA

      If the idiot was serious about righting wrongs and delivering the oppressed, he would have started with the Cayman’s.

      • Lux

        We all know why he has no interest in anyone except NZ…

        • Left Right Out

          Guten Tag

          • Lux

            One last hurrah ..

    • Michelle

      yes the more you read and hear the more you can see the MO of a couple of a couple of locals with vendettas

    • Left Right Out

      Don’t kill off the belief the reds and greens have finally found a smoking gun… for 8yrs they have tried to find it…. but all for naught.

    • MaryLou

      Here’s an interesting article, questioning (again) the data that is NOT there, rather than being surprised about what IS there. Selective publishing – again???

      http://www.dw.com/en/panama-papers-scandal-or-just-hot-air/a-19172259

  • hookerphil

    Those Highlanders are going well so far 13-3 at halftime. As part of the 18% who have them, go the Landers.

    • Curly1952

      I said to a mate today I reckon the chiefs ate a little bit off but still took them. This McKenzie dude good footballer but how many times had he been fun over top of in a onion one situation? Answer -heaps, and not something the AB selectors would’ve missed. First five is the only position he may be able to “hide”but what will the opposition do then? Hmm.

  • Greg M

    Some random impertinent thoughts re the Panama papers sideshow.
    1: Mossack Fonseca was illegally hacked, not a leak, not a whistleblower.
    2: The paymaster is almost certainly a european citizen, but also likely not living there, likely German given the advantage that was given to Süddeutsche Zeitung over other media outlets.
    3: Mossack Fonseca is a worldwide company, it even has an office here in little old NZ, which means the hack could have happened anywhere in the world. It’s a whole lot easier for the hacker, the paymaster and the intermediaries to be close so what is discovered can be discussed and assimilated.
    4: “John Doe” appears to have a better knowledge of NZ politics than a lot of kiwis, a lot of European political tragics wouldn’t even know the name of our PM.
    5. The whole modus operandi is boringly familiar.

    Am I joining the dots or do I just need to loosen the tinfoil ?

    • Lux

      The dots are all joined and lead a familiar pattern..

    • Left Right Out

      Until tonight, I had no idea the Cook Islands used our currency

      • Greg M

        My old tugboat was registered in Avatiu, Cook islands. Wondering if my company is one of the 240,000.

        • Dave

          You may be outed by the conspiracy churnalists on Tuesday Greg, and by assiciation it’s John Keys fault, as you comment on WO and the text message link, it has to be a direct link. A Tax free Tug, in the Cook Islands.

          • Greg M

            It gets worse Dave, I employed a Philippino chief engineer, so that puts me into the slave labour third world death ship owner suspects as well.

          • Dave

            Good grief, did the chef work for Air NZ and sell parts on the side, had he imported any bits from America, and do you have any parts stored somewhere, the media will have a field day now.

      • Curly1952

        You, me and probably 99% of NZers

    • Sally

      My thoughts. The NZ connection is more a fanciful wet dream of the left. They are so desperate to attack Key that any link is tenuous at the best. All they have to go on is Key is rich, worked in the corporate world, is mates with a lot of high powered world leaders. So it is all perception.
      Hager is one of the journalist involved and probably involved in trying to bring Key’s name into it.
      Out of the 240,000 names to be released there are 364 with NZ connections. One of them is bound to be mates with Key. What the opposition aren’t saying is some of these people would have done nothing wrong but will be hounded by the media for no reason but being guilty by association. The same charges that Key will face.

      • Nechtan

        0.15%. Clearly NZ is the Mordor of this earth and John Key is Sauron.
        At least that is the way the left and the MSM will spin it.

        • Sally

          .15% of the evil 1% that the socialists want to bring down.

      • Wheninrome

        If you can hack you could certainly add in some false information, why does joe public wish to believe implicitly these dishonest indivuals who “steal”. Dishonest in one direction makes you highly suspect in another.

        • Lux

          Exactly ..

    • Jude

      I hope if some are defamed in this ” free for all” gerrymandering, the appropriate legal action is taken.
      I think good people are being defamed at will and it is very irritating . They did the same to Cameron and the list is growing.
      Enough !!

      • Greg M

        Yes enough. Imagine if law enforcement around the world broke the law willy nilly in “the interest of public good”.imagine the hoo hah.
        And yet criminal hackers and their fourth estate collaborators and enablers seem to get a free pass. It’s got to stop.

        • Jude

          Agree , the hacking and sale of information is a crime but we do not seem to have legislation to cope with it! As someone else pointed out , hacked information can be doctored! A attempt to brain wash is going on ?

        • Left Right Out

          And thats just the thing…. they want to stop the GCSB from gathering information that could thwart serious crimes etc… you would think that doing so would be in the publics interest….. yet, hacking and stealing info, on “other” people they perhaps don’t like…. is fine

    • Dave

      And it appears the media are informed, the Labour Party primed and ready and Hager seems busy hmmmmm

    • Cadwallader

      Let’s mull over this a little further:
      1 Does the “John Doe” actually exist or is the info which is apparently to be disclosed just someone locally digging around in the hacked papers? This would reflect the modus the last time Hager bored us all into a coma.
      2 The gap between what may or may or may not be in the papers and the NZ government is crucial. (My gut reaction is that it will be very wide indeed!)
      3 Whatever is in the papers will need to be massaged to fit the orchestrated nonsense which Labour/Hager etc will spout given they have a specific target: JK.
      4 If the allegations (if they deserve such a serious label) are to be levelled at the government (read:JK) surely it is Bill English’s task to address and refute them given he is the Minister of Finance and JK ought stay away from the topic.
      5 Having re-read Greg M above especially #4 I am confident that the John Doe is non-existent other than as a plant engineered here in NZ. Greg M’s dots are beautifully joined I suspect.
      6 What is in this for Winston?
      “What a wicked web we weave, when first we practise to deceive.”

      • Miss Phit

        I did wonder if (given Hagar has had access for months) if it was a Hagar hack job and it will all be “edited for effect” and those he wants in his back pocket for later will be “excluded”. Could always be a conspiracy between Hagar and his former paymaster and the pet hacker. Could be wrong but I’m guessing given the lack of penetration into the Nats favourability there are some desperate people out there trying to find anything to stick.

        Does seem a little early to be starting an attack given the elction is a year off, but we could have this crap floating around for months I guess poluting the political sphere. Of course the old saying “keep your powder dry” comes to mind, so maybe this is just desparate tactics from some on the left and not a full on assault.

        Maybe this is the start of a year long assault….. god help us.

    • sheppy

      That’s very close to what I’ve been thinking since the whole farce arrived. It seems everyone is briefed and ready for “the moment of truth” V2, no doubt a suitable slogan will be rolled out soon, similar to “vote positive”

  • warriors. not worriers. sigh. why do I see that like half a day late?

    • hookerphil

      Worriers, like those little dog ankle biters , a warrior is a proud and noble person, unless playing at Mt Smart.

      • Dave

        I’m aware of a few “once were Warriors”

  • Lux

    An unrestrained Donald Trump called Hillary Clinton an “unbelievably nasty, mean enabler” who “destroyed” the lives of her husband’s mistresses during a rally in Oregon on Friday night.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-slams-hillary-clinton-nasty-mean-enabler-husband-s-affairs-n569791?cid=sm_fb

    • hookerphil

      Go Mr Trump. Going to find Bill Clinton an easy way to attack her.

      • Lux

        It’s going to get really down and dirty now ..

        edit to add ….. Dirtier!!!!!!!

    • dumbshit

      Clintons mob will have “back actors” (diggers) on the job, searching for “dirt” on trump!

  • Lux

    No way hose .. his life is full of love and roses ..

  • Lux

    If you could go back in time, to sort out a problem or something that has bothered you for years, would you?

    If able tell so.

    • Greg M

      I would phone my brother on Friday evening, like I forgot to do, a few days before he took his own life. it may have changed a whole lot of peoples destiny.

    • It’s not a conversation I’m willing to have in public

    • Justme

      The older I get, the more it bugs me, in that whilst at school in my years as an insecure boy, I was told someone was interested in me. My comments were overheard by that person. What I meant to say, and what I said, and what was interpreted made, for an unhappy other person.
      I wish I was more polite in how I said, I was not worth their time.

    • XCIA

      I would take my brothers advice and spend everything I had buying UK, Scottish and Irish bank shares when they crashed to about 10p.

    • Lux

      In my early twenties, I had a boyfriend and we broke up as you do ..anyway we were still really good friends. I had a job 9-6 and then worked in a nightclub, Thursday till Saturday, and we finished about 2-4 am depending on the punters, and then it was out to somewhere else or back to my place in Ponsonby, very local, where we would all carry on.

      Anyway my ex turned up about 5am, and he gave me a kitten, it was unexpected.. and I took some lovely photos of him playing with the kitten in the early morning sun..

      A few days later, I was told he had died, and after hearing all the details, he had killed himself. It was tragic.
      Then I heard how he had done it, and it was so sad, he really wanted to destroy the people who loved him. I will not go into details, but I have never heard anyone else do such terrible things, not just to you family but friends, and workmates.

      His family were destroyed, I could not go to the funeral, as I hate them, and I was so angry with him..

      Now thinking back, I want his parents to have the maybe the last photos of him ..

      • Dave

        The unfortunate thing is we can’t go back if others have moved on and won’t accept contact, or have departed. Reading your comment I realise I have been somewhat sheltered. A friend committed suicide when we were in our late twenties, but he moved away, lost touch and was un-communicative. We think it was intentional on his part, sell everything off he owned use the funds and then end it all. No one knew there was an issue, he was just living a quiet life.

        It never gets easier, and often there is no major answers, just more questions and “I wonder if”

        You have made me really think tonight Lux, a few regrets yes, nothing really major though. Ps. The kitten, it means a lot.

        • Lux

          Thanks Dave I have never really talked about it before, outside my family. It has always weighed on me ..

          • Dave

            It shouldn’t weigh on you Lux, the last time you spent together sounds so nice, and the Kitten. love to discuss more, but too difficult to check things are acceptable, so thoughts with you, but that kitten means a lot.

            I once sent an ex GF a wilted black rose, she had no idea who it came from as I sent it to her a fair while after we broke up. I thought it fitting for her personality.

      • Mrs_R

        I think his family would love a copy of those photos. A friend of mine died today after losing her battle with cancer so I’m feeling somewhat sad. I can only imagine the grief a parent would feel losing a son.

        • Lux

          I’m so sorry for your loss.

          I’m going to search out his parents.. It was too raw at the time.

          • Huia

            They will welcome the contact Lux, it means a lot to parents to know who touched their sons life and who has a place in their heart for him.

          • Mrs_R

            I read your other post but it seems to be gone now. It was beautiful. I’m so sorry your family has known such pain.

        • Lux

          Lots of love to you .. ♥

          • Mrs_R

            Thank you. She once gave me some marriage advice. Each New Years her husband and her would make one request from each other and it was to last the whole year. It was a great way to address an annoying behavior or to introduce some change. I thought this was a great idea. I asked my husband if he could remember to kiss me goodbye every morning. Even though it’s been years since I asked that he still does it :) Tomorrow.when he does it I will think of her. She was a wonderful wife and mother, and Mother’s Day will be dreadful tomorrow for her boys

          • Lux

            Happy Mothers Day to you ♥

          • Greg M

            Yes. it just doesn’t go away. The big hole is there everyday, and it’s the 7th anniversary a few days away. My only sibling.

          • Lux

            Tons of love to you ♥

          • Lux

            My parents called each other Love, and darling and kissed each other goodbye everyday, and also all of my siblings .. I thought it was the normal thing to do .. Until ….

            We were very lucky ..

        • Huia

          It is devastating Mrs R, truly devastating and I talk from experience, it leaves a hole inside your heart that will be there forever.
          There are things I will always wish I had said to my beloved young man, there will always be things I wish I had done, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
          I miss him every single day.
          It was the anniversary of his death last week, Mr Hui and I took a boat trip and I saw my dear old man slip something into the water behind the boat. Turned out he had written a letter to our son telling him how very much we love and miss him and had posted it into the water in the hope it would somehow be seen by our son. (his ashes were spread over the sea).

    • Nebman

      Listened and believed my friend’s who told me I was being led up the garden path by an ex as she carried on with my best friend.

      I could have and should have walked away.

      • Old Chook

        There is none so blind, as he/she who will not see. Been there, done that both on the ‘receiving’ end and the ‘telling’ end. Wear glasses now!

        • Nebman

          It was love or so I told myself.. but as you pointed out above, changing the past invariably means changing the present.

          Which would mean I’d be two daughters less but $35K better off courtesy of no legal bills.

          Actually after all that is said and done, it is my best friend I miss the most. Sadly she played the both of us.

        • Lux

          me too .. ohh god the stories i could tell ..

          • Old Chook

            Yep Lux – but would you be believed!

    • Curly1952

      I believe we all have a number of things that if we could do again we would do or act differently. I have a few, but I have learnt that, hey. Unless I did something that damaged someone everything else is just someone’s feelings and unfortunately most of us can tally up, after an event but very few can do so before. Just treat everyone you meet as you would expect to be treated and you can look your self in the mirror and say ” I did my best “!!

      • Lux

        Guilt weighs heavy on you ..

        • Curly1952

          Nah. I have saidafew things that, in the cold light of day I shouldn’t have however have moved on but people have said things to me that I have thought where did that come from. Luxury, I am a realist and realise that life is what you make of it not what others make of it.

          • Lux

            I totally agree..

            We all stuff up, no-one is perfect, and how boring would that be ..

          • Curly1952

            Trouble is Lux, me and all my family are perfect in my view. My best mate and I both believe that to be true of our respective families, and if we are challenged we will go to the ends of the world to prove otherwise. We hold family above all!!

    • Old Chook

      Have a few ‘problems’ from my past that I often wonder ‘what if’ I had reacted differently. Problem is – even if I had reacted differently and my life had taken an alternative route, no doubt, unforeseen ‘problems’ would have arisen. That my friend, is what we call life.

      • Lux

        I totally agree.. But sometimes, a small but, it is interesting to take a walk in your memories and think about things..

        • Cadwallader

          Lux: Here is a story and a puzzle about my life; My current wife and I were boyfriend/girlfriend in the early 1970s when I was 19 and she was 18. At some prompting from her family she took off overseas and broke my heart for doing so. I went to university as a consequence and married another but didn’t really ever get over her. Unbeknownst to me she married a Brit and settled in Australia. My marriage produced two sons while hers produced two daughters. My marriage amicably ended and I enjoyed being solo in my early 40s until one day when visiting my home town I encountered my still married ex girlfriend replete with her husband and two daughters who were also visiting. What happened next? All guesses welcomed but the answer will need to wait until tomorrow night to add some sorely needed suspense.

          • Old Chook

            As she is now your current wife, ‘what happened next’ has a myriad of scenarios, but we know the outcome – I think!

          • Cadwallader

            You Old Chook and the others will have to wait but I need to tell you that Hollywood is not my hometown.

          • Lux

            Not . .. Yet ………….

          • Huia

            Now I wont be able to sleep, I will be working out all kinds of scenario’s.

          • Lux

            Darling . come unleash the beast ..

          • KGB

            She looked across the room, and gasped at the sight of her 1st love. Rushed into his arms fleeing the mistakes of her past.
            Unshackled from her life of compromise at last.
            Until …

          • Lux

            He entered the room .. and she whispered to her darling, unleash me now.. Mother is going to notice, I’m a little bit tied up ..

          • Dave

            Do I sense a mills and boon author in the making ? Awesome story so far Cadawallader

          • Cadwallader

            Wait’ll you see the movie!

          • KGB

            There better be Cowboys ?

          • Old Chook

            Is that a gun in your pocket….. (Mae West)

          • Lux

            Yeahh hHahhhHHHHHHHHHHH

    • Moonroof

      I couldn’t do anything except wear the fallout when a close friend jumped off Grafton Bridge. Spoke with him the the morning previous. We disagreed about his business matters, I couldn’t help with that, but I was still there as a friend. He made his choice, I don’t know if I could have changed it. Never will now.

      • Lux

        I used to force myself to walk over the K Rd bridge every day, and be So forced to the side.. I then would walk in the middle of the road .. it had nothing to do with killing myself.

        It was all to do with height of the bridge.

    • Odd Ball

      Apart from trusting an idiot of a dentist a few years back, I wouldn’t change a thing.

  • Lux

    Ok, who is still awake… a quick poll .. who will win the American Election..

    Trump or Clinton ?

    • Trump

    • Lux

      Trump

    • Greg M

      Boaty Mc Boatface ?

    • Cadwallader

      Trump.

    • jonno1

      Trump.

    • Gaynor

      Trump…Last night my husband asked why I didn’t like Hilary ..I played him small part of a link I found here …He now sees what I see a bit better.

    • KGB

      Trump. Too many skeletons in the Clinton cupboard.

      • Curly1952

        Trump should. Clinton will.

        • KGB

          Do you think they’ll indite her?
          Seems all lot of talk and very slow action.

    • Platinum Fox

      Trump

    • Sally

      Trump

    • XCIA

      I do not see Trump in the White House. He will step on too many toes that have too many interests that need the status quo.

    • sheppy

      I’ll go out on a limb and say Trump, too many people seem fed up with the status quo, and the Media Party will facilitate it by moaning too loudly about him

    • Old Chook

      Sad that the supposedly greatest nation on earth can only offer Trump or Clinton. Glad I am not voting – at least Key or Angry makes for an easy tick!

    • Jude

      I think Clinton . It is a close run thing. Experience in the Presidency , may help her across the line.
      Trump is an astute business man but as President there are skills involving people he just does not have.
      Our own John Key has those skills and yes I know they will be sorely tested over the next week or two.

    • Nebman

      Clinton in the wake of Trump finally (he says while acknowledging it’s same mistake everyone else has made) says or does something so odious he becomes un-electable.

      Regardless of whatever happens, he has turned their political establishment upside down which it has long needed. It would be somewhat ironic if Trump was elected but the Democrats regained control of Congress. Payback would be interesting if nothing else.

      • Lux

        I have to admit.. American politics is difficult for a newbie like myself to understand.

        • Nebman

          I confess my understanding of it is limited too – my layman’s summary (and any experts out there feel free to correct me please), is that POTUS is in practical terms a Chairman of the Board that is directly elected by the people.

          The board (Congress) is made up two committees (House of Representatives and the Senate). Control of both of these committees is the holy grail in American Politics but I understand it does not happen often. Both of these are also elected by the people but just for laughs it appears to be on a different cycle to the POTUS elections and not always all of them at the same time, hence why Obama has had such a difficult time of it as he’s had neither for some time.

          As Chairman of the board, he basically has some executive powers available to him which is what he’s been using for the last term.

          I’m probably wrong on a few things however!!

          • Lux

            Thank you for that ..

            I find NZ politics so simple and clear cut, Now ..thank goodness.

          • Nebman

            There is a certain simplicity in our version that has a lot of appeal. The only thing I do find myself wondering is if we are mature enough to have a rational discussion about the length of the term. Should it be longer and if so, how much longer?

            Given the maelstrom that the flag debate became, I suspect not. To my mind, the real damage Labour did when they went full retard over their own policy was to isolate and malign rational debate. We may all come to regret opening that particular Pandora’s box in years to come.

    • KiwiLliz

      Trump

    • HunuaRanger

      I’d say Clinton, purely based on how the US Electoral College has voted over the last several years with Obama and due to the fact that Trump isn’t a politician but rather a sideshow which is veering the centrist Republicans towards Clinton.

    • dumbshit

      Trump, I hope. Clinton is one very devious woman!

    • Crowgirl

      Husband has called Trump, I think probably Clinton

    • Damocles

      kind of reminds me of the way Muldoon operated many years ago, he won hands down using the same style that Trump has adopted

  • Gaynor

    If he is he is joining the same dots I am. Didn’t work last time won’t work this time.

  • Moonroof

    It’s late. Another track from Lou for a wrap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYnro6MHTQ0

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